🔵 ¿POR QUÉ EL FISCAL EDUARDO TAIANO INVESTIGA A JAVIER MILEI?
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00:00Prosecutor Eduardo Tayano is going to investigate President Javier Milei.
00:04Prosecutor Tayano opened the case for the cryptocurrency,
00:08the scandal that has as the main protagonist President Milei,
00:13and indeed he has arguments to investigate it.
00:16At least that's what he considers.
00:18The information brings it, Lucia Salinas.
00:20Lucia.
00:20Indeed, Nacho.
00:21From today, President Javier Milei is investigated
00:25for alleged corruption.
00:28The list of investigators does not leave him alone.
00:31Why does Tayano consider to open a case
00:35in which he involves the president for alleged corruption?
00:38This is key, Lucia.
00:40Exactly.
00:41After receiving the file from Judge Maria Servini,
00:45Prosecutor Eduardo Tayano considered that the facts denounced
00:49throughout last weekend,
00:51which put under the magnifying glass mainly President Javier Milei,
00:55must be investigated, Nacho.
00:57Now, this does not imply that the prosecutor has a priori
01:01a suspicion that he is corrupt.
01:03It is simply that he receives the complaint,
01:05evaluates the arguments of the complaint,
01:08what happened, the facts,
01:09and decides to make a first indictment.
01:12This does not mark the president yet
01:14in an instance of absolute guilt in any way.
01:18This is usually done.
01:19At the very least, Nacho,
01:20because what the prosecutor is determining are facts.
01:23It does not even attribute punctually crimes
01:27to each of the investigators.
01:29What it says is that everything denounced in the complaints,
01:32worth the redundancy,
01:34are facts that deserve, in the first instance,
01:37to open an investigation for investigation of crime.
01:41Ah, perfect.
01:41This is important.
01:42Look at the list of investigators.
01:45Let's see, here I see President Milei
01:47and then I see some familiar faces.
01:49This is the Colorado, Hayden Mark Davis,
01:52this is the Colorado that appeared in the videos
01:54saying first that they had committed,
01:58he is the creator of the crypto,
01:59but first they said he was committed,
02:01then a chat appeared that said,
02:03I have it controlled, President Milei,
02:05then he said it has nothing to do with it.
02:07Well, this is this boy who says he has 100 million dollars.
02:10Exactly, he is one of the investigators
02:12because what the prosecutor wants with this investigation
02:16is to determine links between all these people.
02:20And if those links were the ones that led
02:24to the possible commission of a criminal maneuver.
02:26This is Hayden Davis, we already know him,
02:28he is the creator of Libra.
02:30This is Julian P.
02:31Who is Julian P?
02:32Julian P is also one of the people
02:34linked to this framework of societies
02:37that promoted this cryptocurrency known as Libra.
02:41We must remember, Nacho,
02:42that today it is specifically one week
02:45since this scandal broke out.
02:47Good, good.
02:48Let's see, let's continue.
02:49We have other faces.
02:51Yes.
02:51We advance, we have as a guest on the floor here
02:54Dayana Fernández Molero,
02:56national deputy of the PRO,
02:57one of the deputies with the highest profile
03:01of the PRO bloc
03:02and who has been following the economic issue for many years.
03:05She was an official of the government of Mauricio Macri.
03:08So maybe we will be able to advance
03:10also from the economic point of view,
03:12not of the cause,
03:14but of how this can impact Argentina or not.
03:16Yes, it can impact it.
03:17There are some who say that nothing,
03:19others who say that yes, indeed.
03:21So we are going to be talking to Dayana.
03:23Well, these are,
03:24these two we have talked about.
03:26We have talked about these two characters
03:29throughout the week on this show, Nacho.
03:30This is the boy who had chosen the lawyer of Lazaro Aves.
03:34It could be Mauricio Novelli.
03:35Exactly.
03:35Well, now yes,
03:37Well, thank goodness a lawyer was looked for.
03:38the lawyer will have to start working.
03:41Of course, of course.
03:41Mauricio Novelli and Manuel Terrones Godoy
03:44are the creators of Tech Forum.
03:48Do you remember that company that, in turn,
03:50organized that event in October of last year
03:53that had Javier Milley as the main speaker?
03:57Well, these two are also under investigation
04:00and here you have Sergio Daniel Morales.
04:04What the prosecutor says is that he acted
04:07as an advisor to the director of the National Commission of Values.
04:11Why is this important?
04:12Let's see.
04:13Because the prosecutor...
04:14It is unknown to the world that...
04:16Because what the prosecutor wants to determine is
04:19if there was an influence trafficking.
04:21That is, if there was official information
04:24with which some of those involved were privileged.
04:28We passed it clean.
04:30That is, the prosecutor says,
04:32let's investigate Jaiden Davis, Julian P.
04:34Let's investigate, of course,
04:35Mauricio Novelli and Manuel Terrones,
04:37which would be the local connection.
04:39And he says, let's investigate if this boy, Sergio Morales,
04:42who works for Javier Milley's government,
04:45had classified information that he could use
04:49both Javier Milley and the environment of Milley
04:52to get to some kind of business,
04:54if you want, I don't know, spurious, I don't know.
04:56Yes, exactly.
04:57What the judge wants to investigate.
04:59Here you have the names that appear
05:01in the indictment of Prosecutor Eduardo Tallano,
05:03an indictment to which we also give exclusively.
05:07But I want to show you two people
05:10who do not appear in the indictment,
05:12who were not named.
05:13Yes, yes, yes, let's go.
05:14Look at the following.
05:16Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, stop, stop.
05:19This is, I think, the most important political novelty
05:22for the government.
05:23Because we are all left with,
05:25are they investigating Milley?
05:26Does this affect the government?
05:28Well, for me, this, this decision of the prosecutor
05:31is received by the Casa Rosada.
05:33I was doing some, some inquiries
05:36to people who are in the committee there in the United States
05:38and they say that this was celebrated especially,
05:41that it did not bother so much
05:42that they were investigating Milley,
05:44they saw it as a novelty,
05:46but that it left out Carina Milley and Santiago Caputo,
05:50the iron triangle,
05:51the rusty triangle of the president.
05:55Or the material you like the most at this time.
05:57Exactly, exactly.
05:58Well, this is the great novelty of the afternoon.
06:00This, I insist, is the political novelty.
06:03The government succeeded,
06:04or at least, I don't know if it intervened,
06:06I don't know what it did,
06:07but the government breathes relieved
06:09that Carina Milley and Santiago Caputo are not in the investigation.
06:12They are not even mentioned,
06:14they are not part of the impeached people,
06:17which does not mean that throughout the investigation,
06:20at some point, their names will not appear.
06:23But in the first dictamen,
06:24where it was determined who to investigate
06:27and what facts to investigate,
06:29Carina Milley, Santiago Caputo are not there.
06:32And I'm going to explain about Carina Milley.
06:34When this scandal is uncovered on Friday,
06:37which begins to transcend the tweet,
06:38many began to say,
06:40the responsible is Carina Milley.
06:42Everyone pointed to her.
06:43Why?
06:44Well, it was not entirely clear.
06:45They said, well, Noveli was taken by Carina,
06:47that later they told me it is not like that.
06:49But of course, the fear that the Casa Rosada had
06:52is that from this,
06:54from that information,
06:56they said, well,
06:56for the doubts we put Carina Milley.
06:58In this way, at least for now,
07:00you say, Lucia, that it can change that.
07:01For now.
07:02It could, I don't know.
07:03Well, it could change,
07:04if there are evidence elements
07:07that are enough to involve them.
07:09But in this first stage of the investigation,
07:11Carina Milley, Santiago Caputo,
07:14are out of this file.
07:16Among all, for the government,
07:17after the week it had,
07:18it is positive news.
07:20Well, look at the next thing.
07:22Because that will explain to us
07:24what the prosecutor is trying to clarify.
07:27Very important, the information of Lucia Salinas,
07:29always in exclusive, brings you something.
07:31Every afternoon since the program started,
07:33brings exclusive information,
07:35details that you did not hear elsewhere.
07:37Well, the investigated crimes.
07:39Let's see, Lu, let's go with this.
07:40Look, we have,
07:41abuse of authority,
07:44fraud,
07:45influence trafficking,
07:46co-done.
07:47Something, okay.
07:48He didn't miss anything.
07:49The prosecutor didn't miss anything.
07:50If you think, Nacho,
07:51I want to read you three texts
07:54of this document,
07:55signed by prosecutor Eduardo Taiano.
07:57Wait, to know who makes the decision,
07:58tell me, Taiano,
07:59in what relevant cause,
08:01that public opinion heard many times,
08:03did Taiano intervene?
08:04Well, for example,
08:06prosecutor Eduardo Taiano is the responsible,
08:08was the responsible,
08:10to investigate Diego Lagomarsino
08:12and the ex-custodians of the former prosecutor,
08:16This is Taiano.
08:16Alberto Nisman.
08:17Well, so that people know who we are talking about.
08:19Eduardo Taiano was the first
08:21who wrote in a will,
08:23that Alberto Nisman had not committed suicide.
08:26I remember, of course,
08:27when they wanted to close the case to the Kisneristas.
08:30Very good, Lucia.
08:31Let's go back to the facts that are being investigated.
08:34What they wanted to tell you about these facts, Nacho,
08:37is something that is in the letter
08:38of prosecutor Eduardo Taiano.
08:40Yes.
08:40Specifically, it says,
08:42the circumstances of time,
08:45way and place
08:47that surrounded the creation of this cryptocurrency
08:50called Libra,
08:51in which all the people participated,
08:53that we already showed you,
08:55and what the prosecutor wants to know
08:56is if any of all these crimes were committed.
08:59Ok.
09:00The prosecutor is not saying now.
09:02No, the prosecutor says...
09:03Are all these crimes already committed?
09:05These could be, a priori,
09:06the crimes that could have been committed.
09:09We are going to investigate if any of these
09:11is included in the evidence that the prosecutor is going to ask for.
09:15Exactly.
09:16He has already started to promote a series of measures.
09:19Do we have the evidence?
09:21Here we have them.
09:22Let's see.
09:22And I'm going to share them with you.
09:24Let's see.
09:24What is being asked is...
09:25This is very important.
09:26Listen carefully.
09:27That is, Taiano says,
09:29we are going to investigate these crimes,
09:30but now what Lucia Salinas is going to tell you
09:32is much more important.
09:34What kind of evidence?
09:35What are they going to do?
09:36Are they going to flood what?
09:37Are they going to flood the Casa Rosada?
09:38They are going to ask for the intervention of the specialized unit
09:42in cyber crimes.
09:43This is one of the first measures
09:45that the prosecutor Eduardo Taiano adopts
09:49to be able to clarify
09:51each and every one of these facts.
09:53And let's see.
09:54What does he ask for?
09:55What does Taiano ask for on time?
09:56What he is going to start asking for
09:58is that information of meetings,
10:00of audience,
10:01links between all the people
10:03who are under investigation.
10:05The prosecution is going to go backwards.
10:06We have to go backwards.
10:07Yes.
10:08Let's see.
10:08You met with Noveli.
10:09Exactly.
10:10Why?
10:11And with Terrones Godoy.
10:12When?
10:13How?
10:13Why?
10:14What did you do?
10:14What did you negotiate?
10:15What not?
10:15Did your sister meet?
10:16Did Caputo meet?
10:17Did Guillermo Franco meet?
10:19Well, the prosecution is going to go there.
10:21Exactly.
10:22Because in the reconstruction of those meetings,
10:24of those meetings,
10:25which are in official documents,
10:28what the prosecutor Eduardo Taiano wants to determine
10:30is if there was any agreement
10:33that can be considered spurious,
10:36that is finally framed in any of these crimes.
10:40But here, once again,
10:41Let's see.
10:42I want to mention to you
10:43what is not on the list of crimes.
10:45Let's see.
10:46What is not there?
10:46The Illicit Association is not there.
10:48Do you realize why she knows about lawsuits and I don't?
10:51Because she looks at what she didn't ask for
10:53and I'm like a little kid saying,
10:54did she ask for this?
10:55Well, no.
10:56Let's see.
10:56What didn't she ask for?
10:57The Illicit Association is not there.
10:59Let's see.
11:00It was one of the main crimes of the Kirchnerist sector
11:03attributed to Javier Milei.
11:05It's true.
11:05Lucia doesn't ask to investigate him as a gang leader.
11:09No.
11:09Unlike Cristina.
11:11Cristina asks to be judged before the court
11:15as a gang leader.
11:16Not here.
11:17As neither is the crime of
11:19negotiations incompatible with public service,
11:22which was another of the reiterated figures,
11:25as neither the participation in a scam
11:28nor the improper use or promotion
11:32of negotiable titles, for example.
11:34Ah!
11:35Stop, stop.
11:36Improper promotion of negotiable titles.
11:40Of course.
11:40A sector of Kirchnerism would say,
11:42you, Milei,
11:43sold this because you bet on the stake
11:46and you told your friends
11:47to bet that they were going to win.
11:49Well, for that crime, no.
11:51In principle, no.
11:52I want to clarify something.
11:54All this is in an extremely early stage.
11:57What the prosecutor investigates are facts,
12:00not crimes.
12:01As the investigation progresses,
12:04based on these facts,
12:05criminal liabilities are seen.
12:08But this is a first frame
12:10that orders the investigation.
12:12That is why it is also important to emphasize
12:15that the initial suspicions of the prosecutor
12:18are left out, the illicit association.
12:19Well, wait.
12:19Because the one who is looking at us,
12:21whether he likes it or not, Milei, says,
12:22well, something the same happened with Cristina.
12:25Something the same, not in terms of the crime,
12:26not in terms of the facts,
12:27but the investigation of justice.
12:29Justice always arrives late.
12:31How long are we talking about
12:33to investigate, to advance?
12:35What is the position of the prosecutor?
12:37What is Taiano thinking, Lucia?
12:39Well, in principle, what I want to tell you
12:41is that yesterday there was a key meeting
12:43in Comodoro Pi, in the afternoon,
12:46between Judge Maria Servini
12:48and Prosecutor Eduardo Taiano.
12:50The judges have a...
12:52Here is the Santiago Caputo look.
12:53Let's see.
12:54Look, here is Taiano's pose in this photo.
12:58Pass it, pass it.
12:59That photo is in the Comodoro Pi case.
13:01No, here he looks like a faculty professor.
13:03Dayana laughs, look.
13:05Dayana laughs with what we are saying.
13:07Sorry, Dayana.
13:08She is a serious person.
13:09She is a very serious deputy, very capable.
13:12And I come with this.
13:13Look, here.
13:14This is the look.
13:15Here I put Caputo's face and it is Caputo.
13:18Literally.
13:19I don't know.
13:20Well.
13:20I don't know if the prosecutor will like this comparison a lot.
13:23Or Caputo.
13:24Of course.
13:25The other way around.
13:26It was, it was, it was...
13:27Look.
13:28Within the serious, you have to take it sometimes.
13:30I was talking about...
13:31This is Servini.
13:32Judge Servini.
13:33Yesterday they met in the afternoon.
13:34What I wanted to tell you is the following.
13:36The judge has the power to be the one who investigates.
13:41Yes.
13:41Then she says to the prosecutor, give me your opinion.
13:43Here is a criminal offense to prosecute
13:45and that I continue to investigate.
13:47Or she has the power to delegate the investigation
13:51and tell the prosecutor, I have already ratified all the complaints,
13:55I send you the file and you now relate the facts
13:59and I started to investigate if you agree.
14:01Let's see.
14:02How do Servini and Tayano get along?
14:05Is it a tense relationship like there is between some prosecutors and some judges
14:08of Comodoro Pi?
14:09Or is it a healthy relationship?
14:11I will tell you that...
14:12Because it is important to know.
14:13Because maybe one asks for evidence and the judge says no.
14:16Or the other way around.
14:18I will tell you that, in general,
14:20Prosecutor Tayano does not maintain a tense relationship
14:23with any of the judges with whom he has had to work.
14:26Even when they have a diametrically different opinion.
14:31Because when the prosecutor says,
14:32here there is nothing to investigate and you have to overlook
14:35or you have to dictate a lack of merit,
14:37the judge has no choice but to sign that name of the prosecution.
14:41But he is not a problematic prosecutor.
14:43He is not a problematic prosecutor and he is a prosecutor,
14:46in turn, I will tell you, very jealous of the investigation.
14:49Very hermetic with the investigation processes
14:53and especially when there are evidence-based measures.
14:57Well, I will remind you that Prosecutor Tayano
15:00was the first to investigate Néstor and Cristina Kirchner
15:03for illicit enrichment
15:05and it was to whom they kidnapped their son
15:07in the middle of that investigation.
15:09This is important, beyond the humor, Lucía,
15:12because when one thinks about how justice acts
15:14with political power,
15:16we always complain that they do not investigate in real time,
15:19that is, while they are in power.
15:21Then, when they leave power,
15:22generally many grow up and begin to investigate,
15:25they remember to investigate,
15:26they remember test measures.
15:28When they are in power, no.
15:29That is why Tayano, who at the time was encouraged, Lucía,
15:32as you said, to Néstor and Cristina,
15:34well, at least, a priori,
15:36suggests that he can do a relatively serious investigation
15:39for what is Argentine justice.
15:40And I give you another precedent.
15:42Prosecutor Eduardo Tayano
15:44was the one who asked for an oral trial
15:47of Cristina Kirchner
15:48in the cause that we all know as Future Dollar,
15:51which later the court said
15:52that there was no reason to do an oral trial there.
15:55But this is a bit so that you also understand
15:57the profile of the prosecutor
15:59who, from today, begins to investigate
16:01President Javier Milei.
16:03It is the first cause that Javier Milei has in Comodoro Pi.
16:06Well, before going over again,
16:10because there are many things that remained for me to consult you,
16:12a first opinion, Diana Fernández Molero,
16:15deputy of the PRO,
16:16of all this that we are talking about.
16:18Do you think it is good to investigate,
16:20to advance an investigation
16:21to determine responsibilities?
16:24Of course, logically, it is good that there is an investigation,
16:27in addition to these data that Luciana is providing,
16:29that it is a serious prosecutor,
16:32it also provides tranquility,
16:35to avoid, above all,
16:36that a media question is made later,
16:38that, as you said,
16:39try, some,
16:41that this affects the economic part,
16:43because if it affects the economic part,
16:45we are the Argentines,
16:47it is not the president.
16:48So, it is good that responsibilities are investigated
16:50and that they are done in the places where they have to be done,
16:53which is justice.
16:54Very clear.
16:55We continue, we will continue reviewing.
16:57Beni, because there are many issues to review,
17:01especially the part of the indictments.
17:03Look, well, these are, of course, Javier Milei,
17:05I don't think he's so smiling,
17:07regardless of this decision,
17:10but well, El Colorado,
17:12Hayden Mark Davis,
17:13the creator of Libra,
17:14the creator of Libra,
17:15the creator of Libra,
17:16and Julián Pé.
17:17Julián Pé, who is there with glasses,
17:20can he become responsible for the maneuver
17:24or does everything point to Hayden Mark Davis so far?
17:26Well, in principle, as a first measure,
17:29what the prosecutor Eduardo Tayano wants to see is
17:32what each of these people you have
17:35in this frame of responsibility.
17:37What did he do?
17:38Who did he meet with?
17:39What communications did they maintain?
17:42And what direct or indirect link do they have
17:44with what he created,
17:45the cryptocurrency Libra?
17:47Because all this investigation begins
17:50by alleged fraudulent maneuvers
17:52around that cryptocurrency.
17:55Now, this boy is a mystery.
17:56Sorry, this boy is a mystery.
17:57Mauricio Novelli is a mystery.
17:59That is to say,
18:00since all this scandal transcended,
18:02he was silent,
18:03he surrounded himself with advisers,
18:05he hired Lázaro Báez's lawyer.
18:07I don't know if we have the photo of Lázaro Báez's lawyer.
18:10Of Daniel Rubinovich.
18:11Of Daniel Rubinovich.
18:12Mauricio Novelli, this boy,
18:14this little boy who made the link
18:16between Milley and Hayden Mark Davis,
18:18apparently, that's what some people say,
18:20I don't know, but that's what some people say.
18:22This boy went ahead before Tayano
18:25opened the investigation today
18:26and said, I hire a lawyer.
18:28What lawyer did he hire?
18:30Lázaro Báez's lawyer.
18:32Daniel Rubinovich's lawyer.
18:33In La Ruta del Dinero K.
18:35Because we had already said,
18:36Daniel Rubinovich has a particular...
18:38Each one defends himself with whom they want.
18:40Of course.
18:41Look.
18:42No, this is Casanelo.
18:43This is Judge Casanelo.
18:44No, no.
18:45This is Casanelo, yes, this is Lázaro.
18:46This is Lázaro Báez, effectively.
18:48Poor Casanelo.
18:49Well, but Judge Casanelo
18:50is the one who carried out
18:51all the instructions of La Ruta del Dinero K.
18:53Who is this?
18:54And what I want to remind you, Nacho,
18:58is that Mauricio Novelli,
19:01even before Javier Milei
19:03gave instructions to his criminal lawyer,
19:06he already appointed a lawyer.
19:08He already met with the lawyer.
19:09He had already anticipated
19:12this scenario that we have today.
19:14The opening of a criminal investigation
19:17that he has among the main suspects.
19:19I don't know.
19:20I thought it was a bit hasty
19:22when he hired such an expensive lawyer.
19:24It looks like he has plenty of money
19:26because it's so expensive
19:27when they're not even investigating you.
19:29But I'm going to give you another piece of information.
19:31Not only...
19:32I don't know if it's expensive, sorry.
19:33Maybe the lawyer is very cheap.
19:34I have nothing against him.
19:35I doubt that criminal lawyers
19:37who know the corridors of Comodoro Pi very well
19:39are cheap lawyers.
19:41Ah, well, well.
19:42That's an important piece of information.
19:43But that's no less important
19:45because anyone who knows
19:47that Comodoro Pi is going to start investigating him
19:49looks for lawyers who know those courts very well.
19:54Let's review.
19:55Why does the prosecutor say,
19:56open an investigation?
19:57Well, he gets to the complaint,
19:59evaluates the circumstances
20:01and identifies some crimes to investigate.
20:04Is that so?
20:05Do we have the other board?
20:07Because the crimes mark...
20:09The ones that are not there
20:10are the ones that we have to pay attention to.
20:12This is abuse of authority.
20:13This...
20:14There are 200,000 complaints
20:15that the opposition has made against any government.
20:17Fraud, fraud, no.
20:19Influence trafficking and co-doing.
20:21And co-doing.
20:22But which one was not there that you told me?
20:23It's not there.
20:25Ah.
20:28Good.
20:48Clare.
20:55Change them.
20:56Or change them.
20:57Or say, not this one,
20:58and go to association and visit.
20:59It can be this one, but not this one.
21:01Well, but a priori,
21:02it's good news for Casa Rosada.
21:04And another good news,
21:05I don't know if we have the two faces.
21:07Those who are not named.
21:09These two, let's see.
21:10In justice, Nacho,
21:11I'm going to tell you,
21:12you have to learn to read
21:14what is written
21:15and what is not written too.
21:17And it is not written
21:18the name of Karina Milei
21:20and of Santiago Caputo.
21:21Let's see, of Santiago Caputo,
21:22I think no one mentioned it a priori,
21:24except for the interruption he made
21:26in an interview
21:27in which the president
21:28wanted to give a very strange explanation.
21:31But in the case of Karina Milei,
21:33that was mentioned,
21:34that was mentioned.
21:35Yes, because David,
21:37what they had attributed to David
21:39at the beginning of this week,
21:41a series of WhatsApp messages
21:43where he said
21:44that he handled Javier Milei as he wanted,
21:47that he paid bribes to his sister,
21:49Karina Milei,
21:50and that that allowed him,
21:52he reiterated the word,
21:54to handle the president.
21:55To control him.
21:56To control the president.
21:57But the next day,
21:59he himself,
22:00through a spokesman,
22:02went out to deny
22:03that those messages were from him
22:05and reiterated
22:06that he had never referred
22:07in those terms to Milei.
22:09Now, it will surely be a matter of justice.
22:12It seems very correct to me
22:13that justice investigates,
22:15because, well,
22:16yesterday politics
22:17tried to investigate
22:18the president of the nation.
22:19It seemed to me,
22:20it seems good to me,
22:21if they want to investigate
22:22and all the politicians
22:23agree, perfect.
22:24Now,
22:25who should really investigate
22:27a public official
22:28is justice, right?
22:29No, no,
22:30let's not lose focus,
22:31please.
22:32It is justice
22:33that has to say,
22:34does Milei have responsibility?
22:35Yes or no.
22:36Not politicians
22:37who obviously try
22:38to bring water
22:39to their mill,
22:40of course.
22:41Also,
22:42what must be understood
22:43is that there is an institutional leg
22:44that corresponds,
22:45for example,
22:46to the Anti-Corruption Office,
22:47which is to say,
22:48well,
22:49there was or was not
22:50a violation of the public law,
22:51but the only one
22:52that attributes
22:53criminal responsibilities
22:54is justice.