Deepdale groans discussed (Preston North End Weekly podcast)

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00:00Yeah, this has been like a really good five days and yet, I think that's been like 90% of the talk afterwards.

00:08The whole booing and stuff. So, I mean, that's the kind of impact it has.

00:12We should be talking about what, you know, Rhys has won his game at Middlesbrough,

00:15Hasmait's won his at Watford with six points from two tough games.

00:19It just puts a little bit of a stain on it, which is a real shame.

00:22And I'm glad the manager called it ridiculous afterwards.

00:25He won't, he won't like shy away from that stuff.

00:29I think it's also important to not just slag it off, but say,

00:34kind of come up with a solution or alternative.

00:36And someone made a good point to me afterwards that it doesn't,

00:39they don't think people actually take context of the game into mind.

00:44They've just got these opinions and views that they come to the game with.

00:49It doesn't even matter what's going on.

00:50So Hasmait just comes off, he'll get booed.

00:53But he'd run his course yesterday, run his race yesterday, he was shattered.

00:58There was space in behind Borough's defence.

01:01It was genuinely made for Rhys to come on.

01:03So I think people need to just understand it a little bit more,

01:07try and, you know, ultimately a manager's making that decision.

01:12He's won promotion, so he's a professional football manager of a championship team.

01:16So instead of like just booing, maybe think, hold on, let me try and understand that.

01:20Why is he, why might he be doing that?

01:22And it's not a hard one to try and understand really, is it?

01:26No, it's not. It's bottom.

01:30Just really disappointing really for me because, I mean, we won at Watford,

01:35great win, you get on Twitter and all the talk really is about Rhys

01:39and like how Rhys was useless when he came on.

01:41Odd, yesterday, great win against Middlesbrough, great game, great occasion.

01:45But again, it's marred by that booing for me.

01:51The fan base has become really negative.

01:54It wasn't that when we were growing up.

01:56It's become, it's not a nice place to be going on North End now, I don't think.

02:02It's toxic.

02:03There is, yeah, there's a lot of negativity.

02:06Yeah, and to me, obviously the birth of Twitter and all that

02:10will not have helped any of that because people read that nonsense on Twitter quite often.

02:16It's always the same accounts that are so negative.

02:19They've never liked a manager we've ever had seemingly.

02:24And like that just transcends onto the terraces, 100%, I think anyway.

02:30And there's people who have preconceived ideas of how a player's played

02:35before the ball's kicked as well, 100%.

02:38Like Woodman was that, Rhys at the moment is that, Brady's been that,

02:41Ledsen's been that, a whole host of players have been that.

02:47Yeah, so it winds me up no end.

02:51Ultimately, we're not going to change it.

02:52The fan base has really changed.

02:54And then using that excuse about, well, we pay our money and we can do what we want.

02:58Well, that's fine, but I mean, it's a pathetic excuse.

03:03It's basically, to me, it's admitting you're wrong,

03:06but because I've paid 20-odd quid to go on the contest, I can do what I want.

03:10Which, some people need to grow up.

03:14Grown adults.

03:16Yeah, I think you mentioned a few episodes ago there's general apathy

03:19for the behind-the-scenes, off-the-pitch stuff.

03:22No real belief that we can kind of push for better things.

03:26I think it's good to call that stuff out and try and strive for better in that regard.

03:30But when that's affecting you on a match day, that's a really dangerous place to be.

03:35You've got to try and separate the two.

03:37For those 90 minutes, you've got to get behind the team.

03:40And they're playing well at the minute and doing well.

03:43Go back to 1-1 at home to Middlesbrough.

03:46There shouldn't be a boo in the stadium.

03:48It's just insane.

03:50Realistically, the whole ground ought to be immersed in that game against Borough.

03:55It's one apiece. You're in the game.

03:57It's a really enjoyable contest.

04:00To even think about booing, to me, is just unfathomable.

04:05But I know we're on the same wavelength.

04:07If we had someone on here who'd booed, he might be able to explain why he booed.

04:15It's just that Osmah obsession, isn't it?

04:18He's the man kind of thing.

04:21I think he's good. I think he's a really dangerous striker in certain games.

04:25I think he worked really hard yesterday.

04:27He got back and won the ball back a few times.

04:29He flipped the ball for Todd Arsene.

04:32I think he's pretty knackered.

04:34He'd had a chance to run through and score at 1-0.

04:37Overdone his touch and then Borough go and equalise.

04:39Imagine if Reet had done that.

04:41There'd probably been boos then.

04:44Like you said, you've got a decent strike force there.

04:47Why would the thing not be to get behind each and every one of them?

04:51And every player, really.

04:53Like you said, there's always got to be a target.

04:55I think it's been going back a few years.

04:57There's been countless of them.

04:59It's just not nice.

05:01They're probably in there thinking,

05:02am I going to be next, kind of thing.

05:04It was Keane recently.

05:07These are decent players, really.

05:10They'll have dipping form.

05:11If they'd been playing 9 out of 10 every week in Champ,

05:13they wouldn't be here.

05:15You've got to accept that they won't be brilliant every game,

05:18but they're here for a reason and they need support.

05:22You made a great point there about, yes,

05:25you need that sort of critique of the ownership

05:30or the running of the club 100%,

05:32and that's a good thing.

05:33It's healthy.

05:35But for the 90 minutes, your role as a fan, ultimately,

05:38is to try to cheer the lads on, get behind them.

05:41And the booing is just completely the opposite of that.

05:47If you're walking off deep now yesterday,

05:51you just beat Middlesbrough,

05:52but in the back of your mind, you know you've booed a sub.

05:55I'm not sure how you can sort of live with yourself, really.

06:00I know it's a little bit over the top,

06:02but you'd be so embarrassed, wouldn't you?

06:07It used to be like, if you heard a boo in a ground,

06:10you'd be almost stunned, kind of thing.

06:12It'd be if you're 5-0 down,

06:14or players genuinely aren't running,

06:16and they're 3-0 down, or they've been awful.

06:19It'd be a really kind of exceptional thing.

06:22Now we're doing it 1-1 at home to Team Fifth.

06:24I mean, come on.

06:26If that's the state of football now,

06:28it's in a bad place, isn't it, really?

06:30But anyway.

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