The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 4
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00:00You're scared? Don't get nervous.
00:02So high up.
00:06You're so cute.
00:08You make me so happy.
00:14I'm the luckiest guy. I said it from day one.
00:16Cameron's my boyfriend.
00:18He seriously is the best.
00:20Me and Cam's connection is a lot different than me and my ex's
00:22because I feel like he genuinely sees me
00:24and cares for how I feel in every situation
00:26and I'm just so grateful for him
00:28that he came into my life.
00:30This place is so cute.
00:32Soda, ice cream,
00:34shakes.
00:36That looks so good, actually.
00:38Is that beer?
00:40Should I try it? First time?
00:42I still can't believe you've never
00:44tried it once in your life.
00:46Cameron's dad is a bishop, so his family is very
00:48strong in the church, which makes him a bit
00:50conservative when it comes to certain things.
00:52I don't know. I'm not intrigued.
00:54You said you do need gummies.
00:56Well, I never said I would.
00:58You did!
01:00If I'm going to try it, I'm not going to smoke.
01:02But if I was going to try it, I would do an edible over smoking.
01:04I think we should try it.
01:06Alright, we'll see.
01:08And then you're going to get the munchies, and it's so fun.
01:10Things are going really great with Cameron.
01:12I feel like our sex life is good,
01:14but I've still yet to experience an orgasm
01:16with a partner.
01:18That's something that I really want for myself,
01:20but something that's kind of ingrained in our church
01:22that you're not really supposed to enjoy sex
01:24until you're married, and I think that that
01:26put a constant shame in my head around
01:28sex in general. It's definitely something
01:30that I need to work on and work through.
01:32Dad being a bishop is so much responsibility
01:34in the church, and that's just how I grew up.
01:36So much of everything
01:38that was against the church, like weed
01:40and drinking and stuff, we just never talked about it.
01:42It was just, don't do it, or do this,
01:44or don't do this.
01:46I don't necessarily think Cameron's family has
01:48any hard feelings about me
01:50being in Mom Talk, but Cameron's only
01:52really dated very strong members of the church,
01:54girls that are very active,
01:56and I'm definitely the opposite of that,
01:58so maybe they have their reservations in some way.
02:00So your parents don't know that you have sex
02:02and stuff?
02:04The significance of having sex
02:06before you get married is obviously a big deal.
02:08So they'll figure it out eventually,
02:10or if they ask me about it, I'd be open and tell them.
02:12Would you? You wouldn't lie?
02:14Do you feel
02:16pressure about me
02:18and making me orgasm?
02:20Yeah, obviously, of course,
02:22because it's like, yeah, of course I do.
02:24At this point, I'm going to die without having to live together.
02:50Bring it to your knees, baby,
02:52you're gonna believe.
03:20Those boots are cute.
03:22Thanks.
03:24Today, I'm grabbing brunch with Mikayla and Taylor,
03:26and I'm really excited to catch up.
03:28I know that Taylor has been going through a lot
03:30with her relationship with Dakota,
03:32and Mikayla has been on a journey with therapy,
03:34and so I'm really excited to get together with them
03:36and just chat.
03:38You're gonna take over? Yeah. Thank you.
03:40But considering everything that has happened
03:42with the Halloween part of it,
03:44I'm really excited to catch up with Mikayla
03:46and Taylor.
03:48Considering everything that has happened with the Halloween party,
03:50I'm worried.
03:52Oh my goodness, this is so nice.
03:54Maybe you should sit on the entee so that you can put him...
03:56Yeah.
03:58Thank you so much.
04:00Thank you, Rachel.
04:02She's a name tag.
04:04Is that your new friend?
04:06Thank you, Rachel.
04:08Are you gonna add her into the group chat, too?
04:10Shut up.
04:12I approve.
04:14I am, like, lagging today.
04:16Did you worry about him at all after the party?
04:18Well, yeah, I made sure he was okay.
04:20Dakota? I was worried about that when he turned off.
04:22I do worry about him.
04:24Obviously, when you have a past like that,
04:26that's like life or death for people,
04:28so I checked up on him.
04:30That's good.
04:32Since the Halloween party,
04:34Miranda and I are cordial,
04:36but Dakota and I are currently in a fight.
04:38Things are just getting worse and worse,
04:40and honestly, I do worry about Dakota's sobriety
04:42with recovering addicts.
04:44I think I'll always worry about that.
04:46My heart is closed at this point,
04:48but there's no question that I feel so strongly about him.
04:50I was like,
04:52you embarrassed us both.
04:54Oh, yeah.
04:56Chase literally so close to your face
04:58and so aggressively pointing at you,
05:00every husband probably would have lost it there.
05:02The fact that they all saw it
05:04except you is embarrassing.
05:06And Chase has done a lot more to you
05:08than he's done to any of us, too.
05:10He just didn't want to hear it,
05:12and I'm like done.
05:14I have nothing to say.
05:16There's no more words for it, honestly.
05:18I know, but you still talk and fight
05:20like you're together.
05:22Yeah.
05:24He doesn't feel done unless it's like
05:26strictly about ever.
05:28Like, hey, when are you picking him up?
05:30Kind of like separate and take care of your baby.
05:32I don't know.
05:34That's what I'm saying.
05:36I think you two have to work on yourselves
05:38and by yourselves without each other at all.
05:40If you were to go on a date with someone,
05:42wouldn't you be pissed?
05:44If you're going on a date
05:46during all of this,
05:48you're not my person at all.
05:50So you're still considering being together?
05:52I mean, I just don't have
05:54words for it. I don't know.
05:56I can't say yes, I'm done with Dakota forever
05:58or I want to be with him right now.
06:00I just don't know.
06:02Taylor and Dakota
06:04are in a really bad place right now.
06:06It is so toxic.
06:08It's like oil and water.
06:10I understand you want to make it work
06:12with the person you have a baby with,
06:14but I just don't see it working out.
06:16I get confused.
06:18I guess what I'm saying is I'm not focusing on that.
06:20I have so much work to do.
06:22I have my kids to focus on.
06:24I need to be present with them.
06:26I need to go to therapy
06:28and heal my inner issues
06:30because I'm also so messed up.
06:32When everyone's like,
06:34let it go, let it go,
06:36I feel crazy because it's the same thing.
06:38And she's like, it's not crazy
06:40because you're in trauma and PTSD
06:42so it doesn't matter. It's going to always be there
06:44until we fix it and rewire
06:46your brain.
06:48But it is possible though.
06:50This is work in progress.
06:52I'm tired of everyone being like, we're exhausted.
06:54Well, guess what? Me too.
06:56So it's going to take a while to heal it.
06:58I have some
07:00really deep issues
07:02of self-worth.
07:04I felt like my real dad
07:06not wanting anything to do with me.
07:08My guilt for the swinging scandal.
07:10It makes me feel like trash.
07:12And now Dakota kind of brought it out
07:14and exploded it.
07:16But it's deeper than Dakota and what he did.
07:18When I am betrayed,
07:20it just confirms my beliefs about myself.
07:22I feel like you guys are never on the same page.
07:24And so I feel like you're both
07:26trying to validate your feelings to each other
07:28but you can't do it.
07:30I think Taylor and Dakota's
07:32relationship is kind of already detrimental
07:34to Taylor's health and mental well-being.
07:36He's been deceitful and lying
07:38to you and gaslighting you for the last
07:40two years. But now that she has a baby
07:42I understand that it adds a difficult
07:44dynamic. I just want her to
07:46be healthy and I want her to have a healthy relationship.
07:48We were supposed to have therapy on Monday
07:50together but
07:52I don't know if he'll show up. I'm going because she's
07:54my psychiatrist regardless.
07:56He was supposed to be there but I don't know
07:58if he'll come. I'll be there
08:00regardless.
08:02Alright, we can talk about
08:04something else.
08:06What is that on my head?
08:08It's still there.
08:10Get it out!
08:12Oh my gosh!
08:14It's stuck to my head.
08:16Anyways...
08:18How are your marriages, guys?
08:20Perfect?
08:22No one's marriage is perfect.
08:24No one is perfect.
08:26You know what I forgot to tell you guys?
08:28A few months ago I got
08:30two confessions on Sinner Sunday.
08:32Wait, this is not me.
08:34Well, I always get ones about you
08:36but this is not what I'm talking about.
08:38But it said, I slept with Demi's husband
08:40last year while she was away.
08:44Sinner Sunday is something that I started
08:46a couple years ago where I just wanted to have
08:48a little bit of fun. I have people write in
08:50anonymous confessions and they're usually
08:52really juicy and then I post them
08:54on the story of that page for everyone to see.
08:56Yeah, that's not true. Demi doesn't go a day away from Brett.
08:58Besides the
09:00girls trip we did in June.
09:02Nothing would surprise me anymore.
09:04We have learned there is truth
09:06to the confessions on Sinner Sunday.
09:08There are. With the Dakota and Taylor situation
09:10a lot of things ended up coming out
09:12that were true. Demi and Brett might have
09:14cracks that they don't share with everybody.
09:16No relationship is perfect.
09:18We can talk about Jen and Zach.
09:20I was just going to ask Marti about Jen and Zach but I guess
09:22we don't know. They were doing their trial
09:24living. When I talked to Jen
09:26she's like, oh my gosh, we're so much better.
09:28No, like he's totally allowing me to be myself.
09:30Allowing you to be yourself.
09:32That's what it's the allowing. He's allowing me.
09:34I'm like how thoughtful of him.
09:38He's grown so much.
09:40Finding out that I'm pregnant
09:42was very stressful.
09:44I don't want to tell anyone that I'm pregnant
09:46just because there's still tension
09:48in the air.
09:50What's hard for me is Zach
09:52left med school so I can be
09:54part of mom talk.
09:56It's been very hard
09:58to talk to the girls.
10:00It's been very hard
10:02to talk to the girls.
10:04It's been very hard
10:06to talk to the girls.
10:08To talk to the girls
10:10about everything that I'm going through.
10:12It's been nice having Miranda.
10:14She's the only person
10:16right now that has validated
10:18me.
10:20Are they
10:22heading to
10:24Chase's? She's so cute.
10:26Is that hard?
10:28Co-parenting?
10:30It's definitely difficult
10:32but there hasn't been
10:34a day where I've felt like it wasn't the right decision.
10:36Really?
10:38It hasn't been easy but it's been easier than
10:40staying married was.
10:44When did it hit you
10:46that it was time to
10:48split?
10:50I can't remember if it was an argument
10:52we had or something
10:54and I was just like, I'm done.
10:56I'm done.
10:58It literally was like
11:00a switch flipped in my brain
11:02and then I just remember feeling
11:04so much more calm.
11:06I'm very much
11:08happier now.
11:10I was going to ask how you're doing.
11:12To be honest, I'm not
11:14okay right now.
11:16I'm trying
11:18so hard
11:20not to
11:22I'm sorry.
11:24I hate crying.
11:26Don't be sorry.
11:28I'm trying so hard.
11:32I just
11:34genuinely feel like
11:36so alone right now.
11:38My marriage and where I'm at
11:40with all the girls.
11:42I feel for
11:44Jen. I've been there
11:46and it is rough.
11:48All of
11:50the things that Jen has gone through
11:52and where she's at now
11:54I think she's kind of
11:56she's hitting a
11:58breaking point. The more she opens up
12:00the more I'm realizing that
12:02maybe she's not receiving the
12:04support that she needs
12:06in mom talk right now.
12:08With Zach, I think there are some
12:10red flags for sure and
12:12yeah, it might be best for her to go
12:14but if she doesn't feel like it's the best
12:16thing for her, she needs to be
12:18supported in that journey.
12:20I just feel like these girls
12:22specifically Demi and Jessie continue
12:24to put me in these uncomfortable
12:26situations and if I do struggle
12:28in my relationship, I feel like I can't
12:30go to them because I feel like they
12:32already have this narrative in their head.
12:34It's like, well, I already told you you should leave him.
12:36Yeah, no, exactly. I want to continue
12:38being a part of
12:40mom talk but also I know it's
12:42really, really hard for Zach and I feel like
12:44it's hurting our marriage.
12:46You should not have to feel like that.
12:48I'm very
12:50worried and stressed out because
12:52bringing in another human
12:54into this life
12:56is
12:58a lot. I feel like
13:00I'm definitely in the
13:02midst of spiritual
13:04warfare where I'm
13:06just doubting everything
13:08and I feel like lost.
13:10I'm not sure if I want to
13:12be in the marriage anymore
13:14and I definitely think
13:16that it is
13:18a wake up call for me to really
13:20figure out what I want
13:22for this baby.
13:24What's really conflicting right now is
13:26since
13:28Vegas and everything, I feel like I've
13:30distanced myself from
13:32church.
13:34I feel like I've
13:36also distanced myself from God
13:38and it's made it
13:40really hard for me
13:42to know what's best for me
13:44and
13:46it's just hard
13:48because my relationship with God
13:50is everything
13:52and I feel like He's
13:54quiet right now.
13:56I'm just
13:58praying to God
14:00to lead me to what I need to do.
14:02I want to do what's best for me
14:04and my kids
14:06and my marriage.
14:10In order to have this
14:12child right now,
14:14there's a lot of things I know I need to
14:16work through. I don't even know what I
14:18believe in
14:20and what I'm
14:24what my
14:26current
14:28purpose is.
14:46There he is.
14:48What's up, boys?
14:50Oh wait, Brett, hold on.
15:00Brett, that's where the balls come out.
15:08You guys are still young enough, you don't need to stretch.
15:12So today I invited Jordan
15:14and Brett to go golfing.
15:16Just wanted to talk to them after what happened
15:18at the Halloween party and kind of their role
15:20in the Chippendales dancing
15:22and just confront them
15:24for what happened.
15:28Should we do a little long drive?
15:30Yeah, you guys want to do some betting?
15:32I'm just kidding.
15:34Hey, too soon, man.
15:36I hate to
15:38interrupt the golfing. I did want to
15:40come here today and just talk to you guys about some
15:42stuff. I just wanted to talk
15:44to you guys about the Halloween situation.
15:46I've already sat down with Demi
15:48and Jesse and I kind of told them
15:50where I was at with respecting
15:52our relationship and they've chosen not to
15:54but that is what it is.
15:56I have hope that moving forward I
15:58can have a good relationship with these guys.
16:00At the end of the day, I have nothing against them.
16:02I think they're great guys. I think they're
16:04great husbands. I know you guys
16:06didn't have any bad intent
16:08but I still think it was a little bit
16:10disrespectful but mostly just insensitive.
16:12Man to man,
16:14if you guys did respect me
16:16or you guys did support my relationship, you guys
16:18could have let me know.
16:20Jordan,
16:22I feel like we're pretty close
16:24and I feel like Brett, I've expressed
16:26to you that I look up to you.
16:28I mean, clearly you guys knew.
16:30It's not like it just slipped your minds.
16:32I'm super traditional.
16:34It's just who I am. Ten minutes
16:36earlier, you guys were both out
16:38almost physically assaulting someone
16:40over them physically
16:42assaulting his wife. For sure.
16:44I stand by that. I'll never walk away
16:46from that in my entire life because the way
16:48I was raised is you don't ever put a hand on
16:50a woman. I did the same thing right after.
16:52Hear me out. I didn't touch Jen.
16:56If you want to be petty, I can be petty with you.
16:58I'm doing this in a respectful way.
17:00I watched the whole situation.
17:02What Chase did is he went up to me and
17:04touched her without consent in a condescending way.
17:06What you guys did was touch
17:08my wife without consent in a condescending way.
17:10Same thing.
17:14The thing that I have a tough time with
17:16is that Jen was warned
17:18what the whole bit was
17:20and she was also told
17:22that you could be included
17:24and she didn't choose to tell you that.
17:26And honestly, there needs to be
17:28accountability on Jen's end for not putting you in
17:30though because it was said that there was going to be
17:32surprises.
17:36That doesn't mean that I shouldn't have reached
17:38out and try to include you or invite
17:40you into that. I agree with that.
17:42I was under the impression that
17:44you were in the know. That is something Jen and I
17:46have to hash out and if it later comes out
17:48that she didn't tell me the truth, that's going to
17:50suck. Jen has, again,
17:52sworn on our children's life. This is her story.
17:54I'm going to have to believe her
17:56and I'm going to let her hash that out with
17:58Jessie and Demi and whatever comes out or if it doesn't,
18:00it is what it is. I just wanted to come
18:02to you guys because I still would have wished
18:04you guys would have told me I talked
18:06to you that morning. This all comes down
18:08to two things. Intent
18:10and communication.
18:12At the center of it, Jen
18:14might be a little bit of
18:16a moving target depending upon
18:18the situation and how
18:20she might be feeling and how she might be feeling
18:22you might react at certain times.
18:24Her message might change a little bit. There may be
18:26some nuances that change a little bit. So I'm just
18:28asking you to be open to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:30And not draw such
18:32hard lines. He said this, she said this.
18:34This is definitive because there is a lot
18:36of moving nuances. Nothing's definitive and it's going to be in the gray area
18:38and I'm just trying to handle it the best I can
18:40and still show up for my wife and
18:42be a good husband. Because I'm telling you, man to man,
18:44had I thought for even
18:46one millisecond that this was going
18:48to cause any kind of issue whatsoever
18:50in your marriage, it never would have happened.
18:52Jen and I have been
18:54through a ton in this last year.
18:56A lot of these tough situations
18:58could have been avoided through maybe
19:00better understanding on my part
19:02but maybe a little bit more honest
19:04and straightforward communication
19:06on Jen's part. But as far as
19:08fighting for our marriage, absolutely.
19:10There's no question that it's worth
19:12fighting for and I think we're putting
19:14in the work and it's just going to be a long
19:16process. At the end of the day,
19:18I'd love to continue to golf, have fun. We'd love
19:20to have you come to the Dad Talk stuff.
19:22Yeah. I hear you.
19:24Yeah.
19:26Bring it in.
19:28Should we get back to hitting some golf balls
19:30after that? I'm going to have to re-stretch.
19:44I think I have everything.
19:46Shut the door.
19:54The last couple weeks have been
19:56really hard but I'm just thankful that Dakota
19:58came to our therapy session.
20:00It was a lot about the Halloween party because it was
20:02so triggering. When you see
20:04Chase treating me this way,
20:06that's when you step in as a man
20:08and be like, you do not talk to her
20:10that way. Back the fuck up.
20:12That's what I would want my man to do
20:14for me. I'm the mother of your child. Tell him to back
20:16the fuck up. He said one remark
20:18to one of my friends and the husband
20:20immediately was like, you go fucking apologize to my wife.
20:22If you ever acted like
20:24you wanted anything to do with me.
20:26My ex would have defended me in that
20:28situation.
20:30Okay. I know. We're gone.
20:32I feel like the last few years
20:34have actually been the hardest.
20:36I feel like I've
20:38been insecure with Dakota.
20:40Him thinking certain things and saying
20:42things and my family saying you didn't respect
20:44yourself. I think it just like added and
20:46ever since then it's just been hard to
20:48pick back up and feel confident again.
20:50We had a family dinner we went to.
20:52My mom just like everyone is exhausted
20:54of hearing the same things like what is going
20:56on and my dad was like
20:58well, I don't know why you expected better when you
21:00like jumped into bed with him so fast.
21:02There's
21:04I feel like just anger.
21:08In our therapy
21:10session Dakota finally took
21:12a step back and was processing
21:14and I feel like for the first time he was not
21:16only hearing me but he was listening to me.
21:18I don't actually
21:20have an issue with you
21:22like trying to process these things
21:24and like you struggling like
21:26I'm still here. I think the
21:28only thing I've ever actually wanted
21:30is forgiveness.
21:32And that's all I need
21:34to where I can actually
21:36like show up for you
21:38and work on those things that you need
21:40me to like show you
21:42and give you that can
21:44help you work through
21:46these things too.
21:48And I'm sorry I failed you.
21:50I really am.
21:52I do feel like we finally
21:54had this mini breakthrough. I feel like I saw
21:56the soft side of Dakota that
21:58I initially fell for. Healing is really
22:00hard because I think it gets really ugly
22:02before it gets pretty.
22:04There's so many great things I love about him and
22:06vice versa like that's why we won't let each
22:08other go because it's like so good
22:10when it's good and
22:12he's upset me, he's hurt me
22:14but I don't think he's failed me.
22:16I think failing is when
22:18it's over and you're done trying. The whole
22:20party thing just sucks like that
22:22really hurts me because
22:24I feel like the one thing I've always
22:26actually been really good at throughout my
22:28whole life is just like having people's back
22:30and like I do anything
22:32and so
22:36yeah I just feel like I like
22:38screwed that up and
22:40that sucks.
22:42So where
22:44do we go?
22:46Where do we go from here?
23:10Layla's definitely gone through some
23:12changes from going through a
23:14divorce to getting her boobs
23:16done but one thing that remains
23:18is that she has yet to have an orgasm
23:20with a partner. Jazzy and I
23:22kind of want to take the pressure off and maybe
23:24inform her on how to achieve that
23:26so we thought of a cute idea
23:28to throw her a sex party.
23:34Hello. Erica?
23:36Yes. So nice to meet you.
23:38Do you need help? Is this heavy?
23:40Are you sure? Yeah, where would you like me to put it?
23:42In this room. Okay. This is where everyone
23:44will be. Awesome. I love it.
23:46Beautiful. I think there's definitely
23:48some shame that comes along with being
23:50a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
23:52Saints. Unfortunately, sex is
23:54a very under-talked-about topic
23:56and so I think everyone's excited
23:58to learn more and you know
24:00support Layla. Jessie and I found this
24:02sex expert, Erica, and
24:04I am hoping that she's able
24:06to remove the taboo around sex.
24:08Come to me.
24:10This is the guest of honor.
24:12Oh my goodness. Okay.
24:14Welcome, Mama.
24:16How are you?
24:18Love to meet you.
24:20It's so cute.
24:22This is Erica. Hi. Nice to meet you.
24:24Introduce and give all your certifications.
24:26She's incredible. So my official
24:28title, Certified Sex
24:30and Relationship Coach and Forward Certified
24:32Clinical Sexologist. Amazing.
24:34Oh my gosh. I'm so excited. This is all for you.
24:36I love it. Cameron
24:38wants me to feel good when we're having sex and
24:40I do feel like the girls are being supportive right now
24:42and trying to help me feel loved
24:44and cared for. That's really something
24:46that I appreciate about this group.
24:48Having sex before I was married, getting pregnant
24:50before I was married, I just have always
24:52felt shame. It's just something that has always been
24:54kind of a cloud over my head
24:56when it comes to sex. Oh, is that
24:58a vagina? So this is a vulva.
25:00Yeah, we'll talk about this. This is a vulva puppet.
25:02She's pretty, right?
25:04She's cute.
25:06So we have a wide
25:08range of women coming tonight. Okay.
25:10From
25:12very experienced, like swinging
25:14with multiple partners experience.
25:16Okay. Hi!
25:18Oh my gosh, you look so hot.
25:20And then very
25:22conservative.
25:24I know, I'm like, huddle.
25:26Don't shit right there.
25:28Sexy. Sexy.
25:30Hello.
25:32Wow.
25:34So I walk into Demi's
25:36Remove the Taboo party, and I'm
25:38a little shocked. There's
25:40collars, chains, whips, butt
25:42plugs, dildos. I'm like, where
25:44am I? This is like a sex
25:46shop. I thought this was like, remove
25:48the stigma of sex.
25:50But this seems like a full-on
25:52orgy party. I just want to know
25:54what you guys all think is the most shocking
25:56of all of these. I mean, I feel like I've seen
25:58them all, but like...
26:00However, it wouldn't
26:02be a mom talk party without
26:04some kind of drama, so I just feel something
26:06brewing in the air.
26:08Look at you.
26:10You went all out.
26:12This is cute, Taylor.
26:14I love this.
26:16Alright, someone bend over.
26:18My delivery's
26:20here. I forgot it.
26:24No! I forgot it at home,
26:26so I had to see how Jace bring it.
26:28It looks just like me.
26:30It's an ass.
26:32Do you know that your BFF
26:34thinks that was a mold of her ass?
26:36Is that true? Macy?
26:38Who in mom talk has the best ass? Of course
26:40that's me. Just genetics.
26:42She actually used my ass
26:44as inspo for her cake. Oh, please.
26:46I don't have enough cake to mold Macy's ass.
26:48What's
26:50the flavor? Ass.
26:52I'm just kidding. The flavor is
26:54butthole.
26:56Hello.
26:58Oh, look at you.
27:00You look great. Thank you. So do you.
27:02Hello.
27:04How are you?
27:06My hands are literally freezing.
27:08Do you ever think you'd be back at a mom talk sex party?
27:12Oh my gosh.
27:14No, I did not think I would ever be
27:16at a sex party with Miranda.
27:18But here we are together. Surprise.
27:20Who is the kids tonight? Oh yeah.
27:22Dakota, dad talk? Yes.
27:24Yes, he is. Jordan's like, I'm really hoping
27:26Dakota can lead this because he's like a
27:28TikTok expert.
27:30They're just making TikTok.
27:32I mean, I didn't ask him much about it.
27:34Jordan's like, I don't know how to use TikTok.
27:36I'm like, ask Dakota.
27:38Okay. Connor, you're in the middle.
27:40Okay.
27:42Click.
27:44So head to the left, right?
27:46This is just a practice. Get ready.
27:48Ready?
27:50Click.
27:52Shit, left. Sorry. Okay.
27:54Here we go. Are you guys ready?
27:56Yeah. Okay. Here we go. We got this.
27:58The click.
28:00Oh shit.
28:04How do they get the positioning?
28:06Is it just because they're small?
28:08Here we go.
28:10Okay. Get ready.
28:12Click.
28:16Click.
28:18That's it. Dad talk has been established.
28:20We cannot
28:22admit to the girls how hard this is.
28:24No, never. Promise.
28:26Promise this stays here.
28:30I'm crying.
28:32We should all grab the one that looks the most like us.
28:34I also need some cheese.
28:36Are you guys good now?
28:38I don't know, honestly. I don't know.
28:40I appreciate her thanking me.
28:42I think we're to a place where our friendship is a little
28:44our friendship's better for me.
28:46I guess coming from my perspective, it's better.
28:48I just don't have answers.
28:50He isn't. I haven't lived with him
28:52for over a month now. Oh, I didn't know that.
28:54Where is he?
28:56Uh, apartment. Good.
28:58Good.
29:00Is Jen here yet or no?
29:02I think she should be here any minute.
29:04She better be walking in with just full lingerie.
29:06No, Zach won't allow that.
29:08Is he going to dad talk? No.
29:10Zach? I don't think so.
29:12Does anyone know what's going on with them? No.
29:14She came over
29:16a couple days ago.
29:18Um, we talked and I think
29:20she's just been
29:22she's asking a lot of questions about my divorce.
29:24Oh, interesting.
29:26Like she was inquiring for
29:28herself almost? Kind of.
29:30Oh, no. Jen and I's relationship
29:32used to be really great, but
29:34now that Jen has isolated herself,
29:36we never hear from her. It's really sad to me
29:38to see how it's fallen because we did
29:40have a really close relationship at one point.
29:42Anyone know how she's feeling about the Chippendales
29:44situation? Did you talk to her about it?
29:46What did she say? She wasn't
29:48thrilled about it. She did say
29:50she was like, I know that Demi brought it up.
29:52She's like, I just wish that I would have known the length
29:54of the plan.
29:56Rather than, she didn't know that there was going to
29:58be other people involved and she didn't
30:00know it was going to be people dancing
30:02on her. Yeah. It was supposed to be a surprise.
30:04Yeah, it was supposed to be. Honestly,
30:06me even giving her a heads up was just like,
30:08hey, I just want to make sure if this is off the table
30:10at all. I know this was a heavy time for you.
30:12If it's off the table at all and she was all
30:14for it. She was like, I love it. That's incredible.
30:16That's the best idea ever.
30:18Brett is going to come in like
30:20normal costume, rip it off
30:22into like a Chippendales. I love that.
30:24I can't believe Jen knew about
30:26it beforehand. I think it's absurd for
30:28Jen to now say that the prank wasn't okay.
30:30Especially now that we know for a fact that
30:32she told Jessie and Demi that she was completely on board.
30:34The more I hear about Jen recently,
30:36the less I'm starting to believe anything that she says.
30:38She made it sound like it was
30:40this great idea. So I hope she just isn't
30:42harboring more feelings because she
30:44tends to do that. And she did say that she was like,
30:46I did appreciate that Demi brought it up to me at all.
30:48I think she was just like, oh, I just wish that I would have known
30:50a little bit more extent of it.
30:52My life is definitely
30:54in chaos right now
30:56after the Chippendales prank
30:58and with Demi
31:00and Jessie interfering
31:02with mine and Zach's relationship.
31:04It's definitely caused more
31:06conflict between us
31:08and finding out that I'm pregnant
31:10as well as having a bit
31:12of an identity and faith crisis.
31:14I feel
31:16really lost
31:18and I'm hoping showing up tonight
31:20can show them
31:22that I'm really trying to put in that effort.
31:24And hopefully there's
31:26no more drama.
31:28Oh.
31:38I want to keep this drink of champagne
31:40from the bottle, want to stick my finger
31:42in it. I know it's gonna get
31:44me sick.
31:46I'm gonna get it.
31:48Phone rings.
31:52Welcome.
31:54You know, I was considering
31:56wearing my Germies.
31:58As much as I want to talk to Jen tonight,
32:00and I do want to clear the air, I'm looking around
32:02and we've got the sex expert who has
32:04prepared a whole night for us
32:06and everyone's excited to support
32:08Layla and tonight is obviously
32:10about Layla, so that conversation's
32:12unfortunately gonna have to wait.
32:14Thank you for coming, everyone. You all look stunning.
32:16Sexy, beautiful.
32:18I'd like to introduce you to
32:20Erica. She is a sex coach.
32:22Essentially, she is here to
32:24break the taboo.
32:26This Remove the Taboo party
32:28is a little edgy for Mormons, I will say.
32:30However, Mormons are a little
32:32bit freaky, like, in marriage.
32:34So, there are a
32:36plethora of items over here, ladies.
32:38If you've been to a sex shop, you know
32:40there's so much more available, right?
32:44Okay, hey ladies, I have
32:46a question for each one of you, so I want you
32:48each to answer this, okay?
32:50Taylor, I'm gonna start with you. What arouses you?
32:54The most?
32:56I love, like,
32:58a scenario in my head.
33:00Okay, so some fantasy play.
33:02That's awesome. How about for you?
33:04Um, I like dirty talk.
33:06Dirty talk.
33:08I hate dirty talk.
33:10What arouses you, Mikayla?
33:12Oh, I love massage.
33:14And also smell. I feel like smell
33:16is not like sex smell,
33:18but like deodorant and perfume.
33:20Like, the smell.
33:22So, you're a sensual gal.
33:24You know, I've got my own sexual traumas next to me.
33:26Yeah.
33:28Layla, how about for you?
33:30I like really feeling something.
33:32I don't know.
33:34I like seeing, like, my partner.
33:36Okay, like, connection, maybe?
33:38Yeah. When, like, he's enjoying it, then I, like, enjoy it.
33:40Yeah, yeah. What about it for you do you enjoy?
33:42What do you mean?
33:44Like, what about it for you that has nothing to do with him?
33:46What about you, like, feels good?
33:50Yeah, yeah, for sure.
33:52I'm like, I don't know. I don't know.
33:54I think the fact that I'm not able to answer the question
33:56on what turns me on is kind of a big revelation
33:58for me. The fact that I can't even pinpoint
34:00what makes me aroused
34:02in a situation, I think, is a really big red flag.
34:04I think that's honestly
34:06maybe contributing to why I'm not
34:08able to enjoy sex fully is because I don't know
34:10what I like and don't like.
34:12We're our first sexual partners.
34:14So, if we're not exploring our own bodies
34:16to kind of figure out what we like,
34:18what pleases us, and what doesn't,
34:20then how are we to express that to our partners, right?
34:22We're going to do a little sensation play.
34:24So, if you would pair up,
34:26please.
34:28I'm at a swinger party right now. Woo!
34:30So, I want you to think
34:32about the most soft touch
34:34that you can give your partner, and then let her
34:36give you feedback on what feels good.
34:38Do you want it harder or softer?
34:40Whatever.
34:42Whatever.
34:44But I'm sure anything.
34:46So, ladies, so what I'm doing
34:48is I'm asking Taylor if she wants it
34:50harder or softer.
34:52Ew, I hate this.
34:54Do you want to be scratched
34:56with it? Oh, I like that. Okay, so she
34:58likes to be scratched with it.
35:00I hate that.
35:02I know, this is a little too intimate.
35:04Are you ready to really bond?
35:08Oh, I don't like that. It feels like there's something curly on my face.
35:10I think when we get in a group,
35:12I think we truly have no boundaries.
35:14I think Macy needs to work on her
35:16feathering techniques, though, because it wasn't
35:18really doing anything for me.
35:20Having to feather
35:22my friend, that sounds so weird.
35:24Having to feather someone, being like, how does that feel?
35:26Ew, I did not like that one bit.
35:28The one thing that happened today that I never want
35:30to think about again was definitely
35:32Miranda whipping me with a whip.
35:36It was definitely a little
35:38awkward for sure. I'm so straight, it's
35:40scary. Me too.
35:42This is not
35:44about being straight.
35:46It's like just enjoying the feeling of it.
35:48You've kissed girls. I've never kissed a girl.
35:50But I am so straight too.
35:52I did not enjoy it, but it wasn't
35:54a turn on. I just did it.
35:56It was just fun because you were drunk.
35:58It's not that bad. I mean, Miranda's a great
36:00kisser. I've kissed a lot of girls
36:02actually in my life, and Miranda is
36:04a good kisser. But I do feel
36:06like Demi makes these judgmental
36:08jokes where it's
36:10an underlying message to you.
36:12It's kind of like a light jab,
36:14but yeah, I do feel like she does that.
36:16So now,
36:18is there anyone wanting to be handcuffed
36:20with your ankles and your wrists?
36:22I'll do it, yeah. Sure.
36:24Where do you buy this? Can you buy it on Amazon?
36:26Nope. You can buy everything on Amazon.
36:28I'm like, send me the link.
36:30Didn't think the first time I was getting tied up
36:32would be from a woman, but you know.
36:34Taylor's face.
36:36I'm just
36:38learning new things. There we go.
36:40Okay. You're gonna let me know
36:42how that feels, okay?
36:44Are you close to orgasming?
36:46Are you okay if I just hit you
36:48very lightly? No. Okay.
36:50And then you're gonna
36:52tell me if you want me to
36:54go a little harder or a little softer.
36:56Give it to me, daddy.
36:58I feel like you need to be the one on here right now.
37:00Close your eyes. Close your eyes,
37:02sweetheart. Harder or softer?
37:04Harder.
37:06What? Harder. You like to be
37:08whipped. I think so.
37:10I think something I took from the sex party
37:12is that I like it hard and rough.
37:14Moving forward, I'm gonna be more
37:16open about trying things in sex
37:18and experimenting and just being more open
37:20in communicating when I'm having sex.
37:22I do feel hopeful that an orgasm
37:24is around the corner. Fingers crossed
37:26that it can happen soon.
37:28Are we gonna eat the ass? Oh, yes!
37:30It's good luck.
37:32Yeah.
37:34Yeah, I like that.
37:36Sensual.
37:38Now that we've got the sex lesson out of the way,
37:40I think it's the perfect time to
37:42talk to Jen. I definitely want to
37:44talk to her about the whole Chip and Dale situation.
37:46I want to clear things up and just talk
37:48to her and figure out what went wrong.
37:50How are you and Zach? Jen?
37:52Jen? What? How are you and Zach
37:54doing? We're doing better.
37:56As of right now.
37:58As of today. Good.
38:00Has it been like a long road?
38:02Yeah. Yeah, it's been a lot.
38:04I mean...
38:06Yeah, it's been a lot.
38:08I do feel like Demi...
38:10She likes to talk a lot about projection,
38:12which is very funny because it's like when you're
38:14crying and kind of going at somebody, it's like
38:16a projection thing, so when she brings
38:18up Jen and Zach's relationship, you have to
38:20ask, like, what is it? Why do you care about
38:22theirs? I'd love to have a conversation
38:24with all of you.
38:26But I'm just trying to figure it out.
38:28Yeah. Yeah.
38:30As of right now, I'm just keeping it between
38:32Zach and I and
38:34that's what it is.
38:36At this point, I think Jen needs to be held
38:38accountable for all of the lies that are coming out.
38:40We know that they are not related to
38:42Ben Affleck. They're putting Chippendales on
38:44me and Demi. I think her feet need to be held
38:46to the fire and she needs to own up to what she's
38:48lied about, take accountability so we
38:50can all move on.
39:08All eyes on me.
39:12All eyes on me.
39:14Oh, look, there's little name tags.
39:16Weren't you in charge of the seating thing?
39:18This is not going to work? What's wrong?
39:20Me across from Whitney with you on the end?
39:22How would that not work? My two
39:24best friends. No.
39:26Tonight, I have invited all the girls out
39:28to dinner because I have super exciting
39:30news. I got a book deal
39:32less than a year ago. I launched Baby Mama
39:34and it was an amazing experience
39:36and now my book is about
39:38my life story because it is
39:40very traumatic, crazy
39:42and unconventional, especially for like a Mormon.
39:44This has been a goal of mine since
39:462015 and I just wanted to use my voice to help
39:48other women and what makes MomTalk
39:50great is that we have been able to inspire
39:52other women and bring them together in a form of community
39:54and so for me, this book means so
39:56much more to me than anything that I've
39:58ever done or any goal that I've ever hit.
40:00It means the most. So I'm excited to tell the girls
40:02it's finally happening. I like to be
40:04next to me. I like Taylor
40:06here. Tensions in MomTalk
40:08have been really high so I have to make sure
40:10that I'm seating everyone in the right spot
40:12so that a fight doesn't break out. No, don't switch
40:14with Jen. Switch Jen and Jessie.
40:16How about that? Like Taylor gets along with everyone
40:18so. I put Macy in charge
40:20of the seating arrangements because she knows the situation
40:22and relationships with everyone but
40:24clearly she didn't do a good enough job so
40:26I'm taking it upon myself
40:28to fix her seating disaster.
40:30It's impossible
40:32to seat these people for some reason.
40:34Hello! How cute!
40:36This is amazing.
40:38This is adorable.
40:40This dress was it.
40:42Do we have name cards? Yes.
40:44So if you don't like where you're sitting, you better change
40:46it ASAP before people come.
40:48I'm gonna swap this real quick.
40:50Taylor and Miranda are crossing each other. And Whitney so like
40:52they can talk. These four love each other.
40:54I invited Whitney out to dinner with all the girls
40:56to celebrate as well because I know she's been
40:58wanting to get back into MomTalk and I think
41:00having Whitney around the group more is a good
41:02test to see how she gets along with everyone
41:04in a group setting. Hi!
41:06This is so cool!
41:08I'm rooting for Whitney because I want her to like show
41:10like yes I've changed. I want to come to the group.
41:12I want to work on these relationships and I think
41:14everyone deserves a second chance at the end of the day.
41:16Welcome in! Hi!
41:18Just literally three days postpartum.
41:20I truly believe that when a group of
41:22women come together like this there's nothing more
41:24powerful. But with Whitney we're
41:26a little nervous that she's kind of coming back
41:28around and trying to hang out with us again.
41:30I think there's a lot of us questioning her
41:32intentions. We're not sure if she's
41:34trying to be back in MomTalk for clout
41:36or if her intentions are sincere.
41:38And look at your titties! They're huge!
41:40Seriously like if I leave they're popping
41:42out. Don't be surprised.
41:44I'm so happy to be here at Macy's dinner. I'm so
41:46happy to see that we're rekindling that relationship.
41:48I heard about Layla's
41:50Remove the Taboo party from Jen
41:52and I was a little surprised
41:54to hear that I wasn't invited.
41:56I'd like to think maybe it's because
41:58I just had baby Billy but I think
42:00that like I'm just not
42:02there yet maybe.
42:04I didn't know it was going to be like this.
42:06This is cute. Hey guys!
42:08Wow. I wasn't sure if I was supposed to knock
42:10or what. Hello!
42:12This place is so cute! Thank you!
42:14Okay.
42:16You guys want to hear
42:18why I brought you all here? Yes!
42:20To celebrate with you guys because I
42:22I
42:24got a book deal.
42:26Like officially like through a publisher?
42:28Yes. So I'm super excited.
42:30I've been working on this for so long
42:32and I feel like I'm going to shit.
42:36It means so much to you. The reason why I'm running
42:38a book
42:42I don't want snot coming out of my nose.
42:44Macy it's fine.
42:46So when I was first pregnant I didn't know what I was doing
42:48with my life. My dad came into my room
42:50and he handed this to me and he said
42:52write everything down. The good, the bad,
42:54the ugly, when you're mad, when you're sad,
42:56when you hate us, when you love us and maybe one day
42:58you can use it to help somebody else.
43:00And so I did and I wrote
43:02the darkest times of my life in here
43:04and that was like one day I'm going to
43:06write a book and so
43:08now it's happening so I feel like it's
43:10just a big full circle moment and so I'm just
43:12I'm just really excited because it's probably the biggest
43:14goal I've ever had.
43:16I am so excited for Macy
43:18that she has this opportunity
43:20to tell her story in a book. I know it's
43:22something she's always wanted to do.
43:24People can be like oh my gosh
43:26I'm going through the same thing. That's like what we're
43:28about in Mom Talk is
43:30sharing all of your things out to the world.
43:32That is seriously so amazing.
43:34Thank you. That is so cool.
43:36Thank you so much. I'm really
43:38excited as you can tell it's emotional because
43:40it's just like all my trauma. No your story is insane
43:42and I'm excited to have your shot to
43:44tell your story soon. It's so cool.
43:46So thanks for coming and celebrating
43:48and watching me cry.
43:50Demi seems a little
43:52maybe jealous but she's trying to
43:54hide it. Demi likes to put
43:56this up front that she's like this
43:58confident put together
44:00woman but to be honest I feel like
44:02she has more insecurities than anyone
44:04and she's really good at hiding it.
44:06Can't wait to see you be a best-selling
44:08author babe. That's the goal you guys.
44:10I'm putting up my vision board so
44:12it's going to happen.
44:15You guys have something
44:17else exciting going on.
44:19I am hosting a celebrity pickleball
44:21tournament in Arizona.
44:23What does that mean? Celebrity
44:25pickleball. I guess they're inviting different
44:27celebrities and they're playing a pickleball
44:29tournament. That's kind of a big deal.
44:31So are we all playing? You guys should come.
44:35If you want to come. Absolutely.
44:37Girls trade.
44:39That would be fun. Yeah.
44:41I am co-hosting the USA Pickleball
44:43Celebrity Match in Arizona and I am
44:45so excited and I thought what a better way
44:47to get the girls together and do a little girls
44:49trip. I'm already there. Our last
44:51girls trip went pretty badly.
44:53Girls trip. No boyfriends,
44:55no husbands. I did nothing wrong
44:57in this situation.
44:59So this will be a
45:01good way to do a do-over, get everyone
45:03together and hopefully mend
45:05friendships. It's a horrible idea.
45:07Okay you guys ready?
45:09We're playing a game.
45:11I'm confessing everything
45:13in this book so now it's time for you guys to
45:15confess. It could be spicy,
45:17it could be about yourself, it could be something that you've
45:19held in that you've never told people but tell us
45:21something of your truth. So it's a truth
45:23box. It's not the truth box. Do we have to guess
45:25who wrote it or no? It's all gonna be
45:27anonymous. Oh I bet it will.
45:29Just like the truth box was supposed to be.
45:33This is full 100% honesty.
45:35Okay. Honestly yeah
45:37a lot of what she does is trashy. Did I say that?
45:39You're being a bitch. I'm not the one that's going
45:41around trying to seduce other people's
45:43husband. I'm just hoping that this is a little
45:45bit more lighthearted and it doesn't
45:47end in tears. Are you ready for this Miranda?
45:49Is this my initiation? This is the
45:51initiation exactly.
45:53Welcome to MomTalk.
45:55I feel like I'm the only one
45:57that has a brain anymore. You should have it
45:59be something that no one knows publicly.
46:01This is probably not the best idea.
46:03I mean it
46:05could be lighthearted if you wanted it to be but also
46:07it could stir up some stuff.
46:09So many secrets. I was just
46:11gonna stir up more shit that I'm gonna have to
46:13deal with.
46:15Okay you guys ready?
46:17You start. This is your night.
46:19I am trying to get pregnant.
46:21It's Whitney or
46:23Tyler for sure.
46:25I once had a man suck on my
46:27toes. Then I immediately
46:29went.
46:31I've had sex in five high school parking
46:33lots. Holy shit.
46:35Why would you look at me?
46:37She's like every high school I could think of.
46:39The first time I swallowed I threw up immediately
46:41after.
46:43My favorite place to do it is
46:45in the swimming pool slash hot tub.
46:47Hashtag yummy.
46:49I'm like hashtag
46:51UTI.
46:53Oh no.
46:55I'm scared.
46:57I think Jen is fake.
47:06Maybe I'm fake.
47:08Okay well this escalated quickly.
47:10I think the comment was either from Demi
47:12and Kayla or
47:14Layla. Where are you in Dakota right now?
47:16We're not living together. So are you guys
47:18having sex?
47:20It's kind of hard to make
47:22passive when every time I open the internet
47:24somebody's making blatantly explicit videos
47:26about me. If I want to make videos about you
47:28I can do that because you're not my friend.
47:30Jen's
47:32my new Whitney. So it's like at what point
47:34are you just not going to look like a liar?
47:36Like it's bad. If they have an
47:38issue with me I would like to confront them.
47:40Some things went down in Italy. She was
47:42literally playing truth or dare with a ton
47:44of single men. If you ask her about the
47:46confession that Macy got with her