Skip to player
Skip to main content
Skip to footer
Search
Connect
Watch fullscreen
Like
Bookmark
Share
Add to Playlist
Report
'If You Would Be Quiet!': Dan Goldman And Kristi Noem Have Brutal Clash Over Kilmar Abrego Garcia
Forbes Breaking News
Follow
5/14/2025
At today's House Homeland Security Committee hearing, Rep. Dan Goldman (D-NY) clashed with DHS Sec. Kristi Noem over Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
Category
🗞
News
Transcript
Display full video transcript
00:00
I now recognize Mr. Goldman for five minutes questioning. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would
00:04
like to go back to Mr. Kilmar-Obrego-Garcia's case, Madam Secretary. But my first question for
00:11
you is a pretty simple one. It's basic civics. Which branch of government does the Constitution
00:18
give the authority to interpret what the law is, the judiciary or the executive branch?
00:25
Sir, going forward, the interpretation of the law, you make the laws in this body, the
00:32
judicial branch makes sure that they have integrity and they're applied properly to individuals.
00:37
Okay, so I'm just going to take that as the judiciary branch. Now, let's focus for a second
00:44
on what the judiciary branch has said about this case. We know the Supreme Court has said
00:49
nine to nothing that notwithstanding your statements under oath here today that Mr. Kilmar-Obrego-Garcia
00:58
was afforded due process. He was, in fact, not afforded due process because then if he were,
01:05
you would have seen the withholding order that did not permit him to be deported to El Salvador.
01:11
Now, you allege, and I guess the Attorney General alleges, that he's a member of MS-13.
01:16
That may very well be, that very well may be the case. And if he is, now that that is a foreign
01:27
terrorist organization, certainly the immigration laws would allow him and, in fact, require him to
01:34
be deported. I certainly would support that. But the problem that we have here is what you allege,
01:41
what Ms. Green alleges, what the Attorney General alleges, is not the judiciary. You don't get to
01:48
decide whether or not he is an MS-13 member. And you don't have to take my word for it because
01:57
Judge Wilkinson, a Fourth Circuit judge, very conservative, addressed this argument. He said,
02:04
the government asserts that Abrego Garcia is a terrorist and a member of MS-13. Perhaps, but perhaps
02:11
not. Regardless, he is still entitled to due process. If the government is confident in its
02:17
position, it should be assured that position will prevail in proceedings to terminate the withholding
02:25
of removal order. Will you commit right now to give Mr. Abrego Garcia that process where you can
02:33
prove your allegation that he is a member of MS-13? Congressman, that judge that you just quoted
02:40
did not say he was not a member of MS-13. Who did say that he was a member of MS-13 was law enforcement
02:47
officers that encountered this individual? Yeah, he knows that. This is a Fourth Circuit judge. He knows
02:52
all of what the evidence is. And he's saying if that evidence is. So you're not going to commit
02:56
to follow this order. You won't commit to follow this court order. Madam Secretary, I reclaim my
03:03
time. Stop filibustering. Stop filibustering. He was surrounded by gang members of MS-13. Will you give
03:08
Mr. Abrego Garcia the due process that the Supreme Court and Judge Wilkinson has required you to give
03:16
him? Abrego Garcia is an El Salvador resident who is in his home country. If he were to come back to
03:22
this country, he would be immediately removed again. How do you know? He has received and been
03:25
treated appropriately. How can you say he's been treated appropriately if the Supreme Court has
03:32
ruled 9-0? 9-0 that he hasn't been treated appropriately. Why is your opinion better and
03:42
have more authority than the Supreme Court? Investigators, two judges, an immigration court that all said he was
03:48
MS-13 and was removed from this country. But you understand that is you saying that. That is you
03:54
saying that. No, no, no, no. That is you making that determination. The court has considered all that.
04:03
The judge has considered all that, Madam Secretary. And if you would be quiet because I'm reclaiming my
04:08
time, you are not following this court order. But let's focus on the court order because this opinion
04:14
also says that to facilitate, which the Supreme Court is requiring, is an active verb. It requires
04:22
that steps be taken. What steps have you taken to return Mr. Abrego Garcia to allow him to get due
04:32
process? Abrego Garcia is in his home country. What steps have you taken? If your continued advocacy
04:39
for him? I'm not advocating for him. I'm advocating for a court order, Madam Secretary. The court order
04:46
says that you must take steps to follow the court order. You are here under oath. What steps have you
04:54
taken to return Mr. Abrego Garcia pursuant to this court order? It's got to be extremely discouraging
05:01
to be one of your constituents. To see you fight for a terrorist like this and not fight for them
05:06
is extremely alarming to me. I'm fighting for due process. And that's under the constitution.
05:13
The gentleman's time has expired. The gentleman's time has expired. I now recognize.
Recommended
0:46
|
Up next
Tesla’s Co-Founder Calls Out Elon Musk
Benzinga
today
1:30
8.8 Magnitude Earthquake Strikes Off Russia's Far East, Triggers Tsunami Alerts in Japan
TIME
yesterday
1:02
Kristi Noem: I Hope Kilmar Abrego Garcia Is Incarcerated 'For The Rest Of His Life'
Forbes Breaking News
7/21/2025
1:22
Nancy Pelosi Backs Proposal To Ban 'Congressional Stock Trading' Named After Her — 'Proud To Support It, No Matter What They Decide To Name It'
Benzinga
today
1:04
John Kennedy Responds To People Claiming Chuck Grassley Is Too Old To Serve In The Senate
Forbes Breaking News
today
2:31
Eric Swalwell Mercilessly Confronts Noem Over Trump's Doctored Pic Of Kilmar Abrego Garcia
Forbes Breaking News
5/19/2025
6:49
All Hell Breaks Loose When Marjorie Taylor Greene Attempts To Put Kilmar Abrego Garcia Claim Into Record
Forbes Breaking News
5/14/2025
5:09
Eric Swalwell Asks Kristi Noem Over & Over About Doctored Pic Of Kilmar Abrego Garcia Trump Pushed
Forbes Breaking News
5/14/2025
5:13
'You Are Breaking Your Oath': Robert Garcia Directly Confronts Kristi Noem About Deported Asylee
Forbes Breaking News
5/14/2025
5:52
Kristi Noem Asked Point Blank: Is DHS Seriously Planning Reality Show For Immigrants To Obtain Citizenship?
Forbes Breaking News
5/20/2025
5:44
Chris Van Hollen And Kristi Noem Exchange Blows Over Kilmar Abrego Garcia: 'I'm Not Vouching For The Man'
Forbes Breaking News
5/9/2025
6:06
Katie Britt Slams Dems For Focusing On Kilmar Abrego Garcia: Let’s Talk About ‘An Actual Maryland Resident’
Forbes Breaking News
5/9/2025
5:17
Julie Johnson Presses Kristi Noem About Merch Online That Can Let Vigilantes Pose As ICE Agents
Forbes Breaking News
5/14/2025
5:11
Andy Kim And Kristi Noem Clash Over Dems' Visit To New Jersey ICE Detention Center
Forbes Breaking News
5/20/2025
1:29
Dan Goldman Zings Republicans By Pointing Out There's No Court Order Establishing Abrego Garcia As MS-13
Forbes Breaking News
5/19/2025
5:36
Gary Peters Confronts Kristi Noem On Failure To Provide Required Notice To Congress On DHS Changes
Forbes Breaking News
5/30/2025
5:13
Kristi Noem Confronted Over 'Cruelty, Chaos, & Deep Disregard For Human Dignity' By LaMonica McIver
Forbes Breaking News
5/16/2025
7:31
Kristi Noem Touts Staggering Drop In Illegal Immigration Since Trump Took Office
Forbes Breaking News
5/14/2025
3:02
Dan Goldman And Kristi Noem Have Tense Exchange Over ICE Agents Wearing Masks During Arrests
Forbes Breaking News
5/15/2025
5:53
Josh Hawley Questions DHS Sec. Kristi Noem About Response To Deadly Storm In St. Louis, Missouri
Forbes Breaking News
5/21/2025
1:11
Kristi Noem Accuses 'Horrible' Kilmar Abrego Garcia Of Shocking Crimes
Forbes Breaking News
7/18/2025
1:13
Hakeem Jeffries Calls DHS Under Leadership Of Secretary Kristi Noem A ‘Complete And Total Embarrassment’
Forbes Breaking News
6/10/2025
5:16
GOP's Michael Guest Cites Bill Clinton's Own Words To Defend Expedited Removal Of Illegal Immigrants
Forbes Breaking News
5/14/2025
8:11
All Hell Breaks Loose When Andy Biggs Tells Dan Goldman: 'You Are Out Of Order, Be Quiet'
Forbes Breaking News
5/8/2025
2:36
Kristi Noem: This Is 'One Of The Most Alarming Things That I Heard' Before Taking Reins Of DHS
Forbes Breaking News
5/12/2025