"‘Shahbaz Sharif Must Have Consulted the Establishment Before Offering Parliamentary Committee,"

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00:00Mr. Zubair, the problem is that, are these discussions to be conducted by politicians?

00:05Mr. Prime Minister is offering to hold discussions,

00:09we will make a committee, they will take care of it,

00:11there will be discussions.

00:12Mr. Prime Minister has offered it himself.

00:14Do you think it is serious, it should be considered,

00:19a chance should be given to political dialogue between political parties?

00:23Mr. Shiba does not have any power and he does not even want to use it.

00:28He will not even be in favour of discussing and trying to take power from the establishment.

00:36He is fine with it and he was always fine with it.

00:39I have always said that he just happens to be the brother of Nawaz Sharif,

00:43but otherwise, there is nothing common between him and Nawaz Sharif.

00:47And this is the reason why Mr. Shiba was the favourite of the establishment.

00:50But Mr. Zubair, I think we should not do this either,

00:54I think it should be done,

00:56it should be abandoned that there is a difference between the two.

00:58The current system is going on with the approval of Mr. Nawaz Sharif.

01:02The good cop, bad cop, Mr. Nawaz Sharif is a democracy, Mr. Shiba is not,

01:06I think this belief has also broken now.

01:08Both are the same.

01:10No, no, I am not talking about that.

01:12Maria, I was not talking about that, good cop, bad cop.

01:15Genuinely, my understanding, my insight, the meetings I have with them,

01:19Mr. Shiba has always said this,

01:23publicly, I was in the meetings where 40-40 people were sitting,

01:27and not once, but 10 times,

01:29that if Mr. Nawaz Sharif had listened to them,

01:32he would not have been in favour of the confrontation.

01:34He was against the Muzammil-e-Bihaniya.

01:36He fought tooth and nail

01:38that Mariam Nawaz should step back and Muzammil-e-Bihaniya should not happen.

01:42So that is a different thinking.

01:44But anyways, if there is a difference or not, that is a separate discussion.

01:49They will not take any step without the will of the establishment.

01:52If they have given this offer,

01:54which they have given to the Parliamentary Committee,

01:56this will also be given by the will of the establishment,

01:58without the will of the establishment.

02:00There is another difficulty in this,

02:0226th November and 9th May,

02:04both have the role of the establishment in some way or the other.

02:07In 9th May, of course,

02:09there was an attack on the institutions of the establishment,

02:11there was a fire,

02:13everything was destroyed.

02:15So, of course, the establishment's blessing

02:17is very important,

02:19that we make a Judicial Commission.

02:21And in 26th November,

02:23there were law enforcement agencies.

02:25Right, the Parliamentary Committee,

02:27which was announced by Mr. Fawad,

02:29do you think this is a serious attempt

02:31or is there a possibility

02:33that the matter can move forward?

02:35Or is it okay,

02:37that before leaving,

02:39they have also made a formality

02:41that we have made an effort.

02:43Look, we should have a discussion.

02:45We are not terrorists.

02:47We are politicians.

02:49We don't want to pick up a gun

02:51and climb the mountains.

02:53We want to have a discussion.

02:55The problem is that

02:57Mr. Shahbaz Sharif does not have

02:59the space for a discussion.

03:01Mr. Rana Sinawala is a very serious person

03:03and I always have a relationship with him

03:05and I have a lot of respect for him.

03:07But when he talks,

03:09when he talks again and again,

03:11I was telling him that

03:13first of all, Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,

03:15Mr. Iyad Sadiq,

03:17Mr. Dar, and Mr. Rana

03:19should talk to the establishment

03:21and ask them what their space is.

03:23If you are not able to arrange

03:25a meeting with Imran Khan

03:27for the Parliamentary Committee,

03:29then Imran Khan has to decide.

03:31What will all these people

03:33come to you for a discussion?

03:35If you are not able to arrange

03:37a meeting with them,

03:39then what will the discussion be?

03:41The establishment has not given

03:43any space to the government

03:45to have a discussion.

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