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11:402A 3.30 x (-0.99)?
11:56CCCoSp4 3.50 Sp4 3.50
12:10We're going to go straight to the protocol at NRS Roche.
12:18I think someone from ACT UP wanted to speak.
12:21Was it you, Thibault, who wanted to say a few words about this test?
12:24Yes. So, here it is.
12:26This test was already causing us a lot of problems.
12:28We talked about it here when we were told a few months ago that it was going to extend for over a year.
12:33But now, after reading the protocol, it seems that it is causing even more problems than expected.
12:37Yet we tried to reduce the duration of the test when you asked for it.
12:39Yes, but the duration is no longer the problem.
12:41Really?
12:42No. What shocked us right away, and when I say us, I mean all the associations, not just ACT UP.
12:47What shocked us was the number of punctions required during the test.
12:50It's crazy.
12:51But it's an extremely important issue. Observing what's going on in the ganglions is paramount.
12:54We totally agree, but have you ever had a ganglion puncture?
12:58No, but I know it's not very pleasant.
13:01No, not really.
13:03Here, it's a puncture every 15 days, for 8 months.
13:06So, 16 punctures, if I'm calculating correctly.
13:10The few desperate people who will still take part in the test,
13:14will leave after 2 months, after 4 ganglion punctures,
13:17and you'll end up with results that are impossible to interpret.
13:19What solution do you propose?
13:21We don't have a solution. We're just telling you that the test, in its current state, is not viable.
13:26What's the conclusion? Because what you're proposing is not a simple rewriting of the protocol.
13:30It's obvious. What we're saying is that you can start your test as it is,
13:34but that you're going to fail.
13:43It's for you.
13:49I've been listening to these stupid jokes for months, it doesn't make me feel honest.
13:53If you don't like it, I really can't do anything for you.
13:57I'm sorry.
14:02What's the picture for?
14:06It's a beach that I love in Ireland.
14:08It's just the most beautiful place in the world, that's why I put up this picture.
14:12Hello.
14:13It's also a picture of you.
14:18It would be nice if you could stay with us for a bit, Thibault.
14:21No.
14:22These gentlemen from Melton Farms are here.
14:25To be completely clear, the NRS has not taken a position in favour of the actor,
14:29about the difference that opposes you.
14:32It's not our role to play the judge of peace,
14:35but we took part in the Melton Farms laboratory,
14:38and Mr. Gilberti, here, can testify that we understand your impatience.
14:43We understand it too, it's not the problem.
14:45It's not finished yet, Mr. Gilberti.
14:47So, if we're all here together,
14:50it's to discuss a little calmly and try to find a compromise.
14:54Excuse me, but I think it's going to be difficult to find a compromise.
14:57Well, it's starting well.
14:58Once again, we understand your impatience, it's not the problem,
15:01but I'm telling you face to face, especially to you, sir,
15:04violence is simply unacceptable.
15:07Throwing blood in our premises, as you did, is unacceptable.
15:11First of all, there was material damage,
15:13and that's a non-negligible cost,
15:15but also, and I would say especially, psychological damage
15:18on a good number of our employees,
15:20who were really very traumatized by your way of doing things.
15:22Why don't you attack us in court, then?
15:24Excuse me?
15:26If you think we're just breakers,
15:29why don't you attack us in court?
15:31Well, precisely, it's proof that we want to dialogue with you, right?
15:34No, but you should do it.
15:36It would be interesting to see a pharmaceutical laboratory
15:39attack a patient association.
15:41I think that's what's stopping you.
15:43And then, your employees in shock,
15:46well, you just have to explain what your policy of information retention
15:49provokes on AIDS patients in the terminal phase.
15:51And let's be serious, we're not here to file a lawsuit,
15:54but it's true that it's difficult,
15:56and I fully understand the AIDS association,
15:58it's difficult to work with an association like yours
16:00that calls for violent methods.
16:02No, but wait, I'll stop you right there.
16:04All the associations here agree on one point,
16:07your way of communicating, or rather, of not communicating,
16:10is simply scandalous.
16:12Wait, ma'am, there's nothing scandalous.
16:14We're here to dialogue, we're here to be transparent with you,
16:17we're here to...
16:18Transparent? You're here to be transparent?
16:20I'm sorry, I didn't understand.
16:21Are you going to give us the results of the tests on antiprotheases?
16:24That's great!
16:25Yeah, that's great, he should have told us.
16:27But what's the point?
16:29We don't have the definitive results.
16:31I mean, you really have to be an expert to interpret this kind of document.
16:34No, no, it's been four years since I've read all the scientific literature on the subject.
16:37Yes, allow me to believe that I would be able to read
16:39the partial results of your test on antiprotheases.
16:42We have an expertise.
16:43I developed an expertise in side effects,
16:44I have an expertise in vomiting, in diarrhea,
16:46I have an expertise, and maybe it's time you listened to it.
16:48What do you think?
16:49We're just doing this, you're listening.
16:51So, as we could expect, everyone played their part.
16:54The other associations supported us.
16:56The director of the NRS, he pretended to be impartial,
16:59but we felt that he wanted to give a good slap
17:02to the representative of Milton Farms.
17:04And as for Mr. Giliberti,
17:05of course, he didn't give us any information,
17:07but he was unable to justify himself.
17:09I think he understood that he had made a mistake
17:11by attacking ACT UP from the beginning of the meeting.
17:14Okay, Max, it's your turn.
17:17So, what I hear in what you're saying
17:19is that you put the guy from Milton Farms back in his place,
17:21you enjoyed it, that's good,
17:22but we didn't get anything from him.
17:24No, but we're going to keep putting pressure on him,
17:25it's not something that...
17:26No, but how are you going to put pressure on him?
17:28Well, we're going to harass him,
17:29we've talked to the other associations,
17:31we're going to have an inter-associative press conference.
17:33You're going to write letters, aren't you?
17:35Oh, I feel like you're getting excited up there,
17:37you mountaineers.
17:38We knew perfectly well that we weren't going to get anything
17:40from the lab.
17:41If you think otherwise, you're really dreaming.
17:43No, but if we have nothing to expect from anything,
17:44we wonder why we're all here.
17:45No, no, no, no.
17:46It doesn't happen the same way,
17:47and you know that,
17:48on the medical question,
17:49as it does on other subjects.
17:50On prevention, on access to care,
17:51we're generally facing public power.
17:53And we have a concrete discourse on what should be done.
17:55On the medical, what we need the most
17:57is to know, we need to learn things.
17:59So, our role at ACT UP
18:01is to push the labs to expand their research as much as possible.
18:04For example, I want to know what the interactions are
18:06between antiretrovirals and extras.
18:08For example.
18:09Yes.
18:10No?
18:11No, of course, that's essential.
18:12Yes, but it's important.
18:13Léa, did you want to add something?
18:14Yes.
18:15We should also do research on the interactions
18:17between AZT and hormonal treatments.
18:19I have the impression that there are a lot of side effects
18:21that we don't control at all.
18:22And there are a lot of girls like me who have the same problems.
18:24Yes, exactly.
18:25Yes, Hélène?
18:26Yes.
18:27I just want to go back to what Max was saying earlier.
18:30I agree with him.
18:31I think these people, they're putting us to sleep right now.
18:34And if we want to get things from the labs,
18:37the best weapon is public action.
18:39Because, yes, because it's going to attack their image,
18:42and that's what they want to preserve.
18:43No, not at all, Hélène.
18:44You're wrong.
18:45The labs don't give a damn about their image.
18:47What do you mean?
18:48Well, we're doing an incredible ad for Melton Farms
18:51for its antiprothease.
18:52What do you think?
18:53Sean, you asked for the floor earlier.
18:55I still have the impression that we have nothing to gain
18:57in this lobby strategy.
18:59Come on, tell yourself.
19:00It's useless.
19:01No, but he's in the loop.
19:02No, but Thibault, if the labs are the safeguard of the medical commission,
19:04you have to say it.
19:05What are you talking about, Sean?
19:06We're doing a report right now.
19:08And we've already done an action against Melton Farms.
19:10But the first time we did an action against a lab
19:12was several months ago.
19:13We have to reverse the balance of power.
19:15It's not us who need the labs.
19:16It's them who need us.
19:18If only to fill their fucking therapeutics.
19:21So I think we have to continue the offensive strategy
19:23and stop the endless discussion with them.
19:25But it's still super unpleasant, Sean.
19:27But you let them believe that we have some kind of friendly discussion with the labs,
19:31as if we were an elite,
19:33who just had the selfish goal of having access to new molecules.
19:36But I don't have time to play with that.
19:38My blood tests are not excellent.
19:40I don't have time to waste.
19:41No, but we're not going to compare our health records.
19:43No, because I'm not doing well either.
19:45I have 164 and dust left.
19:47It doesn't make me want to talk to people who don't give a damn about us.
19:50And we have to wait months to give us the results of a test
19:52that may turn out to be disappointing elsewhere.
19:54Sean, you see that we can't mobilize the media on the issue of treatments.
19:58Look, we did a sensational action against Melton Farms.
20:01We put blood everywhere.
20:02We didn't have a single photo in the press.
20:05And it's the same here, at ACT UP.
20:07We can't mobilize on the issue of treatments.
20:09We are more and more numerous in Reunion,
20:11and we are still as few.
20:12I can't stop saying it in the medical commission,
20:14when it's the most important commission of ACT UP.
20:16Really? Why is it the most important?
20:18Because, I don't know if you remember,
20:19but you and I don't want to die, darling.
20:21Oh, because you think you're going to survive, you?
20:23I don't know that.
20:24But in any case, I feel like I do.
20:25Okay.
20:26Bashir, you wanted to say something.
20:30But I don't even know why we're arguing right now.
20:34It's wasted time, all this.
20:37I think we don't even know what we're talking about,
20:39and neither do you, by the way.
20:40I don't see what prevents us from lobbying
20:43and taking action in parallel.
20:45For example,
20:48as soon as we have a moment,
20:49we call the labs,
20:51or we send them faxes.
20:53We tell them,
20:55we're sick, we're going to die,
20:57we need the results.
21:00And in parallel,
21:01the medical commission can continue to discuss
21:03with the lab management.
21:05I don't see the problem.
21:08Thank you, Bashir.
21:09Sophie, do you want to intervene?
21:10Yes.
21:11I wanted to
21:13go back to what Bashir was saying
21:15about the faxes.
21:17In fact, we developed a new technique.
21:20If we stick two sheets together like this,
21:22and then we pass them through the fax,
21:25and, sorry,
21:27and then we stick them back together like this,
21:30in fact, the thing turns
21:32in a loop,
21:34and it's at the end of their fax all day.
21:35It's great.
21:36That's a very, very good idea.
21:38I think we should ask the lab manager
21:40to come to the meeting.
21:41What do you say, Sean?
21:42Why don't we ask the people of Melton Farms
21:44to come to the meeting?
21:45Yes, so that they can answer our questions directly.
21:48They will never come before
21:49the world conference on AIDS.
21:51In any case, I think it's worth a try.
21:53OK, we can do a vote of principle
21:54to close the debate,
21:55because it's 9.24 p.m.,
21:57and it would be good to take a break.
21:58OK, no, very good.
21:59I think it's a very good idea.
22:00OK, so,
22:01who do we invite
22:02our friends from Melton Farms to the meeting?
22:07OK, well, an overwhelming majority.
22:09We'll adopt the principle
22:10of having lab representatives come on time.
22:12Perfect.
22:13We'll take a break.
22:14Fifteen minutes.
22:37How are you?
22:38I'm very well.
22:40I won't bleed.
22:42OK.
22:59I have a little hemiplegia.
23:01In the mouth.
23:02OK.
23:03I'm sorry.
23:04No, no, no problem.
23:06Do you have an infotainment system here?
23:08Fuck, you're really promising.
23:11You'll end up knowing more about the disease than I do.
23:14Yes.
23:15I have one now.
23:24Do you realize that I never asked you
23:25what you were doing in the city?
23:27What I do in the city?
23:29As a job.
23:30Ah, yes.
23:31It's time to tell each other
23:32the professional stuff and everything.
23:35What do you want to know?
23:36No, forget it.
23:38Go ahead.
23:40But I don't know.
23:42What's your job?
23:46Well, for the rest of my life,
23:47I'm a therapist, that's all.
23:49That's how it's summed up.
23:55And Sophie,
23:56do you have a girlfriend?
23:58No.
23:59And Sophie, what does she do, in your opinion?
24:01What do you mean?
24:02In life, what does she do?
24:06She works at a survey institute, I think.
24:09Yes, that's it.
24:12And Germain?
24:17I don't know.
24:18He's not in his fourth year yet.
24:19No.
24:20Really?
24:21Yes.
24:22But I think he's not really working anymore.
24:24I see.
24:26Uh...
24:28And Jeremy, what does he do?
24:30He works at a vineyard.
24:31No.
24:32And he's a student.
24:33In history.
24:34In history.
24:35No, no, that's not it.
24:42I don't care about him.
24:5610 LITERS OF BLOOD
25:10So, if I'm going to do it for 10 liters of blood,
25:13I put 10 liters of water in the bathtub,
25:16and then I add a kilo of sugar and the glue with baking paper,
25:20like for the posters.
25:21So the trick, you see, is to mix it well, to make it look like a whirlwind in the bathtub,
25:28so that there are no lumps and that it mixes well.
25:30Because if you have to mix it again afterwards, it's not great.
25:32And once that's done, we add the colors.
25:35Like, we have three shades of color.
25:38You know, it's food red.
25:40It has to be not too black and especially not too pink, you see.
25:43Jérémy, you know how to give it to me.
25:46Yeah.
25:47Wait, wait, wait.
25:49Keep your head down.
25:54On Wednesday, February 23, 1848,
25:59the people are still in the street,
26:01and a few barricades have been erected.
26:06A group of about fifty demonstrators set out for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
26:12located on Boulevard des Capucines.
26:14But they find the boulevard barricaded by the men of the 14th of Ligne.
26:22A torch in hand, a leader moves forward, threatening a lieutenant.
26:30Thinking the officer in danger, a sergeant shoots.
26:34Believing in a signal, the troop opens fire.
26:38Prisoners! Prisoners!
26:42A little later, sixteen dead and about forty wounded.
26:46From then on, the anger explodes.
26:50The bodies of the victims are loaded onto carts
26:52and walked in the light of the flames in the streets of Paris.
26:56What's going on, Jérémy?
26:57I can't breathe.
26:58You can't breathe?
26:59No.
27:00Sit down.
27:01I really can't breathe.
27:02Go on, lie down.
27:04We're going to put this back at the tip of your finger.
27:06Breathe calmly.
27:08Put your head on the pillow and relax.
27:11Breathe calmly.
27:12It's not going to be pleasant, but it will help you breathe.
27:15We even stop in front of some newspapers of the time, like Le National,
27:19to force them to make a countdown of the scene.
27:23Spectacular call to arms, this walk of corpses
27:26rings the bell of the July Monarchy.
27:36This will be my political burial.
27:39That's what I want,
27:40to be walked around in the streets of the city
27:42with whistles and horns of mist.
27:46I don't want my ashes to be used, because I promised my parents.
27:49I say this now because, even if I'm afraid,
27:52and I'm very, very afraid, I haven't suffered yet.
27:55But I know it will come.
28:06This is what I've come to tell you.
28:21We die, we die, who cares?
28:24We die, we die, who cares?
28:27We die, we die, who cares?
28:31We die, we die, who cares?
28:35Sida, we're dying, the difference is still there.
28:40Sida, we're dying, the difference is still there.
28:44Sida, we're dying, the difference is still there.
28:48Sida, we're dying, the difference is still there.
28:52Sida, we're dying, the difference is still there.
28:56Sida, we're dying, the difference is still there.
29:00Sida, we're dying, the difference is still there.
29:04Sida, we're dying, the difference is still there.
29:34SIDA, WE'RE DYING
29:47It is thus that we often find that a certain bad faith
29:50crosses the homosexual psychology
29:52and favors a state of mind of cheating
29:54in relations ranging from art or science
29:56to the inauthenticity of feelings.
29:59This absence of meaning of the truth
30:01explains the great instability of homosexual love relationships
30:04hence the often banished trust.
30:07Here it is, the book of Tony Anatrella,
30:10priest and psychoanalyst.
30:13A book that has received good reviews in the world
30:15and also in other zebdos.
30:17And then we find the same kind of bullshit
30:19in the last essay of Baudrillard.
30:22Hang on.
30:23The virality and pathology of closed circuits
30:26is a pathology of incest
30:28taken in a broad and metaphorical sense.
30:30The one who lives by the same will die by the same.
30:34The fact that SIDA is first affected by homosexual or drugged environments
30:37is due to this incestuosity of groups
30:39that operate in closed circuits.
30:44So we had the idea of making these little stickers
30:47on which we can read
30:49Attention, this book contains homophobic or stigmatizing words
30:52for the sick people of SIDA and seropositive.
30:56So the idea is to stick them on the page of all the books
30:59that contain hateful words
31:01as well as on the texts of sociologists or pseudo-philosophers
31:04who sometimes present themselves as our friends.
31:06So we put them here.
31:08Don't hesitate to take some at the end of the lecture
31:10and stick as many as you can, please.
31:12Thank you very much.
31:13Let's move on to the matter of contaminated blood.
31:15I think, Hélène, you wanted to make a point.
31:17No, it's not a point, it's a debate.
31:19Ok, ok.
31:20So you probably noticed among the papers
31:24tonight a text that personally questions me.
31:28This text reproaches my commission for claiming
31:32that the ministers and political officials
31:34involved in the case of contaminated blood
31:36be thrown in prison.
31:38So I would like to be given the position of act-up on the subject.
31:41I need clarification.
31:43Max, you wanted to take my word for it.
31:45Yes.
31:46Well, Hélène, the text you're talking about,
31:48it's me and Shane who wrote it.
31:50It's not a secret since we even signed it.
31:52As you can say, I invite everyone to read it.
31:54We perfectly assume this text
31:56and if we wrote it, it's because, like you,
31:58we need clarification.
31:59We've been protesting for months to question
32:01the political responsibilities in the case of blood,
32:03except that for some time now,
32:04we've seen signs and slogans
32:06demanding trial sentences for the people involved
32:08as if what we wanted above all was prison sentences.
32:10Yet, what we've always asked for
32:12is for the trial to end and for sentences to be pronounced.
32:15No, we asked for justice to be done, Hélène.
32:17Well, yes, it's the same thing.
32:18No, it's not the same thing.
32:19And it hurts me to think that act-up
32:21will demand prison sentences
32:22when we are precisely against it.
32:24A prison is a place where people don't have care.
32:26It's a place where people contaminate themselves.
32:28It's a place where people consume heroin
32:29without having access to sterile hands.
32:31What are you talking about?
32:32I agree with all of this,
32:33but here I'm being treated like a pujadist.
32:34It's disgusting.
32:35You're not the one who's being treated like a pujadist.
32:37It's not against you that we wrote this text.
32:39It's to wake us all up.
32:40It's collectively, when we're locked up in this thing,
32:42to demand prison sentences.
32:44Me, if I joined act-up,
32:46it's precisely because you were the only ones
32:48we could hear on the subject.
32:50I think Marco and I
32:52have always been loyal to you.
32:55I find it extremely unpleasant
32:57that you didn't come and talk to me directly
32:59instead of writing this text.
33:00No one is questioning your work.
33:02I don't even understand what you want.
33:04It's always been our role
33:05to defend all the patients,
33:06whatever they are.
33:07What do you want?
33:08That we stop demanding prison sentences?
33:09Yes, among other things.
33:10But it's a little more serious than that.
33:12You see, we have the impression
33:13that the case of the contaminated blood
33:15has become the respectable showcase of act-up.
33:17So it's sure that it's much sexier
33:19for the media than whores,
33:21but for the foreigners,
33:22I don't even talk about prisons.
33:23So maybe you're happy
33:24to have taken advantage of this story, Thibault,
33:26but it doesn't suit me.
33:27But it's incredible that you say things like that
33:29because the case of the blood
33:30is emblematic of the absence of epidemic management
33:32by the state
33:33and by all the successive governments.
33:35If there aren't today
33:36string exchange programs,
33:37targeted prevention campaigns
33:39for the epidemic, for foreigners,
33:40it's because the state hasn't become aware
33:42since the beginning of the seriousness of the situation.
33:44Exactly.
33:45I remind you that for months,
33:46I injected my son with contaminated blood bags
33:49provided by the hospital services
33:51with the complicity of the doctors
33:52and the public authorities.
33:54But we know all this, Hélène, we know.
33:56But now we're at a point
33:57where we're contradicting ourselves.
33:59It's not the same thing
34:00to talk about political responsibility
34:02and to want to throw people in jail.
34:04We're not here to demand revenge.
34:06I don't know, I don't want to throw anyone in jail.
34:08I just want the trial to go to the end.
34:09Excuse me, Hélène,
34:10I don't know what you think,
34:11but if everyone agrees,
34:12we're not going to ask for a vote.
34:13No.
34:20I think it's a shame
34:21that we manage to insult each other
34:23when it's just a matter of adjustment in the discourse.
34:25No, it's not just adjustments.
34:26It's not just adjustments.
34:27Okay, so we're going to move on to the various things
34:29that were planned before the trial.
34:31What was that, guys?
34:33Are you crazy?
34:34You're going to take Hélène like that?
34:35I didn't do anything.
34:36And it's not after Hélène
34:37that you're going to do it after Thibault.
34:38I'm sure you wouldn't have done the same thing
34:40if it had been Armand,
34:41which you know very well.
34:42Isn't what just happened a little disgusting?
34:43What?
34:44It's not a moment of humiliation
34:45for Hélène.
34:46Except that we'd rather do your thing
34:47in your court.
34:48What do you think?
34:49He's a little angry.
34:50He doesn't understand what we're trying to say.
34:51Stop it, Chum.
34:52She didn't take it well at all.
34:53I don't think so.
34:54Honestly, it's annoying to talk about it.
34:55Yes, it's annoying.
34:56No, but wait.
34:57It was disgusting to take it out on Hélène
34:58when you just wanted to make fun of me.
35:00It's not about Hélène.
35:01The problem is that we don't think together.
35:03And you know what?
35:04You're happy because you're on TV,
35:05while here in Réunion,
35:06we're more happy
35:07and less and less in agreement.
35:08We don't know where we're going, Thibault.
35:09You know where you're going.
35:10I don't want to hear you crying at home
35:11like on Tuesday nights,
35:13but just give me the keys to the house.
35:14Can you shut up a little on the other side?
35:16If you want to have a debate,
35:17it's here that it happens,
35:18in the living room,
35:19not behind the scenes.
35:21It's painful.
35:38You know it's not an aerogenic zone?
35:41Does it hurt?
35:42No.
35:51How's the distribution going?
35:52I don't think we'll be late.
35:54Well, I think we'll have to hurry.
35:56I think we'll be able to do
35:58two or three rounds in front of the ministry
36:00and then we'll get on board.
36:02So...
36:06Oh, shit.
36:07Well, it's even faster.
36:08We forgot the signs.
36:09We can't stay on them.
36:10Let's go.
36:11Let's go.
36:12Go, go, go!
36:17Ten years ago,
36:18we estimated at 4%
36:19the number of positive seropositive drug users.
36:21Today,
36:22we're at 30%.
36:23The policy of the Ministry of the Interior
36:25is to balance drug users.
36:27I would like to make it clear
36:29that for all drug users,
36:30I would like to ask you
36:31to sanitize your hands
36:32with hand sanitizer
36:33all over the country.
36:34If you don't do it,
36:35we won't do it.
36:36Action against the use of drugs
36:37and the distribution
36:38of medically assisted heroin.
36:39We have to end the hypocrisy
36:41of the public authorities.
36:42It's the only way.
36:43Fuck!
36:45He's sick!
36:47Watch out!
36:49He's sick!
36:52Watch out!
36:58Are you okay?
36:59Yeah, I'm fine.
37:00Are you sure?
37:01I'm fine.
37:08At least it was quick.
37:38How did you do it?
38:03How did I do what?
38:07It's become a habit, Act Up.
38:10We keep telling each other how we get infected.
38:13But you?
38:15How did you manage to stay serene all this time?
38:18Well...
38:21I don't know.
38:23You started kissing before the epidemic, right?
38:25Yeah, that's true.
38:27But it didn't last very long.
38:30So?
38:31How was it before?
38:33It was great.
38:35I had kissed with two or three guys.
38:40There was one in particular I was crazy about.
38:42Arnaud.
38:44Was he handsome?
38:45Honestly?
38:46No.
38:48Really?
38:49No, I was crazy about him.
38:52I lived in the South at the time.
38:54He came to pick me up regularly at Ex,
38:56and we went to kiss at his place in Marseille.
38:59No one knew anything about me.
39:02I remember the road we took in the car.
39:06One day,
39:08there was a snowstorm on the highway.
39:11We had never seen that in the South.
39:14We were taken by surprise.
39:16So we parked on the emergency lane.
39:18Well, we thought it was the emergency lane
39:20because we couldn't really tell.
39:24And the cars kept going around us
39:27as if they were chasing us.
39:29As if they were chasing us.
39:31As if, at any moment,
39:32they could shoot at us,
39:34explode at us.
39:38And I told myself something strange that day.
39:40I told myself that
39:42if there was one of them
39:43who got into our car
39:47and we were burning alive
39:48without anyone being able to help us,
39:52well,
39:53we would end up with our bodies burnt to the ground.
39:55And I thought
39:57that after weeks of investigation
39:58to identify ourselves,
40:01people would wonder
40:02what we were making,
40:03him and me,
40:04together.
40:06Who we were for each other.
40:11How old were you?
40:1319.
40:14Yeah, 19, I think.
40:17It all seems so abstract to me.
40:21All I know is that
40:22not long after that,
40:23I found a magazine about AIDS.
40:25It was the first time I heard about it.
40:28There was a picture of two guys,
40:30two Americans,
40:31on a beach.
40:35Well, there wasn't one picture,
40:36there were two pictures.
40:38One before, one after.
40:41On the first one,
40:42you see the couple in full form.
40:44And on the second one,
40:46there's one of the two
40:47at the terminal stage of the disease.
40:53His name was Kenny.
40:57He was a monster.
41:01It was the first time I saw a gay couple
41:03in a magazine.
41:05Except that there,
41:06it was to tell us that homosexuals were going to die.
41:10That we were all going to die.
41:17It terrified me so much
41:18that I stopped fucking.
41:20Seriously?
41:22For five years.
41:24What?
41:25Are you crazy?
41:26Yeah, I don't know.
41:28I didn't know if I had the virus,
41:29if I could get rid of it,
41:31or get infected.
41:33And then I started to believe in gays for a long time.
41:36And when I realized that it worked,
41:37it was a deliverance.
41:39And at that moment,
41:40I found Arnaud again.
41:42The guy I was in love with.
41:44And it's with him that I'm starting to fuck again.
41:49We're having a hell of a day.
41:52And then in the evening,
41:53we went to the restaurant.
41:56On the road,
41:59I realized that he had a little trouble walking,
42:01breathing.
42:04That he had lost a little weight too.
42:10At the table, he tells me a lot of things.
42:13I don't know what exactly.
42:16He just tells me that he went back to live with his parents.
42:22But he doesn't tell me anything about his health.
42:26And of course,
42:28I don't ask him the question.
42:31So we're having a weird night.
42:35We don't tell each other the things we should have told each other.
42:42And then he could give me news after that day.
42:48So a year later,
42:50I called his parents.
42:53And I found his father.
42:56He told me that his son had been hospitalized.
43:01When I asked him why,
43:02he told me he knew very well why.
43:06He got angry.
43:09So I hung up.
43:11So I hung up.
43:18And I didn't go to see him at the hospital.
43:29Is he dead?
43:31I don't know. It was two years ago.
43:34I think so.
43:35I think so.
43:39Maybe he got out of it. You don't know.
43:43It happens to stay in the hospital and come back to normal life.
43:48Yeah, maybe.
43:51I don't know.
43:52I don't know.
44:04I'd rather say he's still alive.
44:10No.
44:12Either he's dead or he's alive.
44:16That's true.
44:22I don't know.
44:31We could live together.
44:34It would be easier.
44:37Easier for what?
44:40You're annoying.
44:44I hate not being here every time.
44:48I didn't ask you that.
44:49Do you like it here?
44:52I like it on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and weekends.
44:57But now, with work,
44:59it's a bit too complicated.

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