Los Tigres del Norte have enjoyed a career spanning over 57 years. The renowned regional Mexican group sat down with Leila Cobo to share their thoughts on some of their biggest hits, including “Contrabando y Traición.” They also discussed their thought process behind their new track, “La Lotería,” their decision to include an image of Donald Trump as "el diablito," their opinions on narcocorridos and the ongoing efforts to ban them, immigration issues in the U.S.. and more.
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00:00The little devil, well, we used to have him more seen, who he was.
00:04The company said, no, well, this is like very declared, right?
00:08That he comes out well bathed, well perfumed for his date,
00:11and that he also leaves the bed ready in case he comes back accompanied.
00:15In case he comes back accompanied.
00:18I was his favorite son, with the apologies of my brothers,
00:22but I was his spoiled son.
00:24Yes, he was his mom.
00:30Well, welcome to Miami Los Tigres del Norte.
00:36Thank you, thank you, thank you.
00:38How nice to have you here, because I always have to go to other places to find you.
00:43But here you came to Los Trópicos, I also appreciate a lot that you are dressed like Miami.
00:48Ah, thank you very much, thank you.
00:51Even though we are in a Mexican restaurant.
00:54We are here in this Mexican restaurant, very nice.
00:57Very nice.
00:59I only bring you to nice places.
01:02Whenever you invite us, you invite us to wonderful things.
01:05How many years now?
01:07We already have a lot.
01:0940?
01:10Recording an album since 1968.
01:131968.
01:16Many years now, I think the first song since people know us, Camelia La Tejana, right?
01:30It is one of the songs that made Los Tigres del Norte famous many years ago.
01:36Well, Jorge told me the story of Camelia La Tejana.
01:39Yes.
01:40And I'm trying to remember, weren't you a minor when that song was recorded?
01:46Practically.
01:47Yes, right?
01:48And you were like hiding in the bars to sing it, weren't you?
01:53Yes, exactly.
01:54I told you the story of how I got to know the song.
01:58Because they took me to a place in Los Angeles,
02:03because I was a minor and they didn't let me enter the place
02:08where this person who composed the song worked, Angel González.
02:13And Art Walker took me to know that song.
02:18Let's see, one minute, I have to take a break.
02:20Art Walker was the manager and they called him Arturo Caminante.
02:27Do you remember?
02:28Of course I remember, because he was English, wasn't he?
02:31Yes.
02:32The manager of Los Tigres del Norte was an Englishman.
02:34I think that's fantastic.
02:36In Manchester, England.
02:37Imagine that.
02:38Well, so Art Walker takes you to Arturo Caminante.
02:42That's where I met Angel González,
02:46who was the composer of the camellia.
02:51And that's where the song was born.
02:56I listened to how people praised him when he sang that song.
03:03He never recorded it for the public,
03:06but he sang it in his performances.
03:09And that's how I got to know that song.
03:11And my brothers and I recorded it.
03:17And we were lucky that the public chose it.
03:20Since then, we are Los Tigres del Norte.
03:23Los Tigres del Norte with Camellia La Tejana, a run.
03:28I always say that Camellia La Tejana, with a lot of respect,
03:32was the first drug run as well as very famous, in my opinion.
03:38With my most limited history.
03:40It's going to be 50 years of Camellia La Tejana.
03:44And now Los Tigres are going to come out with the lottery.
03:49Precisely.
03:50Precisely.
03:51And the lottery also has its runs.
03:56But there is no drug run at all.
03:58And I clarify that the drug runs of Los Tigres,
04:01Camellia La Tejana, for me, more than a drug run,
04:03it's like an adventure story, right?
04:06A love story.
04:08And from Camellia La Tejana, Arturo Pérez Reverte was born
04:12and was inspired to be the Queen of the South, right?
04:14That's right. Many years later.
04:17And the telenovela was made.
04:19And Los Tigres made the song.
04:21We said, thanks to Los Tigres, we have a whole genre of television.
04:27Well, I think that after Camellia,
04:30that Pérez Reverte wrote the book based on Camellia,
04:34but he was the Queen of the South.
04:37I think that from there,
04:38at the time we recorded Camellia,
04:42we never thought,
04:44because it starts as a love story,
04:46Camellia.
04:47And before saying,
04:49bring the weed, let's go to the tires.
04:51Wow, it was like,
04:52you couldn't say those things, right?
04:54At that time.
04:56And I think that's also why we always say
04:59that Camellia La Tejana is the one that brought
05:01the public to the radio,
05:04in the telenovelas,
05:06in the movies.
05:08And I think that until now,
05:09after 50 years,
05:11Camellia seems like it was yesterday when we recorded it,
05:13because we still have to sing it.
05:15It's the one that people have in their minds,
05:17of Los Tigres del Norte.
05:18It's the first one we recorded.
05:19Really? They still sing it?
05:21That's right.
05:22That's amazing.
05:23What an incredible and relevant career.
05:27And what I love about Los Tigres,
05:28and that's why we're here today,
05:30is that it's not a nostalgia career.
05:33It's a career where every step is super,
05:37with what's going on in the world.
05:39Now the lottery is out.
05:41Last night I started watching that video.
05:52I saw it like five times in a row,
05:53and I said,
05:54I'm going to have to sit down with them
05:57and have them analyze me card by card.
06:00Because every card has its own story.
06:03So tell me the story of the lottery.
06:06Well, the lottery,
06:08each of the cards says
06:11what is currently happening in our lives.
06:14Because life is like the lottery.
06:19Each of the cards' reflections,
06:22in this case, for example,
06:25Catherine.
06:27Catherine is the one who promises everything to the people.
06:30Ah, the politician.
06:31The politician.
06:33God.
06:34The one who promises everything,
06:37and sometimes nothing comes true.
06:39So she tells the story,
06:43as the lottery card presents the character.
06:49And that's what we've been going through
06:52in recent years,
06:54and for many years.
06:56But lately,
06:57each of the characters
07:00we've been telling
07:03and describing
07:05coincides with our daily lives,
07:08with what we experience
07:11in our Mexican Republic
07:14and other countries in the world.
07:16It's not just in Mexico.
07:19Well, now that you've opened the door,
07:22I have to ask about the devil's card.
07:25The devil's card?
07:27The devil, in this case,
07:29is Trump.
07:31I didn't realize until I saw the video,
07:35and suddenly I was like, wow.
07:37Yes, you were telling us, Leila,
07:40that when you heard the song,
07:42you didn't get into the characters
07:44until you saw the video.
07:46And I think...
07:48I mean, you have to see that video.
07:50Yes, you have to see it.
07:52If it gets 100 million views,
07:54it's because of this interview.
07:55Yes, of course.
07:57If it gets 100 million views,
07:59it's because of the video
08:01that Sergio Arau made for us,
08:03the one with the bullet, right?
08:05Yes.
08:07And that video got 100 million views
08:09a long time ago.
08:11So, I think that the devil's card,
08:13we used to have it more...
08:16it was more visible,
08:19who it was,
08:21and for certain things
08:23that the company said,
08:25we stopped this, right?
08:27So, I think that's how people
08:29wanted to take it, but yes,
08:31if you see the video,
08:33apart from listening to the song,
08:35you realize everything that has happened
08:37here in the United States
08:39with this president.
08:41They have taken him to court,
08:43although it has never been known
08:45what he has paid,
08:47or the sentences,
08:49or what they have imposed on him to pay.
08:51It seems like nothing happens, right?
08:53So, I think the lottery
08:55has begun to denounce
08:57this kind of things,
08:59and I think that,
09:01apart from that deck,
09:03that card,
09:05almost all the ones that come out
09:07go according to what the verses
09:09of the song say.
09:11And what is very important
09:13about this song is that
09:15we had it there a long time ago.
09:17A long time ago is how long?
09:19More than a year and a half ago
09:21I think we had it there,
09:22but we had not taken it out
09:24for the same reason,
09:26because it was like,
09:28as we said,
09:30it is not the time to take it out right now.
09:32And suddenly things have happened
09:34that the song speaks
09:36like what is happening right now.
09:39So, I think we have hit it,
09:41but interesting things have happened to us,
09:44because previously,
09:46when we took out the camellia,
09:48there were no races on the radio,
09:50nor publicly,
09:52and then we took out
09:54the gray truck,
09:56which is also the story of a woman,
09:58the song is called Inés,
10:00which was also a very important song,
10:02and then the chief of chiefs came out,
10:04it is as if every so often
10:06we are taking out something
10:08that is happening at that moment,
10:10and I think that now the lottery
10:12also reflects that,
10:14what is happening.
10:16Luciano Luna, who is a great friend
10:18and a great composer,
10:19comes up with this idea,
10:21and I think that
10:23when you are present
10:25where the movement is happening,
10:27and you are involved with society,
10:29both in Mexico and in the United States,
10:31which is our country of origin,
10:33you realize really
10:35what is happening with your people,
10:37and I think that we,
10:39the song arrives,
10:41but also obviously
10:43when we listened to it,
10:45it seemed to us that it needed certain things,
10:47and we gave some tips there,
10:49and the song was very well done,
10:51very well told,
10:53let's say so,
10:55with each of the letters,
10:57and it was very natural,
10:59I also think that the songs
11:01have to bring that,
11:03if you fix them too much,
11:05it is as if they lose that charm,
11:07and the song was already coming,
11:09it was coming very well,
11:11it was coming talking about all that metaphor
11:13through the letters,
11:15of what is happening to our society,
11:17and not just,
11:19it is our second home,
11:21that all of Central America,
11:23Argentina, Bolivia, Chile,
11:25all the countries now in Spain.
11:27What I like about La Lotería
11:29is that it is a song
11:31that each person,
11:33what you are saying,
11:35can identify with it in their own way,
11:37because it is not a corridor
11:39that narrates a story,
11:41it is full of metaphors,
11:43but I, reading it,
11:45I saw this series again
11:47that Jorge was telling you,
11:49I was watching the movie,
11:51that says,
11:53no one decides where they are born,
11:55he says this in a immigration court,
11:57this is a series that was made
11:59five years ago,
12:01our place of birth
12:03is decided by destiny,
12:05you were born here,
12:07I was born there,
12:09what divides us?
12:11The border is an idea
12:13created by the fortunate,
12:15today you are sitting
12:17in the seat of the fortunate,
12:19but remember
12:21who put it there,
12:23destiny put it there.
12:25It is a personal need
12:27and since destiny
12:29takes you,
12:31destiny is a lottery,
12:33it is the lottery,
12:35destiny, for example,
12:37right now that you were reading me,
12:39I go back to my town,
12:41I was born in Rosa Morada,
12:43Mocorito, Sinaloa,
12:45and suddenly destiny
12:47took me to San Jose, California,
12:49and there we are.
12:51This album has some
12:53very light songs
12:55and it has some
12:57very heavy songs,
12:59when I say heavy,
13:01there are some heavy songs,
13:03there is one called
13:05Things of Destiny,
13:07which is about divorce.
13:09In this case,
13:11the children do not know
13:13how they can end up,
13:15in this case it is a divorce,
13:17the children end up badly,
13:19the father
13:21is still interested in taking care
13:23and taking his son to have fun,
13:25either a park, a cinema,
13:27or anywhere,
13:29and of course he misses him
13:31or misses him a lot
13:33when it's time to sleep,
13:35as the song says,
13:37and I think that is part of destiny,
13:39we never know
13:41how we are going to end up
13:43as a couple or as human beings.
13:45If I want to ask you,
13:47there is a very romantic song
13:49where this vein,
13:51although I know there is always
13:53something useful,
13:55but this one is very romantic,
13:57what was the mood
13:59to include this song
14:01in a setlist?
14:03Yes.
14:05Complex.
14:07This song from a while ago
14:09was composed by the composer
14:11of La Fantasía,
14:13which is a song that has been
14:15very successful with Los Tigres,
14:17which is sung by Jorge,
14:19who is the son of a person
14:21that his girlfriend just left him,
14:23but that he already got a date
14:25with a more beautiful girl,
14:27just as it should be, right?
14:29I don't know.
14:31It doesn't mean that he did it before,
14:33so it says that he goes out well bathed,
14:35well perfumed for his date
14:37and that he also leaves the bed ready
14:39just in case he comes back accompanied.
14:41Just in case he comes back accompanied.
14:43He is very optimistic.
14:45Those are the ones who like the song.
14:47He is very optimistic.
14:49Luis, what do you think?
14:51You know that now,
14:53with all the social networks,
14:55one has to be more open-minded.
14:57Okay.
14:59But are you married, Luis?
15:01Yes, but well,
15:03you have to propose love
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26:19in one of his conferences and it caught my attention.
26:21If you want to know the history of Mexico,
26:25you have to take a look at the musical discography
26:27of Los Tigres del Toro.
26:29Now, I want to ask you,
26:31have you ever been called by the new generation
26:34to tell them, we want to record with you,
26:37or that they advise us?
26:39Have you had that kind of approach?
26:41Yes, there are many colleagues who have wanted to do things,
26:46but we always look for the songs.
26:51What song can we sing?
26:53What can we do together?
26:55What kind of song?
26:56That makes sense.
26:58What message are we going to send to the public together?
27:02I mean, if I can do it alone, send a message,
27:07but what can I do with you to make it different?
27:10And when you ask those questions,
27:13the answers don't come.
27:16Ah, okay.
27:18There are two hot topics.
27:20One is the corridos,
27:21precisely because there are all these actions of the government.
27:25And the second, of course, is immigration.
27:27Now, as you have been more with the corridos,
27:31let's tell the facts,
27:33with immigration, I do feel, I don't feel,
27:36I see Los Tigres have a position
27:39and their position is pro-immigrant rights.
27:42I wouldn't say it's pro-immigration,
27:44because that's not it.
27:45No.
27:45It's talking about the dignity of the immigrant, right?
27:49Especially because you were immigrants.
27:51Yes, I think it's not about immigration directly.
27:55It's about the dignity of the human being,
27:59about how we all have rights and how we are treated.
28:04And sometimes, like everything,
28:07sometimes there are people who behave in one way
28:09and we behave in another.
28:12But I think the right that we musically take
28:17is to talk about the things that happen to the immigrant.
28:23In 1969, we made a song called Viva Los Mojados.
28:28Because we are illegal and we don't speak English.
28:34Yes, I remember.
28:35Since then, that song,
28:37we never re-record it again,
28:40but that song says exactly what we are living right now.
28:44We are talking about 1969.
28:46Nothing has changed.
28:47Nothing has changed.
28:48Nothing has changed.
28:49And it caught my attention that in the lottery,
28:52you took the card of the devil,
28:57it's President Trump,
29:00who is someone that I have noticed
29:01that very few Latino artists are criticizing him.
29:05Everyone is a little quiet.
29:07Why haven't you wanted to be quiet on this occasion?
29:11Well, I think we try to decipher.
29:14We decipher, in this case,
29:18the composer deciphers it, we sing it.
29:22Luciano deciphers that phrase,
29:24which we found very interesting,
29:27because when he made that song,
29:32what was currently happening in real life was not happening yet.
29:38He imagined it.
29:40Okay.
29:41So when this happens,
29:45we couldn't believe that he had written it.
29:48That what he had anticipated was happening.
29:51So I said,
29:53two years before,
29:55a year and a half,
29:56that we have the song.
29:59And this happens later.
30:02It was known.
30:03I imagine that he heard some news
30:07that they were going to take him to court,
30:08but they hadn't taken him to court yet.
30:12So we're talking about Trump being taken to court
30:15before he was elected.
30:17And now that he's elected
30:18and he's trying to pass so many migratory policies
30:22to actively kick people out,
30:25are you seeing a reaction in your audience?
30:28Well, at first,
30:32going back to what Jorge is saying about Trump,
30:37when this situation happened after the elections,
30:43that Trump came to power,
30:45and in a week he was already talking.
30:49In addition, his campaign was always referring to that,
30:51that he was going to kick him out.
30:53It must be said, it was consequential.
30:55It wasn't that it was,
30:56but he said he was going to do that,
31:00but no one believed he was going to do that.
31:02No one believed it.
31:03But in this case,
31:05I think that all the things he brought up later,
31:11I think that a president,
31:13it doesn't have to be Trump,
31:14I think that any president,
31:16and especially in the United States,
31:17because this is where everyone wants to come.
31:19In the United States,
31:21you have to accept that from any country,
31:24especially us from Mexico,
31:27Central America, South America,
31:30those of us who don't have a way of living in our country,
31:32the first thing we think of is going to the North,
31:35to the United States.
31:36And almost all Hispanics have a relative
31:38or a friend in the United States.
31:41That's the reality.
31:42Yes, so I think that's the reality,
31:44but the president,
31:48this is more notorious because it has spread more and more,
31:53but all presidents have almost done the same, right?
31:56But you have to have a good heart,
31:59apart from the laws,
32:00because if Trump were known for a good heart,
32:05then maybe he wouldn't want to do all these things
32:11that he's doing,
32:11but the changes in the law,
32:12each time he makes changes in the law,
32:15that is, he looks for anything from the year of the 800s
32:22to say this law protects this and we are going to do this.
32:27So I think you have to have a good heart,
32:30apart from being a president,
32:32you have to have a good heart,
32:34because as you said from the beginning,
32:37we don't know where we are born right now,
32:38this that he wants to do,
32:40that if you are the son of an illegal,
32:43he is going to send you to the country of the origin of your parents.
32:46Imagine.
32:47So all that has a lot to do with love too,
32:51that is, it has to go to consciousness, right?
32:55I mean, he will be a person who has been like that all his life,
32:59yes, but if there is no love,
33:03then the world also,
33:05the powers of the world,
33:07if they don't have love,
33:08then the world is going to end in wars, in conflicts.
33:11Now we, I live here in Miami,
33:15we are in a Mexican restaurant,
33:18you live in San Jose,
33:20which is also a city with a large Mexican population,
33:24but many people in the United States live in cities
33:26that are not so diverse
33:30and perhaps do not know immigrants.
33:33What would you like people to know,
33:35people who are very unaware of immigration,
33:39what would you like to tell them about immigrants?
33:42Like your families at the time,
33:44many years ago when you first arrived.
33:45Well, the message that we have been sending
33:49also through our songs,
33:51and that is what we always tell people
33:53when we have to go to talks,
33:55when we have to go with an association,
33:58with foundations to talk about the topic of immigration,
34:02that the message is very clear,
34:03most of the people who come to this country,
34:05from other countries,
34:06simply come to seek a better life
34:08and I think that we, for many years,
34:12Latinos have been the fundamental basis
34:15of the growth of this country,
34:16because the work that Latinos do in the United States
34:21has not been done by anyone else.
34:22I think that for many years that has been our work
34:27and then through education,
34:29through the second, third generations,
34:32we have been educating and trying to grow,
34:35becoming citizens, going out to vote.
34:37I think the most important thing for us
34:41is that part and sending that message
34:42that we must continue to grow as the minority,
34:47which is now the majority in this country,
34:50where we have to educate ourselves
34:51and we have to instill in those who come,
34:54to those who can become citizens,
34:55and to the new generations to go out and vote
34:57and to know our roots.
34:59Because I think that from there also comes
35:01a lot of what is sung now,
35:03a lot of what is lived now is precisely for that.
35:06This new generation is suddenly lost in that space
35:10where we are not, as a song by Los Tigres says,
35:12which was recorded on the album El Jefe de Jefes,
35:14neither here nor there.
35:15So I think that when you manage to find your root,
35:19when you manage to understand why you are,
35:22it is much easier to send that message.
35:24We know it because each one, at the time,
35:27was illegal in this country,
35:28because we have very marked family bases,
35:33the values, and that has been transmitted
35:37over time to each one of us
35:38and to those who also come in the family,
35:42but I think that sending that message to the people out there,
35:45to those who know very little about what we are as immigrants,
35:51I think it would be worth it
35:53to take a look at everything that is around you
35:55and to realize that this is the workforce
36:00that has raised the United States for many years.
36:02Yes.
36:03Now Los Tigres, at this point,
36:07with millions and millions and millions and millions of views
36:11and streams and concerts and albums,
36:15could you really retire?
36:18Of course.
36:19Why not?
36:21I think time will tell.
36:24As soon as we decide that we are no longer interested
36:31in being in this business,
36:33while the group is still motivated,
36:37we all want to move forward.
36:41We have the desire to keep doing new things
36:44and whenever that exists,
36:46there is always that love to do things.
36:49And we are here precisely for that,
36:52for love, for love of art,
36:54for love of what we have done over the years.
36:58We have met since the beginning, since we were children.
37:04We said that we would be together until God separates us.
37:07Really?
37:08Did you make a blood pact?
37:12Yes, we said that we would be together until God separates us.
37:18Then the time will come when we want to be in each one's area.
37:25Jorge, and you have never had a crisis,
37:27because you must fight from time to time, right?
37:30Or not fight, but have a discussion.
37:33And what do you do?
37:34What is the system so that you can fight,
37:38vent and come back?
37:41Do you leave the studio, take a 15-day break?
37:45What is the system or is there no system?
37:47Well, I think that...
37:49I speak personally.
37:52I speak personally, I tell them to shut up and continue.
37:57It's just that we all have different opinions, right?
38:04Of course.
38:05And then, like everything,
38:07but from those opinions, there is brotherhood,
38:11there is the why.
38:14If we have a problem, something happened that was not good,
38:17why did it happen?
38:18So, we have to do the analysis of why things happen.
38:22And they do it, they sit like that.
38:24But like at a table with tequila?
38:27No, no, no.
38:30We talk honestly.
38:34What's going on?
38:34What did I do?
38:36What did I do to you?
38:37How did I tell you?
38:38Why did I tell you?
38:39If I'm right or not, then tell me.
38:43Wow, really?
38:45That's part of it, that also those of us who make mistakes,
38:50we must recognize that we make mistakes
38:53and that we can achieve the maximum of a mistake.
38:58If I have a mistake with them,
38:59and they know that I had a mistake,
39:02and they tell me,
39:03I prepare myself to make that mistake that I made better,
39:07to make it big, positively.
39:09A very important point is that here we do not believe in ourselves
39:14artistically or as brothers,
39:18because he is more than us or that they are more than the other.
39:21I think that respect that Jorge speaks is also included there,
39:25because here there is no reason for most groups to separate,
39:32because the other one wins more or because the other one is more focused,
39:38gives more image.
39:39Here we are all the same,
39:42and you don't have to say,
39:45for example, here you can see the performances of us,
39:48if I sing a song,
39:50I get the main place,
39:54because I am the one who is singing and he is singing,
39:57that is, everyone.
39:58I love that the voice is distributed.
40:00So I think that this is also something that makes us feel safe about ourselves
40:05and that also makes us feel that we are important in Los Tigres.
40:09I think there are many little things that make Los Tigres del Norte Los Tigres del Norte
40:15I think one of them is one of the most important.
40:19Look what we have brought you.
40:21Oh my God!
40:22Get up Jorge so I can show you.
40:23Yes, please, you can stand up.
40:25Here everyone was splendid.
40:27The gift.
40:28Look, we brought you this.
40:30Oh no, what a beauty.
40:31There it is.
40:32No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
40:35No, what a divine thing.
40:38It is made especially for him.
40:40It is made especially for me.
40:43There it is.
40:43Should I wear it?
40:44Yes, of course.
40:47This jacket is similar to the video of El Diablo Taucencia,
40:51only this one is in color.
40:52El Diablo Taucencia.
40:54Wow!
40:56In fact, I will wear it for my next concert in Los Tigres del Norte.
40:59It goes with the boots.
41:00Look at the beautiful boots.
41:02Take the boots.
41:03How amazing.
41:04What a beauty.
41:06I'm going to put it in the closet so you can see.
41:10I used to dream of a jacket from Los Tigres del Norte.
41:14There it is.
41:15I always said, I want to dress like Los Tigres del Norte.
41:18Like this?
41:19Should I open it?
41:20No, but from behind, yes, but well, so that it opens the arms.
41:24Like this?
41:25Like this.
41:26There.
41:27As if I were on stage, as if I were Jorge.
41:30Come on, come on.
41:31Like this.
41:32Beautiful.
41:34Thank you very much.