Hanging Left episode 2

Matt Connarton

6/2/2025

w/Matt Connarton and Todd Ayer

Transcript

00:00:00Hey, everybody. Welcome to episode two of Hanging Left. My name is Matt Connerton. And of course,

00:00:09Todd Ayer, my partner in crime in this venture joining us. Hello, Todd.

00:00:13Hey, how are you doing today, Matt?

00:00:15Good, good. Do we need to come up with some kind of a thing? I think you had suggested initially

00:00:20when we were talking about the name of the show, should I ask you, like, hey, Todd, how's it

00:00:25hanging? I mean, I'd be open to that. Sure. Can we do that in the future? Maybe next episode

00:00:32we'll do that. We can consider something like that. I was just thinking about that. Let's

00:00:36practice it right now live in front of everyone. You ready? Okay, here we go. Okay, sure. Hey,

00:00:40Todd, how's it hanging? You know, hanging to the left, as always, my friend. You know,

00:00:45only way to hang. And then you ask me. Matt, how are you hanging? How's it hanging for you

00:00:50today? That's hanging left. All right. Only way to go, my friend. I think that's pretty

00:00:57smooth. I think we should do that in the future. Okay. We're going to get smoother than that,

00:01:01though. I feel like that was a little choppy. For those of you who are watching the live stream,

00:01:08we are doing this live. We're streaming this on, oh my God, it's June 1st. First day of June. It is.

00:01:14The first day of, let's see if I can say it. The first day of, oh, how do they say it?

00:01:23It's the first day of summer, but if you're, the first day of meteorological summer. I said it,

00:01:29meteorological. Meteorological. But you know what else, though? It's the first day of,

00:01:33it's the first day of Pride Month. Yes. Pride Month. I see the shirt. By the way, Todd,

00:01:38I do have to tell you, as a straight, white, cisgendered male, I do feel very threatened by that.

00:01:43You do. No, I'm kidding. You know, well, it's always our agenda. That's the first thing when

00:01:49it says, like, what do we want to do on Pride? It's scare straight people. Didn't you know that?

00:01:54I thought it was to turn straight people gay. I thought that, I thought the idea here was to

00:01:59turn me gay. Right, right. It's actually to deport you all, to follow the MAGA rules. We're trying to

00:02:06deport as many straight men as possible. I think the whole idea, I think the whole point of this show

00:02:10is, the reason you came up with this, is you want to turn me gay and then deport me.

00:02:16And as a straight, white, cisgender, patriotic male, I feel very threatened by all of that.

00:02:19Well, one or the other. We'll give you a choice. Yes.

00:02:21You'll either become reconditioned into a gay man, or we're going to deport you. Yeah.

00:02:26If I had children, you would want to turn me gay, deport me, and make my children trans, correct?

00:02:33That's the whole point of Pride? Right, right. Through school nurses. We're going to use school

00:02:39nurses only, though. They're very skilled in this. Yes, yes. No, but in all seriousness,

00:02:45I've always considered myself an LGBTQ plus ally, and I absolutely support Pride Month. And

00:02:50I can tell you, so I am, I mean, the one thing I was serious about, I am a straight, white,

00:02:55cisgender male. Sorry, boys. What's that? Sorry, boys. He's gay. I mean, gay men do like me very much,

00:03:05but my friend, Dr. Kevin, who's gay, he asked me once, he said, Matt, you ever consider pitching

00:03:11an inning for the other team? I said, I'm sorry, Dr. Kevin, I can't do that. But I hope he doesn't

00:03:17mind that I told, no, he won't mind. He's very cool. Yeah. I've known Dr. Kevin forever. He's a lot

00:03:22of fun. But no, but I've always considered myself an ally. And the way I've always looked at it from

00:03:27my perspective is because sometimes people will say, well, Matt, why do you care? I mean,

00:03:31this isn't an issue that affects you. And I've always said, well, you know, what does affect

00:03:35me in a broader sense is I want to live in a country where everyone feels accepted and everyone

00:03:41has the same rights and no one feels bullied or excluded or anything like that. Everyone should be

00:03:49able to be free to be who they are without being threatened or discriminated against or anything.

00:03:56And that's important to me as an American, regardless of how I am or who I am. I want

00:04:04everyone to have those same rights and to be treated fairly. And that's important to me. So

00:04:09that's why it matters. That's one of the reasons it matters to me.

00:04:13And I definitely appreciate that. And Matt, you know, you, I don't know if you intended to do this,

00:04:17but you really segued very nicely into our topic. Um, and that is today we're going to sort of do a

00:04:24critique or, uh, slash analysis, um, and certainly an editorial because we tell it like we see it,

00:04:32um, of Trump's first 100 days. And, you know, I like to call Trump's first 100 days, the carpet

00:04:40bombing of American democracy. Okay. So that's kind of how I see it. Um,

00:04:47you know, I think that, um, one of the things he sought out to do, um, he, he did achieve,

00:04:55um, and that was to sort of remake at least temporarily the, the American, um, experiment

00:05:04and, and remake, um, and destabilize democracy. I don't, he hasn't dismantled it, but he certainly

00:05:11has destabilized it. And, um, the good news is I'm seeing a lot of pushback and a lot of fight.

00:05:18Um, it's unfortunate that we had to get to the point where it truly was on the line that everybody

00:05:23decided, wow, this is real, but it's happened and it's continuing to happen and it's picking

00:05:27up momentum. But before we get into any of that, why don't we kind of do a quick, um, you know,

00:05:33summary of all of the beautiful things that he would say that he's attempted to do to our,

00:05:38our, our country. I think that's a good idea. You know, it'll give us a chance to kind of offer

00:05:42our thoughts on each, uh, on each item, uh, of which there are many. Um, and also there might

00:05:48be some things, uh, on this list that a lot of people are not aware of, you know, everyone has,

00:05:53uh, their own, uh, sort of level of engagement in terms of which they're able to pay attention.

00:05:58I always, I always say which they're able to pay attention because I think sometimes,

00:06:02sometimes people are criticized for not paying attention at all. I just lost Todd. Uh, sometimes

00:06:09people are, are, uh, uh, I'll just finish this point and then I'm sure he'll be back in the,

00:06:14in the room. Uh, sometimes people are criticized for not paying attention at all, uh, being completely,

00:06:20uh, oblivious and disengaged from, uh, politics. And, um, I always say, well, you know, we do live

00:06:26in a country where, you know, some people are in a position where they just don't have time.

00:06:30Todd came back and then disappeared again. I'm not sure what happened. Uh, some people,

00:06:34um, are in a situation where they just don't have time. If you're, you know, say you're a single

00:06:38parent and you're working two jobs and maybe you're also taking classes to try to further

00:06:43your education, to get a better job and make more money. And you've just got your hands full.

00:06:47You know, some people are just too distracted and too overwhelmed to really be fully engaged and

00:06:52to pay attention. So, um, but, uh, but, but for people who, who do not know, who either do not pay

00:06:59attention, have not, I mean, if you're watching this show or listening to this show, I assume that

00:07:04you're interested and that you're paying attention to some degree or to some level, but not everyone

00:07:08has time to pay attention. Every little thing. I'm sure there are things on this list that, uh,

00:07:14that Todd has that I don't even know about. And, and I, I think I pay more attention, uh, than your,

00:07:20uh, your average, uh, voter, your average American does. Welcome back, Todd. You kind of left.

00:07:25Yeah. I was going to say one technical thing there. Sorry. I kind of missed some of the things

00:07:29that you said. What were you basically saying? You were kind of just kind of going over.

00:07:32Oh, I was, I was just saying that, you know, some people who are hearing us or watching us might not

00:07:37know about some of the things on this list. And I like to think that I pay more attention to these

00:07:42things than the average American does. And yet I'm sure that there are things on here that I don't

00:07:46even know about. So this will be very interesting and informative. I think.

00:07:49I'm sure to say on that one, Matt, I'm sure you've probably, cause we all have our focus areas,

00:07:54you know what I mean? And we all have the things that we are quote unquote experts on

00:07:58or, and, or, um, you know, we take a personal interest in and be honest. Why I chose the

00:08:04term carpet bombing of, of America is that he literally just like scattered it. He attacked

00:08:10everything all at once. Um, and I think, you know, he didn't do it with laser precision and

00:08:16he pretty much is just trying to see which bombs explode and how much damage, which bombs do

00:08:21in every facet of American society really.

00:08:25And also really testing, I think the limits of what bombs he can drop in terms of executive

00:08:31orders. Right. And really, and this, uh, this unprecedented show of executive power that

00:08:38we've, we've never seen more executive orders than any other president in history.

00:08:41Right. Um, typically, uh, a lot of Americans object to, uh, executive orders and object to

00:08:48such abuse of executive power. Although people tend to be pretty partisan with it. Usually Republicans

00:08:54get mad when a Democrat does it, but when, when their own president does it, they don't have a

00:08:59problem with it. And to be fair, the inverse does work as well. You know, Democrats get mad when a

00:09:05Republican president does it, but they don't have much to say when a democratic president does it.

00:09:09So, but, um, but we've never seen anything like this. No, no. Well, so that's his bomb of choice.

00:09:15We do at least know that we know his weapon of choice is the executive order. Yes. So, you know,

00:09:21um, Hey, at least in a way in, in forming our defense program here, we can figure out the best

00:09:27deterrent to the executive order. We should, we should mention too. Um, he's also tested the limits

00:09:35of, you know, we, we do have the, uh, separation of powers here in this country, the three branches

00:09:40of government, legislative, uh, judicial and executive. And, and, and, and this will come

00:09:46up, come up in the list obviously, but, um, there's been at least a couple of instances where

00:09:50he has simply chosen to, uh, in this case, the executive executive branch chosen to ignore

00:09:57the judicial branch where the judicial branches said, no, you can't do this. And the executive

00:10:02branch has said, screw you. Uh, we're doing it anyway. For example, refusing to bring

00:10:06back, uh, uh, uh, Abrego Garcia. I don't know if I'm saying it correctly, but I think you're

00:10:11saying it right. Yeah. But I, and I'm, I'm sure that's on the list. So, but, uh, I kind

00:10:16of did a more of a wider brushstroke, if you will, I get into the, to the details and you

00:10:22can certainly, maybe that's something you could obviously add to the conversation. That

00:10:26makes sense though. Cause if we got too into the details, this would be a, probably a six

00:10:29hour show. Oh yeah. Right. There's a lot, right. Right. A lot of meat on the bone. Yeah. Yeah.

00:10:34Right. We would be broadcasting on C-SPAN, my friend, we would just go on and on and on. And

00:10:39you know, I would, I would like turn pages on air. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I don't think people

00:10:47want to see that. I don't know. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that, you know,

00:10:52I'm guessing C-SPAN is probably not one of the top 10 watched, uh, you know, networks in the

00:10:57world, but you know, maybe not. Yeah, probably not. Probably not. Right. Right. Probably

00:11:03not. I think we're safe there. So, um, I think the first thing, you know, that I want to address

00:11:08in the beginning of that shock and awe happened day one. He, he chose to liberate the, um, you

00:11:16know, the Jan six hostages as he calls them and including the ones that, um, caused, um, you

00:11:26know, physical and, and emotional harm to our, uh, police officers and other members

00:11:32of law enforcement and government officials and pardon literally all of them and, um,

00:11:39say, take them out of their incarceration and just let them run amok.

00:11:44Yeah. Um, it's, uh, I'm not surprised that he did that. He said he was going to do it.

00:11:49He's doing what he, what he said he was going to do. Um, and obviously if you're MAGA, you

00:11:55know, you, you support the, uh, I mean, I think most MAGA people see them, see the, the Jan

00:12:00six, uh, people as patriots. Uh, personally, I see them as domestic terrorists. Oh yeah,

00:12:05absolutely. Um, some people think some people who would fundamentally agree, think that's a

00:12:09little bit strong. I don't, I think they're domestic terrorists. And I mean, isn't that the

00:12:14definition of terrorism acts of violence and intimidation in order to achieve political

00:12:21gains? Oh yeah. I remember after Jan six happened when we were still doing politics on my radio

00:12:26show. Um, I noticed too, that if I were speaking, you know, I would speak with these callers who

00:12:32were very, very pro police. But if you mentioned, say you mentioned officer Sicknick, uh, for example,

00:12:39from January six, the, the, you know, the attitude immediately changes and it goes from,

00:12:45yeah, yeah. The police, we love the police too. Oh yeah. That guy, you know, and, and it's,

00:12:50it's easy to figure out what it is. It's because they see MAGA sees the January six police as traitors.

00:12:57I'm saying the, the quiet part out loud here, but this is what it really is, right? They support

00:13:02the police generally, but they see, uh, but they see the, they, they see the Capitol police

00:13:08as traitors because they don't think in the perfect MAGA world, the Capitol police would

00:13:14have taken off their badges and helped the, uh, these domestic terrorists overthrow the government

00:13:19that day. And they didn't do that. Well, but what the, right. I mean, actually what the Capitol

00:13:23police, I think probably should have done according to MAGA is, um, you know, maybe there would

00:13:30even be need of a riot because they would have gone in and, um, locked up Nancy Pelosi and all those

00:13:35people, you know, in their, their riot gear, full riot gear, and just drag them into the streets

00:13:40and chains. And then, you know, for all we know, maybe publicly executed them. Who knows?

00:13:45These are not rational people. That would be the MAGA fantasy. Absolutely. Absolutely. So,

00:13:52you know, storming the best steel is probably how they saw the Capitol. I don't know.

00:13:56Yeah. Yeah. They, they, they, but they, yeah, they saw it as an act of pay. Well, I mean,

00:14:01some of them at the time didn't, but they changed their minds, you know, herd mentality,

00:14:05they all fall in line. It's also a mob mentality. I think at the end of the day, I mean, some of

00:14:10these people, I think the key, we keep on saying they thought, they thought, I don't even know if

00:14:14all of them thought, I think some of them literally are just so emotional. And at this point brainwashed

00:14:19that, um, you know, they're trying to save this, um, I would call it anti-idealistic America where,

00:14:28um, you know, white, um, extreme Christianity rules. And these, these guys are the MAGA crusaders

00:14:36and they are trying to, um, you know, uh, cleanse America and make America great again,

00:14:43as they would say, and make it in the, in the, you know, what they deem is what is great.

00:14:48And in the process, pretty much remove almost anything and everything that, um, ironically,

00:14:54the constitution wanted protected. Yeah, I know, but they don't, they don't get it.

00:15:00No, that's, that's, that's a nice way to put it. They don't get it.

00:15:03So, so that was day one, right? That, that was, that was day one.

00:15:06That was day one. Welcome to Trump second administration.

00:15:11Yep. Or as I like to call it the Trump regime, because I don't like to acknowledge him as a

00:15:15legitimate, um, leader. I see him more as someone that kind of hijacks. I see him himself,

00:15:21honestly, in many ways as a, um, very much the, the, I call him the MAGA mob. Um, I also see him

00:15:30as a wannabe dictator, although I don't think he has the level of articulation and intelligence that

00:15:36it takes to be an effective dictator, but I think he wants to be one. Um, and, and kind of Matt to go

00:15:42on what you were saying about, uh, the abuse of police power, boy, we've really seen that when it

00:15:47comes to the ice crackdowns on immigrants. Um, you know, I haven't seen this level of police force

00:15:56and, and in some ways paramilitary police force, um, since the post nine 11, when they, they got the

00:16:05cities all, you know, very much fortified and all of that. And even then these men were very, I mean,

00:16:09even though these guys were carrying him sixties and you know, whatever you really did feel safe.

00:16:14And that was the point they were there to protect us, but I'll tell you with these guys on the

00:16:18street right now, I feel anything but safe. Oh, agreed. I, yeah. I don't recall ever seeing

00:16:25anything like this in my lifetime. Absolutely not. No, no. It's certainly not what, you know,

00:16:32certainly not the whole, um, separation of the, of the military and never putting the military up

00:16:38against the people. Although I guess technically ice is not military, but again, paramilitary,

00:16:42and they're certainly using military militaristic tactics. Um, almost though, like, like, I don't

00:16:51know, it's a combination of militaristic tactics with thug tactics. I mean, you know, pulling people

00:16:56out of their cars through smashed windows and refusing to identify themselves and wearing riot masks and

00:17:04all of this. I mean, this is just chaos. Yeah. It's, uh, it's, it's disturbing. It's not the

00:17:11America that I grew up in. It isn't, it isn't. And I don't think it's the America we want. I mean,

00:17:15honestly, Republican, Democrat, independent, unless you're that small 20% that really has just chose

00:17:22to, um, you know, bathe in the MAGA Kool-Aid, this is not the America you want.

00:17:31Yeah. I mean, I think most MAGA people want this as long as I know, but I'm saying other than MAGA.

00:17:35Oh, other than MAGA. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Americans don't want this. America's,

00:17:39I would, I would say MAGA's aren't Americans. I would say, I don't know what they want, but

00:17:43you know, this is not America. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. I, like I said, it's not,

00:17:49it's not the country I grew up in. No, no, it's not the country I want to stay living in either.

00:17:54I feel like we got to change things and change it quickly. Um, so getting onto all of this thing too,

00:18:02I think the other thing he is doing as far as like abuse of, um, you know, legal powers and

00:18:08things of that nature is his attempts to weaponize the judicial system and attack his political

00:18:16opponents, attack really anyone that chooses to question him. And, um, you know, in some cases try

00:18:23to, uh, I don't know if he's gone so far as to try to incarcerate them. He certainly launched,

00:18:28um, you know, libel attacks and, um, you know, reputational attacks as well as try to control

00:18:38them financially by going after big law and, and canceling their contracts. If they don't

00:18:44basically either, um, legislate the way he wants them to legislate, or even if they happen to have

00:18:50people on their staff that were doing their job as attorneys and doing, you know, everybody has the

00:18:56right to due process, but not in Trump's America, evidently. Um, evidently you have due process as

00:19:02long as your process is in his direction. Yeah. Um, and again, I don't recall ever seeing anything

00:19:13on this level ever, ever, ever. Um, and you know, and he, and he has a Republican party that's, I mean,

00:19:20you know, there's no one to push back, you know, Congress falls in line, everybody falls in line.

00:19:26Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's the most do nothing Republican party. If they even have a

00:19:31party anymore that I've ever seen in my life. And to be quite honest, the days of, and I'm not a huge

00:19:35fan of Reagan or Bush, but honestly, Reagan certainly is turning over in his grave. And, um,

00:19:43and Bush, there's a reason why Bush has not come out and been a pro. As a matter of fact,

00:19:46most of the things he said have not been very pro Trump. I mean, I, I, I find it very much

00:19:53challenging, but we'll get to that. I think that's another episode, but just in general,

00:19:57I guess I will say briefly, I, you know, if I were a Republican, honestly, I'd be more embarrassed

00:20:04than myself as a progressive, um, feel because to me, it's like, that's their party. And so I don't

00:20:11know about you, but if like a progressive were behaving this way, I'd be one of the first people to be

00:20:15like, get this person out of office. They're damaging the brand. They're hurting my name.

00:20:20They're making a mockery of what I stand for. So why the Republican party isn't doing more of this?

00:20:25I can't fathom. Yeah. There's just, it's, it's cowardice. It's, um, yeah, they all fall in line.

00:20:32I mean, is it, because if you step out of line, uh, I mean, this is how, this is how asinine and

00:20:37juvenile it's become. And it's been this way for, for years, not, not, it started with the first

00:20:42administration. The second you step out of line, uh, Trump, uh, assigns you an insulting nickname

00:20:47and your political career is over, but that's not even, that's not even hyperbole. What I just said,

00:20:54right. Right. Literally how it works. It's, it's true. True. Yeah. But how, how mature are these

00:21:00people that a political nickname by a man that clearly is a, um, a madman maniac and wants to be a

00:21:08king is enough to damage you. I mean, power really is, uh, only as, as effective as, as the perception

00:21:16of that power. And so a lot of this power, they're, they're seceding to them by choice. They're choosing

00:21:22to give up. It's ridiculous. They don't, this man does not have to have this level of power.

00:21:26No, but it would take, it would take a, a, a large swath of Republicans to, to want to stand up to him

00:21:34all at once. And they just, they just won't. Yeah. We'll explore that. I guess the, the,

00:21:40the lame duck Congress will be another topic, I guess. Um, so yeah. So I think that that's certainly

00:21:45one of the things, um, and then getting on the whole idea of, you know, um, well, I mean, why not

00:21:53basically go after the bill of rights? Right. So, you know, he's attacking the judicial system

00:21:57and let's go on to education. So of course, the first thing you do as a president is you suggest,

00:22:03let's, let's dismantle the department of education because they have no value. I mean,

00:22:06what, what would they do? Um, that's a Republican talking point anyway. I mean, Republicans have

00:22:12all, that's something that's been consistent. That's something that predates Trump. I mean,

00:22:19uh, Republicans have always wanted to, but I mean, I think it's gotten worse over the years,

00:22:24but it definitely predates Trump, this sort of anti-education. I mean, they just want, you know,

00:22:28they hate public education. They hate private education that benefits from the government in

00:22:34any way. They hate Pell grants. They, they, they hate all of it. They want everyone to be homeschooled

00:22:40and, and, uh, not learn about science. And, uh, you know, there's a broader attitude against

00:22:47education, but Trump of course has ratcheted it up to a new level with his very direct attack on these

00:22:52private institutions. I mean, is that true though? I mean, really at one point I feel like, um, to me,

00:22:59most Republicans I knew really, if you really stripped it down, we're like maybe a little bit

00:23:05more war hawks when it came to like diplomacy and military and, you know, maybe they were a little

00:23:11bit more conservative socially, but any of the Republicans, at least the ones that tended to gain

00:23:17power, um, seem like they were willing to, uh, be open to compromise and maybe they themselves ran

00:23:28conservative socially, but they didn't usually super enforce those types of things. And as the kind

00:23:34of world kind of moved in a more socially progressive direction, they were willing to, um, maybe not

00:23:41practice it in their own lives, but certainly allow it to coexist. And so, um, I appreciate what

00:23:49you said, but I think that I, that's why I always separate MAGA versus Republican. I would argue that

00:23:54the real Republicans actually, it's not even really to me as I understand it within their doctrine,

00:23:59but again, maybe this is, I probably, I apologize. This is going off topic. We can dissect the Republican

00:24:04party on another episode. Um, but yeah, I just wanted to mention the whole dismantling and you

00:24:11said it proper of the department of education. And then the other thing is going after higher ed,

00:24:17which, you know, he's had some wins and he's had some, uh, misses for sure on that one. Um,

00:24:23you want to go into that deeper or. Yeah. I mean, that's something that is also something

00:24:28unprecedented. I don't remember anything like this happening before in my lifetime. And again,

00:24:32there's always, you know, everything Trump does, there's nothing new about any of it in terms of,

00:24:39uh, his targets. It's just being willing to actually take action against them. That is new

00:24:46because again, Republicans for as long as I can remember, have always complained about these higher

00:24:52education institutions because, um, you know, they, they complain, they say that they indoctrinate,

00:24:59you know, you'll, you'll hear, especially like boomers complain about, um, you know,

00:25:03their, their children being indoctrinated into being, uh, liberals because they went to these

00:25:08quote unquote liberal institutions. And, um, and so now they, they, they come out more liberal.

00:25:13And of course, you know, there's plenty of statistics that show that, um, more educated

00:25:18people tend to be more liberal, less educated, tend to be more conservative and so forth. So,

00:25:23so again, it's, it's an, the attitudes about higher education, I think have always been there.

00:25:29Um, but again, I would agree to some, yeah, I would agree to some extent, although, you know,

00:25:35I do think that for a long time, I mean, we really were moving in the direction where like

00:25:40the absolute, like, um, you know, non-bending people were starting to be seen as like maniacs,

00:25:49like, you know, people were, you know, um, people had gotten, I mean, the general public,

00:25:56if we judge everything by the middle and we judge everything by the centrists,

00:26:01if that's primarily supposedly what most Americans are, although it doesn't seem like that right now,

00:26:06but if that's theoretically what we're supposed to be, then I would say that most centrists,

00:26:11it's really like, you know, almost more of a nimby attitude, like not in my backyard or whatever,

00:26:17but at the end of the day, like they don't really tend to interfere with things that don't affect

00:26:22them directly. So like maybe a, like a school, like I went to like American university might be

00:26:29too left-leaning and radical for them to send their kids to, but it doesn't mean that, um, they want to

00:26:35dismantle the colleges. They just kind of want to keep people like myself away from them. And it's more

00:26:42of like a separate, but equal kind of mentality. And Trump has said to what Trump, I think really did

00:26:49was purposely open Pandora's box and take the most radical of the radical and, um, basically weaponize

00:26:58those people and give those, these people that otherwise would have almost like been seen as the

00:27:03people sitting at the back of the bus, talking to themselves about just delusional, um, conspiracy

00:27:09theories and give them power. Yeah. Excuse me. My allergies. No worries. It's out there. It's out

00:27:19there. Oh, it sure is. But, uh, no, I think you're right. I think you're right. Um, and, and, and to be

00:27:24fair, cause I know you and I have said in the past, we're not party affiliated. Let's, let's call it like

00:27:30it is. I mean, I don't know about you, but when the Democrats stood up and said they were going to

00:27:37fight for my rights, I'm talking about the, you know, you know, the conventional Democrats and

00:27:42when the democratic party was clutching their pearls saying this was like going to become the

00:27:47death of democracy, then to me, the pace at which the democratic party is moving to combat this

00:27:55really is, is slow and far too, uh, minimal. Oh, I agree with that. Well, there's, there's,

00:28:03I think they're slowed down by their own hand wringing over how to do it because right after

00:28:08the election, there was all this, all this, uh, Oh, what, you know, so what do we do? Do we,

00:28:14do we try to compromise in some ways? Do we, uh, do we fight them head on? Do we try to fight them

00:28:22the same day, the same way that we did, uh, during the first administration, or do we need some new,

00:28:27uh, a new approach, some new strategies? And, and there's so much, you know, it becomes this

00:28:31analysis paralysis where I love that. Yeah. And I raise analysis paralysis. Let's, let's put a,

00:28:39let's put a pin in that one. I like it. Well, you hear it, you hear it a lot in business,

00:28:43right? When you, when you, uh, spend so much time trying to make a decision about something that you,

00:28:48you end up not making any decision at all. You end up, uh, not acting at all because you spend so

00:28:53much time trying to decide what the right decision is, um, and looking at the data and trying to figure

00:28:59that out that you just end up not doing anything. And I think that's what the Democrats have fallen

00:29:02into to a large degree. Yeah. That, and they like, it's like they're, they're hoping for the return

00:29:09to the good old days where Tip O'Neill and Ed Kennedy, you know, and all of these other, well,

00:29:15not Tip O'Neill, Ed Kennedy. And, um, I'm trying to think, I can't, I don't know, maybe like Jesse

00:29:20Helms. So that's probably extreme, but they could, they could argue with each other, you know,

00:29:26in-house and then, and then go, um, you know, to the Occidental grill and lunch after the fact.

00:29:35Well, there's those stories about, uh, Tip O'Neill and Reagan, how they, that's what I meant.

00:29:39That's what, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They, you know, they, they would fight, but they would, uh, they

00:29:43would also have a drink later at the end of the day. Yeah. Which I think honestly, um, you know,

00:29:49I don't know. I, I, I'm kind of on the fence with this. It's like, that's why I kind of coined

00:29:54this term pragmatic progressive. I think, um, in my heart, I'm very much a progressive,

00:29:58but I also understand that I share this country with all kinds of ideologies and political leanings

00:30:06and all of that. And so if I have to compromise in the, in a, in a sustainable way with others who

00:30:14share more conservative viewpoints, that I'm willing to do that again, once this gets stabilized,

00:30:19but I'll tell you right now, compromise is the four letter word. I'm not really in the

00:30:24compromising mood, right? Certainly not with MAGA show me a thing. I will, I will gladly

00:30:31talk to someone that is working with all of their synapses firing any day of the week,

00:30:37regardless of whether you're, even if you're a super conservative, at least we can have a

00:30:41conversation and learn some things from you, but I'm not going to talk to some of the, it's

00:30:45like our, you know, I said last week, you know, the world is round versus the world is flat

00:30:49dichotomy. I'm not interested in engaging in. Yeah, exactly. No, uh, same. And it's hard to

00:30:55compromise with people who, you know, are never going to compromise with you. Yeah. Yeah. That's,

00:31:00that's the case too. I think the other thing is too, it's almost like these compromises and this is

00:31:04where I, I think the democratic party and what kind of scares me is you and I get this. Why don't

00:31:09they get this? They're supposedly supposed to be experts, but what he's done is basically set

00:31:13out these bear traps and said, Oh sure. Yeah. We'll compromise. And these people, I feel like

00:31:19these traps aren't even baited. And yet these Democrats step right in the damn things, get

00:31:23their foots caught and then are like, well, what do we do now? Do we ask them to release the trap

00:31:29or do we just gnaw our own appendages off? I mean, it's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree.

00:31:37It's frustrating. Yeah. So, and then let's go to, uh, I think the number one thing,

00:31:42which actually helped us out a lot being a progressive. And that is when Trump decided

00:31:47one of the best and the brightest people he could hire was a, uh, delusional, uh, catamine

00:31:55shooting, um, drug abusing, um, richest billionaire in the world. Uh, our friend here, felon Musk,

00:32:05Elon Musk, um, and his, his pseudo department of Doge. There we go.

00:32:12Now there is the, that has Doge. I don't know about you, but I think that is the new four

00:32:16letter word Doge. Yeah. What frustrates, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,

00:32:21D O G E. Yeah. That's four. Oh yeah. Yeah. What frustrates me about Doge is, um, a lot of,

00:32:26uh, I see a lot on social media, uh, uh, MAGA people saying that, well, you know, Democrats,

00:32:32they complain about Doge. It's like, they don't, they don't care. They don't care that Doge is

00:32:36finding all this, uh, uh, uh, you know, waste, fraud and abuse. You know, they, uh, why, why

00:32:42don't they care about that? Why doesn't this matter to Democrats? And it's like, well, you're,

00:32:46you're, you're taking their word for it though. Yeah. Where, where's, where's the proof? Where's

00:32:50the evidence? What have they actually shown us? They just like, they just believe, they just

00:32:55believe Elon Musk and Trump when they say these things and they don't question any of it.

00:33:00I mean, that's usually because everyone knows that, um, you know, sexually frustrated tech bros

00:33:06that have no, um, knowledge of governmental procedure, um, understanding of the law or,

00:33:16um, you know, want to participate in general society outside of their screens, um, should make,

00:33:23you know, decisions as to the hiring and firings of civil servants and career, um, government

00:33:29officials who have bipartisanly served this country for decades. You know, I mean, clearly

00:33:35that's what you should do. You should remove these people. Yeah. It's, uh, can you hear my

00:33:42sarcasm? I, Oh, absolutely. Hopefully, uh, hopefully with Elon's departure from the administration,

00:33:46that'll, uh, begin to be the beginning of the end of Doge. I hope. Yeah. Let's dodge Doge. I mean,

00:33:53it's ridiculous, but I'm hoping, I'm hoping, and this is, see now, and a lot of my friends feel this

00:33:58way too. I don't know how you feel, Matt. Um, I am no longer just satisfied and I guess I'm guilty

00:34:04of this. And in this way, I guess MAGA has made me a little bit of the monster. I'm no longer

00:34:10satisfied with just winning. I want some retribution and revenge. I mean, so, you know, I am hoping that

00:34:16people don't take their foot off the gas when it comes to, um, trashing the Tesla corporation

00:34:21and Elon Musk and all of that. I mean, um, let's not let them off the hook. Yeah. Well, um,

00:34:30I don't know about some of the, uh, probably a subject for another show, but yeah, yeah,

00:34:37we'll explore that. I guess that that'll be a whole issue. I don't, I don't, we could do a whole

00:34:41series on Doge and Elon Musk. I mean, yeah, I don't necessarily agree with, um, just for the record

00:34:48that, you know, trashing of the Teslas and all that. I, I, some of that I think is, uh, some of

00:34:52that I don't necessarily agree with, but we can, we can dive into that on another. Okay. Well, I

00:34:58misspoke. I meant trashing the Tesla. I should have said the Tesla stock and all financially. No,

00:35:03no, no, I've not, uh, for the record, I want everyone to know. And in case Brick Brothers

00:35:07watching, I have never vandalized, nor do I plan on vandalizing a Tesla or a factory or whatever.

00:35:16I mean, because at the end of the day, the vast majority are people like you and I, just people

00:35:21that work for Tesla are not involved in this chaos and, um, you know, they're just going to work. And

00:35:28so, and even the drivers, like the vast majority of these drivers, ironically, the vast majority

00:35:32of these drivers are on our side. So, yeah, yeah, that's a good point that I hurt these poor people

00:35:40because they're trying to get better gas mileage. You know, I don't think that's really the answer.

00:35:44Plus it doesn't work very well optically. I mean, we don't look so sympathetic.

00:35:49Right. Exactly. Exactly. Usually, usually burning down buildings doesn't get you votes.

00:35:55Right. Agreed.

00:35:57But anyway, I do, I understand the anger and I understand the optics of it. And I'm not going

00:36:02to say that I haven't been guilty of celebrating the sort of like metaphor of like burning Tesla

00:36:09is like burning down the Musk empire. Of course I have, but you know, it is all metaphoric. It's

00:36:15not something obviously that any of us would wish upon, um, as far as hurting individuals or just,

00:36:20um, wantonly destroying property.

00:36:24Right. I would, I would point out too, you know, you mentioned, um, the consequences, you know,

00:36:29burning down, uh, to be specific, uh, the stock of, uh, Tesla and so forth. You know,

00:36:34it seems to me, uh, people who get mad, you know, people will get mad about that and say,

00:36:38well, you know, why should Elon, you know, Elon's trying to help us. Why should he have to

00:36:43suffer these consequences? But isn't that really, I mean, at the end of the day, isn't that just

00:36:46capitalism? Well, right. And he champions it. And so does Trump. So actually at least all of his,

00:36:52you know, lockstep, you know, um, troops there, or at least his senior, uh, leaders should not have

00:36:59a problem with this. Right. Um, you know, it's interesting, you know, you kind of go there too,

00:37:04because, um, at some point I'd like to sort of get into, I just made a quick list of who I call,

00:37:12uh, you know, Trump's best, best hires. Yeah. Um, you know, it, it, it's really no wonder

00:37:22that we're in this place when we've got, you know, people such as the likes of who we like to call

00:37:29KKK Caroline Claire Leavitt as the press secretary, who by the way is threatened and,

00:37:35or becomes argumentative when the media asks her questions. Very interesting because I thought that

00:37:41as a press secretary, you're supposed to be asked questions, but evidently nobody else got that memo.

00:37:46So thanks Caroline for that. Then we've got, um, now the, uh, attorney, um, general of the United

00:37:53States, um, who, you know, it's pretty much been substantiated now. The newest thing is that

00:37:58she's an insider trader, our friend, Pam Bondy. So she's another great one. Then we also have the

00:38:05drunk Nazi misogynist who has, uh, alt-right fascist tattoos on his body. Who's, uh, running the

00:38:12department of defense, our friend there, PD Hegseth. Then of course we have border czar Barbie,

00:38:21um, the, um, Christine Nome. Um, and if that's not good enough, she's also a puppy killer. So he really

00:38:27did staff this place with great, the, the biggest and the best. I mean, I can't, can't imagine

00:38:32administration with more skill. Yeah. Well, I mean, but there's nothing shocking about any of

00:38:37this to me. I mean, this is exactly the kinds of people, but, and, and, you know, he, he did have

00:38:41a narrower field of, uh, of awful people to choose from because, um, after the first administration,

00:38:49I mean, some of those people, some, some of those people would not come back. Well, no,

00:38:53would you ask because you know, what's interesting, man, at the end of the day,

00:38:57this is really, truly political suicide because as I've said, and I know, and I get caught up in

00:39:02it too, but like the Trump days will end. Trump will die. Um, probably sooner than we think,

00:39:08or hopefully sooner than we think, but also just, he's getting old. I mean, let's face it. The guy

00:39:13is not young. Um, and he is MAGA. I mean, he really is the momentum behind MAGA. So I, you know,

00:39:22I don't know about you, but I don't think people are going to follow, you know, crazy QP doll Vance

00:39:28into the stratosphere. I mean, he does not have the level of charisma, um, you know, that cult

00:39:34leadership persona that Trump has. Um, I hope you're right. I'm worried that you're wrong at

00:39:43not, not about the Vance part, because I agree, but the idea that, that when Trump dies, MAGA dies,

00:39:50I'm worried that you're wrong about that because, uh, Donald Trump Jr. will probably run for

00:39:55president and, and he'll probably win if MAGA gets their way. I think MAGA will live on. I think,

00:40:02I think what MAGA has done is, is it will live on, but will it live on as a powerhouse? See,

00:40:08I don't think it will, but I will have to say this in order for it not to live on. I think we're

00:40:14going to have to, instead of, you know, all the things I think, Oh, sorry about that. I think the good

00:40:18thing for us, if, if I were in Congress right now, I would be picking up a copy of Sun Tzu's,

00:40:25the art of war. And this is how I would be addressing this situation. And I would come up

00:40:30with a, with a, a battle plan to absolutely dismantle and remove MAGA from power.

00:40:38Yeah. I'm, I mean, that's honestly how I see it. Like these people really, in my opinion,

00:40:45and this is where I go off a little bit radically, but you know, I think they're all treasonists. I

00:40:49think they all should be tried in a Hague form of court. You know, and maybe we have to practice

00:40:57some muscular and a little bit more aggressive techniques to get rid of these people. I mean,

00:41:01I know that will upset some people and maybe it's a little even anti-democratic, but I don't know.

00:41:08I mean, I think that once a democracy has been this badly damaged, it, it might be time to maybe

00:41:17establish a little bit of a force in place just temporarily to strengthen it and kind of create a

00:41:24stronger foundation, you know, just put some liens up to kind of protect us, put some, maybe some extra

00:41:30protectants in there and then step away once we've done it, done its job and return to normal.

00:41:36But I don't know if just like simply checks and balances and the way, you know, business as usual

00:41:44has been, um, it's going to work with taking down MAGA. Well, but, but also, uh, just who's going to do

00:41:52it. I mean, the, the democratic party. Uh, no, no, I think it's going to come from the activists. I think

00:42:00the activists, people like myself and other people that obviously have, um, a much even more national

00:42:07reach, um, what I'm trying to build, but you know, certainly, um, people that already have it,

00:42:12um, the AOCs of the world and some other people, even, um, that maybe we don't even know their names

00:42:17yet. You know, I think it's going to be power to the people, but I think that it's going to take a

00:42:22real people power movement, but I think it can, I think it can change. I think it has to change

00:42:26because to me, it's either, um, stagnation in the end of the nation, or it's, it's progress,

00:42:37progressive in the sense of progress, not progressive in the sense of like alt left,

00:42:42just, we have to move forward. We have to put some common sense, sustainable, uh, things in place

00:42:50and we cannot allow these people to win because at the end of the day, they're really, it's one big

00:42:54hijacked Ponzi scheme and you've got, I don't even know, probably conservatively 10% of the population

00:43:02that's going to, um, benefit from what is happening and all the rest of us are just going to flounder if

00:43:07not drown. Yeah. I don't know. I don't, I don't, uh, yeah. And I don't mean to sound,

00:43:20I don't mean to sound, uh, cynical or negative. I just, um, I mean, we, we let, we let this guy get

00:43:27a second term after January 6th happened. I don't, I don't know. I, I, I'm, I guess, um, I don't mean

00:43:35to be, like I said, I don't mean to be negative. I'm just, it's like everything you just said,

00:43:39it sounds so good, but. Well, but you know, perception is reality. I mean, you just got to

00:43:47get in there and do it. Like, I don't, I don't know. Look, I'll tell you this. Um, as a gay man,

00:43:54you know, we have a very, we've always had this very interesting fraternity and people on the outside

00:43:59may not know it still exists, but it does. So I'll be quite honest with you. I've had offers

00:44:04to leave this country. I've had offers of, uh, friends of mine and acquaintances and exes of mine

00:44:11who have amassed a good percentage of financial wealth. Um, and you know, I have friends in the

00:44:19same boat and you know, my community will pick up and go if we have to. I mean, but I'm here cause I

00:44:26want to be in because I believe in the American, uh, experiment. Um, I believe in the checks and

00:44:32balances and I believe that even in, you know, some, some good trouble, but also, you know, some,

00:44:39some good dialogue and conversation and even disagreements because that's what America is all

00:44:45about. And, and, you know, I think most Americans believe in that too. Uh, I have to believe in that

00:44:51because if I don't believe in that, why am I here? Right. Yeah. No, I, uh, well said, well said.

00:45:01Um, well, so we get back to our list before I, before I started getting depressed.

00:45:08Oh, sorry. Yeah. Let's, let's, let's pick up the beat here. Um, I did want to let people know is a

00:45:14little bit aside. I'm in the process of having a, um, a Trump voodoo doll created. So what we're going to

00:45:19do is, uh, we're, you know, we'll, we'll talk a little bit more about that when it happens, but,

00:45:24um, some, some fun games, I I'm going to come up here, um, with use using that as a, as a tool. So

00:45:31stay tuned. All right, go ahead, Matt. Oh, that's, that's, uh, that that's exciting. Um, I think, uh,

00:45:41it's going to make some people very mad, but that's okay. I don't care. I don't care either.

00:45:48People have made me very mad. So exactly, exactly. And honestly, at the end of the day,

00:45:54isn't that the United States is about like, we have a right to insult each other. I mean,

00:45:58well, Trump said that. So honestly, Matt, I'm not the current democratic leadership. So I have no

00:46:04problem insulting those that, you know, really are, are as Hillary would say, quite deplorable.

00:46:10But you know, the, the people who like to say, uh, one of their mottos is F your feelings.

00:46:15It's very sensitive. Well, I don't, I mean, you can F my feelings all you want,

00:46:21but I'm going to just F you right back. There you go. I like it. I'm with you.

00:46:26All right, my friend. So, okay. Back to the list. Yes. So what do you, um, what, what,

00:46:32what did you find? Cause I think, oh, I guess, well, oh my goodness, we almost skipped one of

00:46:36the most important, the tariffs. That's exactly what I was going to say. Yeah. The tariffs. And

00:46:41again, um, unprecedented, uh, uh, putting these, uh, these tariffs into place. And, um, by the way,

00:46:49this is the one thing where some Republicans still very few, but some have questioned,

00:46:57is this really a good idea? But again, the MAGA faithful though, they are so.

00:47:04But there's a good news here. A lot of the MAGA faithful don't control the markets because if

00:47:09you're talking about his brown shirt lock steps, like the ones that raided the Capitol attack the

00:47:14Capitol, they don't have the money to invest. So the good news is they're not going to be the

00:47:18ones controlling the markets. Uh, looks like we lost Matt here a little bit. So yeah, but he will

00:47:29be back shortly, but I, you know, guys, I really hope you're having as much fun watching this show

00:47:35as I am producing it. And, um, you know, we try to add balance to the show and yes, of course it is

00:47:43called hanging left. So I am definitely an unapologetically leaning left. However, um,

00:47:50Matt and I have made a commitment to making sure that we do show both sides of the story. Um,

00:47:55we're not going to shy away from being honest, but we are certainly going to stay away from just,

00:48:02you know, being libelous or, um, you know, outright, um, hiding the truth. I mean,

00:48:09because the truth is so important. It's what sets us free. And also what sets us, um, apart from

00:48:17those in the, um, MAGA regime that are trying to keep us from the truth and take away our ability to,

00:48:25um, you know, discover knowledge and, and to acquire information and become more intelligent.

00:48:34Um, one thing that, um, when Matt gets back, I'm sure he would echo is that one of the things we

00:48:42want to always do is, is be unapologetically truthful and honest with you guys. So I hope you,

00:48:49you see that and feel that when, uh, tuning into our show here and it looks like Matt is back. So

00:48:54that's good news. Well, let me check here. I'm actually getting a message. Um, Oh, looks like we

00:49:00have a frozen screen here. So those of you that are live right now, we're going to certainly,

00:49:04uh, be subjected to this little diatribe I'm going off on. But, um, those of you that get the edited

00:49:14version probably will not. So Matt will probably take this out here. So thank goodness for editing

00:49:19capabilities. Anyway. So the other thing also, I wanted to let you know is that moving forward,

00:49:27we are going to have a chat and we will actively be taking questions from the audience. Uh, you know,

00:49:35uh, it's important to hear everyone's opinions. I mean, we aren't a democracy. So therefore,

00:49:41even those people that are like, you know, Todd, Matt, you're full of crap. That's fine. You know,

00:49:49I'm not, like I said to Matt, if you heard that earlier, um, you know, people can F me all they want,

00:49:55just be aware that I will left them back. You know, that's tip for tap, my friend. But anyway.

00:50:06Okay. Let me see what's going on here.

00:50:25That's back here. Oh, we're both back. Hey, Todd. Hey, sorry about that. I don't, I don't know why

00:50:48that happened, but I don't know. Second week in a row. It's gotta be something about Sundays. Cause

00:50:55I do, I do a podcast on Saturdays too with, with somebody about another subject and, um, and we,

00:51:01we never have that issue, but that's a second Sunday in a row, but I'll figure it out. I'll

00:51:06figure out what's causing that. So it doesn't keep happening, but it's the day of rest. So maybe it's

00:51:10the day of technology taking a rest too. I don't know, as they say, right.

00:51:13Maybe I do have a, actually, I do have a theory. I do have a pretty good theory.

00:51:19What is that theory? I think I've got too many things plugged into this computer.

00:51:24Oh, I thought I was going to hear some really deep, um, ideology. I didn't know it was simply

00:51:31technical like that. No, I think it is that because I have something plugged in that I don't

00:51:36usually have plugged in that I think is causing. Yeah. I'm going to unplug that thing. And if,

00:51:42if unplugging that means I don't freeze up again, then that'll be a pretty big clue that I just

00:51:47figured out the problem. That is excellent. I think I figured it out though. So what you're

00:51:52telling the audience is this is not the MAGA, uh, regime trying to block our broadcast.

00:52:00No. And, and what it, what it also isn't is because we're not conservatives. See,

00:52:05if we were conservatives, we'd be funded by, uh, some big, uh, some big, uh, conservative

00:52:13conglomerate that gives us lots of money. So we'd both be sitting in million dollar studios right

00:52:18now. Absolutely. Because that's how that works for those who don't know. Sure. Sure. The Koch

00:52:24brothers would be funding us, right? We'd, we'd flash, you know, these, this episode brought to you by

00:52:29the Koch brothers. Well, it really is true. That's why, um, and we can do a whole episode on this in

00:52:35the future, but, uh, some of these, um, left-wing, some of these former, well, yeah, but some of these

00:52:41former left-wing, um, uh, podcasters and streamers who then end up going conservative, it's because

00:52:51they're funded. It's like an open secret. They're funded by, by Peter Thiel and people like that who

00:52:58effectively buy them up. Yeah. But then again, you have no morality. Like to me, you know, you can

00:53:05make, and here's the thing in a way though, that's a good thing because that means that ultimately,

00:53:10you know, my goal obviously is to monetize this and that we can make money off of being authentic

00:53:16because if nobody else is doing that, then we'll be the new thing. Yeah. And I, I mean,

00:53:22and it can be done as people like Kyle Kalinsky, who, for example, is very successful, but he does,

00:53:28he never even talks to advertisers. He's just, he's monetized on YouTube and that's it. And he's,

00:53:32yeah, he's extraordinarily successful, uh, doing that. So it can be done, but, uh, but, you know,

00:53:39people like Ben Shapiro, the daily wire, you know, all that, I mean, they've just got,

00:53:43they've got gobs and gobs of money. Well, of course, of course. And a lot of them are,

00:53:47are broadcast journalists in their own right. And they've done this prior, but I mean, I do have

00:53:51friends that, you know, um, that are in the, in the, they're primarily writers, um, you know,

00:54:00freelance writers for like the Atlantic and things of that nature. Um, Peter's his first name. It's

00:54:06passing me the second one. It doesn't matter. But anyway, um, you know, and they're kind of,

00:54:10they're a little bit further along than we are, but like, they're kind of in the same boat,

00:54:14but what's great about them is they're not, they're not, you know, they could be moving faster

00:54:19if they were willing to sacrifice their, their standards in journalistic integrity and just

00:54:26even personal integrity. And, you know, that's one thing I didn't get into this again. I did not

00:54:32get into this to just, I mean, yes, of course, everybody wants to, you know, make a good living,

00:54:37but at the end of the day, I will not do that by sacrificing my own morality and my own values.

00:54:42It just, it's not, that's a, that's a non, um, uh, what's the thing I want to say? A, um,

00:54:49wow. Anyway, you get it. Oh, I do. Non-negotiable, non-negotiable. That's the

00:54:54word I wanted. Oh, listen, if I wanted to go that route, like, you know, in, in terms of the radio

00:54:59show, like I said, on, on Matt Connerton unleashed about a year and a half ago, we took the politics

00:55:02out of it, but no, I mean, I, I, I had conversations with people who told me, you know, if you at some

00:55:08point wanted to shift and, and start playing this game of, oh, you know, I, I, uh, on Democrat,

00:55:16but I'm starting to see the light and I'm starting to understand MAGA, you know, and then, and then

00:55:22do that, that play that game that a lot of other people play. Okay. With, within five years, I'd

00:55:27probably have a, a very successful nationally syndicated conservative talk show. Yes. But,

00:55:34you know, the interesting reason. But I would hate myself. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, sorry. I stepped on your

00:55:38words. I was going to say, I think though, the interesting reason for that, at least if I achieve my

00:55:42goal is because MAGA will go back into its caves and under its bridges and they will only have time

00:55:49to sit around and listen to the conservative podcasters. So that's my goal. Like, right.

00:55:55But no, seriously, I don't, I don't know. Um, you know, again, I guess we'll talk about this another

00:56:01time, but let's not, let's shy away from giving up. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I hope I didn't, I earlier when,

00:56:14when I was being maybe a little extra cynical and negative, which is not my nature, but I hope I,

00:56:18I hope I didn't sound like that's what I meant. No, no, you're right, Matt. And you know what?

00:56:22Honestly, it's live, right? So like, you know, you also chose to move mine in my direction to make

00:56:28sure people weren't saying that I was like, you know, passing out propane tanks and burning down

00:56:33Teslas too. So like, if we watch each other's backs, that's another thing, um, guys watching

00:56:39the show that you'll see is that, um, you know, number one, Matt and I aren't always a hundred

00:56:43percent going to agree. I think that makes it more interesting, but we will always support each

00:56:48other's rights to have an opinion. And at the end of the day, you know, have that brotherly love

00:56:53and support each other. Cause that's, that's very important to do. Um, so anyway, hope you guys

00:56:57practice that in your, in your life as well. Anyway, go ahead, Matt. Um, where were we when,

00:57:03uh, when technology interrupted, where were we when the moon was landed on? No, I, um,

00:57:11Oh, we were talking about tariffs. Oh my God. Yeah. How can we forget this? This is ridiculous. I mean,

00:57:17it's only the thing that everybody talks about yet. We, we forget it. Yeah. Um, yeah, there's a

00:57:23little bit of Republican pushback on tariffs, but not enough. And, uh, because I think the problem

00:57:31with that is that there's some insider trading going on with the tariffs. Oh, sure. Yeah. So

00:57:35those of you that understand the market, people can basically be trading in options and betting on

00:57:42these companies to crash and make a crap ton of money doing it. So, you know, that's the problem is

00:57:48that like a slightly more, um, finessed investment plan and you can make money when the market's

00:57:54plummeting. Oh yeah, absolutely. Well, um, in fact, uh, didn't Trump tell, uh, tell his buddies,

00:58:00Hey, that's why these tariffs and that's the Pam Bondi deal. She was, she was shorting her stocks

00:58:07in his, um, I believe it was, it was one of his endeavors, one of his enterprises when it was losing

00:58:14money. Yeah. These people are shameless. Yeah, definitely shameless. Good show though. Love

00:58:21that show on Showtime. Oh, there's a, there's a show called Shameless. Oh, you've never seen it.

00:58:26Oh yeah. No, no. Yeah. If only Trump was this guy though, this guy is like borderline homeless

00:58:31drunk. So, you know, he's not taking over the country anytime. Oh, I know the show. Okay. I know

00:58:36the show. I've never actually watched it, but now I know the show. You mean when you, when you

00:58:39describe the character, because I can even picture the actor. Yeah. I forget his name now, but anyway,

00:58:43yeah. Yeah. This is definitely going off, but yeah. So these, uh, obviously markets don't like

00:58:50instability, but again, it's like, uh, you know, Trump tells MAGA, Hey, uh, uh, if we tip into a

00:58:56recession, that's okay. Uh, it'll be Biden's fault, not mine. And yeah. And in the longterm,

00:59:02it'll be good for the economy anyway. Cause the man that is like suffering from the beginnings of,

00:59:09um, um, you know, just old age, um, mental acuity issues, which happens to anyone. And I'm not trying

00:59:17to announce, Oh, you know, Biden's brain dead. I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying like the

00:59:21reality is unfortunately that he, he is, you know, having that problem. And also now, uh, faced with

00:59:28battling, uh, a fairly aggressive cancer definitely has time to, um, still try to legislate from his,

00:59:36uh, retirement home. Well, you know, there are, uh, there are, uh, uh, Republicans who think that,

00:59:42uh, Barack Obama, uh, was, uh, secretly running the country, uh, during the Biden administration.

00:59:48Oh, well, you did know there's also a coven under Barack Obama's mansion where they all get

00:59:54together. This is also where they supposedly, um, eat children, but they, Oh yes. Well, they drink the

01:00:01blood and, but then they, I guess I was being more sustainable with the cannibalism, but I guess,

01:00:08you know, they're just drinking blood. Well, if you're a vegetarian, you're just going to drink the

01:00:12blood, which, uh, which a lot of liberals are, right. You know, a lot of vegetarians who only

01:00:17drink the blood of the children. Yeah. So it's a, it's a different, it's the new vegetarian. You're

01:00:22allowed to drink blood. Okay. Got it. Yes. Yes. Uh, not if you're a vegan, if you're a vegan,

01:00:29you can't even drink the blood, but if you're a vegetarian, you can. Hmm. What about bone marrow?

01:00:35I feel like you could chew on some bone marrow. And anyway, we're definitely digressing here.

01:00:40Uh, that is not allowed unless you are in need of a bone marrow transplant. Okay. Okay. Well,

01:00:46well, MAGA, you heard it from us. If you're ever going to turn into our show,

01:00:49we're supporting this. We're supporting your conspiracy. No joking.

01:00:55We do not support MAGA. Let me spell that out. Anyway. Okay.

01:00:59Yeah. Go ahead, Matt. So tariffs.

01:01:02Yeah. So, uh, I don't know where we're going to end up with that. Uh, Trump, uh, Oh, taco,

01:01:08the new acronym, Trump always chickens out. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love it.

01:01:12Because it's not bad enough for the markets and contributing to the instability of the markets,

01:01:16which the markets don't like instability is not bad enough to announce these ridiculous tariffs,

01:01:21but then to announce them and then unannounce them and then reannounce them and say, well,

01:01:25we're, I guess we'll do these tariffs, but not these tariffs, but Oh wait, no, actually we are going

01:01:29to do these tariffs. And yeah. Well, you know, it's all crazy. Yeah. It's all crazy. I hope we survive it.

01:01:40Yeah. Um, and, and, and, you know, it, it, it's very interesting because I find it interesting,

01:01:48just a bunch of lemmings jumping off cliffs as far as these MAGA people, like, I don't understand,

01:01:55I don't know about you, but if I look at my, um, you know, my, my stock portfolio and one day it's

01:02:04performing at, you know, 20% or so 20, 10%, something, you know, conservatively 10% on a

01:02:10good day, 15, 20%. And the next day it's down that same percentage. I don't think the current

01:02:17economic, um, vehicles and drivers are working. So, um, you know, I think that there's a good

01:02:26percentage of MAGA's that are definitely like upper middle class and even like, you know,

01:02:30lower upper class, but like, even within his like baseline MAGA's, you know, there's some,

01:02:35there's some people there that even if they didn't necessarily go out and get themselves

01:02:39educated in college or whatever, they've done a good job at whatever business they've made and,

01:02:44and, you know, moved up the ladder and made themselves a good living and, you know, and

01:02:49they're business people. So I don't know why they don't apply their business aptitude and that level

01:02:54of just like common sense to the fact that this isn't working. I mean, it's like, I don't know about

01:03:01you, but I have yet to find that metaphoric unicorn. I don't believe it. You know, unicorns don't exist

01:03:08because they haven't found one. So if you can't see the unicorn, why do you believe it exists?

01:03:12And that's kind of what I feel like this whole thing with the tariff is. It's like,

01:03:15no, you know, I know there's no such thing as this, this magical, it's magical thinking really

01:03:22is what it is. I mean, that's a good way to say it. It really is like, how do you, if, if a glass,

01:03:28I get the whole glass empty, half full, but this glass has been like absolutely, um, you know,

01:03:34it's bare bones. There's no liquid in it whatsoever. And they're still arguing it's full.

01:03:38Like, how do you do that? Yeah. I don't know. Don't get it. But anyway, I don't know. That could

01:03:46be one whole episode, the psyche of the MAGA, you know, I don't know. We'll have to get a,

01:03:50a, a psycho, you know, someone that is specializes in, uh, deprogramming cults

01:03:56on the show and talk about that. Yeah. I mean, I know they get offended. Like I said, the, uh,

01:04:03the F your feelings people, they're very sensitive. They get offended when you call it a cult, but

01:04:07there's so many, I mean, it is at the very least a cult of personality. Sure. Sure. Um, and, uh,

01:04:13I've never seen such fealty to one person. Uh, I've never seen, I mean, look, uh, during,

01:04:22I did, they called it the Nazi party. Well, yeah, yeah, I'm, but I'm right. But I've never seen,

01:04:30I mean, even Reagan, uh, Republicans loved Reagan. Yes. But even that was nothing to the level

01:04:40of, of what we see with MAGA and Trump. But here's the interesting thing about Reagan, right? Like

01:04:46at least if you were pro Reagan, your wallets were getting bigger. I mean, like even people that

01:04:53didn't like Reagan's wallets were getting bigger. So like you had to say to yourself, you had, it was

01:04:58a real, like, I think, um, moral dilemma there because I mean, we all did well. Well, I don't

01:05:05know, but we all, but quite a few people, certainly if you're a middle-class or better, you did well

01:05:08under Reagan. You can't argue that you did. Yeah. Uh, so, you know, it definitely made us

01:05:13fatter wallets, but it, it, it diminished our morality was the problem. But anyway, that's here

01:05:17nor there. Um, yeah, now we don't have either. Yeah. And even, even Obama too. I mean, uh, Saturday

01:05:25night live, uh, used to do a sketch. Uh, I don't know if you watch SNL. I love it. Love

01:05:31it. Okay. Do you remember the sketch during the recurring sketch during the Obama administration?

01:05:35I think, uh, Kenan Thompson would play the host of this, uh, this show, this public affairs

01:05:39show called how's he doing? And it was, uh, Kenan Thompson and he'd have two or three other,

01:05:45uh, they were guests on the show who were black. And, and the, the, the joke was, you know,

01:05:51because it's Barack Obama, you know, Kenan Thompson would, you know, he'd bring up something

01:05:55that sounded like a negative story and then he'd ask his guests. So how's he doing? And of course

01:05:59they were all on board with whatever it was about Obama, the joke being because they were black,

01:06:03they're going to support Obama no matter what. Um, so, and Obama did enjoy some of that too,

01:06:09but, but again, nothing on the scale of what we see with Trump. I mean, to be fair, I, I get a little

01:06:15bit, um, you know, uh, I guess defensive when people bash Obama, I mean, you know, some of my

01:06:24friends, some of my zoomer friends, and even some of my younger millennial friends, um, not because

01:06:31I, I discredit what they're saying, but because again, I feel like that's kind of how we got to

01:06:36MAGA. Like, yeah, he wasn't perfect, but who said he was going to be perfect. I mean, in a way that's

01:06:44just practicing magical thinking, like there was never going to be this like left wing utopia.

01:06:50It's right. It's, and it really, there isn't supposed to be, I mean, you know, in order for

01:06:54you and I to feel comfortable or you to feel, you know, I don't know, I'll go on a limb and guess

01:06:59like you're probably like center left. I'm maybe a little bit more left than that, but like,

01:07:03you know, for us to feel safe as who we are and that we can coexist. Other people have to coexist.

01:07:09I don't have a right to tell people that they can't believe certain things. I mean, heck back

01:07:15in the day, I supported the ACLU support of, um, all right groups existing as long as they didn't

01:07:21have violence. I mean, people can think what they want to think. I have no desire to control people's

01:07:25brains. Right. So, you know, I don't know where I was going with that. I forget. But anyway,

01:07:32the point is like, um, you know, I think there's this whole, and we'll, and we'll explore that.

01:07:41I think that's going to be a good topic and someone in the near future, but you know, I

01:07:45think that sometimes it's okay to celebrate the wins and to say, you know, we're doing a

01:07:52good job. Like, and, and maybe not raise the bar so high. Um, because, you know, even as a gay man,

01:07:59like, you know, I have friends that have bashed Clinton and said, you know, and yeah, he went with

01:08:04like domestic partnerships and, and, and that sort of thing first, but I don't fault him. Um, you know,

01:08:11he, he timed it too. He had to time. And I, I've, I've have had the fortunate, um, experience of

01:08:20meeting him personally. And I have to say that, like, I'm not a conspiracy theorist on that. I

01:08:25think that they, I think his heart was in it. I do think he believed in gay marriage, but I also

01:08:29think he didn't want, and even Obama was the same way. I think they didn't want to throw it out there

01:08:34and have it just completely crash and burn. Right. Um, you know, cause they've never given me any

01:08:39indication. I know some people say, Oh, that's cause they really didn't care about it. No, I think

01:08:43they did. I think they really did, but I think so too. I think because they really cared about it,

01:08:48they chose a slow and steady way of getting us there as opposed to like, you know, jamming it down

01:08:53people's throats because it just doesn't work. I mean, it doesn't, whether you, whether you

01:08:58believe in what's being jammed down the throat or not, it doesn't work. You can't gag people with

01:09:04your, uh, your, your values. Right. Right. By the way, that's one thing I haven't heard Trump say

01:09:10much about. I don't think he'll try to upend. I know Clarence Thomas would like to, because he did

01:09:15say as much, uh, you know why money money because gay people, whether in, in some of it, you know,

01:09:23it's not really this like wild conspiracy as to why it happens. I mean, in some respects,

01:09:30as a gay man, we benefited financially. Um, this is going to sound, now this is definitely

01:09:37going to be a radical thought, but I think many people in the Gen X crowd and even some

01:09:40of the older millennials would agree with me. We benefited from not having, from having a struggle

01:09:46and not having the other rights. Because what we did is we said, wait a minute, in order to gain

01:09:51rights, we're going to have to build a strong financial backing and we're going to have to get

01:09:55ourselves hyper-educated. And then by default, we'll demand those rights. And so that's what we

01:10:01did. We bought our way into the house. We bought our tickets. Yeah. So when you buy your tickets,

01:10:07like he's Trump, look, Trump's a bully and all his people are, are also bullies. I mean, like I said,

01:10:14Christine Nome's a puppy killer for God's sakes. She can't train a dog without shooting it. So if you

01:10:20think these people are going to have the balls to confront people that really are going to give

01:10:25them a run for their money, no. They know the gay community is mobilized. I mean, they're attacking

01:10:34us, but if you notice they're attacking my community with the most marginalized, smallest percentage of

01:10:40the gay alphabet is possible. They're going after the trans and that's because they're the lowest

01:10:45hanging fruit. They see them as the most exposed and their hope was that we wouldn't step up to the

01:10:50plate and defend our people. But you know what? If you don't, people are judged by defending the,

01:10:56um, the, the most vulnerable in their population. And if we did that, then we would be no better than,

01:11:02than MAGA. Um, no, well said, well said. Um, let's see. So we talked about what, what else is on that?

01:11:11Uh, what else, what else you have on that list for Trump? Well, we could go, it is pride month,

01:11:15so we could go there attack on trans. Um, that's always interesting. Although I feel like that's

01:11:19kind of failing. Um, you know, that's a win for us. Actually the Supreme court don't quote me on this,

01:11:25but I'll paraphrase it. They literally said, stop bringing us these woke driven, you know, um,

01:11:32anti, you know, war on culture cases. We're not interested in hearing them anymore. Like it's a

01:11:39waste of our time. Yeah. Um, that, that is good. Yeah. I mean, it's true. It is a waste of their time.

01:11:47They're basically saying, they're saying like, why are we talking about this? Like small,

01:11:51like, why are we, you ask us to make like, um, national legislation based on this small portion

01:11:58of the population that PS isn't hurting anyone, isn't doing anything. I mean, even if I don't

01:12:03understand it, they're not a threat. What are they doing? Yeah, exactly. I mean, it would be like

01:12:11going after us and like starting a national attack on ladybugs. I mean, why? I mean, what is the point?

01:12:17Right. Right. I mean, I don't know. Crazy. Yeah. Well, again, that, you know, that kind of

01:12:26capitalizes on, uh, you know, attacking trans people that, you know, these ideas that, I mean,

01:12:31Trump got pretty crazy with it too, with the campaign. He'd say things like, uh, yeah, you know,

01:12:36you send your kid to school and they come home a different gender and sure, you know, like that just

01:12:42happens. I mean, unfortunately they are making some traction. I just read, um, recently that Texas,

01:12:49I think it got passed, was able to like form some legislation, um, legislating that there are only

01:12:55two genders. Um, yeah, that's very unfortunate. Although I don't know. Here's one of my, so this

01:13:03is one of my more like, you know, forceful views. Look guys, if you're LGBTQ, get out of red states.

01:13:10If you can get the hell out, why are you forcing yourself to live in these like super oppressive

01:13:17areas? Now I get it. If economics prevent you from doing so, but if you have the means,

01:13:23like you're not gaining anything from living in these places and PS, stop spending your hard

01:13:27earned dollars in these places that I don't know. That's just my take. Stop financially supporting

01:13:32these crazies. Yeah. Well, good advice. I mean, come where you're loved. We love you. Come here.

01:13:41You know, like, like let the, let the blue States be your new Ellis Island. We'll take you in.

01:13:49There you go. Very well said. Anyway. Yeah. So where are we at? I guess, you know, um,

01:13:58how are we on time, Matt? Uh, we're okay. I mean, we should probably,

01:14:02it's probably wrap up reasonably soon. We don't want these to be too, too long. Cause then people,

01:14:05uh, people will, uh, tune out, but, um, you can probably add out, edit out my diatribe that I was

01:14:11just filling space when you were frozen or at least. Oh no, it was probably, I'm curious to, uh,

01:14:16I didn't get to hear it because I was frozen, but I'll, I'm actually very curious to hear it. I'm

01:14:20sure it was good. I was kind of talking about basically just some more, um, bookkeeping notes,

01:14:26like, you know, the fact that we were going to be working towards having an active chat and all

01:14:31that kind of stuff. Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I look forward to that. I look

01:14:35forward to having guests on and, uh, um, all of that. Uh, and we can, um, I don't know. I mean,

01:14:42do we want to preview any of the upcoming topics or what? Yeah. Yeah. That's a good idea. I think we

01:14:46should do that. So, um, Matt and I were talking and I think what we're going to do as far as the

01:14:51upcoming topics go is, um, kind of take that whole 100 days and really do a deeper dive and

01:14:59dissect each thing. And also let's face it, like we're going to have curve balls thrown at us in

01:15:04all directions and that, that mega pitching machine, and we're going to go ahead and catch

01:15:08those balls and talk about them, um, in detail and in depth and explore those topics with our guests

01:15:15and, and different, uh, information that's out there. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, like I was

01:15:22saying earlier too, when we talked, uh, we'll never have a shortage of, uh, of subjects. Yeah.

01:15:29Um, I, yeah, let's, I mean, you know, whatever, maybe we should add credit where credit's too.

01:15:34Thank you, MAGA for giving us lots of things to bitch about. Yes.

01:15:37100%. 100%. Yeah. Talk about silver linings, huh? Absolutely. So I think, um, I don't know what

01:15:48you were talking about, like different topics. Um, my sort of feelings on the subject, and I guess we

01:15:54can kind of, uh, what Matt and I like to do is kind of keep a pulse on what the most current and the

01:16:01most now topics are, um, in, in the, in the week of news. And so I think that, um, right now I'm

01:16:09leaning towards either Trump's attack on higher ed or certainly immigration. Both those topics deserve

01:16:15a much deeper dive. Um, and then maybe another one to consider would be what are, um, Democrats,

01:16:27at least we can explore locally. Um, going to do enough, enough of this, like blaming and hand

01:16:34wringing, like what's our plan of action. So that's, but that's going to be something ongoing,

01:16:38I think anyway. Um, and the other thing, which this is a topic I'm going to just kind of throw

01:16:44out there and it's not a topic I know we'll be able to explore, but I'm hoping this is my,

01:16:49this is my idealism inside me. If there are any real Republicans out there, old school Republicans,

01:16:55I would love to hear from you. I would love to hear. Um, so, so never MAGA, but Republicans,

01:17:01um, you know, I am interested on having you on our show at some point. I'd love to talk to you guys.

01:17:09I'd love to see what, and I promise I won't be too hard on you. Yeah. I don't know. What do you

01:17:15think about that, Matt? Oh, I love that idea. I love it. I love it. And you know, Hey, uh, never Trump

01:17:21Republicans are my favorite Republicans. Yeah. I mean, I do have some converts. Um, so we could

01:17:27definitely bring somebody on there. I've got someone in mind. Um, he's also sort of launching

01:17:32a political, uh, photography career. So that's something to talk about. I've got a friend that

01:17:37does that. So he, he's definitely a good option, but yeah, I mean, if I don't know, um, I do think

01:17:43that sometimes I scare away the, like always Republicans, never Trumpers. You probably do a

01:17:47better job of not scaring them, but maybe we, uh, we shall see. We shall see. All right. Very

01:17:56good. Well, I think, uh, I think we should wrap up on that note. My, um, my screen has

01:18:00gone dark again here, but obviously we can still hear each other. So we know it's recording. So

01:18:05we're fine. And, uh, so I will, but once again, I'll have to end the show by closing the, uh,

01:18:10closing the computer. This only seems to happen on Sunday, but I think it's because I had,

01:18:14I had things hooked up a little bit differently. So I'm going to work on that and make sure

01:18:17that doesn't, uh, to make sure that doesn't keep happening, but I might have to just use a

01:18:21different browser on this computer. That's a little, but yeah, we'll figure it out though.

01:18:25But, uh, so we'll, uh, I guess, uh, we'll, we'll conclude with that. So, uh, thank you everyone

01:18:31for watching and, or listening and, uh, we'll see you next week, uh, here on hanging left. Uh,

01:18:37thank you so much, Todd. Thank you very much. And again, guys, happy pride, happy pride month,

01:18:42celebrate with pride, any way you want to celebrate. All right. So we'll see you next week on

01:18:46hanging left. Hey there. No, no, that's okay. Oh, I agree. Absolutely. Absolutely.

01:19:16I mean, I, I didn't doubt it anyway, but yeah, no, I thought that was. Oh, oh, okay.

01:19:34Okay.

01:19:46Sure. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It takes a little time to build an audience and all that,

01:19:59but, but, uh, but, uh, but no, I thought that was excellent.

01:20:16Yep. Yep. Definitely. Definitely.

01:20:19Oh yeah. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. Oh, well, of course. Yeah. Nothing more.

01:20:38Yeah, absolutely. No, that's all good. Yeah. Nothing wrong with any of that.

01:20:50Yeah. 100%.

01:20:51Right. Yeah. No, I think that's, that's one of the great things about, uh, podcasting

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