Should the #Patriots trade the #4 pick? Should NE just stand pat?

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Should the #Patriots trade the #4 pick? Should NE just stand pat? If they stay at 4, would you rather them take OL or best available? #NFL

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00:00The offensive line group this year. It's not like you got a Joe Alt stud

00:05You you look at I think you know, maybe the some of the the better group might be the running back group

00:13But then I wouldn't you trade down with you

00:15Like if you can't get out because you can get a running back down because you can get a running back

00:19Anywhere like I wouldn't waste my time. No, I know that's my point is like let's say you trade down right or let's say you trade

00:26down

00:26from four to

00:29Seven with Vegas because maybe they want to come up to get a quarterback

00:33This is Vegas seven is the Jets. All right set your six is Vegas

00:36So I I just think it's we're back to the bill you trade it down

00:40I take the best player and that if that best player is gonna be Travis Hunter take him

00:46I agree with Wiggy like I not in the the bill part, but the fact that if you're telling me the draft sucks

00:52So why are we getting a less likely chance at a good player at?

00:5617

00:59If the draft stinks right right that defies logic

01:03What if you're getting the same player you want at four at six or seven?

01:07Isn't that a good move to then move down? Like if I think you're being a little too cute

01:11What do you gain from that going back to ethics? I know what pics do you get?

01:15Yeah, maybe you pick a second or third at minimum like you're gonna get a second round pick for going back to spots

01:20Yeah, especially if they're coming up for a quarterback Curtis. Absolutely. Wait, wait

01:25So so you're saying the draft sucks. There's nobody that's that great

01:29Yeah, but they want to move up for a quarterback and go up with a second round pick

01:33Yeah, if you can get a second round pick going back to spots Bob's your own

01:37I'm telling you like that. That's what you might be able to write but chime

01:40Here's the problem just like you said that player being available when you look at the quarterback position

01:46after Cam Ward and after

01:49Shadour Sanders and some people don't even have Shadour whether it's the kid Jackson dot at Ole Miss

01:55Like you can still be at 7 and get the quarterback or 8 or 9 to get the quarterback you want

02:01But not necessarily right like look at the Jets in particular if the guy really wants Shadour Sanders. He's available at 4

02:07He's not making it past the Raiders at 6

02:09So you're gonna trade up to get him, right?

02:12If you can fleece the Jets take a second round pick and still take Will Campbell at 7 who you were gonna take it

02:17But you would have you off but you would have to say this you would have to say that Shadour Sanders

02:21Isn't the second quarterback to go?

02:24No, I would say Shadour is the second. I'm saying it's available for Wiggy, but but he won't be available at 4

02:32Because if he's the second best quarterback in the draft, he's gone either. That's not necessarily the Cleveland Cleveland's at number two

02:40Quarterback the Giants are at number three. They would take a quarterback

02:43So if Shadour is the second best quarterback in the in the draft then let's say the Titans at number one take Abdul Kata

02:51But what if the Browns don't take a quarterback?

02:53What if they trade Myles Garrett and decide you know what I would rather take Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter like

02:58But you're saying the Titans are gonna take Abdul Carter at number one

03:02Yeah, and then what if the Browns take the other guy between Hunter and the Giants then the Giants would take Shadour

03:08No, they take Cam Ward and that's what I'm saying

03:09What if Shadour makes it to four then you have the opportunity to trade down and still get the guy you want at?

03:16I want to bet right now that both quarterbacks will be gone before the fourth pick because if

03:23always

03:24Happens throw in the surgery potential for Abdul Carter, right?

03:28Like I'm sorry Shyam

03:29I you are far more informed on this when it comes to the combine and the cheese wheel and all that that you enjoy I

03:36Just every single year around this time

03:39there is

03:40speculation about who's gonna go where and then out of the blue Blake Bortles goes three because see the

03:45Only quarterback to go in the top five, right?

03:47But Shyam, here's the problem all three teams that hold one two, and three all need quarterbacks

03:53They all need quarterbacks. And so you're sitting there. You're Titans at number one

03:58you need a quarterback your Cleveland and number two, you need a quarterback and you're the

04:03Giants at number three. You need a quarterback. So all three of those teams need a quarterback and if you're the New England Patriots

04:12It's you're

04:13You're either gonna get Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter

04:17So stay at four because I don't want to run the risk of you dropping down

04:22to number seven and then maybe one of these teams take

04:28Take a Travis Hunter if I have a Twiggy if the Giants get Matthew Stafford tomorrow like then they don't need a quarterback

04:35Yeah, if they situation again becomes very viable like I there's there are multiple ways

04:39This can go with free agent and I would trade up like there's an opportunity here that the New England Patriots may find themselves in

04:46A spot where there is going to be a quarterback. Do you do you think do you think?

04:50Let's say Travis Hunter is gonna be available at seven

04:54Travis Hunter of it at seven probably not

04:57All right

04:57So if you're why would I don't want will Campbell if I if I have to I'm saying if the Patriots won't will Campbell

05:03Yeah, but if the Patriots is smart you take the best

05:07Available player and the best of it. I'm not taking Travis Hunter though

05:11Like if you're gonna if you're gonna talk about it like that, like I wouldn't take Travis Hunter at four

05:15I would know but but that's how it works. If you were holding a football instead of a baseball

05:19I would listen to your take more

05:23Also, I'm not sure I I like Mike Rabel out there just willy-nilly

05:28Acting like he has final say at this. That's Elliot. Whoops sheep in wolf's clothing

05:34He's the one who he's the one who has final say on everything how much do you think Rabel wants to kick that kind of

05:39That's a lot. But but you see how me and Shimon on on the same page what what to do, right?

05:45well, you're right, so so imagine what it must be like if you're Vrabel and

05:52Elliot Wolfe is not saying I have final say

05:55Just because he doesn't it just because he wants to put that out there. No, and he doesn't believe it when we talk to

06:03Craig Breslow and Craig says hey, I got final say he did say I have final

06:09He's not saying that knowing that he doesn't like Elliot Wolfe if he's saying he gets final say

06:16What's the perp? He doesn't have fun. But why say it though? Because he's just trying to save well

06:21I mean Greg had a good reference. It wasn't very topical. But the Alexander Haig reference is applicable

06:26There's a vacuum so I'm gonna run out to the microphone and he can't admit to the world that he doesn't because I bet wigs

06:34Maybe his contract hasn't been a change. So like in a formal matter

06:39He may indeed have a legal right to that proclamation. But the reality is is that Vrabel is

06:47The guy that is running the football operation and he is the one who has the most power. This is Nate Nate. Good morning

06:57Oh

07:00We'll say goodbye to Nate chase Jason morning

07:04Hey guys, thanks for taking my call. Of course

07:09So hearing the reports about Patriots being interested in the trenches so to speak in free agency

07:17I'm wondering with you, especially what you think about the idea of if they are able to

07:23Acquire more draft picks and trading back

07:28so they could use some of that draft capital to maybe trade for a Cooper Cup or a Debo Samuel and

07:35Then maybe trading back a few spots to get someone like a Tyler Warren

07:39I think he could be a really dynamic player in the NFL. So just wondering what you guys think about that idea

07:46Tight and I like him. I like Tyler Warren. I like him a lot

07:51If you if you're gonna say if the Patriots are telling me we're only trading back a couple spots

07:57I actually like the Tyler Warren thing, too

08:00I actually like that I would take Tyler Warren before I would take one of them offensive linemen

08:05I like that good job call

08:06But if the Patriots are telling me

08:09We're only gonna trade back to like six to like six seven or eight

08:13Knowing that there's still a chance that they could get that Tyler Warren who's from Penn State

08:18I don't know if you've seen him the Penn State tight end and

08:20Then say alright if we can pick up an extra

08:23second round pick or maybe a third round pick to use that to get a Cooper Cup type of player or

08:31Debo Samuel, I don't know whoever that that guy that they're gonna trade for and then we're gonna have Cooper Cup Tyler Warren

08:39You're gonna be so disappointed

08:43Every year we do the same thing

08:48Because we don't know who's doing it right get ready for all the fat guys to step off the truck this year

08:54Well, obviously if they get a great line, that's great

08:57I just I'm so it's but the lineman the lineman in this year's draft

09:01Like I I like to go out and get the free agent offensive lineman. I'm all for that one

09:05Yeah, I just I'm concerned because I don't know who's calling the shots

09:10Everybody wants to save Rabel and I and I hope it is, right?

09:14Is Elliot Wolfe, he seems like a smart guy, so he's that hell-bent on going

09:20Yeah

09:21I got the final say my hourly reminder that this debate would not have to happen if

09:27Gerard Mayo had knocked on out and won that football game just a quick reminder on that

09:32Yeah

09:32But I do think there would be a debate about trading out of that first pick if there if there was cheese juice for the

09:37Quarterback, let me get but you get it then you get the guy what he wants then guaranteed

09:44Whatsoever yeah, I would also say just on the Mayo thing and I don't want to revisit the entire conversation, but the NFL PA poll

09:51Like unless those things change

09:55commitment to winning all that

09:57we've seen

09:59Rabel could be Newt Rockne

10:01Like it doesn't matter like the organization

10:05Has to shift and I saw the dip Devon gotcha, you know trade because so brables defense may be different whatever

10:12That's a ton of cap savings on top of the cap savings like if they trade Devon gotcha

10:17They're gonna have like 200 million in cap space like I just I hear Wiggy it every year whether it's with Ken on Saturday

10:24Or Wiggy here. I hear these very

10:27well thought out or shine like a good plan of how to attack the needs of the team and who to pursue in free agency and

10:35Every year since Mac Jones was drafted they have done nothing

10:40Well trade wise is is

10:42Rabel gonna be interested in Harold Landry now that they said he can go out and look for somewhere else. Do you see guy?

10:48Yeah, I mean I could see that I Greg the problem is you keep saying

10:54I don't know if Rabel has final say does he does I I mean we say that but we don't

11:01So why is Elliot will still here? I don't still employed still in a position of power

11:07Yeah, if only we had a chance to talk to the coach of the Patriots sometime soon

11:11Oh, we will. Oh, yes on this show and in just a couple of weeks

11:17Very exciting. Yeah. All right. We are at JetBlue Park and

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