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  • 4/22/2025
Chief Justice John Roberts questions attorneys during oral arguments for Mahmoud v. Taylor, a case involving LGBTQ+ books in schools.
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00:00The school board alleges that the opt-out system became unworkable.
00:07Is that a factor we should take into account in deciding whether it could be required?
00:13Certainly, there could be situations where it could be unworkable.
00:17The board never raised that until after this litigation commenced.
00:20When they announced the withdrawal, they said it was because every student needed to read the inclusivity books.
00:25When they produced documents in response to an open records request,
00:28there was no mention of it not being workable.
00:32When parents met with the superintendents, this is in the Hisham Garti Declaration at JA44,
00:40the reason given there was inclusivity.
00:43There was no mention of administrability until the litigation has been filed.
00:49Even then, all the board was able to come up with was an argument that in one instance in one school
00:55there were dozens of students who opted out, where if the average school size in Montgomery County
00:59is 700 students across at least a dozen classrooms, you're talking maybe one student per classroom.
01:04That hardly compares with the one in eight students who are opted out for individual education programs,
01:1015% of students in Montgomery County who are taking English for speakers of a second language.
01:16The board's own opt-outs that are required from the same instruction required by state law
01:22to be opted out when the same books are read in health class.
01:25Counsel.
01:26The board's own opt-out.
01:27The board's own opt-out.
01:28The board's own opt-out.
01:29The board's own opt-in.
01:30The board's own opt-in.
01:31The board's own opt-in.
01:32The board's own opt-in.
01:33The board's own opt-in.
01:34The board's own opt-in.
01:35The board's own opt-in.
01:36The board's own opt-in.
01:37The board's own opt-in.
01:38The board's own opt-in.
01:39The board's own opt-in.
01:40The board's own opt-in.
01:41The board's own opt-in.
01:42The board's own opt-in.
01:43The board's own opt-in.
01:44The board's own opt-in.
01:45The board's own opt-in.
01:46The board's own opt-in.

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