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00:00:00Just because it's unidentified doesn't mean it's extraterrestrial. It just means it's
00:00:06unidentified. We don't know what it is. So I start asking the entity,
00:00:12like, do you need some water? You okay? And it never stopped. It was kind of like a guard at
00:00:19the London Palace, you know, had a mission. And it was the most loving and peaceful feeling you
00:00:28could imagine. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to WatchMojo and the Unveiled podcast. I'm your host,
00:00:33Rob. And today, my guest is Sarah Gamm. She is an intelligence analyst with a background in
00:00:38astrophysics. And she is formerly a member of the Department of Defense's UAP Task Force,
00:00:44which aimed to detect, analyze, and catalog UAPs. And she joins me today to talk about her experience
00:00:50with that and to explore the complexities, the many complexities of the UAP phenomenon. Sarah,
00:00:57it's a pleasure to speak with you. Thanks for joining us.
00:00:59Hi, thank you for having me. It's good to meet you and good to be here.
00:01:02Let's get started with a little bit of background on yourself. I'm interested that, you know, you have
00:01:08an education in astrophysics, which is awesome to start with. But how did you get how did you get from
00:01:13there to interested in UAPs? And how did you end up on this task force?
00:01:17Yeah, I mean, it's it's kind of all tied together, right? You look up to look at the stars, and
00:01:22you also look up to see UAPs. So the love forum started at a young age, I grew up on a farm in
00:01:31Missouri. So middle of nowhere, it's, you know, sky country, God's, God's land. So and here's
00:01:39Krypton already. So he's making an early appearance tonight. Nice to have you too.
00:01:43Yeah. So I ended up just falling in love with the stars at a young age. And then it just kind of
00:01:49progressed to that of watching sci fi and X files, and really enjoying all the things out there,
00:01:59because I also grew up religious. So luckily, my family embraced all my weirdness. I read all the
00:02:06R.L. Stein books when I was little and loved all the vampire and the cryptid things and, and then all
00:02:12the UFO stuff. So I fell in love with X files, though, is where the story is going. And I fully embrace
00:02:19Mulder. But then the science side of me really, I felt I felt like I was both worlds, Mulder and
00:02:25Scully. So that's kind of where the drive started. In my adult life is the foundation of loving looking
00:02:33up and and then X files and always having an open mind. So very general question about the task force.
00:02:39What was your biggest takeaway? After, you know, completing your time with it?
00:02:44Biggest takeaway? How important collaboration is. I've always known that I've had other jobs prior to
00:02:53that, where I actually worked in a place called the joint collaboration cell that unfortunately no
00:02:59longer exists anymore. It closed because it did its job. And it taught people how to collaborate in the
00:03:04intelligence community. And, and so it was really important to talk to so many people and not
00:03:14hesitate to ask questions. And also, you have to have thick skin, because some people might laugh at
00:03:21what you're doing, especially, you know, nowadays, it's more common to talk about it. But like back in 2019,
00:03:27and 2020, when I was on supporting the task force from NGA, it was not as common of a thing. And so
00:03:35you had to have thick skin and be persistent, which luckily, I have all of that a very independent
00:03:41person. So yeah, biggest takeaway, though, I would say is the amazing collaboration that was done between
00:03:48task force members, and others who supported and, and helped the diverse group that we had.
00:03:55Were there any moments where task force members disagreed on certain findings or conclusions about
00:04:04evidence that you guys observed?
00:04:06No, absolutely, for sure. I mean, we're all humans, right? We're not going to have
00:04:09the same standpoint and the same views, or the same opinions. And so whenever we would, there was a case
00:04:16that was researched for many months. And there was evidence showing it was, I'll say a, it was a,
00:04:25which was science based evidence, and then B, which was unknown. And so it was literally 5050 split down
00:04:31the middle on what it was. So because it was so strong, we had to label it as unidentified, but with
00:04:38the caveat, this is also what it could be. So yeah, there was definitely disagreements, but we were all
00:04:46respectfully of each other with it, too, which was really great.
00:04:50What's the most compelling evidence that is out in the public for UAPs? Let's say for the skeptic,
00:04:57what would you point them to as, as the most compelling evidence that UAPs are a real thing?
00:05:01Yeah, that's, I'm laughing because there is evidence out there and people don't like it,
00:05:08what they see, and they want more. So I'm laughing because like, what, what is out there, I think is
00:05:14amazing. Like Jake Barber's egg aircraft, recovery aircraft. That's incredible. That's, oh, and people
00:05:21are unhappy with it. And then there's a new, new video that came out from Navy Liberation Times put it
00:05:29out like last week, I think, or within the past couple weeks. That was also really good. And people
00:05:35are also upset about it. Like that's not in 4k or whatever. So I don't know how to answer that,
00:05:42because no matter what, I don't think people are going to be happy, but there's so much out there
00:05:46right now that is, you know, declassified, like the Nimitz, the Tic Tac, and folks are still
00:05:54discounting things, especially from military leaders that have reported this as well. So they're
00:06:00discounting eyewitness experience and coverage, like the video coverage. So I'm sorry, I don't know how
00:06:09to answer that other than no one's happy, no matter what you think that nobody, you know,
00:06:14people who don't want to be satisfied, just won't be satisfied, no matter what. Is that the kind of
00:06:17the conclusion I, from my, so for, for those that also don't know, I am a psychic medium as well. So
00:06:26from my spiritual route that I've taken over the past, I don't even know, seven years of my life.
00:06:32So it's been fairly recent. Like your ego protects you and will always make you believe like
00:06:39confirmation bias. So your confirmation bias will kick into high gear saying, well, no, like the,
00:06:47the Nimitz is a balloon. I'm making this up right now, but like the Tic Tac is a balloon. And so you
00:06:53keep making things up to confirm your bias that is a balloon instead of looking at the actual evidence
00:06:58and listening to the testimonies that were before Congress. Um, so I think it's a matter of either
00:07:05protecting the ego or confirmation bias, which really boils down to, um, it's hard, it's hard
00:07:11concepts to, to, uh, what, what's the right word, like a hard pill to swallow, I guess, or, or something
00:07:18hard to grasp for our human minds. Um, everything about UAPs is difficult from knowing we're not alone.
00:07:27And so if you were raised in a way to not believe that, that that's hard.
00:07:33I definitely want to dig deeper into your life as a psychic medium. I find it fascinating.
00:07:37It's, it's quite a contrast between the scientific and then this, you know, more intuitive side.
00:07:43How do you balance that? How have you balanced that in your life and in your career, the balance
00:07:47between focusing on intelligence and data and intuition?
00:07:52Yeah, I, I actually keep them in two separate buckets because if I operated in both worlds at
00:07:59all times, I would be exhausted because it does take a lot of energy to operate on the spiritual
00:08:05world side of things, but my intuition's always there. And I, I've learned, I learned before my
00:08:11spiritual journey to listen to my intuition. So, um, it, I do tend to keep things separate,
00:08:18but every once in a while there'll, there'll be something that'll pop up in my mind where I'm
00:08:22like, Oh, that wasn't my idea. That was something like spiritual and I'll go down that path. So
00:08:29it'll be like a, you know, that hunch feeling or something that you get sometimes. So that's
00:08:34sometimes that little, little nickel in the back of your mind. Um, and then every once in a while,
00:08:40I'll, I'll actually have like a spiritual encounter while I'm at work. So I worked at the Pentagon,
00:08:45um, not quite a year. I left earlier this year for a new job, but some spiritual things like ghost
00:08:54encounter type situations would happen at my desk and, you know, stuff like a headset to the phone
00:09:00would fall off the wall. And, and it would be, my coworkers would be around and it would just all
00:09:04of a sudden fall off the wall. And I would let them know, like, no, I'm off the clock. I have a hard
00:09:09boundary. I'm not talking to you right now. And then I discovered, I sat not too far from the
00:09:15corridor where the plane hit. So I was like, Oh, this makes sense. They probably just wanted to say
00:09:20hello. And so, um, I approached them later, like when I was done working for one day and let them
00:09:27have some words of peace and, uh, yeah. So like some things like that happen once in a while, but I
00:09:34don't expect them and I don't welcome things in like that.
00:09:37How did that side of your life all start for you? Was that from a young age that you were,
00:09:42you know, having these encounters or did it start later on?
00:09:45I'll call it ghost encounters happened when I was young. Um, I was, I think 12, 11 or 12. What,
00:09:53I don't, I don't know what grade like middle school is sixth or seventh grade. And, um, and that
00:09:58progressed to even in high school, I had some encounters, college, more ghost encounters. I started
00:10:05having what is called vivid dreams of loved ones. And that progressed. I had a near death
00:10:11experience that happened. I'm getting ready to have my 13 year anniversary of my alive day in a
00:10:16few weeks. So it's super, super exciting. I celebrate the day every year, but from the near
00:10:20death experience after that, a lot of common stories are, you have abilities that develop after
00:10:26them or you have knowings of things or, you know, a geographer could all of a sudden do advanced
00:10:31physics and quantum physics. Like, so, so your, your brains kind of switched on to something else.
00:10:36And what happened to me was I started having more psychic things happen in my life. That was too
00:10:42for me. And this started happening to other people to where I would send something from friends. And,
00:10:50um, and so that ended up developing to other people's loved ones would come to me and I started
00:10:57freaking out and I didn't know what was happening to me. And so that's how it all unraveled.
00:11:03Could you describe the near death experience a little bit? What, what was it like? What was the
00:11:09experience itself? Like it was the most loving and peaceful feeling you could imagine. And then what you
00:11:18can imagine, amplify it a hundred, 200 times more, it was nothing but love and peace all around you.
00:11:29Um, I usually start tearing up talking about it because I feel that same feeling again. And I,
00:11:35I tell people like my body could only handle so much of the feeling. So it leaks out in tears, but
00:11:40it's just the most amount of love you could imagine. And my, my loved ones were around me. I knew my
00:11:47grandparents were there. Um, father figure that I honestly had like, had kind of forgotten he'd
00:11:54passed away. And I was like, Oh my gosh, well, hi, there you are. And it was amazing. I didn't want
00:12:01to come back and I argued about it and I lost that argument. Hearing that I'm reminded of what Jake
00:12:08Barber said about approaching the craft that he was going to recover and feeling a feeling of just
00:12:15immense love coming from it. So overwhelming that he started to tear up and wasn't sure if he'd be
00:12:20able to continue operating his, his helicopter sounds very similar to what you just described.
00:12:26And I'm wondering, do you think that that experience has changed the way that you regard
00:12:32UAPs in any capacity? That's a good question.
00:12:36I don't think it's changed how I view them because I've always, my entire life, I've just
00:12:45known we're not alone and going through undergrad and my astrophysics classes, you people would ask,
00:12:52what do you think about aliens? And like, why would we be selfish enough to think we're the only ones
00:12:57in infinite amount of space, infinite and expanding amount of space. So I don't think it changed my
00:13:05viewpoint at all. Um, other than maybe just more of a knowing that that feeling and what I had told
00:13:14people was actually true. Is that a common sentiment from, you know, people on the task force that they
00:13:21all kind of believed that we're not alone and that, you know, there is a possibility that, you know,
00:13:29other races of beings could be visiting earth or maybe probably are visiting earth. Was that like
00:13:35the, what was the attitude like? I'm wondering. Yeah. Um, so unfortunately I wasn't a part of the
00:13:41larger task force, so I didn't meet the, the higher ups or anything like that. So my viewpoint is from a
00:13:49very limited scope, like a small corner of it. Um, but from the people that I know, and then I also
00:13:54supported, um, like a collaboration space as well and was an active member of that. So from those
00:14:03two perspectives of, um, those viewpoints, I guess I had perspective viewpoint. I just said the same
00:14:10thing, but, um, it's diverse. It was diverse. Like some people were strictly data and we also didn't
00:14:18really talk about aliens either. So that was, I just looked at videos and of imagery and stuck to the
00:14:24data points. So, um, others that would start talking about more aliens and that kind of stuff.
00:14:32Uh, we would discuss it in like a side bar side chat type thing, but it wasn't an official part of
00:14:38like the task force or that kind of stuff, but it varied. So there were still very strict scientific
00:14:43people there that would look at the data and would give you like, you know, a nerd would like what I've
00:14:51done sometimes is just like, here, this, this points to tank and here's this, I don't know what
00:14:57it means. And so then it would go to somebody else who knew it, how to interpret it. So that's a long
00:15:01story for, um, it was diverse and everybody had different opinions on what you asked about.
00:15:08Do you, do you feel that there was, um, ever any evidence that was not made public, but probably
00:15:16should have been like, there was no reason to keep it classified. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean,
00:15:21that's part of reason why I do talks and I came forward is to let people know that there is more
00:15:28out there. And, uh, some of it, I don't understand why it couldn't be declassified, but I am not the
00:15:35classification person to decide that I have no authority whatsoever. Did you ever feel any
00:15:41institutional pressures to reach certain conclusions going one way or another? I never did. I,
00:15:49I guess I was maybe lucky if some others had that happen to them, but I never felt pressure one way
00:15:56or the other. Um, but I mean, we would really thoroughly go through all the different things
00:16:03that something could be. It wasn't just, you would jump to this is unidentified or this is trash or,
00:16:10or whatever. So we would go through a lot of, you know, scientific process and think about,
00:16:16can it be duplicated and also take into account the eyewitness testimonies and, you know, a pilot
00:16:22behind the aircraft, what he saw, what he felt. So emotion also, you know, we learned a long time ago,
00:16:28emotion plays into some of these encounters. Um, and I've also been able to, you know, be a part of a team
00:16:37where you interviewed, um, you know, maybe how systems were put together and assembled. And if,
00:16:46you know, parts could have been come, become loose or something. So, um, yeah, nothing was really jumped
00:16:52to a conclusion. We really did go through scientific process, looked at weather data, of course, and even
00:16:58you've got different sources for weather data instead of just one. So, um, so I hope that people do know,
00:17:05like what is being done, you know, behind the scenes, behind classified walls is actually being
00:17:11thorough, but of course that's for task force. I can't speak to Arrow.
00:17:15Right. So Arrow is the, is the, um, basically the follow-up to the task force, right? That,
00:17:21that was the, uh, the group that took over. Um, and I, my understanding is that a lot of people
00:17:26were not very happy with the findings that they, that they put forward. Um, can you address that a
00:17:32little bit? Um, I don't, I, I'm happy to address, I don't like to like talk bad about people, but I
00:17:41don't understand why lies were done and said and still are. That's really frustrating for, especially
00:17:48from a standpoint of knowing there are reports out there that were published says that this is
00:17:56unidentified and just because it's unidentified doesn't mean it's extraterrestrial. It just means
00:18:03it's unidentified. We don't know what it is. And then a few years later, we actually identified
00:18:08something that was labeled unidentified. It turned out to be a weather balloon. So we go back and update
00:18:13the database. It's scientific driven, right? So I don't understand why lies were done. And even
00:18:20sometimes in like the historical parts of the report weren't too accurate. I really have, don't
00:18:26know answers on why, other than there has to be a driver from higher up above those people.
00:18:34Right. And so that the first report was kind of debunking, you know, any, any claims, uh, that were,
00:18:41that were made by, by your group. But then there was a second edition of Arrow that is now,
00:18:46I think currently in place, which seems to have a little more promise. Uh, is there anything that
00:18:51you think that we might be able to expect, uh, from them? I have really high hopes, uh, from them
00:18:57and the new leadership and new guidance. I have heard, um, positive and negative on what's going on
00:19:04behind the scenes. And I'm just a hopeful, optimistic person. So I, I believe that they will release
00:19:13truth and documents and they also aren't classification. Uh, what's the right word? I'm
00:19:21trying to think of the right phrase, but classification, um, I'm so sorry. I have, I hiccup
00:19:26once in a while, um, originators or, uh, declassification authoritative people, um, that those are both
00:19:34not the right phrases. I'm really sorry, but, uh, I, I'm, I'm hopeful. Fair enough. Um, have you ever
00:19:43seen any reports or data or footage that left you with way more questions than answers?
00:19:49Yes, absolutely. Um, some things just don't make sense. And then you think it's a balloon and,
00:19:57and then, you know, uh, I, somebody like with an eyewitness encounter says otherwise. And, um,
00:20:05and then sometimes it's like, okay, you've looked at this enough and now it has to move on to somebody
00:20:11else or it, it, yes, that was a frustrating thing or whether like the report doesn't match the video
00:20:19because the video, as everybody is frustrated with video quality, we are, we are frustrated with that
00:20:24too, but in classified channels. And so sometimes the video quality, you're like, how did you make
00:20:31that conclusion from that video that's super pixelated or there's like, you know, thermal shadowing
00:20:37and there's other kinds of artifacts maybe. Um, but, uh, that, that might only be one sensor for
00:20:44the data that I got to see because I, again, was like supporting it from a small corner. So I might
00:20:49not have had the full picture to begin with. Um, did you witness any reports of phenomena that
00:20:54interacted seemingly with human consciousness? I, I didn't. So we kept it to just video and imagery
00:21:01on my side of things. Okay. Um, did any of the data that you examined hint at patterns of behavior
00:21:08or was it all kind of isolated incidents? Um, so we did of course, look for patterns of behavior.
00:21:14We know, you know, for many decades now there's reports of UAP seen over nuclear sites. So we,
00:21:23you look for those types of patterns or we looked for altitude patterns. And, um, so, yeah, so I,
00:21:30I mean, as a scientific method, you want to see if there is a pattern or if, you know, a country is
00:21:36escalating and potentially going to battle or to attack something to see if there's something out
00:21:44there as well. So like we would know to, you know, watch news channels, news networks in the area
00:21:49when something would be going on to see if that was a pattern as well, if they show up.
00:21:54We've been throwing around this term now, non-human intelligence for a little while.
00:21:58Um, in your estimation, do you think that we're dealing with a single intelligence responsible
00:22:04for this phenomenon or is it a case of multiple intelligences?
00:22:09I like giving the analogy to people. Think of how diverse we are here on earth. I mean, just in,
00:22:17I live just outside of Washington DC, just in this area alone, there are so many diverse humans here
00:22:24and it is so beautiful. Think of that, but in infinite amount of space, it's infinite. So how
00:22:30can there not be this diverse community and world out there?
00:22:35For sure. Um, what's the most overhyped UAP theory that you think is circulating right now?
00:22:42Oh man, I honestly don't even know. And sometimes I take a break from all the things cause you know,
00:22:48I have a personal life. And so sometimes I don't even pay attention to the news. I really don't
00:22:55know how to answer that and what that would be. That's a fun question. I'm going to continue to
00:23:00think about that and like, maybe try to come up with something in a little bit.
00:23:03Sure. We'll come back to it. Um, did you ever feel at any time, like information was out there
00:23:09that was being held withheld from you guys that you didn't have the full picture?
00:23:13I wasn't read into any programs. So yes, I mean, stuff could have been withheld for good reason.
00:23:20And I'm happy that I wasn't read into anything cause I don't have, I've learned, um, ignorance is
00:23:26bliss and I don't need to know things. So, um, yeah, absolutely. But it wasn't, um,
00:23:33some of them were intentional and some of them might've been because they needed a blind test to see,
00:23:39you know, what I was a research scientist at the time. So they wanted to see like what I saw versus
00:23:46an analyst that was looking at the area that knows a lot of intimate details of the place where a UAP
00:23:54might've been seen over. So, um, I, I get withholding some information sometimes just to see
00:24:02what a scientist might observe. Um, but yeah, I wasn't read into any programs.
00:24:07I got to ask you about, um, a bit of a news item that I came across today. So somebody from the Trump
00:24:13administration went on the record saying that American tech can quote manipulate time and space,
00:24:20which is an, an odd choice of words, uh, to be sure. But, you know, it kind of fits right into this
00:24:28theme of UAP and how they do what they do. Um, seemingly, you know, defying the laws of,
00:24:35of physics as we know them. Do you have any thoughts on that? I mean,
00:24:39my first thought would be, is this an indicator of disclosure coming? Like,
00:24:43are they actually going to say something? And I got a little excited, but there has been more,
00:24:49um, there was a study recently within the past couple of weeks about quantum physics and proving
00:24:56that time isn't real, that we actually invented real. So, you know, the spiritual community,
00:25:00we've been saying for decades, over a hundred years or something that time isn't real.
00:25:07And now there's scientific data proving that. So I'm my also, I'm wondering if that is the case
00:25:15of they're referring to maybe something on that, but if they said we have technology,
00:25:19I don't know. I'm hopeful that maybe that's a little, a little nugget of disclosure coming soon.
00:25:25What do you think about the way that disclosure has been playing out over the past several years?
00:25:30We've, we've kind of gotten a lot of information. Still, people seem to not be happy because it's
00:25:36a little bit of a drip feed. I think a lot of people just want the books wide open and every,
00:25:40everybody to know everything. But, you know, I also spoke to Lou Elizondo recently who, you know,
00:25:46insists that catastrophic disclosure would be a disaster and that it has to be this way. What,
00:25:51where do you stand on that? Yeah. I, I think as a whole, the past, you said seven years,
00:26:00we have come such a far way. So the fact that we're talking about this in an open way and not
00:26:08everybody is making fun of you now. Oh my gosh, that's a huge leap. And then also to discuss
00:26:15spirituality and psionics as a part of this, it has an even bigger leap, which that's more of a recent
00:26:21thing, even though the spiritual community knows this thing has been married this whole time,
00:26:25but now it's out in the public. And it's been a beautiful thing to witness over the past. How,
00:26:32what did I join this? 2019 of seeing the dynamic change in the stigma start shedding. Um, but as it's
00:26:42almost, it's this weird balance. Like as people talk more and more about disclosure, this like
00:26:47decrease happens with, um, wanting more, wanting more data, no matter what people see, we want more,
00:26:55we want more. And I get it. Everybody wants more, but we're talking about it. We're talking about
00:27:01wanting more. And how cool is that? Um, I am disheartened a lot of times about what is happening
00:27:08with disclosure and, you know, disinformation and people are like a new fun phrase is grifters now.
00:27:15And I get it, but this is going to happen no matter what the government. I truly believe the
00:27:22government won't be the ones to do it. It'll be us talking. It'll be, you know, Ross Colfart
00:27:27reporting on news nation and doing the Lord's work. And I, I don't think it'll be government that's
00:27:35leading this, uh, and they'll have to backtrack and they'll have to be like, yeah, whoopsie daisy.
00:27:40Yeah. We knew about that for well over 50 years. Um, but it is, it is very disheartening. A lot of
00:27:48times of making progress and then going backpedaling, but even that backpedaling, of course, this goes
00:27:56back to me being an optimistic person, but even those backpedals are still progress because we're
00:28:01still talking about it and people are being active and trying to want to help. And, you know, UAP
00:28:07disclosure fund is out there and different countries wanting to be involved. Now UAP Ireland
00:28:12is wanting a foot in the game and, um, it's pretty cool to witness.
00:28:17One of the things that makes it a little bit tough to, you know, discern what to believe is
00:28:24certain competing narratives. You know, some, some people insist that UAPs must be benevolent just
00:28:31due to the fact that they, you know, have the, you know, space travel capacity and that you can't
00:28:37develop that if you're like a violent and barbaric civilization. And then others say that, you know,
00:28:43this should be regarded as a potential threat because we don't know what, what they could do.
00:28:47Where do you personally stand on it? And do you think that these narratives are helping or hindering
00:28:52the disclosure process? I, I guess from scientific standpoint, I think they're benevolent. I mean,
00:29:02they've been visiting for thousands of years and yeah, from a pilot's perspective, when they're doing
00:29:08playful maneuvers, not cool, looks like a threat when they're going over nuclear sites and powering down
00:29:15systems and, and, you know, powering back up or what was, uh, I forget what book it was in,
00:29:22if it was in the one from the sixties, but it talked about actually like putting on the switch
00:29:27and the Soviets thinking we were getting ready to bomb them. Um, so that's a threat that appears to
00:29:34be a threat, right? But they haven't done anything. That's the overall thing is they, they visited for
00:29:42thousands of years and they, they haven't set off a nuclear warhead. They haven't, um, you know,
00:29:50that we know of crashed into, you know, a fighter plane. Um, I mean, maybe something's happened and
00:29:56we just don't know about it. That could definitely be the case, but, um, I do know, you know, the earth
00:30:02has a balance. There's good and bad has to exist. So, uh, I have encountered negative entities during my
00:30:10spiritual work. So I know there's, there's malevolent NHI out there, but I think what we
00:30:15see for the most part are benevolent beings. Do you have any theories about what the possible
00:30:21intent is of those, those NHI that we're witnessing with the UAP incidents?
00:30:27Some of the intent I think is I I've joked with people over the years. We're kind of like a petting
00:30:33zoo and they pop in and check us out and like, Oh, they killed the planet yet. Nope. All right.
00:30:37Deuces. We're out now. We're out again. Um, but the non-joking answer is I, I know from
00:30:45a spiritual aspect that they want what's best for earth and trying to help get us back to
00:30:54a place of love and light where we operated back during, um, Atlantis time, time during Atlantis. So,
00:31:00uh, they're, they're here trying to help, but also not, you know, go ahead and making the cake and
00:31:06given, given us the cake and putting the candles on it and lighten the candles, but they might,
00:31:11you know, give the baking dish and, and let us know, like, here's the dish. Here's how you start
00:31:18it. Cause I, I have heard stories of them give us, giving us some base technology on how to develop
00:31:25some things.
00:31:26Let's dig a little deeper into the psychic medium side of things, because I'm very fascinated by
00:31:32that. I, um, listened to your interview with Ross Coulthard and, and you went into detail about
00:31:37some, um, entities that you encountered. Um, can you just, you know, what is, uh, like,
00:31:45what do you experience basically on a day-to-day basis and, and how have you integrated that into
00:31:50your life?
00:31:50It's really beautiful. So I, I love being able to see what I do and feel what I do. And it makes me
00:32:00feel loved and good, I guess, but then kind of sad cause not everybody gets to see it. And I, um,
00:32:09so like earlier when we were starting, um, I have a lamp that I'm actually looking at right now and
00:32:18it moved. And so I just smiled and I'm like, all right, so I know what's here around me
00:32:24is of love and light. And so like, it doesn't scare me. Things happen. I've, you know, had door
00:32:30slam in my house and, and I know what's there won't hurt me either because I'm more powerful than
00:32:37it. Um, writing in my car, going home, I have a best friend that passed away in 2017. And
00:32:43sometimes he changes my radio station to listen to a better song. And we argue like I argue with
00:32:49my dead best friend and how fun is that? And I have a cat that's passed away, passed away in
00:32:55December and he's visited me a few times already. And I've had to lecture him. Like, I cannot believe
00:33:01I am lecturing my, my cat that passed away to not visit right now and let me grieve and let me heal.
00:33:07And, um, it's really cool. It's, it's a neat perspective in life. And sometimes I second
00:33:14guess it because I am a scientist and I will always be a skeptic, but I have an open mind
00:33:19skeptic. And I do this with my own body, which everybody can like a hundred percent of humans
00:33:25were born with abilities. So I incorporated, I guess it's, I don't feel like I incorporate
00:33:31anything into my life because it's who I am now. Um, at first it was weird and, uh, I, I am mind
00:33:41blowing. There were times where, uh, I would experience something or have a sudden vision
00:33:48while hiking and not know what to do with it and freak out. And now it's almost second nature to,
00:33:55you know, I went to Egypt last year with Ross Coulthard on that group. And I had past life
00:34:04experiences while I was in one of the pyramids. Um, and the first time that happened to me,
00:34:10it freaked me out. And now it's like, Oh, there's another life. That's cool. And I mean,
00:34:14of course, like it's something still freaked me out and I have to process and I have, and I will second
00:34:19guess and I will try to debunk what I saw. And, um, usually spirit will keep showing you something
00:34:25again and again until you're like, okay, got it. Now I'm, I'm listening. Um, so yeah, I don't feel
00:34:33like I just incorporate anything anymore. It's just a part of the flow of the energy of who I am.
00:34:38You mentioned that anybody can have access to this. Why do you think more people don't? And, um,
00:34:45you know, is there, there's, I guess you could say that there's a sort of stigma still, um,
00:34:51among the general, you know, population about these kinds of things, a sort of skepticism.
00:34:56Um, why do you think that is? And why do you think more people don't share similar gifts?
00:35:01That's because when we are little, we are told that is an imaginary friend. We are told it's not true.
00:35:07We are told, you know, that's the devil. It's not your religion, insert whatever religion you,
00:35:13you grew up being raised. And, uh, so we're told at a young age that it's not real. And now
00:35:20people are realizing it's real. So when I have done readings for clients that have young kids,
00:35:26they'll mention to me, cause, or I'll say, Oh, does your, your baby, you wake up in the middle
00:35:31of the night and have, you know, do certain movements. And I was like, that's, that's your
00:35:35grandma coming in and saying hello. And, um, and then they'll say, yeah, the baby monitor had,
00:35:42you know, they'll explain exactly what I would describe. Um, and so more people now are embracing
00:35:48it with their children instead of discounting it and telling them they're crazy. And they're
00:35:53realizing that there is more to just us here on earth. There's more dimensions out there that we
00:36:00are just now starting to understand. Um, so yeah, so it's really neat to see this transformation
00:36:06happen with the younger generation. I'm actually really excited to see them growing up to see what
00:36:15they could do and what is being harnessed within them at a young age now and what they're going to
00:36:21be like when they're in their twenties and thirties. And, uh, it's going to be awesome.
00:36:25What do you think it is about the younger generation? Is it the parents of today that
00:36:29are more open-minded? How is, how are things evolving, um, with regards to this?
00:36:33Yeah, I think we are more open-minded. A lot of people, you know, I just encountered
00:36:38a person in a pub after a hike. So my best friend and I go hiking, um, almost every week
00:36:45and then go play trivia afterwards. And just so happened, you know, synchronicity, you're,
00:36:50I was standing beside a man. We got to talking. I mentioned to my best friend though, that my,
00:36:56I I'm on a Gaia episode and it got released. And, and the person in front of me was like,
00:37:01did you just say Gaia? I just watched a free trial the other day and I didn't know if I wanted
00:37:07to continue, but like, you're here, this is weird. And he started explaining to me, he's been having
00:37:13more experiences lately and he doesn't know what to do about it. And he's starting to talk to his
00:37:18niece who also has had experiences. And so more and more people are, are waking up and reaching out
00:37:24in, you know, it's an easy Google to look up somebody to talk to. Um, and I think chat GPT,
00:37:32I've heard actually a lot of people are using chat GPT for, um, some spiritual guidance, which I don't
00:37:38recommend to get hooked on folks because technology isn't supposed to be what we're addicted to.
00:37:44We're supposed to go out in nature, but it is helpful. Um, yeah, so it's, it's a mixture of
00:37:50all those things of us being told no. And, and the kids now are just, um, starting to wake up and
00:37:59it's, it's really neat. Yeah. It's interesting that you bring up chat GPT as being used as a
00:38:04spiritual tool, but if you really think about the universe as like everything being everything,
00:38:10like we all come from the same stuff, it would make sense that technology and spirituality should
00:38:14be integrated in some way. Where do you think we're going with that as a society with AI and,
00:38:21you know, the, this, like a spiritual awakening, like, do they belong together? Are they going
00:38:26to cohere like in a, in a good way together? I mean, I think everybody's seen Terminator and Skynet.
00:38:32Oh gosh, I'm not sure we want to go in that direction. I think it's amazing. I, I do think AI is
00:38:39going to help develop a lot. You know, we are so far at understanding quantum physics now,
00:38:46and I just really hope what we develop and find out isn't used for nefarious reasons, of course, but,
00:38:55um, can't really help that. Uh, I, I think it's going to be a beautiful thing with AI coming along
00:39:02as it is. And I was very hesitant. I don't know what right word I'm looking for right now,
00:39:09but I was very hesitant at first to go utilize it. And now it's like, Oh, I need five bullet points
00:39:15to turn into the overlord every week. So maybe though I could get some like help drafting a new
00:39:21bullet points. And, um, I did do that once. I don't judge at all. So stressful. Those bullet
00:39:32points that we have to turn in, we still have to turn them in every week, by the way. Um, yeah,
00:39:37so it's, I think it's really cool. I, I, it's a neat time to be alive. I can't imagine,
00:39:42you know, older generations right now who were alive, you know, it's like there might've been
00:39:49kids during world war II and now they're witnessing so much change drastically in the past five years.
00:39:57Yeah. I kind of feel bad for the older folks who, you know, they, they come from almost like a
00:40:03completely different world. And then this, this new stuff is all just magic to them, but it's kind
00:40:08of, it's kind of exciting to see what the future is going to be like, but scary at the same time.
00:40:14And, you know, there's reasons to be optimistic for sure, but there's reasons to be a little bit
00:40:20cautious as well. Um, with, with, with the UAP, um, like disclosure movement and speaking about AI,
00:40:31like there must be some connection there too, with advancing societies and, and the development
00:40:38of AI, like that, that's a lot of people say that that's a driver, a technological driver that kind of
00:40:42propels civilizations to kind of be able to leave their planet and stuff. What, what do you think
00:40:46the chances are that what we're dealing with is actually like technology or AI, as opposed to
00:40:54biological creatures or, you know, beings?
00:40:58I don't know that I've never put thought towards, I don't know how to answer that right now.
00:41:04That's cool.
00:41:06I mean, something that I learned in Egypt is we don't know anything. So whether it's AI or
00:41:15beings or something, I, yeah, that could be all the above. Um, every temple, every pyramid we went to,
00:41:24the entire group would leave going, we know nothing. We know nothing about our human history.
00:41:29We know nothing about the pyramids themselves and when they were built and what they were used for.
00:41:35We, we know nothing. Um, so I kind of, I'm going to go from that perspective of, yeah, anything's
00:41:43plausible.
00:41:44Right. And you mentioned Atlantis before, which I wanted to return to a little bit, because that's a,
00:41:47that's a cool example of something that's not in most people's history books. Um, but like,
00:41:54what, what is there about our past that you can identify that, um, has kind of been erased or
00:42:00overshadowed? Not, not many people address that has really played a role in bringing us where we
00:42:05are today.
00:42:06Um, well, I mean, earth has had five reboots. So I think each one of those has played a role,
00:42:14you know, dinosaurs are no longer, um, existing. And, um, I don't understand. I'm going back to
00:42:24Egypt now is, is what's coming to mind. So there was a temple we were at where there were hieroglyphs
00:42:30of spaceships coming in and landing in the room we were standing in. And they were, there were
00:42:36different spaceships. There were different, um, in the same temple. I think it was, no, I think it
00:42:43was a different temple actually, but there was a stargates and the, there were actually different
00:42:47stargates that would take you to different places in the universe. Um, and I would walk through
00:42:54the, there would be a stargate at like the threshold of the door and I'd walk through and
00:42:58I could feel a difference of where, of the energy that I just passed through. Um, yeah. So I just,
00:43:08I'm, I'm just thinking about what happened, what happened to that reboot where we forgot, we
00:43:16obviously were intimately working with different races as well. Cause there were blue beings and
00:43:22hieroglyphs. There are also black, there are reptilians that are on the walls. There are frog
00:43:28people, eight people. Um, there's all kinds of different races that are in the hieroglyphs
00:43:36and they're not hidden. They're not behind a nook or scaffolding. Well, there are scaffolding
00:43:42and, and, and Luxor, but, um, what happened? I think that reboot is really important because
00:43:51we really don't know. And, and how do we forget that we worked with entities so much and so
00:43:57intimately to put them in all of these records on all the temples and walls and they, they have
00:44:05levitation. They talk about levitation and levitating the blocks in place. And where'd that go?
00:44:12Well, and, and also why does the mainstream scientific community ignore this evidence?
00:44:18Like, like that's my big question because it's everywhere. Like every ancient, you know,
00:44:23civilization that we uncover has these same types of messages or drawings or anomalies within the
00:44:32architecture that we don't understand. Yeah. All this stuff. So like, why is there such resistance
00:44:37to that? I don't know. I know it's, um, our Egyptologist that we had, he would openly say,
00:44:46not all Egyptologists will tell you what I'm getting ready to. So some, somebody higher up the,
00:44:53of a lot of people in a lot of countries are puppeting, keeping quiet for some reason. And I just,
00:45:00I don't know why. I mean, other than, you know, money, money's always a driver. So if we're dependent
00:45:07on oil, the, you know, oil economy is still going to be up and money's going to be fueled into that
00:45:12medicine, a lot of herbs, nature is very healing, but pharmaceutical company will be happy with that.
00:45:19So, you know, money's always a driver right now. And until we could shed a lot of war and, you know,
00:45:27drivers around money, then I don't know how we'll advance.
00:45:31Yeah. That seems to be a big one. Um, just touching back on the, the Egypt topic and the
00:45:36pyramids. I don't know if you've seen this, um, like LIDAR, I think it is the ground penetrating
00:45:42radar about the spiral structures underneath one of the pyramids that goes down like hundreds of
00:45:48meters. Um, stuff like that is coming out and it's causing a lot of conversations and for people to
00:45:55reevaluate, you know, their, their thoughts about things. And I love, uh, Graham Hancock's work,
00:46:00for example, um, going back and like finding evidence that ancient civilizations are actually much
00:46:06older than we think they are from the history books. Um, so I think more people need to do stuff
00:46:11like that. Um, I don't really have a question here. I'm just kind of like observing like the
00:46:16stuff that I've been kind of, uh, I think the data looks really good. So I don't, I I'm a radar
00:46:21scientist, uh, image scientist, uh, subject matter expert for many years. So I don't know as much about
00:46:28ground penetrating radar, but from what I've seen as some of the data and from the journals,
00:46:34it looks legit. I have heard that some of, um, the graphics that are used like in media and stuff
00:46:41that was released were touched a little bit by AI. Um, one of my friends knows one of the scientists
00:46:48on the team and he also says things look legit. So I think it's really cool. But also that goes back
00:46:52to me saying, we don't know anything. There definitely could be something under there. I,
00:46:59I was very close to, to, to like just head diving down the tunnel at the back of the Sphinx. So
00:47:05I came really close to maybe finding some of those coils that are down there.
00:47:10Do you have, do you have any theories about what that might be, uh, like what it might've been used
00:47:15for or anything like that? Energy. It was when I, so, um, I haven't told many people this,
00:47:24but when I first went to, uh, Saqqara, so Saqqara was the first complex and the first pyramid that
00:47:31we went to. And that's the step pyramid that is one of the oldest pyramids in Egypt. And we,
00:47:38there's like a very flat, I'll call it a field. It's not like a field of grass or wheat or anything,
00:47:43but it's a very, very flat ground, um, where you walk up into. And so you kind of stop there and
00:47:49the tour guide saying some things and, um, take some photos and stuff. So then you eventually
00:47:54walk up to it when we were standing there a little bit distance away, I would say probably
00:48:00like a football field. So, um, yeah, we'll call football, whether it's American football or,
00:48:06or the other foot, the normal football soccer, um, that field distance away, maybe a little bit
00:48:12further. I could see like, it looked like a mirage of energy. So, you know, when you, when you see a
00:48:18mirage in like the desert or like a high heat or off pavement in a hot summer day, it was a mirage
00:48:25of energy that was pulsating off of the pyramid. And I thought, cause it's, it's a hot day and we're
00:48:33in Egypt and we're in the desert. So I'm like, is, is this my third eye or like, and, and this was our
00:48:38first thing. So I didn't know people's names yet on the trip. And so I, I was like, is this,
00:48:43does anybody else see this? And they're like, no, no, Sarah, that's you. And I'm like, cool.
00:48:47And then I look again and I actually could see, and this was with my third eye, like a,
00:48:55like a cylinder of light that went up to somewhere in the sky. It was energy. And then I, I had like
00:49:03such a, uh, a healing feeling while being there. Like it just felt so therapeutic and so healing.
00:49:11And I discovered it's actually a healing center. People would come from like hundreds of miles away
00:49:17to go get healed there. And they had these healing boxes that, Oh my gosh, it's so amazing. I love
00:49:22talking about this. And you could hear the earth's resonance. You could feel it. Your heart like
00:49:28sink to this one, one, one sound. Oh, we forget about all this, but yeah. So the pyramids are all
00:49:36about energy and vortexes. Uh, we went to another place, uh, the Sireen and it was so ancient. Like
00:49:44you could feel how ancient this place was and they have no idea what it dates back to, but Ramsey's the
00:49:51second stamped his name on it. Like he did a lot of things. And so they called it Ramsey's the second
00:49:55or something, some type of temple. Um, but they don't know how old it is. It's like over 50,000 years
00:50:01old and you feel the energy when you walk into this place, you could, you could feel this healing
00:50:10and it's, and it's amplified of course, from all these like courts, massive, like 20 plus ton
00:50:16courts blocks. Um, so yeah, so everything I truly believe is about energy there. And there's some,
00:50:23something about Egypt that has a lot of the, the vortexes that they, they, as in, I don't know who that
00:50:30was tens and hundreds of thousands of years ago, maybe utilized and figured out how to use it.
00:50:36Do you think that's why a lot of people are drawn there as like, it's a very popular tourist
00:50:40attraction, but like, do you think it goes beyond just like, Oh, I want to go see the cool pyramids.
00:50:44Like there must be some sort of attraction to that place as well.
00:50:47Yeah. It's, um, I mean, our trip was about UAP and spiritualism or not spiritualism, but spiritual
00:50:54things. Um, and we weren't the only ones that would go on trips like that there. Right. So
00:50:59yeah, it's almost, I don't know, pilgrimage or something. I, I, it's, it's really cool to see how
00:51:06ancient stuff is and yeah, seeing it and hearing things with your own eyes, you, you really come
00:51:15back transformed. And I think that's why a lot of people do go there and gravitated to it.
00:51:20I'm curious to know what you think about, um, the world religions and how, how that, you know,
00:51:26how the adjustments to a UAP reality would work when looking at, you know, the major world
00:51:32religions, like would people be ready to embrace that? And do you think that it's possible to
00:51:39incorporate, you know, that type of reality into mainstream religion in an, in a like graceful way?
00:51:46Yeah, I think so. I mean, the Catholic church had, the Pope has, um, openly admitted that
00:51:52the Vatican believes that aliens exist and we're not alone. So, um, I think religion's still important
00:52:00in this and some people. So at one point during this journey on the UAP stuff, I thought you,
00:52:06if they come out, it'll wreck religions around the world. But now I understand that, you know,
00:52:13there are actually priests and preachers out there that believe we're not alone and they just want to
00:52:18support their congregation. They want to be a safe place for people to come to. So I feel like
00:52:23your church, wherever you go to is going to be like a true sanctuary where people could go
00:52:30for relief and, um, you know, confide in somebody and have their community. So I think the churches
00:52:40and the religious structures are still going to be just as important when disclosure happens as they
00:52:45are now. Do you have any personal, um, easy encounter stories that you could share with us?
00:52:51Um, what, you want the, the bedroom encounter, the one that, that popped in while I was sleeping
00:52:57one night. So you spoke about that with Ross, uh, Coulthart on his show. Sure. Yeah, that's an
00:53:04interesting one for sure. So one night actually, Krypton, now that he's back, um, should lower the
00:53:10camera so you could be so cute. Um, so one night I was sleeping again, remember people have to,
00:53:17to recall that I am a medium, so it's not anything new for me to be awoken at night to something in
00:53:24my room or, um, you know, spirit giving me a message in my sleep and I wake up and I write it
00:53:30down. Cause if I don't write it down, they're going to keep waking me up. So I'm used to seeing
00:53:36things when I wake up once in a while. Um, so at first when I woke up this night, I thought I was
00:53:44still dreaming. There was a blue with maybe a purple hint entity that was pacing back and forth in my
00:53:53bedroom. I never looked at the time either. Um, so all right, cool, cool. I'll wake up in a minute
00:54:01and he'll, Hey, do you have something to say? And, uh, so then I realized, so Krypton, he's my little
00:54:07spiritual protector and he has fought things that I haven't seen. Just like last week, he was growling
00:54:12at something and I don't know what it was. So I look at Krypton and he actually sat up and looked at
00:54:20the thing and we were, we were both watching it go back and forth in the bedroom. I'm like, wait a
00:54:25minute, I'm awake. And so I kind of, kind of did it like another check to see if I was awake. So
00:54:31I'm fully sitting up. I'm in my cat sitting up the other cat that he was alive at the time.
00:54:37He never wakes up for anything. So he was still asleep. So I'm like, okay, this is at least
00:54:40normal. So I start asking the entity, do you like, do you, do you need some water? Like you okay.
00:54:49And it never stopped. It was kind of like a guard at the London palace, you know, had a mission and
00:54:55it was like, he was protecting me and he had this sword and the sword, um, was like a crystal
00:55:02material. I don't know. It like glowed and it was, it had different colors that would go through it.
00:55:11It was like a really big sword, kind of like a machete type type sword. Like it was big like that.
00:55:16Um, so he kept on pacing back and forth and it had no ears and kind of like a Voldemort type,
00:55:24a little bit more of a nose than Voldemort and ridges on its, on its head. So it had ridges on
00:55:30its side, no hair. Um, and it's uniform was kind of like something out of Star Trek. Like it was
00:55:37really plain, really bland. Uh, I couldn't tell fully what color it was cause it was dark in my room,
00:55:43but I could tell he had it. Maybe I should say it. It had, uh, it was blue skin with like maybe a
00:55:49purple iridescent or something to it. Iridescent. And eventually it paused and it looked like I have
00:55:59a window. Let's say the window's here. It paused and it looked towards the window and like a portal
00:56:06thing kind of appeared. And it was a pink, light pink ish color. And it was only there for
00:56:12a few seconds. And it was like, he was communicating to somebody through it. And then it went away and
00:56:20I was like, okay, do you, do you need, do you need a pillow? You need a sleeping bag? And it just kept
00:56:26on pacing back and forth. And I just, I kept on tapping into that gut feeling if it's good or bad,
00:56:33malevolent or benevolent. And, uh, Krypton didn't seem threatened. He looked, he was just like,
00:56:39so nonchalant sitting there watching it with me. And so I just felt like I was protected. Like it
00:56:45was letting me know whatever's to come in my life and whatever's happening. Then I was protected and
00:56:51that I didn't need to worry. And so I was like, all right, well make yourself at home then. I'm
00:56:58like, I got work tomorrow. So I laid back, Krypton laid down and started going back to sleep. So I laid
00:57:05down and yeah, that was it woke up and I was like, did that really happen? So I texted like some
00:57:11friends and yeah, it's pretty crazy. You think these types of beings surround everyone? It's just
00:57:17that not everybody is able to, or, you know, willing to see them. Um, I don't know about that specific
00:57:24being, but we are surrounded all the time by loved ones, by angels, by, um, spiritual beings are like,
00:57:34we are truly never alone and we are loved so much from the other side. So I don't want to say that
00:57:40everybody has an NHI or, you know, in their house at all times, but we are very loved from the other
00:57:47side. Um, from many ways. How many different types of beings have you seen or witnessed?
00:57:54Um, NHI? Yeah. I've never been asked that. Um, uh, off the top of my head, I have probably,
00:58:03I just put up the number five. So I think it's been at least five different probably. Yeah,
00:58:10definitely more than that. Um, including like lizard people like Draconian. Um, I've encountered two
00:58:18different looking ones of those during some of my spiritual, like house cleansings and, um, ghost
00:58:24hunts. Oh, interesting. And those are all, you know, like, do, do they take physical forms in any
00:58:30way or is it really all just like energy or, you know, like what's the, I'm wondering if there's a
00:58:36physical component to them as well. Yeah. The being that was in my room looked physical to me. I didn't
00:58:43feel like that was coming from my third eye. It could have, but it, it looked very real. Like light
00:58:49wasn't shining through it or anything like that. Um, all my other encounters that I've had are with
00:58:56my third eye. So it would be, um, I did have an entity pop in during a ghost hunt one time and I
00:59:03was in Oregon at the ghost conference there in seaside and we were, um, zooming in to a ghost hunt in
00:59:13tombstone, Arizona. And so they were carrying around cameras and equipment, ghost hunting equipment
00:59:18and tombstone while I'm giving this live ghost hunt in Oregon. And I saw a alien entity there and
00:59:27they actually panned, it was an SLS camera and they panned the camera over and I'm sorry, I have cat
00:59:32hair. Um, it's what I get. He's in my lap. That's okay. And so they panned the camera over and it was
00:59:39like, what I described was exactly what showed up on the camera. Like that never, that never stops.
00:59:47Like it always blows my mind when I described something and somebody's like, yeah, that's
00:59:50what I saw. Or like, here it is on the camera. Um, so, so cool. So maybe I should stop petting the cat.
00:59:58Um, yes, I, it has to be probably maybe 10 different entities or races that I've seen.
01:00:07What do you think is the connection, if any, between paranormal phenomena and like UAP phenomena?
01:00:16Is there a crossover or do they share any similarities or any like parallels?
01:00:20Oh yeah, they're married. There are two concepts that are one. And I, I ended up liking when I was
01:00:30talking, I forget what interview I was doing at the time, but I loved talking about their, a married
01:00:37concept. They're not two separate things. Just like me being on a ghost hunt and I am, you know,
01:00:43talking to Wyatt Earp. I didn't talk to Wyatt Earp, but, um, I did talk to other entities that were
01:00:51and communicated with them that were in tombstone that are documented and you could Google them or
01:00:56whatever. And then an alien shows up in the same ghost hunt and you could see it on the camera, on
01:01:02the device that they had. So I think that is evidence enough that this is a married thing. Um, but
01:01:11both operate from higher dimensions and by higher dimensions, you know, the, there is physics has
01:01:17proven that we know of at least 10 dimensions. And 10 D is like where God resides. Time isn't real.
01:01:24The past, present and future are exist at one time. God can answer everybody's prayers around the
01:01:30entire world at once because he lives in a place that time doesn't exist. So as you, so we live in
01:01:37the 3d, right? So as you increase your vibration and your frequency, like while you're meditating,
01:01:43you increase your vibration to some of these higher dimensions. And, um, you can talk to others,
01:01:52to loved ones, to angels, but they also have to lower their energy and their frequency to us.
01:01:58And, um, so that's the same thing for NHI. So like when I, um, first communicated with an NHI,
01:02:06it was an Arcturian in a meditation. I was super surprised. I had no idea that was a thing at the
01:02:12time. So I was kind of new to the spiritual world and sorry, thought my mind was making stuff up.
01:02:20Of course. And then it duplicated and it would come to me again. Um, so in the same frequency where I go
01:02:29to, to talk to, you know, grandma that's passed away, this NHI came in. So I think, I think that's
01:02:39the first time I've described it like that. I actually liked that a lot. I'll have to remember
01:02:42that. Cool. What are the most, I guess, highly publicized or known about places that kind of
01:02:48bridges that gap or that, that you mentioned between NHI and, uh, paranormal is Skinwalker
01:02:55Ranch. Um, and I've read books on it and stuff like that. Um, there must be other places, tons of
01:03:01places across the world that have that kind of energy to it. But, um, do you know anything about
01:03:06what, what, like what goes on there and why do you think certain places are such hot beds for this
01:03:11type of activity more than other places? Um, think back to the pyramids with all those,
01:03:15those energy and like the, I'll use the word vortex. Um, so some vortexes, there's a place in,
01:03:21where is it in Arizona where you could walk and instead of being vertical, you're, you actually are
01:03:26tilted because the gravity is different there. So it's kind of places like that where you can't
01:03:32explain what is going on. And it's kind of always been there. So, you know, stories and maybe Native
01:03:38Americans have something that's passed down to them on why, but we really don't know. So, um,
01:03:45I mean, there's, there were multiple pyramids that we went to that had some UFO sightings over them.
01:03:51And we, you know, we don't know why I'm trying to think of other places, definitely Skinwalker. So
01:03:59I know there's a lot of spiritual activity that's there, but there's also NHI. Um, I've been told by
01:04:09other spiritual practitioners that there are lots of portals that are not only at like on land on
01:04:19ground level, but in the sky too above there, because there's some, something about the energy
01:04:24there and the terrain and the geology, like what's in earth is, um, kind of amplified in that area.
01:04:31And it's also sacred, like, you know, Native Americans are here so long before we were, before,
01:04:37you know, um, Columbus came here. So a lot of the land has also been utilized and, and I guess maybe
01:04:46blessed or something, I don't know if that's not the right term, but, um, people, you know,
01:04:53worship the land at one point instead of us destroying it like we do today. Um, so I think
01:04:59there's a lot of ancient energy there from a long time ago that was put in place and, um, like,
01:05:06cattle mutilations. I don't, I don't know if I fully get that. I know I've read in books on
01:05:11theories on what is being done with them. I don't know if I want to drink any of the Kool-Aid that
01:05:17I've read about them or not, but super sad because I'm a farm girl. So I empathize with the animals and
01:05:23the farmers who has lost their livestock because that's money. That's their income. Um, I don't
01:05:28know if I fully answered that, but I tried. No, it's good along those lines with the, the cattle
01:05:34mutilations. Um, do you have any thoughts on abduction stories? I mean, that's, that's another
01:05:39component to this, which isn't really touched upon by official sources, but there's a lot of people
01:05:44out there who claim to have been abducted and, you know, the, the jury's out on, you know, who is
01:05:51actually abducting them. But, uh, like, what are your thoughts on that? Is there, you know, do you,
01:05:57do you think that it's a thing that, that happens that, you know, NHI has, you know, intentions to
01:06:04do stuff with us or observe or run experiments or anything like that and that they actually do
01:06:11abduct people? Yeah, absolutely. So I have, I'm so sorry. I try not to do those during interviews
01:06:18because they're so loud, but I can't stop them. Um, so from my spiritual learning and then from
01:06:26meditations and other friends and encounter, like people that I've met and I fully trust
01:06:32that have been abducted. Um, so I kind of compile all their stories together because I am a scientist,
01:06:38so I don't want to just drink Kool-Aid immediately. I want different data points, right? Um, I know
01:06:45a lot of the abductions, so I don't want to say all, cause there could be others, but the grays,
01:06:52so Zeta Reticuli, uh, the grays that most people call them, um, the smaller aliens, like the stereotypical
01:07:00looking ones, they, uh, are basically a drone. Uh, they have genetically cloned themselves for so
01:07:10many thousands of years that they are having genocide happen. Um, but because they are clones
01:07:17of each other, they are infertile and they have no free will. Um, but they're, so they're literally
01:07:23like drones, like robots and we are opposite of them and we could also reproduce and we have emotions
01:07:31and we have free will. Um, so sometimes I have had a client where a part of their contract when they
01:07:41incarnated was to work with them and offered to be in this life to be abducted. Um, that's not always
01:07:48the case, right? Um, some people are definitely taken involuntarily and, but those scary encounters,
01:07:55I can't imagine how traumatic it would be. So I'm expressing to people, I do believe you.
01:08:00And it has to be absolutely terrifying when you remember something because they don't understand
01:08:07emotions of being scared. So what they're doing, they don't know that they're being scary.
01:08:13And maybe that person's the one that agreed to this to begin with. They don't understand that we
01:08:19get data wiped the second we come out of our mother's womb and we'll remember what we agreed
01:08:24with them. Um, so it usually is the grace and they are trying to save their race and do experiments.
01:08:34Um, and earth is an experiment itself because we have had so many reboots and we're on the brink of
01:08:42destroying our whole planet and each other that, um, you know, they come in and check on us and
01:08:49see how we're doing type thing. Um, yeah, summary is grace. It's interesting. I spoke recently to,
01:08:57uh, Whitley Strieber, um, wrote the book communion, uh, on, on the podcast and yeah, he went into great
01:09:03deal about his interactions with the grays and how he had his, um, he had a hypnotic regression to
01:09:10remember the abduction. And then he had many encounters with them like for years afterwards
01:09:15where they would come and visit him and just kind of became like some sort of like a strange
01:09:19relationship with them. Um, which was really fascinating to listen to. And I read his most
01:09:23recent book also, which goes into great, even more detail about that. But, um, the grays being the most
01:09:29popular, almost like prototypical alien, um, that, that we all kind of, kind of like refer to when we
01:09:36think about aliens. Um, like, why do you think that's been the archetype that has kind of like
01:09:41developed? Um, I think that's what started, you know, in the forties and the government told us it's
01:09:50not real. So, so people went with that and, and ran with it, but also they're the ones I, I know are a
01:09:57little bit more visible. Um, the Nordics or the tall whites, what I forget what the most common, but
01:10:04that's the, the most is the Nordics or the tall whites. They're more, um, you know, Swedish looking
01:10:09Nordic looking. So they might blend down a little bit more. I have not, no, I have, I have encountered
01:10:16one in some of my meditations, um, that their eyes are just a little bit bigger or maybe offset just a
01:10:26little bit or something. So you could definitely tell, but their energy is different too. So, but
01:10:31a muggle might not be able to sense the energy difference like I can. Um, but I think it's just
01:10:39grazer or they're, they're what are known because people remember them from the abductions. Like
01:10:43people are starting to remember more and more abductions. And the more we talk for this disclosure
01:10:49stuff and we, we have all these videos and things that are coming out, the more people are remembering
01:10:55like suppressed memories from childhood on maybe an abduction or an encounter that they had
01:11:00themselves. It's amazing. The stories that folks have reached out to me to share.
01:11:06Yeah, that's awesome. I'm trying to do my part to get people talking and, you know, trying to start
01:11:11with the, the, the people close to me in my own life by sharing the stuff that I'm doing with this
01:11:16show. So hopefully we can get even more people talking about this stuff. It's important. I think it
01:11:21really is important, like legitimately, um, to, to have these conversations and it seems to be
01:11:26gaining momentum, which is nice to see. Yeah, I agree. I, I thought when I first came forward
01:11:33on the good trouble show with Matt Ford and I got doxed, um, by somebody, I don't want to say a name
01:11:41because I don't want to give him, um, recognition, but he announced to the world before I came forward
01:11:48that I was a psychic medium. And I just thought I'm going to be gutted. I'm going to be flayed.
01:11:53I'm going to be barbecued. And I had so much love sent to me. And that is just evidence alone
01:12:00that people are like the talking about all this stuff is actually working and folks are starting
01:12:06to awaken. Absolutely. Do you want to share anything about the work that you're doing now?
01:12:12Where can people follow you or see what you're up to?
01:12:14I am currently taking a break from doing readings. Um, spirits given me a poll to get back into it,
01:12:21but, um, that's the number one question and people want reading. So I'm really sorry.
01:12:25I have a lot happening in my personal life at the moment and I am still grieving for my kitty cat that
01:12:30I lost. Um, but I am going to do them at some point. I, I'm pretty certain before the end of the
01:12:38year. Uh, I am on Instagram, Sarah grace warrior and Facebook is Sarah grace psychic medium. There
01:12:47are a couple of dupe accounts out there, people. So my background image is that this is my only
01:12:52account. Um, so make sure to follow the right one. Uh, Sarah grace warrior.com is my website and, um,
01:13:01send me messages through the website as well. Sarah grace warrior at gmail.com as well.
01:13:06Cool. I will provide links to those in the description so people can get in touch with you.
01:13:11Sarah, it's been a amazing speaking to you. Fascinating conversation. I really appreciate
01:13:15your time. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. All right. Thanks as always, everybody who watched,
01:13:20uh, don't forget to like, subscribe, comment, and do all those good things. And I'll be back again soon.
01:13:26Take care.
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