- 5/12/2025
In this episode of Dialogue Works, Larry C. Johnson dives into Trump's latest diplomatic moves and questions whether Israel is still a top priority for the US. What does this shift mean for global politics? Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion on America's changing foreign policy! 🌍💡
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00:00:00Hi, everybody. Today is Monday, May 12th, 2025, and our friend Larry Johnson is back with us.
00:00:12Welcome back, Larry.
00:00:12I'm glad to be here. Thank God the world has not blown up yet.
00:00:18Larry, how do you define the current sort of relationship, we can call it,
00:00:28or sort of attitude on the part of Donald Trump toward Israel?
00:00:33They're trying to negotiate with Hamas without considering Israel, it seems, as you've learned.
00:00:39How do you evaluate that?
00:00:41Well, on the surface, the way the story is being told in public,
00:00:45it's like that talk your girlfriend in high school had with you.
00:00:50Say, you know, Nima, I think we need to start seeing other people.
00:00:54What?
00:00:55But, yeah, you know, at least the public reporting is that there is a rift that has developed,
00:01:09that Donald Trump has had about all of Bibi Netanyahu that he can stand,
00:01:15that he particularly resents what he believed is Bibi Netanyahu's manipulation of him.
00:01:21And he goes, duh, really took you that long to figure that out, huh, Donald?
00:01:28Hmm, there you go.
00:01:29That's amazing.
00:01:32But there seems to be some truth to it.
00:01:34The combination of Mike Waltz getting bounced from the National Security Council as the National Security Advisor just, you know,
00:01:46and then he's moved to be, you know, they're going to put him in some low-level position at the U.N.
00:01:52I mean, you know, the U.N. rep, but the way it was done and then followed up by the White House actually leaking talking to reporters about why it was done.
00:02:03Uh, then you had the agreement with the Houthis where the United States reportedly didn't say a thing to the Israelis about it.
00:02:14Then you've also had, uh, Trump order the B-2 bombers back to the United States, uh, out of Diego Garcia.
00:02:22And, again, they were only the, they were at Diego Garcia for a show, uh, because the reality is those bombers can fly out of their base in Missouri,
00:02:33uh, my, my old home state, and, uh, reach Iran.
00:02:38Um, so, you know, where the bombers are located really isn't, isn't critical.
00:02:43Um, then you get this, uh, no news of a hostage release that, uh, the American-Israeli, a dual citizen,
00:02:53uh, and that apparently this was negotiated direct with Qatar, Egypt, and Hamas, and Israel wasn't told anything about it.
00:03:02And then you have Bibi Netanyahu said, oh, well, we'll just have to learn to live without you.
00:03:08You have security assistance.
00:03:09Oh, from your mouth to God's ears.
00:03:13I hope that's true.
00:03:14Because if that's true, the, the genocide's going to stop, uh, and Israel is going to have to find another way forward other than being, uh, the most malicious, malevolent, uh, country on the block.
00:03:27Let me play a clip, Larry, for you.
00:03:32Here is Netanyahu talking about his strategy, long-term strategy he had long time ago.
00:03:42If you take away the Soviet Union and its chief proxy, the PLO, international terrorism would collapse.
00:03:49If you take out Saddam, Saddam's regime, I guarantee that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region.
00:03:58Uh, obviously we'd like to see a regime change, at least I would, in Iran, just as I would like to see in Iraq.
00:04:03The question now is a practical question.
00:04:06What is the best place to proceed?
00:04:07It's not a question of whether Iraq's regime should be taken out, but when should it be taken out?
00:04:12All victories you amass, the easier the next victory becomes.
00:04:16The first victory in Afghanistan makes the second victory in Iraq that much easier.
00:04:20The second victory in Iraq will make the third victory that much easier, too, but it may change the nature of achieving that victory.
00:04:29In the Middle East, Iran's axis of terror confronts America, Israel, and our Arab friends.
00:04:37This is not a clash of civilizations.
00:04:41It's a clash between barbarism and civilization.
00:04:44Yeah, he started with the Soviet Union, Larry, unbelievable, in 1982.
00:04:56Yeah, yeah.
00:04:57Hey, I think Bibi Netanyahu is 100% correct.
00:05:01It is a clash between civilization and barbarism.
00:05:05Iran's the civilized society and the Zionists are the barbarians.
00:05:12Yeah, so he's wrong.
00:05:14But, you know, that's not what he meant, but that's the reality.
00:05:19Yeah, that's quite a montage.
00:05:21He was wrong on every damn thing.
00:05:24So, you know, maybe he could become a stock advisor, you know, tell people where to invest their money,
00:05:29and whenever he'd make a prediction, all you'd have to do is do the exact opposite, and you'd become wealthy.
00:05:34Larry, you remember before Donald Trump coming to office, and you remember that clip that he was talking about Netanyahu and his goals.
00:05:51He said he doesn't want peace.
00:05:54He wants to...
00:05:56He knows what's the agenda on the part of Israel and Netanyahu.
00:06:00And do you think that his trip to...
00:06:05He's going to go to Saudi Arabia.
00:06:07Many people are speculating on what would happen, what Donald Trump would do.
00:06:12Do you think...
00:06:15I don't see any sign that he could convince Saudi Arabia in order to recognize, to normalize the relationship with Israel or without having a Palestinian state.
00:06:29What are the main objectives on the part of the Trump administration for this trip, for this visit to Saudi Arabia?
00:06:37I have no idea.
00:06:39I mean, not...
00:06:40You know, make Donald Trump look good.
00:06:42That's the primary objective.
00:06:45Make him...
00:06:45Give him a victory.
00:06:46Something he can claim.
00:06:47Look what I did.
00:06:49Okay, so...
00:06:50He's already got one of those accomplished.
00:06:52He got the release of this...
00:06:54Dual citizen.
00:06:56This American-Israeli citizen that has been held by Hamas.
00:07:01And...
00:07:01The kid's supposed to be released...
00:07:04In about an hour, I think.
00:07:06And then he's going to fly him off to Doha, I believe.
00:07:13And there, you know, Trump's going to have a...
00:07:15You know, look what I did.
00:07:17Look, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm great.
00:07:22You know, in the ideal world, the Saudis would have enough courage and conviction to tell Trump,
00:07:32Look, if you want to have normal relationships with us, you've got to stop the genocide in Israel.
00:07:40You've got to stop supplying those bombs.
00:07:42And you've got to insist that humanitarian assistance be taken to the Palestinian people.
00:07:47And if you do that, and then Israel recognizes a Palestinian state, then we'll recognize Israel.
00:08:00You know, that would be the kind of deal that you would construct in an elaborate fantasy novel.
00:08:07Now, is that going to happen?
00:08:09I doubt it.
00:08:11Boy, I'd love to be surprised.
00:08:14And people say, see, you were wrong, Johnson.
00:08:17Hey, great.
00:08:17If I could be wrong about things that bring peace to the world and stop the needless slaughter of these innocents, then, you know, great.
00:08:30I don't have an ego invested in this.
00:08:36Witkow, by the way, he said to Israeli media that they want to release the hostages,
00:08:41but the government in Israel doesn't allow them, doesn't let them to put an end to the conflict.
00:08:46Yeah.
00:08:48How, you, we know who's Witkow, and he, he definitely supports Israel.
00:08:57But the Israel he supports is totally different, it seems, from what Netanyahu wants Israel to be.
00:09:04Yeah, he, let's call him, he supports what I'd call the 70s, 80s version of Israel,
00:09:10where it was dominated primarily by, let's call him, European, Europeanized Jews,
00:09:17Jews with a, come out of a sort of a European point of view.
00:09:22Because now what, what has become dominant in Israel are these, these scriptural literalists.
00:09:34They believe that the Torah is, is the, you know, inviolate word of God,
00:09:41and that this land is our land, and these other people are the Amalek,
00:09:45and they must be destroyed, and we get from the river to the sea, that's our land, not theirs.
00:09:51And there's no, there is no reasoning with people like that.
00:09:58I mean, I've known people like that throughout my life.
00:10:03Once folks get seized with a religious conviction, and it's, it's not based in rational thought, it's, it's emotion.
00:10:14They've, they've convinced themselves that this, God wrote this down in this book, with this, God chose us,
00:10:22and we've got to abide by the word of God, and therefore we can kill, we can do whatever we want in the name of God.
00:10:30And it's okay.
00:10:34It's demonic is what it is, if you're going to put it in spiritual terms.
00:10:39But, you know, that's, that's what's taken hold of Israel now.
00:10:43So, Whitcoff, you know, the, they're, they're still a segment.
00:10:49Uh, I think they are now a minority segment in Israel, or let's, you know, less than 50%,
00:10:56but that are in, in what we'd call the rational camp.
00:11:00But, but even in that rational camp, uh, you've got a large number that, uh, want to be rid of the Palestinians.
00:11:08You know, it started in 1948, where they were, uh, basically run out of Ashkelon, and forced into the Gaza Strip.
00:11:22Then they tried to, you know, rebuild their lives from there, and now they're, uh, Israel's making it clear.
00:11:29They want to dock down every building, turn the place into a moonscape, and, and force these people to leave.
00:11:36They're going to have to leave in, in the, in the Bibi Netanyahu world.
00:11:40This attitude, uh, attitude of exchanging hostages is somehow happening at the same time that Netanyahu is, Netanyahu is talking about attacking Gaza and just destroying everything, making the, the land, the way that they cannot be able to live on.
00:12:03How do you think that Donald Trump still has the cause to force Netanyahu, or he just feels that he can find his way of dealing with Hamas in terms of American hostages?
00:12:19And then let, bring them back, don't care about what Israel would do.
00:12:23Well, Trump, the United States clearly holds the, the Trump card.
00:12:29You know, I'm not talking about one of Donald Trump's, you know, side business ventures to rake in some more cash, but the United States' role in supplying Israel with financial aid and military aid is critical.
00:12:45Israel can't live without it.
00:12:48You know, without it, Israel is, you know, extremely vulnerable.
00:12:52They're, the, the tensions that are already present in Israeli society, they're growing, not diminishing.
00:12:59So Trump is in a position really to, to dictate some terms here and, and force some changes.
00:13:06Whether he'll do it or not is a whole nother matter.
00:13:08I mean, you know, the guy is not exactly with, with respect to Israel and these affairs, but a profiling courage.
00:13:16So, um, you know, I, I hope to be very surprised by what he does.
00:13:25He's, I think he takes off, he either took off yesterday or he's taking off today.
00:13:30And the meetings in Saudi Arabia and Qatar and the United Arab Emirates will, you know, the, um, I guess the Qataris already offering to give him a new presidential jet.
00:13:43So maybe he'll reciprocate by, uh, throwing Israel under the bus.
00:13:51With coffees in Israel, he's talking with the, he's talking with the officials in Israel.
00:14:00It seems that he wants to do the same thing that he did before Donald Trump coming to office.
00:14:07Do you think that at this particular time, that would be easier or harder to do that?
00:14:12Oh, you know, the United States, it's easier from his standpoint that they're in a position that they can, they, the United States, can dictate terms to Israel, not the other way around.
00:14:29You know, the, the political reality in the United States is shifting.
00:14:36Uh, we've gone from, uh, where there was overwhelming support for the state of Israel to, because thanks in large part, because of social media, people are seeing the images of all these dead children, these murdered civilians and these thugs, these settlers who just, they're like gangs that go out and attack, you know, people in their homes and on their lives.
00:15:06And so right now, the growing number of people under the age of 50 despise Israel.
00:15:12And that's a problem for Israel going forward because going forward.
00:15:17They're not going to be able to count on buying off every American politician.
00:15:23You know, people like Marjorie Taylor Greene have been particularly courageous in this regard, speaking out, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, what's taking it out?
00:15:35you know what's taking place is serious when you know here's Mike Huckabee who you know he's not
00:15:43Jewish but by God he he pretends to be more Jewish than any any Israeli out there and insisting that
00:15:51there's no such thing as a Palestinian and Israel's got a right to all this land and the other day he
00:15:57said basically we don't have to tell Israel anything about what we're doing with the Houthis
00:16:02I was like what so we can at some point Israel's financial grip on the United States through
00:16:17bribery has got to come to an end and even for the sake of Israel because I mean it's really it's
00:16:25really turned them into a criminal state they have they have made themselves pariahs in the world I
00:16:35saw one video from Vietnam there was this you know Jewish family in Saigon and once the the restaurant
00:16:42owner realized they were Jews he said get the hell out I'm not serving you
00:16:46so the very thing that they claim that they want to avoid which is to be singled out and persecuted
00:16:55they're bringing it upon themselves now
00:16:57Larry when we look at the way that Donald Trump has decided to somehow get along or make a deal with
00:17:11Yemen and right now they're talking about Hamas and his visit to the Middle East he's not going to visit
00:17:21Israel and Pete Hexit he planned to go to Israel but he canceled that plan he said later on me I may go
00:17:31to Israel it seems that whatever is happening that we are not aware of is something under the surface
00:17:41that is happening that somehow some sort of tensions between the two administrations but
00:17:50is this tension coming from the Netanyahu's decision because Donald Trump is not happy we know that he's
00:18:00he's willing to put an end to any conflict as soon as possible in his mind but it's not in the mind of
00:18:05Netanyahu that's not possible that's why they're not getting along hey if you
00:18:10compute it put a musical track to your show you know we get the appropriate music here we get the
00:18:15hollies you know something's happening here what it is ain't exactly clear you know that would be a
00:18:24great song to put under this I think maybe part of the impetus was the shellacking that the United States
00:18:34took in Yemen so um Trump and his team you know were sitting around yeah man we're gonna go we're
00:18:43gonna so those Yemenis who's a tough guy we're a bunch of wimps like Biden and his crew by god they
00:18:50just haven't been hit hard enough and so yeah we're great we get back in the business of killing civilians
00:18:58civilians and we blow up a bunch of civilian sites and yet the houthis you know instead of shooting
00:19:05down one predator drone a month now start shooting down one a week and then on top of it by the end of
00:19:12the the fiasco the u.s has lost at least three f fa-18 hornets at 70 80 million dollars a pop so there's a
00:19:26quarter of a million dollars between those three aircraft alone and then when you add in the 15
00:19:32drones lost during the Biden administration plus seven more drones lost during the Trump administration
00:19:38that's 22 you come up with a you know basically about a billion dollars worth of lost equipment
00:19:46and so I think it was that frustration realizing okay this this ain't working and uh they got we got an
00:19:55escape route um this sultan of oman seems to be the key player and he's a key player in getting the
00:20:05united states and iran to talk and mediating that um i'm sure he's got the full support of russia and china
00:20:14and uh he's able to convince the united states that look uh you're going to come visit the the saudis
00:20:21the saudis frankly you're going to get a pretty frosty reception unless you can stop killing these
00:20:26houthis which is you know the irony there is go back two years three years they the houthis and
00:20:34the saudis were at each other's throat and so the you know the saudis have done a you know a complete uh
00:20:41uh volt fos you know reversal turnabout in this regard plus solidifying cementing
00:20:50a new era of relationship with iran so i you know i think you know you take all of that together
00:20:57um there was a recognition at the at the trump white house that um if they want to have any kind of
00:21:05success they're gonna they're gonna have to change what they're doing and part of that change is
00:21:12you know now i'm not sure we call it lessening support for israel but at least
00:21:17not appearing in public to be uh you know kissing israel's rear-ended every opportunity
00:21:28yeah one of the things that i do believe that the trump administration is considering right now is
00:21:37how the reality of the middle east has changed with the new sort of relationship between iran and
00:21:44saudi arabia in that clip that nadal was talking and you see the way that he's picturing the middle
00:21:54east saying that the arab states are getting closer to us and iran is the enemy it seems that it's totally
00:22:00the opposite yeah absolutely the opposite well look this is this is still i would argue a consequence
00:22:09of uh the special military operation in ukraine the attempt to isolate and destroy russia
00:22:18at the same time that the west was increasing its harsh rhetoric directed at china as an enemy
00:22:24as a military power that must be conquered when when you brought russia and china together into that
00:22:32partnership and then they accelerated the development of bricks as an alternative financial power
00:22:42in the world economy where nations no longer were going to be held hostage by the u.s dollar
00:22:49that you know that started to change and it's it's been like a chain reaction because iran has been
00:22:58brought into bricks so just from an economic standpoint iran's actually in a better position
00:23:06now than it was 10 years ago when they were pressured into the jcpoa that joint comprehensive plan of action
00:23:16and other nations in the global south are you know this is like a international version of the movie broadcast
00:23:29where people are throwing their windows open and yelling i'm mad as hell and i'm not going to take it
00:23:34anymore and that's what they're you know they're across there's a growing unity you know the uh a lot of u.s
00:23:44policy
00:23:48over the last you know 70 years has been uh let's call it a divide and conquer promote conflict
00:23:57if you think about it the reason nixon went to china was not because we loved the chinese they were
00:24:04just a tool to be used to go after russia when iran and rock you know when iran the ayatollah took over in 1979
00:24:18then the united states set about provoking the war encouraging the attack of iraq on iran
00:24:26and at the same time it was even stranger is the united states was also providing some military aid to iran
00:24:36all we wanted was to see that the iraqis and iranians kill each other god bless man the more
00:24:42the more of those middle eastern you know trash that we can kill the better
00:24:47war i mean you see how cynical how evil this is and then with respect to the houthis and the saudis
00:24:58we wanted to provoke that war in order to go after iran
00:25:03so much and this and then we're back to ukraine and russia provoked by the united states
00:25:10i i mean i love the concept of what my country was supposed to be
00:25:21uh really dedicated to freedom and to liberty and yet born out of depriving you know native americans of
00:25:30their land and born in part with a legacy of slavery despite those evils that were still at heart
00:25:40a concept of america being something better and different but now we look at what it what it's
00:25:45become in the post-world war ii era and we're like an we're like a goddamn arsonist
00:25:52we're running around setting fires and then you know all going in offering to sell fire insurance
00:26:01so uh it is it's not just an isolated instance
00:26:06so when we look at what's taking place now um i i think there's a realization maybe even a fear in
00:26:15washington that it's lost control of the narrative that with iran and the saudis now pledging support
00:26:23to each other in some very uh you know unprecedented ways and with china and russia flexing their
00:26:33their muscle as well and and particularly this new relationship comprehensive security agreement
00:26:40that russia signed with iran i think trump and company are playing catch-up in fact i don't even
00:26:46think they fully appreciate how profound these changes are we're we're we're in the we are in
00:26:53the early stages of the birth of a new world order whether it will usher in peace and prosperity for
00:26:59those who have been exploited for so many years uh whole nother question but uh the the ability of
00:27:07the united states to dictate and control i think is is it's coming undone
00:27:16larry we had the fourth round of talks between iran and the united states both said that it was
00:27:24difficult but useful and it's the situation the foreign minister of iran said that the the talks are
00:27:33getting more serious and how what's your evaluation of what's your take on what has happened in this
00:27:44round of talks between the two parties well the good news is they talked again okay so that's there's
00:27:51a silver lining and they're going to talk again so there will be a fifth round but now we come down
00:27:57to the heart of the issue and from iran what iran i think is willing to negotiate on is we will surrender
00:28:10all nuclear enrichment programs above 3.6 percent that enrichment rating at those levels will be held by
00:28:20russia and our research and medical isotopes will get from russia but iran is not going to eliminate
00:28:29a peaceful nuclear program nor should it have to the united states is insisting that oh you've got to
00:28:36stop it all and while you're at it get rid of those missiles and cut off contact with hamas hezbollah and the
00:28:44houthis if that remains the u.s position there will be no agreement and then the united states is gonna
00:28:52you know once again be faced with you know make you know or trump in particular he's made these threats
00:29:00and if they dare to attack iran it will be it will be the end of the trump administration
00:29:04because he will then be embroiled in a war that he cannot win and these these
00:29:15these pundits that populate the airwaves over here who think that we can just waltz in and crush
00:29:21iran and oh my god it'll be over in a week or two and they haven't learned a damn thing from history
00:29:29all these quick victories i mean going back to the civil war
00:29:33you had crowds of washingtonians and carriages riding out to the manassas
00:29:38battlefield law this could be great man we're going to crush the confederacy
00:29:42uh didn't turn out that way they lost that battle um similarly you know world war one was supposed to
00:29:52be over you know in the snap of an eye blink of an eye i mean yeah it's so you know vietnam
00:30:01iraq mission accomplished
00:30:03so this is this is one more disaster waiting to happen if they go down that route so um i i don't
00:30:16think iran is not in such a desperate strait that the united states can compel them to uh you know lose
00:30:27their entire nuclear program the the added advantage now is iran's got china and russia firmly in its in
00:30:33this camp in the to in the 2015 jcpoa negotiations they did not you know both russia and china each
00:30:42were sort of holding them at you know arm's length not now because i think they all recognize that the
00:30:50the game the united states has been playing is both malicious and destructive
00:30:54very there is a very substantial and important division within the republican party as we talk
00:31:08some of them are supporting israel and the way that net neo wants the policy of the united states to be in
00:31:15the middle east and like lindsey graham tom kahn that cruise on fox news he said that yeah lindsey graham
00:31:24and these people want to destroy iranian nuclear program and we know that if the talks go in that
00:31:34direction iran said this is a red line we're not going to do that right we're going to limit it we're
00:31:40going to limit enrichment of uranium but we're not going to destroy it and on the other hand we have
00:31:47the people like you call micro colin mcgregor and even scott raider who voted for donald trump but
00:31:57tucker carlson but you don't want to be to go and make a war making new war in the middle east
00:32:07here is what colin mcgregor said in terms of a direct war with their own
00:32:1634 years ago it was my honor and privilege to lead american soldiers to victory in battle
00:32:22to witness the courage and valor of american soldiers at a time and a place when death was all around us
00:32:30fortunately we sustained very few casualties however in the years that followed i watched many of the
00:32:36the soldiers i served with pass on not on foreign battlefields but on american soil frequently
00:32:43forgotten by the nation they served in one case a major who served with me as a lieutenant in 1993
00:32:50committed suicide the memories of the friends he lost in iraq during a pointless self-defeating occupation
00:32:58after 2003 were more than he could bear yet who today remembers the iraq war that began in 2003
00:33:08or that the american military intervention was justified on the utterly false grounds that wmd that
00:33:15is weapons of mass destruction were being built inside iraq the conflict took the lives of nearly 4 500
00:33:23americans in uniform not including contractors of course and cost two trillion dollars at least 800
00:33:31000 iraqi citizens were internally displaced and several hundred thousand iraqi citizens lost their lives
00:33:39tonight i break my silence not just for the young officer that committed suicide but for the wives husbands
00:33:48children and parents who endured the crushing grief of loss who received a folded flag and were left alone
00:33:57to trace the name of a loved one on a cold gravestone war is a predator it consumes our best our strength
00:34:06and our resources but its most terrible damage is often unseen war also forces americans to embrace brutality
00:34:16to justify barbarism to become something harder colder less humane president trump promised to stop the endless wars
00:34:28now he really needs to do it americans currently stand at what lincoln would call the fiery trial through which
00:34:36we pass war with iran or peace for america the choice will echo through generations
00:34:46we're very fortunate the iranians are willing to talk to us again and perhaps we can reach a solution
00:34:53but there are no guarantees that will take leadership from the highest levels from president trump
00:35:00let me speak plainly about what awaits if washington chooses war with iran within hours of the first
00:35:08strike iran will seal the strait of hormuz choking the artery through which one-fifth of the world's oil flows
00:35:16gas prices will not merely rise they may erupt like a volcano burning through family budgets the economic
00:35:24security americans built with their own hands since the pandemic disaster could be wrecked immediate
00:35:30price increases and loss of supplies could also result yet the cost and treasure stands as nothing before the
00:35:38cost and blood iran is not the iraq of our past wars iran consists of 85 million people fortified by
00:35:47mountains when the roman empire was young defended by modern weapons and effectively allied with nuclear
00:35:55armed powers russia and china that have drawn clear and unambiguous red lines for the first time since
00:36:04missiles stood in cuba we face not only the shadow but the real substance of nuclear confrontation
00:36:10not for our country but for the regional ambitions of a foreign state seven thousand miles from home
00:36:18we must face the truth that weaker allies often attempt to make their wars our wars the constitution
00:36:25place the power to decide for peace or war in your hands between now and midnight you should contact
00:36:34your representatives and senators with one message no war with iran
00:36:39lori the people who know what does war mean they just worrying about the conflict the the confrontation
00:36:56between iran and the united states and those people who are political who don't know anything about war
00:37:02they're just advocating to get more aggressive toward your own how how if you were to talk with republicans
00:37:13who voted for donald trump who wants something for the united states who want to get rid of the conflict
00:37:19in ukraine in the middle east and maybe a better future with china what is how can you talk with them
00:37:28what would be your main point to them i always try to deal with facts you know i applaud doug let's call
00:37:35that his smedley butler moment of the 21st century do you know who smedley butler is or was
00:37:44no no so he was the at the time the most highly decorated marine uh in the u.s marine corps and in the
00:37:511930s he wrote a book war as a racket and he described how he realized looking back on his career
00:38:00he had been continuously used to go wage war on unsuspecting foreigners on behalf of banking and
00:38:09manufacturing and agricultural interests financial interests and so that's part of what doug is pointing
00:38:17out what i've been trying to do repeatedly and unfortunately i i'm i'm really a such a small
00:38:25voice uh you know i try to you know build up sonar 21 so that people will come and read and take on
00:38:34board the things i put out but uh this one narrative for example that iran is this terrible terror
00:38:41terrorist state irredeemable um and that uh you know it the facts don't back that up but that's the
00:38:50narrative it's been constructed and iran by you know some of its language early on in the revolution the
00:38:59start of the revolution back in 79 and 80 you know contributed to help the you know provided ammunition to
00:39:09the west that the cia british mi6 could then use effectively to paint is uh paint iran as this
00:39:18you know irredeemable terrorist state uh we've you know so what i would try to do is you know and what
00:39:25i have been trying to do is put out the facts that you know iran despite the claim that iran's the
00:39:33number one sponsor of terrorism according to the u.s state department's own reports which are provided
00:39:38from the u.s intelligence community uh for you know the last you know 20 years you've not had
00:39:48uh you've only had a couple of occasions where groups that were sponsored by iran were put in
00:39:53the top 10 terrorist groups and that was october 7th which we can have it entirely i i do not believe
00:40:02agree that that was quote terrorism there were some aspects that would be considered as terrorist
00:40:08attacks in terms of attacks on civilians for political purposes but by and large it was
00:40:14basically a hamas raid on u.s on israeli military sites and military personnel but that narrative
00:40:21again that narrative is blocked so trying to break people out of these narratives is is you know what
00:40:27i hope to do but you know nema look the reality is it's going to take some sort of disaster
00:40:35where the united states has you know acts upon its fantasies and it blows up in their face
00:40:43and then only in in the depths of defeat do they come to grips with man we got to change what we're
00:40:50doing we can't keep doing this uh you know i hope it doesn't come to that but that that's my fear
00:40:56that's where i think we're headed if we continue to insist on these false narratives and and and
00:41:05and the heart of this false narrative is that we've got to generate international threats in order to
00:41:10keep funneling money into the military industrial complex i mean raytheon lockheed martin boeing general
00:41:19dynamics and frankly there are probably a thousand more dod contractors that are sitting there you
00:41:27know sucking on the hind tit of uncle sam
00:41:33do you think that would be possible for any administration in the united states to shift
00:41:38the interest of these companies that you've mentioned military industrial complex
00:41:42to shift their focus on something else i don't know space program and something else instead of being
00:41:50sending weapons just producing weapons for the united states but not just igniting a new war like
00:41:58in ukraine or in the middle east because do you see that coming to the united states i it needs to
00:42:06happen but i don't see it i don't see it coming again barring some catastrophe uh you know here again
00:42:15i look at trump oh yeah we're gonna cut the budget and then he's boosting the defense budget up to over a
00:42:23trillion dollars for god's sake it's going the wrong direction you know there are cuts that have to be made
00:42:32but we refuse to make those cuts and part of it is there's so much institutional interest tied up in
00:42:38this uh our system is corrupted it is it is corrupt and it's it's going to kill itself
00:42:51yeah
00:42:54larry the conflict in ukraine and donald trump it seems that russia is going to talk with ukrainians in
00:43:00instambul how much of a deal is that how much of a change is that well ukraine is not going to talk
00:43:13to russia until you know zelinski issued a decree in september 2022 maybe it was october i don't remember
00:43:22recall the precise state making it illegal a criminal act for any ukrainian to talk to the russians
00:43:30so let's see what happens today to you know so it's already um 6 p.m uh in kiev and in russia
00:43:41and moscow that you know has zelinski reversed that decree you know if he reverses that decree and says
00:43:49okay yeah we'll go talk to the russians and that's a good start now talking doesn't mean cease fire
00:43:56the west is demanding you've got to institute an unconditional ceasefire russia's not going to do
00:44:02that um if they did that they'd be fools and in fact you know if if putin agreed to something like
00:44:11that he probably ought to be ousted from office but uh putin's not going to do that uh i i just posted uh
00:44:20about a half hour ago at sonar21.com at least it's supposed to have been posted
00:44:26the speech that vladimir putin delivered on february 24th 2022
00:44:32uh if anybody listening to uh nema and i talking right now have not read that speech please go to
00:44:39sonar21.com and read it for yourselves it because it it it answers the question vladimir putin says
00:44:50we're gonna we'll we can only get into a ceasefire once we've dealt with the root causes of this
00:44:56conflict and that speech he lays out chapter and verse what are the root conflicts of uh of that conflict
00:45:07and um until those are settled and what boils down to it's nato it's the expansion of nato
00:45:17it's the duplicity the deviousness the maliciousness of the west of nato that's got to stop
00:45:24because this the the west desire to conquer and destroy russia got to be put to an end so um putin
00:45:34putin made this offer as a counter to the the this uh cocaine field party they had in kiev
00:45:46with uh starmer and macron and merits and and uh tusk and uh and uh zelinski i mean and people say
00:45:56what do you mean cocaine field they got they got a picture of these guys on the train and you see
00:46:02basically the little bag that had the cocaine and you see the spoon that's used to put cocaine up one's
00:46:07nose for god's sake you know a bunch of junkies that are leading to you know the european union uh but
00:46:14anyway they came out of this and demanded an unco you know an immediate ceasefire for 30 days
00:46:20and you know and if not we're going to impose sanctions and then uh you know it's clear the
00:46:27russians knew this was coming that they had intelligence that this was going to happen
00:46:32and they prepared a response and putin showed up it was about 1 45 a.m moscow time and said look
00:46:40uh we'll be happy to hold unconditional talks right now uh with uh ukraine but it doesn't mean we're
00:46:48going to stop fighting it doesn't mean we're going to impose the ceasefire but come and talk
00:46:54we'll go back to where we had an agreement before that then ukraine walked away from at the demands of
00:47:00the united states and great britain so we'll you know we'll we'll see if they you know i i don't think
00:47:08i don't think zelinski will show up in istanbul on thursday uh because to do so he's got to reverse
00:47:17that decree yeah here is glory the video that you yeah there we go riding that train high on
00:47:31cold it's a long walk back in poland and through my bathroom huh yeah literally yeah we came through
00:47:42germany yeah we made it to the german bedroom and yeah we're guarding up through the border yeah
00:47:48yeah look there's my crow going oh holy there's a cocaine bag let's just move that out of the table
00:47:54real quick and then mertz over there covers uh covers up the cocaine spoon and moves that off the table
00:48:01yeah this is it you need to put it with with this put on the jerry garcia you know grateful dead track
00:48:09you know riding that train high on cocaine i mean good god yeah just like made for television
00:48:18unbelievable and these guys gonna talk with zelinski
00:48:22yeah maybe they're doing magic mushrooms and some lsd they really get uh off into a new you know a new
00:48:35realm of uh consciousness i think donald trump needs to see this to see who are these people that he's
00:48:43dealing with yeah a bunch of a bunch of damn teenagers i mean man dressed dressed up in adult bodies
00:48:50these these are a bunch of juveniles yeah it's so amazing how fast the chancellor of germany has joined
00:49:01hey they were prepared got some coke for you here buddy oh i don't drink coca-cola no not that coca-cola
00:49:09oh god
00:49:17larry last time they talk russia and ukraine talked to each other in instanbol there were a there were
00:49:27some good chances of reaching a an agreement between russia and ukraine which was sabotaged by
00:49:36boris johnson sure well not just boris johnson it was joe biden and lloyd austin johnson was just the
00:49:44water boy
00:49:47you know he was just there here's your bucket of water carry it over there boy
00:49:52that was boris johnson
00:49:54i assume that they're trying these people that we saw on the train they're trying to do their best to
00:50:00do the same right now and i would wonder how much zelensky is in trouble right now in ukraine and how
00:50:08desperately he needs to some sort of to put some sort of end to the conflict in ukraine um
00:50:18i continue to believe that uh he's not going to survive uh this experience and that he'll be
00:50:25forcibly removed at some point uh russia is going to break through the the fact is probably breaking
00:50:33through today if not tomorrow into nitro petrovs so they will have inserted uh there'll be experience
00:50:41and potential genuine breakthrough where a large amount of territory will now be retaken by russia
00:50:48um this we've got to understand that in this entire war ukraine they're the organ grinder monkey okay
00:51:03you know the organ grinder grind you know plays the organ and the monkey dances around and takes a cup
00:51:09around racing to get trying to get money from the crowd that's zelensky he's he's not driving this
00:51:18train either he's a passenger um and this is all about the west trying to destroy russia and using
00:51:28ukraine for that purpose that has been frankly it's been a it's been a plan in the works for more than
00:51:3530 years and just finally came to a culmination and uh you know once you know putin knew putin knew in
00:51:452008 that this was the reality he was facing but he also knew that uh he's smart enough to look down
00:51:54and say okay uh if i'm going to build this house do i have enough money to pay for all the material
00:52:01do i have enough money to pay the workers do i actually have the materials they didn't have that in
00:52:092008 they didn't have in 2014 but 2022 they have it that's why he launched a special military operation
00:52:17and it's been proven since then despite all the western predictions that uh russia would collapse
00:52:24russia would uh running out of missiles that putin's gonna die any day now you know no russia's come out on
00:52:32top and uh you know he recognizes they're in this existential struggle uh i i candidly the the only
00:52:41way i think this will ultimately end is uh the dismantling of nato that's what it's going to take
00:52:48here is what donald trump said about the meeting in istanbul
00:52:51no i insisted that that meeting take place and uh it is taking place and i think you may have a good
00:52:59result out of the thursday meeting in turkey between russia and ukraine and i believe the two
00:53:06leaders were going to be there i was thinking about flying over i don't know where i'm going to be on
00:53:09thursday i've got so many meetings but uh i was thinking about actually flying over there there's a
00:53:14possibility of it i guess if i think things can happen but we got to get it done we got to save 5 000 lives a
00:53:20week 5 000 lives really more than that's worse than that and when you see the and yeah he's he said
00:53:27that he may go there and it seems that they're gonna inform him how the the temperature of the
00:53:34negotiations the the tone of the negotiations i'm sorry he's so full of crap i mean he's the enabler of
00:53:42this war were it not for the united states this war would be over it is the united states supply of
00:53:49intelligence and material arms and weapons and personnel that has kept it going and trump's acting
00:53:57like you know butterfly mcqueen i don't know nothing about birth of no babies you know this boy these
00:54:04guys i don't know why they're fighting he actually he's some spectator on the side
00:54:10it's obscene you know he's he's got blood on his hands i mean it was during his first administration
00:54:23that the they put the finishing touches on building up the ukrainian army so they could
00:54:29go after russia and he made sure that they got weapons something that obama didn't even do for god's sake
00:54:35yeah i'm i'm i'm growing tired of his act
00:54:44from what we've learned from the u.s presidents you call it obama clinton
00:54:53even donald trump they always mention that vladimir poland is so much
00:54:59direct and honest in the way that he's expressing himself and his position
00:55:04do you think that if he donald trump meets with
00:55:07putin is it possible that putin says it's because of you that the war is continuing the
00:55:15the main reason that we have this mess in ukraine is because of you you can just get out of ukraine
00:55:21and that would solve everything yeah i would hope so i would hope you'd say that but
00:55:26um you know who knows if that meeting will take place you know trump's got a lot of irons in the fire
00:55:34and uh you know he's going to be doing a victory lap today because the initial
00:55:40results of the talks of the chinese uh in switzerland uh got the stock market soaring
00:55:48uh of course again this is all the way the united states tells the story it's just like
00:55:55trump oh yeah the yemenis capitulated no you walked out you guys pulled out and you know those chinese
00:56:03they came crawling begging for a deal no you guys were the one that called china and said can we meet
00:56:08please we're sorry come let's let's see if we can work something out and then get the ground so yeah
00:56:14boy we we convinced those chinese they're they're not going to boss us around you know it's just it's
00:56:19theater it's theater it's not real larry is that a good sign that they they have decided to talk to
00:56:34each other chinese and the united states talking is always better than fighting you know this is um
00:56:43but you know i think in the talking it's just you know i use the the metaphor of a you know a couple
00:56:52that have been separated because one spouse beats up the other as a is an abuser so they get back
00:57:01together to talk but you know for the spouse that's been the target the victim of the abuse there's that
00:57:08recognition uh this person really hasn't changed so we got to you know we're not going to go back
00:57:15full-fledged into the relationship but we'll you know we'll get along for the sake of the kids but
00:57:21we're gonna keep i'm gonna keep my distance we'll we'll do what we need to do in order to have a
00:57:27professional relationship but nothing beyond that that's where i think frankly you know the chinese
00:57:32and the russians are dealing with the west they recognize that we're you know we're a fundamental
00:57:38abuser and are not to be trusted you know with the what's funny is you always you hear uh
00:57:47american pundits about talking about russia and china they break every agreement that
00:57:52that's the united states has been breaking the agreements not them
00:57:55but you know we get we get locked into these narratives where we have to you know portray
00:58:01russia and china is the enemy and the united states is the virtuous cowboy
00:58:06you know our garments are cleaned we're the good guys
00:58:13it seems that she could be helpful for the case of ukraine because china is not a party to the conflict
00:58:19in ukraine the united states and europeans and russia they are involved in ukraine but china is from
00:58:27outside if he said if they try to do something with the united states and russia that would be helpful
00:58:34and well actually you're wrong china is directly involved because the plan was to use ukraine to attack
00:58:44and defeat russia in order to weaken russia and bring russia firmly in as a vassal of the west
00:58:52for what purpose to attack china to destroy china so this these and the chinese understand that
00:59:03i believe that they fully understand that and so that yeah they've got a vested interest in seeing
00:59:10um not just this war in because we're looking at it the wrong way i think this is just a fight between
00:59:18russia and china you know those two they just can't get along no no no no no no no no no
00:59:26ukraine has been a tool it's been used and uh the real the real we've got to go after the people who are
00:59:37wielding the tool who are behind it that's the west that's the united states in particular
00:59:47one way of putting it into the conflict would be negotiations that it seems right now they're
00:59:54willing to do but if they don't do that if they go to the same direction that the european countries
01:00:01france germany and the united kingdom are advocating for do you think do you see the possibility of
01:00:09ukraine losing
01:00:12kiev or maybe somehow russia won russia capturing more land well no russia is going to catch i believe
01:00:20before this is over russia will take kiev they'll take nip nipropetrovsk uh they'll take kharkiv
01:00:27they'll take summa sumi and they'll take potava they will control all territory that is east of the
01:00:34dnieper river and they will also take and hold odessa
01:00:41you know and uh in the process uh you know ukraine's going to be militarily destroyed
01:00:48but russia russia's i think russia's clear demands are
01:00:52that you negotiated into this every nato officer is get the hell out of ukraine no more nato in ukraine
01:01:01shut down any base facility operated by funded by supported by nato gone and that ukraine no longer
01:01:11participates in any nato exercises and that nato and the united states military end all intelligence
01:01:18support for ukraine i think that's ultimately what russia's good personally that's what i would
01:01:27demand if i'm the russians that's the only way this is going to end otherwise you leave that intact
01:01:33they're going to keep coming after you and the war will continue eventually
01:01:36and the middle mineral deal between the united states and ukraine would facilitate that oh
01:01:43it's that's irrelevant that's just that's kabuki theater you know oh look at what we own that we
01:01:50can't control or get access to because the russians own it you know please you know this is uh this was
01:01:58just uh a stunt it's not it you know maybe what it is solidifies the fact that you know okay the united
01:02:06states yeah we're we're back in ukraine so we now got a financial interest great you're going to be going
01:02:12to war with russia you choose but russia's russia's not going to stop its military advance until those
01:02:22fundamental root causes are addressed larry before wrapping up this session the case of pakistan and
01:02:31india how do you still believe that there is possibility of escalation between the two countries
01:02:40or we can say that they could somehow manage to put an end to the conflict yeah i think i think the
01:02:46i think the danger of the escalation is always there but but i think they've sort of come to their senses
01:02:52and realized they're being played you know pakistan and india were being played in this so um you know
01:03:02they've um this this was this was really instigated by outsiders to get them fighting it wasn't that
01:03:15amazing that pakistan was asking russia to help them not no no one else but russia well you know russia's
01:03:23russia's played a role um and the um um um iran and china they're all working behind the scenes you know
01:03:37trump's trying to take credit uh to suggest that um you know this is um we're playing we're the main
01:03:47ones moving this but uh the reality is um there are a variety of countries involved so i i think for
01:03:57now it looks like it's going to calm down but you know you got you got knuckleheads on both sides who
01:04:03are you know making threats and you know pounding their chest yeah exactly thank you so much larry for
01:04:11being with us today hey my pleasure man great pleasure i guess we'll see you on friday yeah
01:04:18for sure we'll have more sure we'll have more to talk about we're gonna have cole joining us
01:04:27oh the larry larry show will be back on live huh yeah exactly see you all right bye-bye
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