00:00Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. A question for each of you. Is calling for the genocide of Jews protected speech on your campus, starting with Haverford?
00:09No, of course not.
00:10And what disciplinary action has been taken or would be taken if someone made that call?
00:17Representative, there have been no such calls, and we would use all of our disciplinary actions to follow through on any such call.
00:25I would never expect that to happen at Haverford, and if it would, we would deal with that swiftly.
00:30Well, let me ask you a specific question, then.
00:32There was a student group on Haverford's campus who called for the complete dismantling of the apartheid settler colonial state of Israel, by all means necessary.
00:42What does by all means necessary mean to you?
00:47Invoking that kind of terminology is repugnant because of what it can mean, and I will not...
00:53So does that depend on the context?
00:54I will not defend that statement.
00:57So what disciplinary action was taken against that group or those individuals who made that call?
01:04Any disciplinary action?
01:10Was there any disciplinary action taken against that group or those individuals?
01:15Those kinds of statements are very challenging.
01:18I'm not asking you if you're repugnant.
01:20I'm asking about the disciplinary action.
01:23You were the one university president who failed to lay out if any disciplinary action has been taken, if any suspensions or expulsion.
01:30So I am asking you, was there any disciplinary action taken?
01:34Disciplinary action can include expulsion and...
01:38I'm not asking what it can include.
01:40I'm asking, was it taken?
01:41I will not be talking about individual cases here, and I'm saying that that is...
01:48So have there been any disciplinary actions taken by Haverford related to anti-Semitism?
01:53Any?
01:53Disciplinary actions are absolutely in our work against anti-Semitism.
02:01Have they been taken by Haverford?
02:03Yes, there have been some.
02:05I want to ask you another example.
02:07There was a professor of mathematics and statistics who posted after the October 7th Hamas terrorist attacks, quote,
02:14We should never have to apologize for celebrating these scenes of an imprisoned people breaking free from their chains.
02:20This was a historic moment to be recorded in their history books.
02:24Jewish students have reported that you said this post could be, quote, perceived in many ways.
02:29Does this post simply depend on the context, President Rabin?
02:33And were there any disciplinary actions taken against this professor?
02:36Such posts have been incredibly harmful to our entire community, and I disavow them and that outcome for us.
02:48Was there an investigation of the professor?
02:50Investigations happen in all such cases.
02:54So, yes, in this case.
02:57Investigations happen in all such cases, as I have said.
03:01And we follow.
03:03This is a simple question.
03:04The other presidents are answering this straightforward as to disciplinary action.
03:08Again, these university presidents who are former presidents fail to answer these direct questions.
03:13In this case, was there disciplinary action taken or an investigation of this professor?
03:17Respectfully, Representative, I will not be talking about individual cases.
03:23Respectfully, President of Haverford, many people have sat in this position who are no longer in the positions as president of universities
03:30for their failure to answer straightforward questions.
03:33Another question I have, because this is a theme at Haverford, there was an administrator
03:37who said that, quote, racial minority students have never felt safe at Haverford and that Jewish
03:42prospective students should not expect to feel safe and should instead be brave.
03:47This was according to litigation against your college.
03:50Was there any investigation into this administrator for making those statements?
03:57That report does not reflect the administrators that I know who stand strongly with me and the entire college against anti-Semitism.
04:07So that didn't happen is your position?
04:10Was that statement not made by that administrator?
04:13That statement does not comport with those administrators that I know.
04:18I'm not asking if it comports with the administrators that you know.
04:21I'm saying is it your testimony that that statement did not happen, even though it's coming out in litigation?
04:27So are you saying it did not happen?
04:30What I am saying is that I cannot imagine that happening from those colleagues of mine.
04:36Well, let me ask you, if it did happen, what disciplinary action would Haverford take against that administrator?
04:45At Haverford, we do not tolerate discrimination or harassment or bias.
04:51And what does that mean, not tolerate?
04:52Does that mean suspension, firing of that individual?
04:55What does that mean?
04:59It means following all of our policies, which begin with investigation and then can lead to any of the aspects that you that you listed.
05:08For the American people watching, you still don't get it.
05:12Haverford still doesn't get it.
05:14It's a very different testimony than the other presidents who are here today who are coming with specifics.
05:21So, again, this is completely unacceptable.
05:24And it's why this committee has stepped in, because higher education has failed to address this gorge of anti-Semitism,
05:32putting Jewish students at risk at Haverford and other campuses across the country.
05:36I yield back.
05:37I thank the gentle lady.
05:38I recognize now the gentle lady from North Carolina.
