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institution today, every major institution today is under attack if that institution
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is not sufficiently supportive of the state of Israel.
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So you know, these are the questions I want to answer, which perplex a lot of people.
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Right.
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Right.
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Absolutely.
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I also, you know, read in your book that Israel's, you know, Western allies or its supporters,
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they have turned out to be among its worst enemies.
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I understand right now Israel has massive support, even though it has been continuing
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on with this, with these war crimes for the last nearly two years now, it still has friends
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there.
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But when you talk about that, those friends have turned out to be its worst enemies, you
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know, if I use the words that you use, ushering their war deeper into hallucination.
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Do you think Israel is really isolated or it would be isolated and it would find itself
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vulnerable?
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Israel is a deeply, is in a deeply vulnerable position.
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I mean, just because, you know, you can set off major explosions in Lebanon, you can flatten
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large parts of Gaza, you can, you know, destroy ports in Yemen, you can destroy the Syrian
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Navy.
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That doesn't mean that you're, you know, safe and guaranteed a stable future as a nation
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state.
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Quite the contrary.
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You are in a way exposing yourself to weakness and continued warfare over an extremely long
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period and no nation state, no modern nation state can survive a period of continuous warfare.
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What is going to happen to the economy?
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Have we looked at the state of the Israeli economy?
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The fact that some of the most talented people in Israel are either leaving or have left
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or have plans to leave the country and to move to places where it's, you know, much
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easier to set up a business, much easier to, you know, do whatever they're doing in Israel
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at this point.
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It's a very basic fact, you know, of human history that a small country, no matter how
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well it fights its battles, cannot continuously antagonize its neighbors, cannot continuously
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violate the laws of, you know, war, continuously wage war, essentially, you know, you don't
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actually have the money to do it.
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And I think, you know, questions are already being raised in the United States, including
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by, you know, the people who are now about to assume power in the United States.
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Why are we giving billions of dollars to a small country far away from us, which doesn't
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serve our interests?
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Just yesterday, Donald Trump tweeted a video of someone saying Netanyahu has been leading
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America into unnecessary wars in the Middle East.
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Now, why is he doing that?
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Why is Trump tweeting a video like that?
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Because that thinking is growing amongst large numbers of Americans who are beginning to
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ask questions, not just about American money going to Ukraine, but also to Israel and saying,
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where is the money to invest in health care in the United States?
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Where is the money to, you know, achieve better fire prevention or disaster prevention efforts
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in California and elsewhere?
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So when people say, we don't have the money to do this, we don't have the money to do
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that, people are asking, you know, how come you have the money to send to Israel?
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So I do think in the long term, or even in the short term, the support Israel enjoys
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is going to be severely compromised.
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So I think that's what I mean, that the existence that any nation state is entitled to, and
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Israel is entitled to live in peace and stability like every other nation state, but I think
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it has deliberately turned its back on that prospect and has decided to live by the sword.
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And we know that, you know, you really cannot live by the sword anymore.
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Not that it was ever possible, but it's even less possible in an intricately interdependent
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world where trade and, you know, flows of goods and capital are so important.
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Right.
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We understand, you know, at the same time Israel is getting a lot of support, but now
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people across the world are also voicing their opinion against it.
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