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Rand Paul Issues Blunt Warning About Non-Starters As Reconciliation Budget Bill Heads To Senate
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5/22/2025
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) discusses the reconciliation budget bill after its passage in the Senate.
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00:00
Who's got a question?
00:04
So what do you make of the House reconciliation bill that just passed?
00:07
Can you tell us your thoughts and would you be willing to support it unless there are changes?
00:11
The House bill is going to add about $4 trillion to the debt ceiling.
00:14
The Senate bill adds $5 trillion.
00:17
There's nothing fiscally conservative about expanding the debt ceiling more than we've ever done it before.
00:23
This will be the greatest increase in the debt ceiling ever, and GOP owns this now.
00:28
The deficit this year will be $2.2 trillion.
00:32
The GOP owns that now, too.
00:34
But if you borrow $5 trillion and you have a $2.2 trillion deficit this year,
00:39
it means you're anticipating a $2.8 trillion deficit next year.
00:42
There's just nothing conservative about borrowing $2 trillion a year.
00:46
People are lost in this.
00:48
I'm like, how much are the cuts?
00:49
$800 billion to $1.5 trillion.
00:52
No, what matters is how much comes in and how much goes out.
00:56
What is the net?
00:56
Is it positive or negative?
00:58
And borrowing this money just isn't fiscally conservative.
01:01
I've told them I can support the package if they separate the debt ceiling off and have a separate vote on that.
01:07
I want nothing to do with that.
01:08
I didn't vote for the spending.
01:10
I didn't vote for the debt.
01:11
And I'm not voting to make it easier on people who want bigger government.
01:14
Senator, some of your House colleagues said the same thing,
01:16
that they're not going to support the bill because it adds too much to the deficit,
01:19
but then they ended up voting for it.
01:20
Do you think the president could put pressure on you and others?
01:22
I'm not persuadable to go against the principles of conservative government.
01:27
I was elected and told people I wanted to come up here to try to make things fiscally responsible to balance the budget.
01:34
And I'm certainly not going to vote to send things the opposite way and borrow $5 trillion.
01:39
I mean, it is astonishing to me that any fiscal conservative has gone along with this.
01:44
They do it for the lack of President Trump.
01:46
I like President Trump.
01:47
I'm supportive of him on many, many things.
01:50
In fact, I like the tax bill.
01:51
I supported the tax bill in 2017.
01:53
Still support it.
01:54
Support making the taxes permanent.
01:56
Support spending cuts.
01:57
And would be persuaded to support even an imperfect bill.
02:01
But I'm not voting to raise the debt ceiling $5 trillion because that's not fiscally responsible and that's not conservative.
02:07
So you'd only vote for this if they split it up?
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