24.Hours in Police Custody S01E05

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14/04/2025

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00:00your client has been arrested for suspicion of assault you've approached him and then with an

00:08open palm slapped him across the head absolute rubbish you said he was violent with you would

00:14that be right he's a violent young man even his friends have said eventually he will kill somebody

00:20it will be you

00:30once a suspect is in custody the police have 24 hours to investigate and interview

00:40after that it's either charge or release you've been arrested on suspicion of human trafficking

00:50on suspicion of stalking and suspicion of gbh position and making of indecent images of

00:57children suspicion of conspiracy to murder start explaining

01:01it's the police's job to ask what really happened where were you on the 28th of March it was not me

01:10I was not there that could have been a hundred to one people there's nothing to do with me

01:15who's innocent who's guilty why would Pete say that he's assaulted him because he's deluded he's a

01:32drunk well that's nonsense from the streets to the interrogation rooms where's the knife did you have

01:41a knife he makes specific threat that he is going to kill her from the suspects to the head of CID

01:47that's one hell of a shirt David I'm loving it

01:50these are the men and women who have just 24 hours to find the evidence I'm not letting him get away

01:59I want it I want it nicked and charged if he kicks off on that at all I'm a lover not a fighter

02:06will they discover it before time runs out good news yeah

02:14I mean face towards the door a young man has been brought in for fighting after a Saturday night

02:38Chris listen you're in custody now okay whatever's happened out there it's happened right just stop

02:48fighting against these people yeah

02:50you got people coming into the cells drunk you got people coming into the cells on drugs you got

03:19people coming into the cells which are don't want to go to the cell so they'll do anything they can

03:23including trying to kick your head off just to make sure they don't go in there

03:27you'll be a timid little boy

03:46officers are going to arrest a man for an alleged assault on a pensioner in his care

04:03this is the job we went to yesterday yeah Michael Cherry ABH Cherry the male we're after it's been residing with Rose for seven years and Cherry has paid to be the

04:17carer for Rose who suffers with a breathing difficulty and he's also a terminal cancer patient

04:23He's got bell canter. Apparently this cherry guy is very very aggressive and volatile

04:28and for the past seven years he's been assaulting him and he's had approximately

04:34£30,000 out of him. If he doesn't give her the money he gets a slap, allegedly.

04:40There he is. There's a chap sitting on his own. Bless him.

04:46Thank you. He's got your door chain on.

04:53Peter, hello. Hi. Is he there? You've got him. Is he here?

04:59Yes. Please all calm down. Unfortunately Peter, we've got to come and take him with us so we can interview him.

05:06You're going to make my life very difficult. No we're not. We're going to try and make it better for you.

05:11OK. I promise you. It would be better if you simply went away.

05:17Right. OK. Do you mind?

05:18Yeah, I do mind. The reason I do mind is that I did this a couple of years ago.

05:22Yeah. OK. And you very very clearly said to me that he was making your life a misery.

05:26He was taking money from you. He was assaulting you. OK.

05:30And I sat and I spent two hours writing, only for you to decide that you didn't want to pursue it.

05:35Nothing has changed. I gave you all sorts of advice. Nothing's changed. You've still got him here.

05:40He's still assaulting you. He's still taking money from you. And out of duty of care to you, he is coming with us.

05:46No, please don't. OK. Now let me put it another way.

05:49When he kills you, our lives will be miserable. Yours will have finished.

05:52So we're going to go and tell him he's coming now.

05:55You're not helping me at all. No. Um, we are.

06:00OK.

06:01OK.

06:02OK.

06:03Peter.

06:04Sorry, Michael even. Hello mate. It's the police here. How are you doing?

06:13How are you? Oh, you've had a drink?

06:17OK, Michael. Unfortunately, Peter made an allegation to us last night. OK.

06:23That you've assaulted him. We're going to have to take you down to the police station with us.

06:27Peter.

06:28No, no, there's none of that. No, no.

06:29Don't bother. No, don't do that.

06:32OK.

06:33You're absolutely joking. I'm seriously not. Come on, up we get. Thank you.

06:37Peter, go and sit down for us, please, in the lounge.

06:39I would prefer you just fuck off everything.

06:41OK. We've got to go. We'll just put him...

06:43Peter, seriously, what's going on? No.

06:45What's going on?

06:47What's going on?

06:49You're not going anywhere.

06:51He isn't. He is.

06:52They're taking me away. Don't fall.

06:54Oh, great. There you go.

06:56Peter, what the hell is this the way?

06:58I'm sure you've had a good time.

07:00Peter, I've been a safe reminder of course.

07:02Put your head on the door.

07:07Put the chain on, Peter.

07:09Make sure you lock the door behind us, Peter.

07:14Do you want to take two of those?

07:15Yeah.

07:16You really must be desperate.

07:17Coming round this time of the night.

07:1924 hours later.

07:21We've got room at Luton Custody, please.

07:24I've just monitored. They've only got two spaces.

07:27How many have you got?

07:29I've got one coming in.

07:30There's a high-risk vulnerable adult that's been assaulted.

07:33Yeah, high-risk, yeah.

07:35Michael, you're still under caution, okay?

07:37No comment.

07:39I don't give a shit.

07:40You fucking really piss me off.

07:41Fuck off.

07:42Before I really kick off, mate.

07:43I'll tell you what, then.

07:44Just in case you do, I'll hold them.

07:45You can hold them, then.

07:46Don't be silly.

07:47Don't fuck about them, mate.

07:48I'm not going to knock you moved.

07:49You've come in my fucking house.

07:50Are you going to stay calm?

07:51You've upset bloke that I care for, right?

07:52And you come and get me out of my bed when I'm fucked asleep.

07:53Yeah, if we've got a dunceable van close by, we've just arrested someone and he's decided he wants to kick off in the back of our panda.

08:06Piss off.

08:07Driving two Thursday?

08:08Yeah, it's second of the vote.

08:09It doesn't matter.

08:10You don't need to call.

08:11So why you're not arresting him for wasting his time?

08:13Come on out, we go.

08:14No.

08:15Why you're not arresting him for wasting his time?

08:17Why you're not arresting him for wasting his time?

08:18Yeah, he's just kicking off in the back of my vehicle and I'm not happy to take him.

08:32What do you expect when you're about to be out of bed?

08:35Well, you shouldn't commit crime then should you commit a crime did I?

08:38Here we go, sweetheart. Thank you very much.

08:40I told you to get out of the flat.

08:43Cheers.

08:44Erm, Luton are expecting us. Are you happy to? Thank you. We'll follow you up.

08:50Yeah?

08:51Yeah.

08:51I'll follow you.

08:59You've been arrested just to make sure we have no other problems tonight, okay? No more arguments.

09:05That's all.

09:08Another man has been arrested after a row with his partner.

09:13Have you been arrested before? No? So all that's going to happen is you try and get some sleep

09:19and then you walk out, you leave. That's it. Nothing else, okay? You all right?

09:27All right. You're all right, you're all right.

09:30How much alcohol have you had in the last 24 hours?

09:33One bottle.

09:34One bottle of?

09:35Of?

09:36Macbeth.

09:36Bacardi?

09:37Yes, sir.

09:38Okay, what, like a mixer drink?

09:39Yes.

09:40Yeah? Like a litre bottle?

09:41Just one of them?

09:42Half.

09:43Half of that.

09:44Okay, do you normally drink?

09:45No, this is a lot.

09:47This is a lot?

09:48Can I tell you what you're special?

09:49You don't normally drink?

09:50No.

09:51Okay.

09:52Do you have any medical conditions?

09:53No.

09:54Do you take any medication at all?

09:56No.

09:56And sir, have you ever tried to hurt yourself?

09:59Yes.

10:00Can you go home?

10:01Is it because you don't want to talk, you don't want to tell me in front of him?

10:05Is that what you're saying?

10:07What's that?

10:07Do you want me to go?

10:09Mm-hmm.

10:10Okay, just go.

10:10Okay, let's see how we're going.

10:13Okay.

10:14Tomorrow.

10:15Tomorrow?

10:16What's going to happen tomorrow?

10:17I will kill my wife.

10:20You will kill your wife tomorrow?

10:21Yes.

10:22And how are you going to do that?

10:26Okay.

10:26Do you have a wife?

10:28I have a wife, yeah.

10:28If you could just take a seat for two minutes, please?

10:33Sure.

10:33I'll just have a chair.

10:37So after you went, he leans in and whispers to me, tomorrow I kill my wife.

10:43Really?

10:44Yeah.

10:44Is he just drunk or are we generally concerned for...?

10:48I think he is drunk.

10:50Yeah.

10:51He was listening to music, got quite angry with the music.

10:55Went off on one, didn't he?

10:55And went off on one.

10:56She noticed the signs of stress.

10:58She's called an ambulance.

11:00He heard her calling the ambulance, put his shoes on and walked out.

11:03Right.

11:03Didn't come back for an hour and then she called us.

11:05Okay, but we'll bed him down.

11:06They'll have to have a chat with him before they release him in the morning.

11:08Risk accessibility.

11:10Terrific.

11:10All right, fine.

11:11I'll go with that.

11:11You guys can shoot if you want to shoot.

11:13Yeah.

11:13Yes.

11:14Lovely.

11:14All right, no problem.

11:19Please, let me my cigarette.

11:24Okay.

11:26Come this way?

11:29Oh, I know.

11:35Okay.

11:56Come and stand here, please.

12:13You're Michael, are you?

12:14Yes, sir.

12:14How you doing, mate?

12:15You all right?

12:15Not really, no.

12:16Of course I'm not.

12:17In fact, you're here on a Saturday night, yeah.

12:19I did that when I was 12 years old, so you get sort of a felt in my fingers, you'll soon realise.

12:29Yeah, quite and bring mummy.

12:31What's your chap being arrested for now?

12:33Um, ABH.

12:34ABH.

12:34Domestically related, is it?

12:35No.

12:36No?

12:36ABH?

12:37Yeah.

12:38Okay, what's the circumstances?

12:46Okay, it is alleged, alleged, that VP has assaulted the victim by slapping him with an open palm across the head, because the IP refused to give him his bank card.

13:04And this was reported last night, was it?

13:11Okay, and when did it happen?

13:13It happened on Thursday the 10th of April, at 1800 hours, following another incident, because there was another incident yesterday, wasn't there?

13:20No, there wasn't, no. So I've got two witnesses, don't we?

13:23There's two sides to every story, and you get to say your side.

13:26No, because I'm a young man, I'm a big, well-built, and I've got a criminal record.

13:29He's an old man, so you'll stereotype me. That's what you do, love.

13:32So he's slapped him across with an open palm?

13:35He's got bruising.

13:36Sorry, did you see bruising on him?

13:37Did you?

13:38No.

13:38What?

13:39Did you?

13:39I don't think so, love.

13:40I don't know.

13:41Yeah.

13:42Absolutely not.

13:43Okay, you've heard what the officer said. It's an allegation, mate. That's the most important thing you've got to remember. It is an allegation, Michael.

13:50Yeah.

13:50But it's not she believes it. It's the WPT believes it, but she will do. She's a woman.

13:54So I'm not going to comment on that, buddy, but I'm just...

13:56I'm sorry.

13:58Okay.

14:00I'll book him in. Get it all done. Don't need to do it now.

14:02Okay, thank you very much.

14:03No, brilliant.

14:04It was Leigh-Anne, it was you, wasn't it, the arrest, didn't it?

14:06Yeah.

14:07Yeah.

14:07Right, 900.

14:08Okay.

14:10She's really good. She's really good. She's really good. She's really good.

14:11You're going to be finished.

14:13Yeah, she's good.

14:14Have a trip.

14:15Thanks.

14:17That were extremely rude, antagonising, very prerogative.

14:21Yeah. Been arrested before, Michael.

14:23I'm afraid so, mate.

14:24Yeah, that's all right. It's not a problem.

14:26Get you a drink of coffee or something.

14:28Coffee, yeah.

14:29Yeah.

14:31Get that sorted, mate.

14:33You didn't promise me nothing, Daniel.

14:35What's that, mate?

14:35You put me more well.

14:36Yeah, I'm going to, yeah.

14:39He'll get tired a bit.

14:41Okay, have you consumed any alcohol, taken any drugs,

14:43legal or illegal in the last 24 hours?

14:45I've consumed alcohol in the last 24 hours.

14:48Okay, what'd you have? A couple of beers?

14:50About eight or nine pints, yeah.

14:51I had a good old session.

14:52Okay.

14:54You've got to cut off all night.

14:55I know.

14:56You get used to it, mate.

14:58It does your head in, doesn't it?

14:59I will turn the blind eye if you go in there and keep chit happy.

15:08Okay, if you'd like to go on.

15:09He'll get you processed now, buddy.

15:10And then, yeah, get this sorted.

15:13Then we'll get you a coffee.

15:14No worries.

15:14All right, mate.

15:15No problems.

15:18Michael Cherry will spend the night in the cells

15:21before being interviewed in the morning.

15:32All my life, I've been in young offenders, adult jails.

15:37Three years for us.

15:39Burglary, robbery, aggravated to work, assault.

15:43I've been in on remand for assault at ABH.

15:47I've been in for a school and police.

15:51I've been in for stealing cars.

15:53Basically, apart from murder, obviously, I've been there.

15:57I've done it.

15:58And now when I'm actually trying to turn my life around,

16:02calm it all down, it seems like whatever I do, bang, I end up back here.

16:08But what I've found, and this is the thing, and a lot of these young lads in here today,

16:15there's probably lots of 18, 19, 20-year-olds, young offenders in the cells tonight.

16:22If you piss the police off, and you disrespect them, and you talk to them like they're idiots,

16:26and you kick off, you'll be treated like an idiot, and you will get twisted up and thrown in the cell.

16:39During a routine medical check, the young man arrested earlier tries to make a break for it.

16:44I've done it.

16:45Yeah, fuck off me now.

16:47Get your arms out.

16:48Cuff on here, cuff on here.

16:49I can control him.

16:50I've got the cuffs on.

16:51Okay.

16:52What?

16:53Relax.

16:54Fuck off me.

16:55I don't know.

16:55No.

16:56All right, let's carry him up.

16:57He's in DR1, back around the front there.

17:00One, two, three.

17:02Get the other leg, get the other leg.

17:03Get the other leg.

17:05Yeah.

17:08First one of your wounded, yeah.

17:14All right, everyone happy?

17:33He doesn't come out now until morning when he's sober completely.

17:40Everything you've touched tonight has gone wrong, hasn't it?

17:42I'll be glad we're on my own in bed, that's for sure.

17:49You going to let me out, Tom?

17:50No.

17:51No?

17:51No.

17:52I'm just going to have to make more noise then.

17:54If you want to.

17:55What?

17:56Come on.

17:57Let me out.

17:58No.

17:59Why?

17:59First of all, you're a drunken disorderly in a public place, and then you've decided to

18:03speak and assault an officer.

18:05Speaking to an officer?

18:06You're the one that's getting fucking rude to me, bruv.

18:09I'm not your brav, to start with.

18:10I'll punch you in the face right now, and you fucking shit.

18:14You're a fucking cuss.

18:15You're a snag.

18:16Sleep end of the life.

18:17I think we'll have to.

18:22People very rarely shout abuse at me.

18:25They shout at the uniform.

18:26They shout at the police in general.

18:29They shout at the world, because they just want to shout at somebody.

18:38At the end of the day, we're just there to protect their life, to protect them from

18:41themselves, from others, and to protect other people from them.

18:46Police are required to check on prisoners at regular intervals.

18:49Somebody's banging on the door.

18:51They've got enough strength so that they're not that much of a problem.

18:54You know they're alive.

18:55It's when they lay on the floor in the cell, or they just lay on the bed without moving.

19:01That's where I personally really getting concerned.

19:04Whether he's trying to put his trousers around his neck under his blanket,

19:08whether he's found a bit of a blade or something in the cell.

19:11Because they, people are ingenious.

19:13I've seen somebody cutting his wrist with a broken bit of his zip from his trousers.

19:21Custody Sergeant Matt Carroll is concerned about the man who made threats to kill his wife.

19:28How are you feeling? Okay?

19:30Yeah.

19:30Yeah? Are you sure you're okay?

19:34Have you managed to get any sleep?

19:35I want to take you to the end of my life.

19:41Well, how am I supposed to take that?

19:42I want to stay to end to the end of fucking my life.

19:46And what do you mean by that?

19:49Are you suggesting you want to end your life?

19:50Yes.

19:52Yes.

19:53Shut up.

20:23Co się dzieje?

20:35Co?

20:36Ja już przyjechałem tu.

20:41Bogaty, żeby tu jeszcze więcej zarobić.

20:45Kurna prawda.

20:47Tak samo jak każdy inny przyjechał.

20:49Nie okłamujmy się.

20:51Tam było przejebane.

20:53Tu, przepraszam, że tak powiedziałem.

20:55Tu po prostu przyjechaliśmy, bo jest lepiej.

20:58Wiesz co?

20:59Wolę żyć tu, niż tam.

21:01To wreszcie?

21:03Znaczy to nie.

21:05Po pierwsze...

21:07Daję mi kawę, słuchaj.

21:09Mam jeszcze dwa papierosy.

21:11No i co?

21:13Wszyscy są mili.

21:15Czy też mam opinię jako Polakowi?

21:17Proszę.

21:19Według mnie.

21:21No już się pewnie domyśliłeś, że masz depresję, nie?

21:25Bo to brzmi jak...

21:26Nie, to jest super.

21:27Ja nie mogę mieć.

21:29Wszyscy, co, nie?

21:31Wszyscy, nie?

21:32Wszyscy, nie?

21:33Wszyscy, nie?

21:34Wszyscy, nie?

21:35Wszyscy, nie?

21:36Wszyscy, nie?

21:37Wszyscy, że mamy szpitalałem,

21:39bo moja, nie?

21:41Nie.

21:42Wszyscy, że masz droga, nie?

21:43We found out that she was pregnant, after two weeks of being here.

21:49Would you believe if I tell you I've joined the police by surprise?

21:55I used to teach in the Polish Saturday School in Luton.

22:00We were approached by one of the inspectors from Bedfordshire Police,

22:05looking for volunteers.

22:06And I still couldn't believe what I've done nine months later,

22:09when I was cutting my hair off for the interview and getting me a warrant card.

22:12We'll see you soon.

22:14I do miss my own country, but after being there for a few weeks,

22:18I now miss UK more.

22:20And this is my home now.

22:23He says he's not going to do anything to himself today,

22:27but on the 14th, he just wants to end it.

22:30He decided, oh, 14th of the 4th, 14th, he wants to end it.

22:35So I said, well, there's no points.

22:38Have a chat with the doctors and they'll try to sort it out for you.

22:41Yeah.

22:42Either they'll give you some kind of medication that'll make you a bit more happy.

22:45Yeah.

22:46Or help you to go through it.

22:47Or just buy yourself a guitar.

22:48Because he said, well, what did you used to do?

22:50Oh, I used to play guitar.

22:51So why don't you buy yourself a guitar?

22:53Because it's expensive.

22:54Mate, it's 30 quid.

22:55Yeah, but do you know how much money it is?

22:57I know exactly, because I've bought myself a drunkie.

22:59So my wife nearly cut me heads off, mate.

23:02Brilliant.

23:03Well done, Shabb.

23:04Thank you, mate.

23:05Oh.

23:06Hard work.

23:07Chris, the young man who spent the night banging on his cell door,

23:12is now sober and ready to be booked in.

23:31Have you consumed any alcohol, taking any drugs prescribed or otherwise,

23:32or any solvents within the last 24 hours?

23:33How much alcohol would it be?

23:34How much alcohol?

23:35That's a lot.

23:36You can just put lots.

23:38Oh.

23:39Oh.

23:40That's a lot.

23:41Right.

23:42You can just put lots.

23:43Okay.

23:44That's a lot of alcohol.

23:45You can just put lots.

23:46I can't...

23:47I can't.

23:48Okay.

23:49That's a lot.

23:50Right.

23:51Right.

23:52Okay.

23:53Right.

23:54All right.

23:55Okay.

23:56That's a lot.

23:57Okay.

23:59Alright.

24:00There we go.

24:03Chris is released with a caution.

24:14For another man who came in very drunk in the night,

24:17the case became more serious after he made threats to kill his wife.

24:25I'm afraid, you OK?

24:26Let's keep in with you, shall we?

24:33I hate bullies, so domestic violence is one that does bug me a lot of the time.

24:45With a lot of domestic incidents, we don't always have a lot of evidence to go on.

24:51OK, I'm going to interview you with regards to why you were arrested this morning,

24:57if that makes sense.

24:58Last night, you were originally brought into custody for what we call a breach of the peace.

25:07So sometimes, if we think there may be an argument or there may be trouble between two people,

25:13we take one person away to prevent anything happening.

25:18When you were brought in, whilst you were being booked into custody,

25:21you said to the custody sergeant who was on duty,

25:25I will kill my wife.

25:27OK, so based on that...

25:30I'd be more than sure I said I'm going to kill myself.

25:33Ah, well, I have watched the CCTV and I hear you say,

25:39I will kill my wife.

25:42Did you?

25:43Yeah.

25:45Tell me, do you remember?

25:47No.

25:49Why...

25:49Tell me why you would say that.

25:51No, that's crazy things.

25:53I'm not a person who can even beat someone.

26:00Especially a woman which is 30 years with me.

26:03Were you angry with her last night?

26:06We start, you know, we had arguments between us.

26:09She will start shouting and then I said to her,

26:12shut up and get out from this room, please.

26:16I don't want to talk to you then.

26:17Mm-hm.

26:19She's still blah, blah, blah to me.

26:23I said, listen, now I'm leaving, I'm going to the show.

26:26Mm-hm.

26:26Tell me how you feel now and your thoughts about your wife now.

26:33I'm feeling sorry, I'm really feeling sorry.

26:35Yeah.

26:35And also, for me, it's a really big shame.

26:39Mm-hm.

26:39Your wife has been in today to pick you up.

26:43She's worried about you and she's provided a statement saying

26:47you are a good man, that you've never done anything horrible to her

26:53and that, you know, you've been together 30 years.

26:57That's OK, don't apologise.

26:59Sorry, I didn't mean to upset you.

27:01OK.

27:01That's OK, sorry, I just want to make you feel better

27:08because she does care about you and she's worried about you.

27:13Do you understand?

27:16And I just want to make sure that when you go home,

27:18you two are going to be OK.

27:20Of course.

27:21Yeah?

27:22And she does care and she's...

27:25I didn't touch her, even by this finger.

27:28Mm-hm.

27:28I think what you need to do, both of you,

27:32without any alcohol, is talk.

27:35You tell her how you're feeling.

27:37But no drinking, OK?

27:39Of course.

27:40Have you got anything else that you would like to say?

27:43Nothing.

27:43OK, thank you.

27:44I'm going to bring the interview to an end then, all right?

27:46Yes.

27:46There we go, after you.

27:53People say that we're a bit like agony aunts

27:55because people will tell us stuff

27:57that they perhaps wouldn't share with anybody else.

28:02No worries.

28:04Certainly for me, I joined the job to help people

28:07and I like people, I care about people.

28:10People are pretty all right.

28:11So, you know, if you didn't care,

28:15then you wouldn't do a good job.

28:17OK.

28:18OK, I'll see you in a bit.

28:20All right.

28:21So it's good to care.

28:29Just not too much.

28:30He seems like a genuinely all right bloke,

28:38just having a really shit time.

28:40Lost his job.

28:41Yeah.

28:41I said to him about, you know...

28:43I think he just cracked up.

28:45Yeah.

28:45He just momentarily cracked up.

28:47I said, your wife's been in and given us a statement

28:50and said, what a decent man you are,

28:52what a good man you are,

28:53and then he just went...

28:54And then I was like, I'm sorry,

28:57just trying to make you feel a bit better.

29:00Think it.

29:01Yeah.

29:01No, I didn't cry.

29:03No.

29:03When you first came in here,

29:04were you budding?

29:06You were very, very...

29:08I just, you know,

29:09if people are genuinely nice...

29:11You've changed.

29:12Go on then.

29:12Go on.

29:13Then, you know,

29:13I think they're genuinely...

29:14I'm not accusing you.

29:15So, yeah, that's what he said.

29:17He can't remember.

29:19And he has no intention of doing anything like that.

29:21I've got no immediate concerns,

29:23so get shot of him.

29:24Yeah, of course.

29:25OK?

29:25And I'll type that up.

29:33In another domestic dispute,

29:36Michael Cherry has been arrested.

29:39He's suspected of assaulting

29:40a 75-year-old man in his care.

29:51Oh, we'll go and speak to section then.

29:53OK.

29:55Officers will need to speak to the victim

29:56before they can interview Cherry.

29:59I hate people that prey on the vulnerable,

30:02like children, elderly, disabled,

30:05people with mental disabilities.

30:07I hate that.

30:08That person is vulnerable.

30:10You don't mess around with that person.

30:12You don't take advantage of that person.

30:17Hello, Mr Rose.

30:18How are you?

30:19Yeah, I'm all right.

30:20The only thing that is bothering me

30:22is that my carer has been incarcerated

30:24in the police station.

30:26I can't get him out.

30:27Yeah, that's what we're here about.

30:29You said he was violent with you.

30:31Would that be right?

30:32He is a violent young man.

30:35Even his friends have said,

30:37hang on, we're not putting up with this.

30:39But he just goes.

30:43See, that's a concern, Peter, isn't it?

30:45If he...

30:46How much further will he go?

30:50Well, a friend of his who said,

30:53well, eventually he will kill somebody.

30:56Right.

30:57He said, it will be you.

31:00If he continues, I'll slap him.

31:04You know, I'll stop him.

31:06How long has this been going on for?

31:08Five years, maybe.

31:09About five years.

31:10Can you tell me a little bit about the money?

31:12I'm not terribly worried about that.

31:14I don't know why the police want to make a scene about it.

31:17But it's only money.

31:19It's not a scene you've...

31:20The concern is that you've told us

31:22that it's about £30,000 in total.

31:25But it's only money.

31:26You know, he is my sole heir, right?

31:29He's your sole heir?

31:31Yeah.

31:31OK.

31:33If he chooses to wreck it away now,

31:36so be it, you know,

31:38he won't inherit it later.

31:41Can I just have a quick word with my colleague, yeah?

31:43Yeah, sure.

31:43Cool.

31:44Yeah.

31:49Do you want...

31:50Do you want to stay on the back of his house?

31:52If he's one word against the other, I assume...

31:54He's got an injury, so...

31:55He's got a visible injury.

31:56The officers have seen it,

31:57so that will count towards something at least.

32:01But that's because he's a 75-year-old bit.

32:16So what we're going to do is we're going to go back

32:17and we're going to speak to him,

32:19and then we'll take you from there,

32:20but keep your phone next to you,

32:22and I will give you a call, OK,

32:23just to update you about what's going on.

32:25OK, thank you.

32:26Wish is noted.

32:28Thanks, Peter.

32:31Yeah, we'll do.

32:33We'll secure the door after, please, Peter.

32:39It is very frustrating.

32:40Victims are...

32:42And witnesses are the biggest headache we have,

32:44to be honest,

32:45more than the defendant,

32:47because they'll make a statement

32:48and they'll tell us how bad everything was,

32:50and you're thinking,

32:51right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

32:52this is a real victim,

32:53let's take it forward.

32:54So you take it forward,

32:55and then two days later,

32:56they're retracting it now.

32:57Don't want to...

32:58Don't want to get involved.

33:01He's basically a punch bag for this guy,

33:06and he says,

33:07even his friends have said to me,

33:08one day he's going to end up killing someone,

33:09and that person will be you.

33:11But he wouldn't reveal anything about the money.

33:13He wouldn't say anything about the money.

33:15He goes,

33:15he is a sole heir on his will.

33:18Always, yeah.

33:19So the money, the flat,

33:21everything he possessions,

33:23belong to...

33:24Mr Cherry.

33:24And the assaults,

33:26he says,

33:26and he just says,

33:27he comes home drunk,

33:28and he beats me up,

33:28and I can't control him.

33:31But it's the whole...

33:32But he stops when I tell him to.

33:33Yeah, he stops when I tell him to,

33:35and when he realises it's out of control.

33:37But he goes,

33:38one day he's going to end up killing me.

33:39And he's the...

33:39And he is the sole beneficiary of the will.

33:43Supposedly, we didn't see the will.

33:44Allegedly.

33:44Allegedly, yeah.

33:45If there's any criminality here,

33:47if there is,

33:48I'm saying there is,

33:50but if there is,

33:50and it appears to me,

33:52we could have somebody unwillingly,

33:57unknowingly, I should say,

33:58having their will

33:59bent against their better judgment.

34:01My belief is

34:02he just wants the company

34:0424 hours a day.

34:06This guy perhaps doesn't give him

34:07the 24 hours a day,

34:09and he doesn't want to die alone.

34:11I'm getting the impression

34:12that's exactly what he is.

34:14He's a sad old man

34:15who's got a terminal illness,

34:18and he really is reaching out.

34:21And the only person

34:22he can reach out to at the moment,

34:23he feels perhaps,

34:25if I'm right,

34:25is this guy.

34:27Seems like he's a free meal ticket as well,

34:29because he just goes down there

34:30as a drink,

34:30he goes around there when he wants to,

34:32and he says,

34:33right, give me money now,

34:34and on the last occasion,

34:35he says no,

34:36and he's beaten.

34:36Which is why people tend to stay away,

34:40because Mr Cherry downstairs

34:42is...

34:44probably violent and rude towards them.

34:46I think ultimately,

34:47the isolation is not created

34:49by the elderly gentleman,

34:51the isolation is created

34:52by the carer.

34:53Yes,

34:54keeping everyone at arms late.

34:55Because he's private,

34:57he's a private carer,

34:59so he's not been CRB checked

35:00by social services.

35:01Because he's not,

35:01and he's got a violent history.

35:03Exactly,

35:03otherwise there's no way

35:05in hell any agency

35:05would take him on.

35:06He would not be allowed there anymore.

35:07Not even the lows of the low

35:08would take him on.

35:09The problem I've got is

35:21that until I get the heads up

35:22from the investigation teams,

35:24I'm not going to be able to say

35:25how long you're going to be here.

35:26I'm not going to be here again

35:27another night.

35:28No,

35:29we've only got 24 hours

35:30in which to deal with you.

35:30This case is absolutely

35:32nothing even to answer to.

35:34I'm not in a position to say that

35:35and it's not my job to do that.

35:37It's just too much for me.

35:38I'd be guessing.

35:40Because I am actually

35:41an old man.

35:42Who's the person

35:42you need to check on?

35:44Peter Rice.

35:44He's the person

35:46that you've assaulted

35:46so I can't get to speak to him.

35:47I haven't assaulted him.

35:48Well,

35:49that's the allegation.

35:52But I'll note the fact

35:53that you've asked

35:53to speak to him

35:54that I've refused.

35:55I've asked press charges as well.

35:56I'm one of my press charges

35:58and Peter Rosen.

35:59What happens is...

36:00Slander and force allegations.

36:02Okay,

36:02once you're Alicia in custody

36:03you're at will to do that

36:05but obviously

36:05we can only deal

36:06with one thing at a time

36:07and you're here

36:07to be interviewed

36:09regarding his allegations.

36:10You need to stop doing this.

36:12One.

36:12Down the bottom,

36:16aren't you?

36:16Your mum?

36:17Yeah.

36:20Saturday night

36:20into Sunday morning

36:21we're always full.

36:23Right,

36:23so you'll kick your shoes off.

36:26So it's in our interest

36:27to get you dealt with

36:28as quickly as we can

36:29as well

36:29so we're not doing it.

36:31So,

36:32all right then.

36:42OK,

36:48you're going home.

36:51Be careful.

36:52We're taking no action.

36:54OK?

36:55Just obviously,

36:56like I say,

36:56talk to your wife.

36:58Perhaps go and speak

36:59to someone

36:59just with regards

37:00to what's going on.

37:01All right?

37:05Cheers, Pete.

37:06His wife's just

37:07picked him up,

37:08got a nice car.

37:10Jaguar.

37:10Jag.

37:12Got a jag.

37:13Got a jag.

37:14Got a jag.

37:14Jeremy Clarkson's

37:15got a jag.

37:15Got a jag.

37:17I like that.

37:17Got a jag.

37:19I'm just part of the jag.

37:23Anyway,

37:24where are we going

37:24for this chicken and chips?

37:26I don't know.

37:27I'm still yet to find

37:28a decent chicken and chips place

37:29so I'm going to go

37:30with what everyone else goes.

37:32Well,

37:33Tom's the man

37:33because I don't really know.

37:34All right,

37:34fair enough.

37:35Right,

37:35where is there a good place

37:36in town

37:37to get chicken and chips from?

37:38Sober.

37:39When you're sober.

37:40Yeah,

37:40when you're sober.

37:43Nando's.

37:45True.

37:45That is a fair point,

37:46to be fair.

37:47That is chicken and chips.

37:48Yeah,

37:49and it's half price,

37:50isn't it?

37:50And it's half price

37:51to go in uniform,

37:51yeah.

37:52All right, mate,

37:53but I'll speak to you later.

37:54All right,

37:54no worries, mate.

37:54Have a super day.

37:55I'll have an amazing day.

37:57Bye.

37:57Love you.

37:58Bye.

38:01Police are now ready

38:02to interview Cherry,

38:04who's asked

38:05for a solicitor.

38:05I think I'm fairly good

38:17at figuring out a person.

38:19I would like to hope so.

38:20I mean,

38:20I might be wrong,

38:21but I keep an open mind,

38:22but sometimes you can't help.

38:24When you read something really bad,

38:26you're thinking,

38:27you know,

38:27you think the worst of a person.

38:29And then when you go downstairs,

38:30sometimes those ideas are true.

38:33Some people I've interviewed

38:34and I thought,

38:35you're exactly the same

38:36as I perceived you,

38:37but others I've been like,

38:38hmm,

38:38this has been a bit different.

38:39This is a change

38:41from what I expected.

38:42Okay.

38:42Mm-hmm.

38:43Good.

38:44Your client has been arrested

38:45on suspicion of assault.

38:47It is alleged

38:48that the offender

38:48has assaulted the IP

38:49by hitting them on the head.

38:51I'm now further arresting you

38:52on suspicion of theft

38:53of approximately 700 pounds.

38:57Going back to Thursday,

38:58then,

38:59can you tell me

38:59where you were

39:00at about six o'clock

39:01in the evening?

39:01Six o'clock in the evening?

39:03Mm-hmm.

39:03I told you exactly

39:04where I was,

39:04Mr. Chips.

39:06Mr. Chips?

39:07And they know me very well,

39:08yeah.

39:08And,

39:09silly question,

39:10what were you doing there?

39:11Aldrin Peter,

39:12Puckerpike,

39:12Pine Chips

39:13and me fishing Chips.

39:15Also,

39:15in relation to this 700 pounds,

39:16do you want to just

39:17give me a quick...

39:17Basically,

39:18yeah.

39:19What it is,

39:19is like,

39:20if he asks me

39:20to go over

39:21and use the cash machine

39:22and then if he says,

39:23are you okay for money,

39:24Michael?

39:24I say,

39:24I'll say,

39:25what,

39:25can I borrow 20,

39:2530 quid?

39:26Yes,

39:26she can.

39:27I'll come back

39:28with a receipt

39:28and the cash

39:29and give it to him

39:30with his expressed

39:31and utter permission.

39:33How long have you

39:33been his carer,

39:34Michael?

39:34About three years,

39:35three and a half years.

39:36Does suffer badly

39:37from breathing.

39:39So,

39:39they basically,

39:40they said to me,

39:41basically,

39:41go on carer's allowance

39:42just to be his sole carer.

39:44I said,

39:44well,

39:45I'm not qualified

39:45so you don't have to be.

39:46Just be there,

39:47get his medication,

39:48help him out,

39:48do things he generally

39:49can't do,

39:50which worked out

39:51a treat for me and him.

39:52Why would Pete say

39:53that he'd assaulted him?

39:55Because he's deluded,

39:56he's a drunk.

39:57Does Pete drink

39:58a lot of brandy?

39:59Bottle a day.

39:59Bottle a day?

40:00Bottle a day.

40:01In relation to the money then,

40:03why would Pete say

40:03that you've stolen it then?

40:05Why would Pete say

40:05he's got bowel cancer

40:06and prostrate cancer?

40:08Has he not got that?

40:09He's never had any treatment.

40:11He's a walking miracle.

40:12He told me that in 2005

40:14about prostrate cancer

40:15and he's still alive

40:16and bowel cancer.

40:182008.

40:20Okay,

40:20apart from the cancer

40:21then,

40:21apart from his medical illnesses,

40:22anything else he's lied about?

40:24Yeah.

40:25That I've assaulted him

40:26on several occasions

40:27and I've stolen money for him.

40:28There's another start.

40:29So why are you still

40:30living with him then?

40:30Because I have nowhere else to live

40:32and I've been homeless before

40:33and believe you me,

40:34it nearly killed me

40:35and if I was homeless again,

40:36I would do myself in.

40:38Obviously,

40:39we've spoken to Peter

40:40and have you spoke to him today?

40:42Yes.

40:43And he's still making

40:44his allegation up?

40:44Yes.

40:45Mad.

40:46He says that

40:47on this date of the assault

40:49you've asked him for some money.

40:50He says that he refused

40:51to give you the card

40:52and you got very angry.

40:54You've approached him

40:55and then with an open palm

40:57slapped him across the head.

40:58Absolute rubbish.

40:59And as a result of that,

40:59he's got a lump.

41:00So I'm going to show you

41:01the photographs now.

41:02This is exhibit LH1.

41:04Hold on a sec, Michael.

41:06Oh, sorry.

41:06A little bit of patience

41:07is required.

41:08Do you recognise this person?

41:10Yes, I do.

41:10Well, where's the slap then?

41:11OK.

41:12Apparently there.

41:13Bruising there

41:14is from the slap across the head

41:15according to Peter.

41:16Oh, why?

41:18Can you see?

41:19Is that bruising?

41:19Yeah.

41:20So you're denying the assault,

41:22denying the thing?

41:23Absolutely.

41:23OK.

41:24Is there anything else

41:24you want to say to me?

41:26No.

41:26No?

41:27OK.

41:28Like I said,

41:29what's going to happen now

41:29is I'm going to need

41:30to go and speak to my supervisor.

41:31Do you need a further consultation?

41:32Jase, thank you very much.

41:33No worries.

41:34Oh, dear.

41:35Oh, dear.

41:42There's not enough evidence

41:43to charge Cherry.

41:45So while police continue

41:46their investigations,

41:48he's released on bail

41:49for six weeks.

41:50Right, this is your bail sheet.

41:52With conditions.

41:53Contact condition on Peter Rose,

41:55not to contact

41:55or communicate with him

41:56in any way.

41:57And then also not to go

41:58to Peter Rose's address.

42:00The list here,

42:00so we'll show you out that way

42:01and they'll give you a lift

42:03to get your stuff.

42:04Can I leave?

42:05You can.

42:06Can you show this again?

42:07OK.

42:08I'll push the buzzer.

42:09If you're just waiting

42:09that other room.

42:10All right, cool.

42:10Debbie, bye-bye.

42:14Cherry's made arrangements

42:15to stay with a friend,

42:16but must return

42:18to Peter Rose's house

42:19to pick up some belongings.

42:35Hi, Peter.

42:36Hiya.

42:37How are you doing, mate?

42:37Hello.

42:38Peter, I've got Michael with us.

42:39He wants to collect a bit of property.

42:41Is he right to come in with this?

42:42Yeah.

42:43Yeah?

42:43We'll be with him, obviously.

42:45He's only got five minutes maximum.

42:48Can I?

42:49Can I just say something?

42:50Yeah, certainly.

42:52I don't, Michael.

42:54I want him to be here.

42:56You obviously don't.

42:58Pete, mate, I can't.

42:59I can't.

42:59It's bowel conditions, buddy.

43:01It's bowel conditions, mate.

43:02You've made quite a serious

43:03allegation, my old mucker.

43:04I can't stay, Pete.

43:06I'll get nicked.

43:08Shall we go out?

43:08Look, Pete, we'll talk about

43:09the morning,

43:09because you've had a drink, mate.

43:10We'll talk about the morning, mate.

43:11All right, all right, all right, all right.

43:13Michael, um, come on.

43:15Are you watching Crampford's

43:16coming with you all?

43:17Are you all right?

43:18No, I'm not at all.

43:20It's all right.

43:21Let's get you up and sit you down.

43:23Look, um,

43:24that is my fifth child.

43:27I appreciate that.

43:30All right, mate.

43:31Here you go.

43:32Have a seat on that.

43:34We'll send you back up.

43:36Oh, where's my glasses?

43:38I'm sending him back up.

43:41While Cherry collects his belongings,

43:45What's whiskey done in here, then?

43:47There's fresh cause for concern.

43:49Oh, something's been smashed down here.

43:51Is that a flower pot?

43:54Oh, what the fuck?

43:56Is that an egg?

43:57Is that a smashed egg?

43:58There's an egg.

43:59It's been...

44:00Oh, you're fucking joking.

44:03It looks like a bottle.

44:05Grey goose.

44:06Grey goose, that's vodka.

44:07No wonder they're out of it.

44:11I take it you had a good drink around here last night, man?

44:13Well, in future, I suggest that you don't let people stay here who don't live here.

44:19No, definitely not.

44:21Especially when Michael's not here.

44:22Because Michael's not going to be here until the investigation finishes.

44:25I will see you in six weeks or whenever, I don't know.

44:29If anybody comes around here, Michael, taking advantage of you, you need to call the police.

44:34And we can come along and ask them to leave for you, alright?

44:36If you don't want to ask them to leave yourself.

44:39I can't get it over you, can I?

44:44Oh, shit.

44:46Right, we'll see ourselves out, alright?

44:49It's okay.

44:49We'll shut the door for you.

44:51Alright, goodbye.

44:52Here's a rush.

44:52Hello, children.

44:56Hey, Dad.

45:42Domestics are really hard for police because if the partner doesn't support the police and without the support, we don't always have a lot of evidence to go on.