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HN_ZOOM_INTERVIEW_WITH_PANKAJ_MISHRA_GALLERY_VIEW_10-33-24
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in the West or in places like Australia.
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And the biggest critics of Israel,
00:08
the most prominent critics of Israel,
00:11
are on the other side of the color line.
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And I think race itself has emerged
00:18
as a very crucial marker of identity.
00:23
It's certainly been claimed by any number of people
00:26
in the West today
00:28
as a badge of identity.
00:32
And I think the defense of Israel
00:35
is seen as a defense of white Western civilization.
00:39
So, you know, this question never really goes away.
00:43
It can seem out of sight,
00:47
it can go out of sight for some time,
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but it reappears.
00:52
And so what Du Bois called
00:56
the central problem of the 20th century
01:00
has reemerged as a central problem of the 21st century.
01:06
Right.
01:09
You also talk about how Israel is sort of a window
01:13
to a future of a bankrupt and exhausted world.
01:17
It's quite scary when I try to visualize such a future,
01:21
especially for our children.
01:25
As someone who has been to Israel,
01:29
who writes about it,
01:31
who writes about complex historical and political issues,
01:35
do you think there is any hope in this bankrupt world?
01:39
Can we ever witness an equilibrium of world morality as you write?
01:45
Well, I think, you know,
01:47
I wouldn't want to offer any kind of false hope or consolation.
01:53
But I do find hope,
01:56
at least, you know, in small quantities,
02:00
in amongst young people
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who are shocked and outraged
02:08
by what, not only by what the Israelis are doing,
02:12
but the way they're being supported by their own governments
02:16
in Europe and America.
02:19
I think many of these young people
02:22
who haven't received any kind of great education,
02:27
historical education of any kind,
02:30
they're simply scandalized and horrified
02:33
by the killing of children.
02:36
And they ask themselves,
02:38
why should children be killed in this way?
02:41
Why should thousands of children be destroyed in this way?
02:47
And I don't think there are any satisfactory answers to that question.
02:51
No matter how much history you invoke,
02:53
no matter how much you talk about the Holocaust,
02:55
there is simply no way to justify
02:58
the killing of tens of thousands of children.
03:02
And I feel that those simple questions
03:05
that the young people are asking today
03:08
offer some kind of a way out of this, you know,
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poisonous mess that we found ourselves in,
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where people are flouting every,
03:22
every basic rule and norm of ordinary morality
03:30
to justify extreme violence.
03:33
I think a simple reaction to that,
03:37
that young people are manifesting today,
03:39
holds more hope for me
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than all the great major institutions
03:46
and legacy periodicals of the world today.
03:54
To conclude this, I have a question for you.
03:58
As an Indian writer, someone who is from India,
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how do you see India's role in politics,
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particularly in relation to the West
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and other non-Western powers?
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And, you know...
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...that have claimed that position.
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It's smaller countries like Brazil or Malaysia
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or Indonesia or, you know, South Africa
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that have been far more prominent
04:42
on this issue in particular.
04:44
Even China has been far more prominent.
04:48
So India has missed an opportunity
04:51
to reclaim some of the prestige,
04:56
the moral prestige it once enjoyed across the world.
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