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  • 5/27/2025
During a House Appropriations Committee hearing last week, Rep. Jake Ellzey (R-TX) spoke about public education before the creation of the Department of Education in 1979.
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00:01Mr. Elsey.
00:02Thank you, Mr. Chairman, rank and member.
00:04Thank you, Madam Secretary, for being here.
00:06Let's go back in history a little bit.
00:08The creation of the Department of Education came about
00:12after the 1976 election in which Jimmy Carter got elected,
00:16and he promised the NEA, the nation's largest teachers' union,
00:22a Department of Education.
00:24Previously, those roles had been Department of Health
00:27and Human Services and a couple of others.
00:29So in order to get that done and get the endorsement to win 1980,
00:33we created the Department of Education.
00:37I'm pretty sure that my well-spoken, well-regarded colleagues
00:41on the other side of the aisle who have questioned you previously,
00:44with the exception of one, not one of them,
00:47got their public education under this Department of Education
00:53on the federal level.
00:54They were all educated by public education
00:57without having the Department of Education,
01:01Health and Human Services, Department of Justice.
01:05They all had different roles, and then we put it all into one.
01:08So we've spent billions and trillions of dollars, as you mentioned.
01:11Meanwhile, the state of Texas, I checked with my friend in the legislature,
01:14the state of Texas, which is perfectly capable of taking care of kids in the valley,
01:19in west Texas, in the panhandle in north Texas, down on the coast,
01:23all of which have different demographics and different needs.
01:26We're going to spend $100 billion in the state of Texas over the next two years,
01:31providing for our own public education according to our standards,
01:35because our local school districts know how to educate their kids.
01:40So if this is a question of mental health,
01:42well, that belongs at the Department of Health and Human Services.
01:45If it's about civil rights, that belongs at the Department of Justice.
01:50Ten percent of the funding that goes to public education in this country
01:53is sent from the states back here.
01:55Washington employs a whole bunch of people, has some strings attached,
01:59and then goes back down.
02:01So this existed prior to 1980.
02:03All of my colleagues on the right, except maybe Steny Hoyer,
02:06because he's pretty young, were educated without the Department of Education.
02:11So being a Navy pilot, I tend to watch a few movies.
02:15One of my favorites is Office Space.
02:18So let me ask you, what do you think, as the Secretary of Education,
02:23what would you say you do here?
02:25What would you say the Department of Education does,
02:28and is it accomplishing that mission?
02:30Madam Secretary.
02:31Well, thank you very much.
02:33You've made my case quite a bit for me already.
02:37But what I found in talking with so many people when I took on this position
02:42was the misunderstanding of what the Department of Education doesn't do.
02:47It does not set curriculum.
02:50It doesn't hire teachers.
02:51It doesn't specify books.
02:53It doesn't do all of those things.
02:55It is actually a pass-through mechanism for funding that is appropriated by Congress.
03:01And whether the channels of that funding are through HHS,
03:05or whether they're funneled through the DOJ,
03:08or whether they're funneled through Treasury, or SBA, or other departments,
03:15the work is going to continue to get done.
03:17So what I've been focusing on at the Secretary of Education is really understanding where these grants are,
03:23where these programs are.
03:24How do we make sure that they aren't wasteful?
03:27How do we reevaluate the contracts?
03:29As I talked before, let's do savings going in as we're recommending, you know, our budget cuts.
03:34Let's make sure that the programs that we're putting in place are best serving the students of those states.
03:39And that's the work that I'm focused on every day.
03:45I want to make it clear to my colleagues that I think there's a lot of waste, fraud, and abuse in the federal government.
03:50Remember, 1980, Department of Education.
03:532001, Department of Homeland Security, which basically just added another level of bureaucracy and cost to the American taxpayer,
04:01with a questionable amount of return on that investment on safety because all those agencies underneath already existed,
04:08just like they do in the Department of Education.
04:10I would argue that I don't think that the folks of Connecticut want somebody like me telling them how to educate their kids
04:18any more than I want anybody from Connecticut telling me how to educate my kids in the state of Texas.
04:23This is better done at the state level.
04:25There's nothing about education in the Constitution, not one word.
04:29So my case is, it's not in the Constitution.
04:33Let's start with that.
04:34Let's reabsorb the functions of the Department of Education into other agencies just like it was before.
04:39And I think we're going to be just fine as my well-spoken, highly intelligent colleagues on the right side
04:45who were not educated under the guidelines of the Department of Education as it currently exists can attest.
04:51Thank you, and I yield back.

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