The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 4
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00:00Make a coffee.
00:00♪ Can't wait till I see you again ♪
00:05I'm the luckiest guy, set up from day one.
00:08Cameron's my boyfriend.
00:09He seriously is the best.
00:10Me and Cameron's connection is a lot different
00:12than me and my ex's,
00:13because I feel like he genuinely sees me
00:15and cares for how I feel in every situation.
00:18And I'm just so grateful for him that he came into my life.
00:22This place is so cute.
00:23Some soda, ice cream, shakes.
00:26I'm trying to make a shake.
00:28That looks so good, actually.
00:30Is that beer?
00:31Should I try it, first time?
00:32You should try it for the first time.
00:33I still can't believe you've never tried it once in your life.
00:35I've never tasted it.
00:37Cameron's dad is a bishop,
00:38so his family is very strong in the church,
00:40which makes him a bit conservative
00:41when it comes to certain things.
00:43I don't know, I'm not intrigued.
00:44You said you do freaking need gummies, so.
00:47Well, I never said I would.
00:48You did!
00:49I said, like, if I'm gonna try it,
00:51I'm not gonna smoke.
00:52But if I was gonna try it,
00:53I would do an edible over smoking.
00:56I think we should try it.
00:58And then you're gonna get the munchies and it's so fun.
01:01Things are going really great with Cameron.
01:03I feel like our sex life is good,
01:05but I've still yet to experience an orgasm with a partner.
01:08That's something that I really want for myself,
01:10but something that's kind of ingrained in our church
01:13that you're not really supposed to enjoy sex
01:15until you're married.
01:16And I think that that put a constant shame in my head
01:18around sex in general.
01:20It's definitely something that I need to work on
01:22and work through.
01:23Dad being a bishop is so much responsibility in the church.
01:25And like, that's just how I grew up.
01:27So much of everything that was against the church,
01:30like weed and drinking and stuff,
01:31we just never talked about it.
01:32It was just, don't do it or don't,
01:34or do this or don't do this.
01:36I don't necessarily think Cameron's family
01:38has any hard feelings about me being in mom talk,
01:42but Cameron's only really dated
01:44very strong members of the church,
01:45girls that are very active.
01:47And I'm definitely the opposite of that.
01:49So maybe they have their reservations in some way.
01:51So your parents don't know that you have sex and stuff?
01:55Mm-mm.
01:55The significance of having sex before you get married
01:58is obviously a big deal.
01:59So they'll figure it out eventually.
02:00Or if they ask me about it, I'd be open and tell them.
02:02Would you?
02:03You wouldn't lie?
02:04Mm-mm.
02:05Do you feel pressure about me and making me orgasm?
02:11Yeah, obviously, of course.
02:13Because it's like, well, yeah, of course I do.
02:14At this point, I'm gonna die
02:15without having to lift a guy.
02:17Ha ha ha.
02:17Yeah.
02:21♪ Come ye saints and come ye sinners ♪
02:25♪ Alleluia ♪
02:29♪ Listen now, I'm the one you've been dreaming of ♪
02:35♪ I've got everything you could ever want ♪
02:38♪ Try me and you'll see, I'll bring you to your knees ♪
02:42♪ Baby, you're gonna believe ♪
02:45♪ Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey
03:15♪ We don't need anybody to dance all night and night until the morning
03:22Those boots are cute. Thanks.
03:24Today I'm grabbing brunch with Mikayla and Taylor and I'm really excited to catch up.
03:28I know that Taylor has been going through a lot with her relationship with Dakota
03:31and Mikayla has been on a journey with therapy
03:33and so I'm really excited to get together with them and just chat.
03:36You gonna take over?
03:37Yeah.
03:38But considering everything that has happened with the Halloween party, I'm worried.
03:42Oh my goodness, this is so nice.
03:44Maybe you should sit on the entee so that you can put him.
03:47Yeah.
03:49Thank you, Rachel.
03:50You're welcome.
03:51How do you know her name?
03:52I don't know.
03:53She has a name tag and I just met her.
03:54Is that your new friend?
03:55Thank you, Rachel.
03:57Are you gonna add her into the group chat too?
03:59Shut up.
04:00You can play Flitney.
04:02I approve.
04:03I am, like, lagging today.
04:05Like, Dakota, have you talked to him at all after the party?
04:08Well, yeah, I made sure he was okay.
04:09Dakota, I was worried about that when you turned off.
04:12I do worry about him.
04:13Like, obviously, when you have a past like that, like, that's like life or death for people.
04:17So it's like, I checked up on him.
04:20That's good.
04:23Since the Halloween party, Miranda and I are cordial, but Dakota and I are currently in a fight.
04:28Things are just getting worse and worse.
04:29And honestly, I do worry about Dakota's sobriety with recovering addicts.
04:34You never know.
04:35And so I think I'll always worry about that.
04:37My heart is closed at this point.
04:39But there's no question that I feel so strongly about him.
04:43I was like, you embarrass us both.
04:45Oh, yeah.
04:46Chase, like, just pointing, like, literally so close to your face and so aggressively pointing at you.
04:50Like, every husband probably would have lost it there.
04:53Well, I was like, the fact that they all saw it except you is, like, embarrassing.
04:57And Chase has done a lot more to you than he's done to any of us too.
05:00He just, like, didn't want to hear it.
05:01But I'm like, I'm like, I'm just, I have nothing to say.
05:05There's no more words for it, honestly.
05:08I know, but you still talk.
05:09Like, and fight.
05:10Like, you're together.
05:14Yeah.
05:14He doesn't feel done unless it's, like, strictly, like, about ever.
05:17Like, hey, like, when are you picking him up?
05:19Just, like, separate and take care of your baby.
05:22I don't know.
05:22That's what I'm saying.
05:23I think you two have to work on yourselves and by yourselves without each other at all.
05:27I feel like it's been sort of done, to be honest.
05:30If he were to go on a date with someone, wouldn't you be pissed?
05:33If you're going on a date during all of this, you're not my person at all.
05:37Like, thank you.
05:38So you're still considering being together?
05:41I mean, I don't have, like, I just don't have words for it.
05:43I don't know.
05:44Like, I can't say, yes, I'm done with Dakota forever or I want to be with him right now.
05:48Like, I just don't, I don't know.
05:52Taylor and Dakota are in a really bad place right now.
05:55It is so toxic.
05:57It's like oil and water.
05:59I understand, like, you want to make it work with the person you have a baby with, but I just don't see it working out.
06:03I get confused.
06:04I guess what I'm saying is I'm not focusing on that.
06:06Like, I need to, I have so much work to do.
06:08I have my kids to focus on.
06:10I need to be present with them.
06:11I need to go to therapy and heal, like, my inner issues because I'm also so, like, messed up.
06:17When everyone's like, let it go, let it go, or, like, do this, do that.
06:19And it's like, my brain is, like, fucked.
06:21Like, it's, like, fucked up.
06:23When I go into therapy, I'm like, I feel crazy because it's the same thing.
06:27And she's like, it's not crazy because you're in, like, trauma and you have PTSD, so it doesn't matter.
06:31It's going to always be there until we fix it.
06:33Yeah.
06:34And rewire your brain, so.
06:35Yeah.
06:36But it is possible, though.
06:37Yes.
06:38It's like.
06:39This is work in progress.
06:40And I'm tired of everyone being like, and we're exhausted.
06:42Well, guess what?
06:43Me too.
06:44Yeah.
06:45So, it's going to take a while to heal it.
06:47Yeah.
06:48I have some really deep issues of self-worth.
06:53I felt like my real dad not wanting anything to do with me, my guilt for the swinging scandal, it makes me feel like trash.
07:01And now Dakota kind of brought it out and exploded it, but it's deeper than Dakota and what he did.
07:07When I am betrayed, it just confirms my beliefs about myself.
07:11I feel like you guys are never on the same page, and so I feel like you're both trying to validate your feelings to each other, but you can't do it.
07:20I think Taylor and Dakota's relationship is kind of already detrimental to Taylor's health and mental well-being.
07:26He's been deceitful and lying to you and gaslighting you for the last two years.
07:30But now that she has a baby, I understand that it adds a difficult dynamic.
07:34I just want her to be healthy, and I want her to have a healthy relationship.
07:38We were supposed to have therapy on Monday together, but I don't know if he'll show up.
07:42I'm going because she's my, like, psychiatrist regardless.
07:45But if he was supposed to be there, but if he, I don't know if he'll come, but I don't, I'll be there regardless.
07:49I don't know.
07:51All right.
07:53We can talk about something else.
07:55Yeah.
07:57Well, expect.
07:59What is that on my head?
08:01It's still there.
08:03Get it out.
08:05Stop it.
08:07It's just a ladybug.
08:09Oh, my gosh.
08:11Well, it, like, is stuck to my head.
08:14No one's marriage is perfect.
08:16You know what I forgot to tell you guys?
08:18What?
08:20A few months ago, I got, like, two confessions on Sinner Sunday.
08:24Wait.
08:26Well, I always get ones about you, but this is not what I'm talking about.
08:28But it said,
08:30I slept with Denise's husband last year while she was away.
08:35Sinner Sunday is something that I started a couple years ago where I just wanted to have a little bit of fun.
08:40I have people write in anonymous confessions,
08:42and they're usually really juicy,
08:44and then I post them on the story of that page for everyone to see.
08:46Yeah, that's not true.
08:48To me, it doesn't go a day away from Brett, so.
08:50Besides the girls' trip we did in June.
08:52Nothing would surprise me anymore.
08:54We have learned there is truth to the confessions on Sinner Sunday.
08:58There are.
09:00With the Dakota and Taylor situation,
09:02a lot of things ended up coming out that were true.
09:04Demi and Brett might have cracks that they don't share with everybody.
09:06No relationship is perfect.
09:09We can talk about Jen and Zach.
09:11I was just going to ask Marti about Jen and Zach, but I guess we don't know.
09:13They were doing their trial living.
09:15When I talked to Jen, she's like,
09:17Oh my gosh, we're so much better.
09:19No, like he's totally allowing me to be myself.
09:21Allowing you to be yourself.
09:23That's what, it's the allowing.
09:25He's allowing me.
09:27I'm like, how thoughtful of him.
09:29He's grown so much.
09:39Finding out that I'm pregnant was very stressful.
09:41I don't want to tell anyone that I'm pregnant
09:43just because there's still tension in the air.
09:45What's hard for me is Zach left med school
09:47so I can be part of mom talk.
09:49It's been very hard to talk to the girls
09:51about everything that I'm going through.
09:53And so it's been nice having Miranda.
09:55She's the only person right now
09:57that has been able to talk to me
09:59about everything that I'm going through.
10:01And so it's been nice having Miranda.
10:03She's the only person right now
10:05that has been able to talk to me
10:07and she's the only person right now
10:09that has validated me.
10:11Go outside and wait.
10:13Are they heading to Chase's?
10:15Chase's.
10:17She's so cute.
10:19Is that hard?
10:21Like, co-parenting?
10:23It's definitely difficult,
10:25but there hasn't been a day
10:27where I've felt like it wasn't the right decision.
10:29Really?
10:31It hasn't been easy,
10:33but it's been easier than staying married was.
10:35When did it hit you
10:37that it was time to, like...
10:39Split?
10:41Yeah.
10:43I can't remember if it was an argument we had or something
10:45and I was just like,
10:47I'm done.
10:49And then I just...
10:51It literally was like a switch flipped in my brain.
10:53And then I just remember feeling
10:55so much more calm.
10:57Yeah, I'm very much...
10:59I'm so much happier now.
11:01But I was going to ask how you're doing.
11:03To be honest,
11:05I'm not okay right now.
11:07I'm, like, trying,
11:09like,
11:11so hard not to, like...
11:13I'm sorry.
11:15I hate crying.
11:17Don't be sorry.
11:19Don't be sorry.
11:21I'm so sorry.
11:23I just...
11:25genuinely feel, like,
11:27so alone right now.
11:29My marriage and...
11:31and all the girls.
11:33I feel for Jen.
11:35I've been there.
11:37And it is rough.
11:39All of the things
11:41that Jen has gone through
11:43and where she's at now,
11:45I think she's kind of...
11:47She's hitting a breaking point.
11:49The more she opens up,
11:51the more I'm realizing
11:53that maybe she's not receiving
11:55the support that she needs.
11:57In mom talk right now,
11:59with Zach, I think there are
12:01some red flags for sure.
12:03And, yeah, it might be best for her to go.
12:05But if she doesn't feel like it's the best
12:07thing for her,
12:09she needs to be supported in that journey.
12:11I just feel like these girls,
12:13specifically Demi and Jessie,
12:15continue to put me in these, like,
12:17uncomfortable situations.
12:19And if I do struggle in my relationship,
12:21I feel like I can't go to them.
12:23Because I feel like they already have this, like,
12:25narrative in their head.
12:27I want to continue
12:29being a part of, like,
12:31mom talk, but also I know it's,
12:33like, really, really hard for Zach,
12:35and I feel like it's hurting our marriage.
12:37You should not have to feel like that.
12:39I'm very
12:41worried and stressed out because
12:43bringing in another human
12:45into this life
12:47is
12:49a lot.
12:51I feel like I'm definitely
12:53in the midst of
12:55spiritual warfare
12:57where I'm just doubting everything.
12:59And I feel like
13:01lost. I'm not sure if I want
13:03to be in the marriage anymore.
13:05And I definitely
13:07think that it is
13:09a wake-up call for me to really
13:11figure out what I want
13:13for this baby.
13:15What's really conflicting right now is
13:17since
13:19Vegas and everything, I feel like
13:21I've distanced myself
13:23from, like, church.
13:25I feel like I've kind of, like,
13:27also distanced myself from God.
13:29And it's made it, like,
13:31really hard for me
13:33to, like, know what's best for me.
13:35And
13:37it's just hard
13:39because, like, my relationship with God
13:41is, like, everything.
13:43And I, like, feel like He's, like,
13:45quiet right now.
13:47I'm just, like,
13:49praying to God. I'm, like,
13:51praying to God to lead me to, like, what I need to do.
13:53Like, I want to do what's best for me
13:55and my kids.
13:57And, like, my marriage.
14:01In order to have this
14:03child right now,
14:05there's a lot of things I know I need to
14:07work through. I don't even know what I
14:09believe in.
14:11And what I'm...
14:15What my
14:17current
14:19purpose is.
14:31Suspect only carries credit cards that say
14:33Jason Stiles on them.
14:35Suspect is looking for a girl half his age.
14:39There he is.
14:41What's up, boys?
14:43Oh, wait, Brett, no. Hold on.
14:45Oh.
14:49Oops.
14:51Brett, that's where the balls come out.
14:59You guys are still young enough. You don't need to stretch, huh?
15:03So today I invited Jordan
15:05and Brett to go golfing.
15:07Just wanted to talk to them after what happened
15:09at the Halloween party and kind of their role
15:11in the Chippendales dancing
15:13and just confront them
15:15for what happened.
15:18Should we do a little long drive?
15:20Yeah, you guys want to do some betting?
15:22I'm just kidding.
15:24Hey, too soon, man.
15:27I hate to
15:29interrupt the golfing. I did want to
15:31come here today and just talk to you guys about some stuff.
15:33Yeah. I just wanted to talk to you guys
15:35about like the Halloween situation.
15:37I've already sat down with Demi
15:39and Jesse and I kind of told them where
15:41I was at with, you know, respecting our
15:43relationship and they've chosen not to
15:45but that is what it is.
15:47I have hope that moving forward I can
15:49have a good relationship with these guys.
15:51At the end of the day, I have nothing against them.
15:53I think they're great guys.
15:55I think they're great husbands.
15:57I know you guys didn't have any bad intent
15:59but I still think it was a little bit
16:01disrespectful but mostly just like insensitive.
16:03Man to man,
16:05like if you guys did respect me
16:07or you guys did support my relationship,
16:09you guys could have let me know.
16:11Jordan, I feel like we're
16:13pretty close and I feel like
16:15Brett, I've expressed to you that
16:17I look up to you. I mean,
16:19clearly you guys knew. It's not like you just
16:21slipped your mind. I'm super
16:23traditional. It's just who I am.
16:25Ten minutes earlier, you guys
16:27were both out almost physically
16:29assaulting someone over
16:31them physically assaulting his wife.
16:33For sure. And I stand by that.
16:35I'll never walk away from that
16:37in my entire life because the way I was raised
16:39is you don't ever put a hand on a woman.
16:41You just did the same thing right after.
16:43So hear me out. I didn't touch Jen.
16:45Okay.
16:47If you want to be petty, I can be petty with you.
16:49I'm doing this in a respectful way.
16:51I watched the whole situation.
16:53What Chase did is he went up to me and touched
16:55her without consent in a condescending way.
16:57What you guys did was touch
16:59my wife without consent in a condescending way.
17:01Same thing.
17:05The thing that I have a tough time with
17:07is that Jen was warned
17:09what the whole bit was.
17:11And she was also told
17:13that you could be included
17:15and she didn't choose to tell you that.
17:17And honestly, there needs to be
17:19accountability on Jen's end for not putting you in the know
17:21because it was said that there was going to be
17:23surprises.
17:27That doesn't mean that I shouldn't have reached
17:29out and definitely try to include you or
17:31invite you into that. I agree with that.
17:33I was under the impression that
17:35you were in the know. That is something Jen and I
17:37have to hash out. And if it later comes out
17:39that she didn't tell me the truth, that's going to
17:41suck. Jen has, again,
17:43sworn on our children's life. This is her story.
17:45I'm going to have to believe her
17:47and I'm going to let her hash that out with
17:49Jessie and Demi. And whatever comes out or if it doesn't,
17:51it is what it is. I just wanted to come
17:53to you guys because I still would have wished
17:55you guys would have told me. I talked
17:57to you that morning. This all comes down
17:59to two things. Intent
18:01and communication.
18:03At the center of it,
18:05Jen might be a little bit of
18:07a moving target. Depending upon
18:09the situation and how
18:11she might be feeling and how she might be feeling,
18:13you might react at certain times.
18:15Her message might change a little bit. There may be
18:17some nuances that change a little bit. I'm just
18:19asking you to be open to that.
18:21And not draw such
18:23hard lines. He said this, she said
18:25this. This is definitive because there is a lot
18:27of moving nuance. Nothing is definitive and it's going to be in the gray
18:29area and I'm just trying to handle it the best I can
18:31and still show up for my wife and
18:33be a good husband. Because I'm telling you man to man,
18:35had I thought for even
18:37one millisecond that this was going
18:39to cause any kind of issue whatsoever
18:41in your marriage, it never would have happened.
18:43Jen and I have been
18:45through a ton in this last year.
18:47A lot of these tough situations
18:49could have been avoided through maybe
18:51better understanding on my part
18:53but maybe a little bit more honest and
18:55straightforward communication
18:57on Jen's part. But as far as
18:59fighting for our marriage, absolutely.
19:01There's no question that it's worth
19:03fighting for and I think we're putting
19:05in the work and it's just going to be a long
19:07process. At the end of the day,
19:09I'd love to continue to golf, have fun. We'd love
19:11to have you come to the dad talk stuff.
19:13Yeah. Can I hear you? Yeah.
19:17Bring it in.
19:19Should we get back to hitting some golf balls
19:21after that? I'm going to have to re-stretch.
19:29I think I have everything.
19:31Shut the door here, I can't.
19:43The last couple weeks have been really hard
19:45but I'm just thankful that Dakota came to our
19:47therapy session. It was a lot about the
19:49Halloween party because it was so triggering.
19:51When you see Chase
19:53treating me this way,
19:55that's when you step in as a man
19:57and be like, you do not talk to her that way.
19:59Back the fuck up.
20:01That's what I would want my man to do for me.
20:03I'm the mother of your child, tell him to back the fuck up.
20:05He said one remark to one of my
20:07friends and the husband immediately was like,
20:09you go fucking apologize to my wife.
20:11If you ever acted like you
20:13wanted anything to do with me.
20:15My ex would have defended me in that situation.
20:19Okay, I know, we're gone.
20:21I feel like the last few years
20:23have actually been the hardest
20:25I feel like I've been insecure
20:27with Dakota. Him thinking certain
20:29things and saying things in my family
20:31saying you didn't respect yourself. I think it just
20:33added and ever since then
20:35it's just been hard to pick back up and feel confident
20:37again. We had a family dinner
20:39we went to. My mom, she's like
20:41everyone is exhausted of hearing the same things
20:43like what is going on and
20:45my dad was like, well, I don't know why you
20:47expected better when you jumped into bed
20:49with him so fast.
20:51There's, I don't know,
20:53there's I
20:55feel like just anger.
20:59In our therapy
21:01session Dakota finally took
21:03a step back and was processing
21:05and I feel like for the first time he was not
21:07only hearing me but he was listening to me.
21:09I don't actually
21:11have an issue with you like
21:13trying to process these things and
21:15like you struggling like I'm
21:17still here. I think the
21:19only thing I've ever actually wanted
21:21is forgiveness
21:23and that's all I need
21:25to where I can actually
21:27like show up for you
21:29and work on those things that you need me to
21:31like show you
21:33and give you that can
21:35help you work through these
21:37things too.
21:39And I'm sorry I failed you.
21:41I really am.
21:43I do feel like we finally
21:45had this mini breakthrough. I feel like I saw
21:47the soft side of Dakota that I
21:49initially fell for. Healing is really
21:51hard because I think it gets really ugly
21:53before it gets pretty.
21:55There's so many great things I love about him and
21:57vice versa like that's why we won't let each
21:59other go because it's like so good
22:01when it's good and
22:03he's upset me, he's hurt me
22:05but I don't think he's failed me.
22:07I think failing is when
22:09it's over and you're done trying. The whole
22:11party thing just sucks like that
22:13really hurts me because
22:15I feel like the one thing I've always
22:17actually been really good at throughout my whole
22:19life is just like having people's back
22:21and like I'd do anything
22:23and so
22:27yeah I just feel like I like screwed
22:29that up and
22:31that sucks.
22:35So where do we go?
22:37Where do we go from here?
22:47Oh
22:49Yeah
22:51Oh
22:53Oh
22:55Oh
22:57Yeah
23:01Layla's definitely gone through some
23:03changes from going through a
23:05divorce to getting her boobs
23:07done but one thing that remains
23:09is that she has yet to have an orgasm
23:11with a partner. Jazzy and I
23:13kind of want to take the pressure off and maybe
23:15inform her on how to achieve that
23:17so we thought of a cute idea
23:19to throw her a sex party.
23:23Hello
23:25Hello. Erica? Yes
23:27So nice to meet you. Nice to meet you as well.
23:29Is this heavy? No it's great.
23:31Are you sure? Yeah. Where would you like me to put it?
23:33In this room. Okay. This is where everyone
23:35will be. Awesome. I love it.
23:37Beautiful. I think there's definitely
23:39some shame that comes along with being
23:41a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
23:43Saints. Unfortunately sex is
23:45a very under talked about topic
23:47and so I think everyone's excited
23:49to learn more and you know
23:51support Layla. Jessie and I found this
23:53sex expert Erica and
23:55I am hoping that she's able
23:57to remove the taboo around sex.
23:59Demi
24:01This is the guest of honor.
24:03Oh my goodness. Okay. Hi. Hello.
24:05Welcome mama.
24:07How are you?
24:09I love Demi.
24:11So cute.
24:13Erica. Hi. Nice to meet you.
24:15Introduce and give all your certification.
24:17She's incredible. So my official
24:19title, certified sex
24:21and relationship coach and board certified
24:23clinical sexologist. Amazing. Oh my gosh.
24:25I'm so excited. This is all for you.
24:27I love it. Cameron
24:29wants me to feel good when we're having sex and
24:31I do feel like the girls are being supportive right now
24:33and trying to help me feel loved
24:35and cared for. That's really something
24:37that I appreciate about this group.
24:39Having sex before I was married, getting pregnant
24:41before I was married. I just have always
24:43felt shame. It's just something that has always been
24:45kind of a cloud over my head
24:47when it comes to sex. Oh, it's out of
24:49a joint. So this is a vulva.
24:51Yeah, we'll talk about this. This is a vulva
24:53puppet. She's pretty.
24:55She's cute.
24:57So we have a wide
24:59range of women coming tonight. Okay.
25:01From very
25:03experienced, like swinging
25:05with multiple partners experience.
25:07Okay. Hi!
25:09Oh my gosh, you look so hot.
25:11And then very
25:13conservative.
25:15I love my cuddle.
25:17There's dog shit right there.
25:19Sexy. Sexy.
25:21Hello.
25:23Ooh.
25:25So I walk into Demi's
25:27Remove the Taboo party
25:29and I'm a little shocked. There's
25:31collars, chains, whips,
25:33butt plugs, dildos. I'm like,
25:35where am I? This is like a sex
25:37shop. I thought this was like, remove
25:39the stigma of sex. But
25:41this seems like a full-on orgy
25:43party. I just want to know
25:45what you guys all think is the most shocking
25:47of all of these. I mean, I feel like I've seen
25:49them all, but like...
25:51Ooh! However, it wouldn't
25:53be a mom talk party without
25:55some kind of drama, so I just feel something
25:57brewing in the air.
25:59Hi!
26:01Look at you. You went all out.
26:03This is you, Taylor.
26:05I love this.
26:07Alright, someone bend over.
26:09My delivery
26:11is here. I forgot it.
26:15No! I forgot it at home,
26:17so I had to see how Jace bring it.
26:19It looks just like me.
26:21It's an ass.
26:23Do you know that your BFF
26:25thinks that I was a mold of her ass?
26:27Is that true? Macy? Yeah.
26:29Who in mom talk has the best ass? Of course
26:31that's me. Just genetics.
26:33She actually used my ass as
26:35inspo for her cake. Oh, please.
26:37I don't have enough cake to mold Macy's ass.
26:39What's
26:41the flavor? Ass.
26:43I'm just kidding. The flavor is
26:45butthole.
26:47Hello!
26:49Oh, look at you!
26:51You look great. Thank you. So do you.
26:53Hello!
26:55How are you?
26:57My hands are literally freezing.
26:59I never thought I would be back at a mom talk
27:01sex party.
27:03Oh my gosh.
27:05No, I did not think I would ever
27:07be at a sex party with Miranda.
27:09But here we are together. Surprise!
27:11Who is the kids tonight? Oh yeah.
27:13Dakota, dad talk?
27:15Yes. Yes, he is. Jordan's like,
27:17I'm really hoping Dakota can lead this
27:19because he's like a TikTok expert.
27:21They're just making TikTok.
27:23I mean, I didn't ask him
27:25much about it. Jordan's like, I don't know how to
27:27ask Dakota.
27:29Okay. Potter, you're in the middle.
27:31Okay.
27:33Click.
27:35So head to the left, right?
27:37This is just a practice. Get ready!
27:39Ready?
27:41Click.
27:43Left. Sorry. Okay.
27:45Here we go. Are you guys ready?
27:47Okay. Here we go. We got this.
27:49The click.
27:51Oh, shit.
27:53Fuck.
27:55How do they get the positioning?
27:57Is it just because they're small?
27:59Here we go.
28:01You're ready.
28:03Click.
28:05Click.
28:07Click.
28:09That's it. Dad talk has been established.
28:11Yes!
28:13We cannot admit to the girls how hard this is.
28:15No, never. Promise.
28:17This was the easiest night of my life.
28:19Promise this stays here.
28:21I'm crying.
28:23We should all grab the one that looks the most like us.
28:25I also need some cheese.
28:27Are you guys good now?
28:29I don't know, honestly. I don't know.
28:31I appreciate her thanking me.
28:33I think we're to a place where our friendship is a little...
28:35Our friendship's better for me.
28:37I guess, coming from my perspective, it's better.
28:39I just, like, don't have answers.
28:41Like, he isn't. Like, I haven't lived with him
28:43for, like, over a month now. Oh, I didn't know that.
28:45Yeah. Where is he?
28:47Uh, apartment. Good.
28:49Good.
28:51Jen here yet, or no?
28:53Oh, I forgot Jen was coming. I think she should be here any minute.
28:55She better be walking in with just full lingerie.
28:57No, Zach won't allow that.
28:59Is he going to dad talk?
29:01Zach? I don't think so.
29:03Does anyone know what's going on with them?
29:05No. Have you learned?
29:07She came over a couple days ago.
29:09Um, we talked,
29:11and I think she's just been...
29:13She was asking a lot of questions about my divorce.
29:15Oh. Interesting.
29:17Like, she was inquiring
29:19about herself almost?
29:21Kind of. Oh, no.
29:23Jen and I's relationship used to be really great,
29:25but now that Jen has isolated herself,
29:27we never hear from her.
29:29It's really sad to me to see how it's fallen
29:31because we did have a really close relationship at one point.
29:33Anyone know how she's feeling about the Chippendales
29:35situation? Do you talk to her about it?
29:37Uh-huh. What did she say?
29:39She wasn't, like, thrilled about it.
29:41She did say, she was like, I know that Demi, like, brought it up.
29:43She's like, I just wish that I would have known, like,
29:45the length of, like, the plan.
29:47Rather than, she didn't know that there was going to be
29:49other people involved, and she didn't know
29:51it was going to be people dancing on her.
29:53Yeah.
29:55It was supposed to be a surprise. Yeah, it was supposed to be.
29:57Honestly, me even giving her a heads up was just like,
29:59hey, I just want to make sure if this is off the table
30:01at all, like, I know this was a heavy time for you,
30:03if it's off the table at all, and she was all for it.
30:05She was like, I love it. That's incredible.
30:07That's the best idea ever.
30:09It's going to come in, like,
30:11normal costume, rip it off
30:13into, like, a Chippendales.
30:15I can't believe Jen knew about it
30:17beforehand. I think it's absurd for Jen
30:19to now say that the prank wasn't okay.
30:21Especially now that we know for a fact that
30:23she told Jesse and Demi that she was completely on board.
30:25The more I hear about Jen recently,
30:27the less I'm starting to believe anything that she says.
30:29She made it sound like it was, like,
30:31this great idea, so I hope she just isn't, like,
30:33harboring more feelings because she tends
30:35to do that. And she did say that she was like, I did
30:37appreciate that Demi brought it up to me at all.
30:39I think she was just like, oh, I just wish that I would have known
30:41a little bit more extent of it.
30:43My life is definitely
30:45in chaos right now
30:47after the Chippendales prank
30:49and with Demi
30:51and Jesse interfering
30:53with mine and Zach's relationship.
30:55It's definitely caused more
30:57conflict between us
30:59and finding out that I'm pregnant
31:01as well as having a bit
31:03of an identity and faith crisis.
31:05I feel
31:07really lost
31:09and I'm hoping showing up tonight
31:11can show them
31:13that I'm really trying to put in that effort.
31:15And hopefully there's
31:17no more drama.
31:19Oh.
31:41Welcome.
31:43You know, I was considering
31:45wearing my Gurmys.
31:47As much as I want to talk to Jen tonight
31:49and I do want to clear the air, I'm looking around
31:51and we've got the sex expert who has
31:53prepared a whole night for us
31:55and everyone's excited to support
31:57Layla and tonight is obviously
31:59about Layla, so that conversation's
32:01unfortunately going to have to wait.
32:03Thank you for coming, everyone. You all look
32:05stunning, sexy, beautiful.
32:07I'd like to introduce you to
32:09I'd like to introduce you to Erica.
32:11She is a sex coach.
32:13Essentially, she is here to
32:15break the taboo.
32:17This remove-the-taboo party is a little
32:19edgy for Mormons, I will say.
32:21However, Mormons are a little bit
32:23freaky, like in marriage.
32:25So, there are
32:27a plethora of items over here, ladies.
32:29If you've been to a sex shop, you know
32:31there's so much more available, right?
32:33The sex shop.
32:35Okay, ladies, I have
32:37a question for each one of you, so I want you
32:39each to answer this, okay?
32:41Taylor, I'm going to start with you. What arouses
32:43you?
32:45The most?
32:47I love, like,
32:49a scenario in my head.
32:51So, some fantasy play? Yes. Okay, that's
32:53awesome. How about for you?
32:55I like dirty talk.
32:57Dirty talk.
32:59I hate dirty talk.
33:01What arouses you, Mikayla?
33:03Oh, I love massage.
33:05And also smell. I feel like smell
33:07is... I don't like sex smell, but
33:09I like deodorant and perfume.
33:11Like, the smell. So, you're a sensual
33:13gal.
33:15I don't know if I got my own sexual trauma next to that.
33:17Layla, how about
33:19for you? Actually
33:21feeling something? I don't know.
33:23I like
33:25seeing, like, my partner.
33:27Like, connection, maybe? Yeah.
33:29When, like, he's enjoying it, then I, like, enjoy it.
33:31Yeah, yeah. What about it for you do you enjoy?
33:33What do you mean?
33:35Like, what about it for you that has nothing to do with him?
33:37What about you, like, feels good?
33:39Are you kidding me?
33:41I'm like, I don't know.
33:43I don't know.
33:45I think the fact that I'm not able to answer the question on what
33:47turns me on is kind of a big revelation
33:49for me. The fact that I can't even
33:51pinpoint what makes me
33:53aroused in a situation, I think, is a really big
33:55red flag. I think that's honestly
33:57maybe contributing to why I'm not
33:59able to enjoy sex fully is because I don't
34:01know what I like and don't like.
34:03We're our first sexual partners, so if
34:05we're not exploring our own bodies to
34:07kind of figure out what we like, what pleases
34:09us, and what doesn't, then how
34:11are we to express that to our partners,
34:13right? We're going to do a little sensation play.
34:15Oh, I feel it. So if you would pair up,
34:17please. I'm at a
34:19swinger party right now. Woo!
34:21So I want you to think
34:23about the most soft touch
34:25that you can give your partner, and then let her
34:27give you feedback on what feels good.
34:29Do you want it harder or softer?
34:31Whatever.
34:33Whatever.
34:35Sure, anything.
34:37So ladies, so what I'm doing
34:39is I'm asking Taylor if she wants it
34:41harder or softer.
34:43Ew, I hate this.
34:45Do you want to be scratched
34:47with it? Oh, I like that. Okay, so she
34:49likes to be scratched with it.
34:51We would hate
34:53that. I know, this was a little too intimate.
34:55McKaylee, are you ready to really bond?
34:59Oh, I don't like that. It feels like there's something curly on my face.
35:01I think when we get in a group,
35:03I think we truly have no boundaries.
35:05I think Macy needs to work on her
35:07feathering techniques, though, because it wasn't
35:09really doing anything for me.
35:11Having to feather
35:13my friends, that sounds so weird.
35:15Having to feather someone, being like, how does that feel?
35:17Ew, I did not like that one bit.
35:19The one thing that happened today that I never
35:21would think about again was definitely
35:23Miranda whipping me with a whip.
35:27It was definitely a little awkward
35:29for sure. I'm so straight, it's
35:31scary. Me too.
35:33This is not
35:35about being straight.
35:37It's just enjoying the feeling of it.
35:39You've kissed girls. I've never kissed a girl.
35:41Yeah, but I am so straight, too. I mean, I didn't
35:43not enjoy it, but it wasn't
35:45a turn-on. I just did it.
35:47It was just fine because you were drunk.
35:49It's not that bad. I mean, Miranda's a great
35:51kisser. I've kissed a lot of girls, actually,
35:53in my life, and Miranda is a good
35:55kisser. But I do feel
35:57like Demi makes these, like, judgmental
35:59jokes where it's like
36:01an underlying message to you, and it's
36:03kind of like a light jab,
36:05but yeah, I do feel like she does that.
36:07Hey, so now, anyone
36:09wanting to be handcuffed
36:11with your ankles and your wrists?
36:13I'll do it, yeah. Sure.
36:15Where do you buy this? Can you buy it on Amazon?
36:17Nope. You can buy everything on Amazon.
36:19I'm like, send me the link.
36:21Didn't think the first time I was getting tied up would be
36:23from a woman, but you know.
36:25Taylor's face. Watch her just like...
36:27I'm just
36:29learning new things. There we go.
36:31Okay. You're gonna let me know
36:33how that feels, okay?
36:35Are you close to orgasming?
36:37Are you okay if I just hit you
36:39very lightly? No. Okay.
36:41And then you're gonna
36:43tell me if you want me to
36:45go a little harder or a little softer.
36:47Give it to me, Dad.
36:49I feel like you need to be the one on here right now.
36:51Close your eyes. Close your eyes.
36:53Sweetheart. Harder or softer?
36:55Harder.
36:57Harder. You like to be
36:59whipped. Yeah.
37:01I think something I took from the sex party is
37:03that I like it hard and rough.
37:05Moving forward, I'm gonna be
37:07more open about trying things in sex
37:09and experimenting and just being more open
37:11in communicating when I'm having sex.
37:13I do feel hopeful that an orgasm
37:15is around the corner. Fingers crossed
37:17that it can happen soon.
37:19Are we gonna eat the ass? Oh, yes!
37:21It's good luck.
37:23Yeah.
37:25Yeah, I like that.
37:27I like that. Sensual.
37:29Now that we've got the sex lesson out of the way,
37:31I think it's the perfect time to
37:33talk to Jen. I definitely want
37:35to talk to her about the whole chip and nail situation.
37:37I want to clear things up and just talk
37:39to her and figure out what went wrong.
37:41How are you and Zach, Jen?
37:43Jen? What? How are you and Zach
37:45doing? Um, we're doing better.
37:47As of right now.
37:49As of today. Good.
37:51Has it been like a long road?
37:53Yeah. Yeah, it's been a lot.
37:55I mean...
37:57Yeah, it's been a lot.
37:59I do feel like, to me,
38:01she likes to talk a lot about projection,
38:03which is very funny because it's like when you're
38:05prying and kind of going at somebody, it's like
38:07a projection thing, so when she brings
38:09up Jen and Zach's relationship, you have to ask
38:11like, what is it? Why do you care about theirs?
38:13I'd love to have a conversation
38:15with all of you.
38:17I'm just trying to figure it out.
38:19Yeah.
38:21As of right now, I'm just keeping it between
38:23Zach and I and that's
38:25what it is.
38:27At this point, I think Jen needs to be held
38:29accountable for all of the lies that are coming out.
38:31We know that they are not related to Ben
38:33Affleck. They're putting chip and nails on me
38:35and to me. I think her feet need to be held
38:37to the fire and she needs to own up to what she's
38:39lied about, take accountability so we can
38:41all move on.
38:43Oh, look, there's little name tags.
38:45Weren't you in charge of the seating thing?
38:47This is not going to work.
38:49What's wrong?
38:51Meet me across from Whitney.
38:53How was that one?
38:55How was that one?
38:57I don't know.
38:59I don't know.
39:01I don't know.
39:03I don't know.
39:05I don't know.
39:07I don't know.
39:09I don't know.
39:11Meet me across from Whitney.
39:13How would that not work?
39:15My two best friends.
39:17Tonight, I have invited all the girls
39:19out to dinner because I have super exciting
39:21news. I got a book deal
39:23less than a year ago. I launched Baby Mama
39:25and it was an amazing experience
39:27and now my book is about
39:29my life story because it is
39:31very traumatic, crazy
39:33and unconventional, especially for like a Mormon.
39:35This has been a goal of mine since
39:372015 and I just wanted to use my voice to help
39:39other women and what makes MomTalk
39:41great is that we have been able to inspire
39:43other women and bring them together in a form of community
39:45and so for me, this book means so
39:47much more to me than anything that I've
39:49ever done or any goal that I've ever hit.
39:51It means the most. So I'm excited to tell the girls
39:53it's finally happening. I like to be
39:55next to me. I like Taylor here.
39:57Tensions in MomTalk
39:59have been really high, so I have to make sure
40:01that I'm seating everyone in the right spot
40:03so that a fight doesn't break out.
40:05Switch Jen and Jessie.
40:07What about that? Taylor gets along with everyone.
40:09I put Macy in charge of
40:11the seating arrangements because she knows the situation
40:13and relationships with everyone, but
40:15clearly she didn't do a good enough job, so I'm
40:17taking it upon myself
40:19to fix her seating disaster.
40:21It's impossible
40:23to seat these people for some reason.
40:25Hello!
40:27How cute!
40:29This is adorable.
40:31This dress was it.
40:33Do we have name cards? Yes.
40:35If you don't like where you're sitting, you better change it
40:37ASAP before people come.
40:39I'm going to swap this real quick.
40:41Taylor and Miranda are crossing each other.
40:43They can talk. These four love each other.
40:45I invited Whitney out to dinner with all the girls
40:47to celebrate as well because I know she's been
40:49wanting to get back into MomTalk, and I think
40:51having Whitney around the group more is a
40:53good test to see how she gets along with everyone
40:55in a group setting. Hi!
40:57This is so cool!
40:59I'm rooting for Whitney because I want her to show
41:01like, yes, I've changed. I want to come to the group.
41:03I want to work on these relationships, and I think
41:05everyone deserves a second chance at the end of the day.
41:07Welcome in!
41:09Just literally three days postpartum?
41:11I truly believe that when a group of
41:13women come together like this, there's nothing more
41:15powerful, but with Whitney,
41:17we're a little nervous that she's kind of coming
41:19back around and trying to hang out with us again.
41:21I think there's a lot of us questioning
41:23her intentions. We're not sure
41:25if she's trying to be back in MomTalk for clout
41:27or if her intentions are sincere.
41:29And look at your titties! They're huge!
41:31Seriously, like, if I leave, they're popping out.
41:33Don't be surprised.
41:35I'm so happy to be here at Macy's dinner.
41:37I'm so happy to see that we're rekindling that relationship.
41:39I heard about Layla's
41:41Remove the Taboo party from Jen,
41:43and I was a little
41:45surprised to hear that I wasn't invited.
41:47I'd like to think maybe it's because
41:49I just had baby Billy, but I think
41:51that, like, I'm just not
41:53there yet, maybe.
41:55This is, like, exclusive.
41:57Hey, guys!
41:59Was it true if I was supposed to knock or what?
42:01Hello!
42:03This place is so cute!
42:05Thank you!
42:07Okay, you guys want to hear
42:09why I brought you all here?
42:11We want to celebrate with you guys because I
42:15got a book deal.
42:17Like, officially, like, through a publisher?
42:19Yes, so I'm super excited.
42:21I've been working on this for so long,
42:23and I feel like I'm gonna...
42:25Oh, cute!
42:27It means so much to you.
42:29The reason why I'm running a book...
42:31God.
42:33I don't want snot coming out of my nose.
42:35It's amazing.
42:37So, when I was first pregnant, I didn't know what I was doing
42:39with my life. My dad came into my room,
42:41and he handed this to me, and he said,
42:43write everything down, the good, the bad,
42:45the ugly, when you're mad, when you're sad,
42:47when you hate us, when you love us, and maybe one day
42:49you can use it to help somebody else.
42:51And so I did, and I wrote, like,
42:53the darkest times of my life in here,
42:55and that was, like, one day
42:57I'm gonna write a book, and so
42:59now it's happening, so, like, I feel like
43:01it's just a big full-circle moment, and so I'm just...
43:03I'm just really excited because it's probably
43:05the biggest goal I've ever had.
43:07I am so excited for Macy
43:09that she has this opportunity
43:11to tell her story in a book.
43:13I know it's something she's always wanted to do.
43:15People can be like, oh, my gosh,
43:17like, I'm going through the same thing.
43:19That's, like, what we're about in Mom Talk
43:21is sharing all of your things out to the world.
43:23That is seriously so amazing.
43:25Like, that is so cool.
43:27Thank you so much. I'm really...
43:29I'm really excited, as you can tell, it's emotional
43:31because it's just, like, all my trauma.
43:33No, your story's insane, and I'm excited to have your shot
43:35to, like, tell your story.
43:37Thank you, guys. So thanks for coming and celebrating
43:39and watching me cry.
43:41Demi seems a little,
43:43maybe jealous, but she's trying to hide it.
43:45Demi likes to put this
43:47up front that she's, like, this
43:49confident, put-together
43:51woman, but to be honest, I feel like
43:53she has more insecurities than anyone.
43:55And she's really good at hiding it.
43:57Can't wait to see who'll be a best-selling
43:59author, babe. That's the goal, you guys!
44:01I'm putting up my vision board, so
44:03it's gonna happen.
44:07You guys, I have something else exciting going on.
44:09I am hosting
44:11a celebrity pickleball tournament in Arizona.
44:13What does that mean?
44:15Celebrity pickleball.
44:17Because they're inviting different, like, kind of, like, celebrities,
44:19they're playing a pickleball tournament.
44:21Are you playing in it?
44:23You guys should come.
44:25If you want to come.
44:27Absolutely.
44:29Girls' trip! That would be fun.
44:31Yeah.
44:33I am co-hosting the USA Pickleball Celebrity Match
44:35in Arizona, and I am so excited.
44:37And I thought, what a better way to get the girls together
44:39and do a little girls' trip. I'm already there.
44:41Our last girls' trip went
44:43pretty badly.
44:45No boyfriends, no husbands.
44:47I did nothing wrong in this situation.
44:49So,
44:51this will be a good way to do a
44:53do-over, get everyone together, and hopefully
44:55mend friendships.
44:57It's a horrible idea.
44:59Okay, you guys, ready?
45:01We're playing a game.
45:03I'm confessing everything in this book,
45:05so now it's time for you guys to confess.
45:07It could be spicy, it could be about yourself,
45:09it could be something that you've held in that you've never told
45:11people, but tell us something of your truth.
45:13So it's a truth box. It's not the truth box.
45:15Do we have to guess who wrote it or no?
45:17It's all gonna be anonymous.
45:19Oh, I bet it will. Just like the truth box
45:21was supposed to be.
45:23This is full
45:25100% honesty.
45:27Honestly, yeah, a lot of what she does is
45:29trashy. Did I say that? You're being a bitch.
45:31I'm not the one that's going around trying to
45:33seduce other people's husbands.
45:35I'm just hoping that this is a little bit more light-hearted
45:37and it doesn't end in tears.
45:39Are you ready for this, Miranda? Is this my initiation?
45:41This is the initiation, exactly.
45:43Welcome to MomTalk.
45:45I feel like
45:47I'm the only one that has a brain anymore.
45:49You should have it be something that no one
45:51knows publicly. This is probably
45:53not the best idea.
45:55I mean, it could be light-hearted if you wanted
45:57it to be, but also it could stir up
45:59some stuff. So many secrets.
46:01I was just gonna stir up more shit
46:03that I'm gonna have to deal with.
46:05Okay, you guys
46:07ready? You start.
46:09It's your night.
46:11I am trying to get pregnant.
46:13It's Whitney or Tyler for sure.
46:15It better not be Taylor.
46:17I once had a man suck on my toes.
46:19Then I immediately left.
46:21I've had sex
46:23in five high school parking lots.
46:25Holy shit.
46:27Why would you look at me?
46:29She's like every high school I could think of.
46:31The first time I swallowed, I threw up immediately after.
46:35My favorite place to do it is in the
46:37pool slash hot tub. Hashtag yummy.
46:39UTI.
46:41I'm like hashtag UTI.
46:43Oh no.
46:45I'm scared.
46:47I think Jen is fake.
46:57Maybe I am fake.
46:59Okay, well this escalated quickly.
47:01I think the coma is either from Demi,
47:03Kayla, or Layla.
47:05Where are you in Dakota right now?
47:07We're not living together.
47:09So are you guys having sex?
47:11It's kind of weird
47:13when every time I open the internet,
47:15somebody's making blatantly explicit videos
47:17about me. If I want to make videos about you,
47:19I can do that because you're not my friend.
47:23Jen's my new Whitney.
47:25At what point are you just not gonna look like a liar?
47:27Like it's bad.
47:29If they have an issue with me, I would like to confront them.
47:31Some things went down in Italy.
47:33I'm not really playing truth or dare
47:35with a ton of single men.
47:37Did you ask her about the confession that Macy got?