Bilawal Ki Qazi Faez Isa Ki Tareef... Aaeni Tarmeem Par Aik Bar Phir Se Sawal Uth Gaya ?

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00:00Hafiz sahab, first of all, let's come to the constitutional amendment.

00:03A while ago, Fawad Chaudhary sahab said that the constitutional amendment has become useless,

00:07it is of no use, it is a face-saving. Do you agree with this or not?

00:10Look, Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim, Anika, thank you very much.

00:12Fundamentally, there were six things to which we had to go.

00:16One was that the justice system of Pakistan is dysfunctional,

00:20ordinary people are not heard, their cases are not filed,

00:24it is a matter of 10 to 15 years, it is a civil matter for 10 to 24 years,

00:29they should be expedited and the Supreme Court of Pakistan,

00:32which has engaged itself in constitutional matters,

00:35or the high courts have engaged in 199, should be removed from it.

00:39The second thing was that your jurisdiction, the constitutional jurisdiction,

00:44the Supreme Court of Pakistan has exceeded it, the High Court and the Supreme Court,

00:50and the visa-verse situations of the Parliament should be improved

00:54so that both the institutions work within their parameters.

00:58The third thing was that the judicial appointments should be improved,

01:02whether it is the Supreme Court, the High Court or the Chief Justices,

01:06and finally, the accountability of the judges should be discussed.

01:09Now, these last four things suit these political parties,

01:13whether it is the PTI, the People's Party, or the PMLN,

01:17these mainstream parties want the supremacy of the Parliament to remain,

01:23and the Supreme Court of Pakistan should not interfere in all our affairs,

01:27and this is their consistent stance for the last 15 to 20 years.

01:30But the PTI's stance is a little different.

01:32No, it is not different.

01:33When was the JUI?

01:34No, no, if you look at the stance of the former Prime Minister Imran Khan,

01:37the criticism of these courts was also on the Supreme Court.

01:40If you look at Nawaz Sharif,

01:42When you are in the government, your narrative is different.

01:46When you are out of the government, your narrative is different.

01:49Now, in this, the status of the common man of Pakistan has remained the same,

01:54but the way it is going, it will create a lot of confusion.

01:58Why so?

01:59That is because, who will make the bench, who will make it?

02:02If the Judicial Commission makes it, then the first thing that will go into the challenge,

02:06that the ministers of the government are sitting,

02:08that is, the Attorney General, who has made the composition of the Judicial Commission,

02:13I am sorry, I am cutting you short.

02:15This confusion is also present in the Constitutional Court.

02:18It is not there.

02:19Why not?

02:20That is why it is not there.

02:21There was this confusion in it, that how two CJPs work together.

02:23No, no, no, it is not there.

02:24Look, this work is going on in 70 countries in the world,

02:26where the Constitutional matters are less,

02:28they also have their own jurisdiction.

02:30Look, Anika, the Constitution has treated the Supreme Court or the High Court of Pakistan

02:34as an appellate jurisdiction,

02:37but it has given powers in two articles.

02:40It has given 1199 to the Supreme Court and 1843 to the Supreme Court.

02:44It has given Article 185 and 186.

02:47If the Parliament of Pakistan, I tell you,

02:50if they knew in 1973 that so much overburdened Constitutional matters will go to the High Court,

02:56to the Supreme Court,

02:58then they would have made the Constitutional Court from day one,

03:00that, brother, the man of Pakistan, who has been affected by the system,

03:04should be improved.

03:05I will get back to you.

03:06I will come back to you.

03:07Mr. Khosla, in your opinion,

03:09the Constitutional amendment that is coming forward now,

03:11do you think it is acceptable,

03:13considering that Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf is ready to go to jail and talk to Mr. Ibrahim Khan on this.

03:18This means that somewhere,

03:20some acceptability of this Constitutional amendment is visible in PTI.

03:25Look, this will be against the stance of PTI

03:29if through these assemblies,

03:31through any Constitutional amendment,

03:33leave alone a common legislation,

03:35leave alone a day-to-day legislation,

03:37if they accept such a big amendment in an assembly,

03:42then this will be against their legal stance strategically.

03:46As far as the amendment itself is concerned,

03:49Mr. Hafiz was talking about delay,

03:51and I was also listening to Mr. Bilawal's speech.

03:54The delay in this Constitutional amendment is not addressed at all.

03:56Mr. Khosla, I will come to you.

03:57Mr. Shahbaz Khosla, have you heard the conversation

04:00between you and Mr. Kamran Murtaza?

04:02Do you think that the matter will go towards a larger consensus

04:05and will be successfully passed?

04:08Do you think that this test will be passed?

04:13I don't think so at all,

04:16because the way I have heard Mr. Bilawal's speech in Ujlat,

04:20I have found it more threatening,

04:22by hook or by crook.

04:23And beyond this,

04:25I feel that on 25th,

04:27Mr. Khosla is afraid that if he can't pass it by 25th,

04:30then there will be a big problem with him.

04:33That's why he is ready to do horse trading.

04:37And if you look at its implications,

04:39it means that the fundamental change that is coming by 25th

04:43is only the watch of Qazi Faiz Issa,

04:46which will end on 25th.

04:48So by his statement in the end,

04:50he has not only implicated Qazi Faiz Issa

04:53in whatever has been going on,

04:56or whatever will be unearthed later,

04:58but he is also putting serious questions

05:01on the passage of this bill,

05:03in whatever shape or form.

05:05So you are saying that if Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf

05:08goes and meets Mr. Khan,

05:09it won't make a difference,

05:10because it has become questionable.

05:12So let's put it aside.

05:13Yes.

05:14You heard Mr. Kamran Murtaza's speech yesterday

05:17on the floor of the house.

05:18He was saying that he is also feeling like crying,

05:20and if I resign too.

05:22So you know the situation.

05:23You said in your intro

05:25that they are offering 3 billion rupees.

05:27This is the stance of PTI.

05:30This is the stance of PTI.

05:32I was putting forward their stance.

05:34But Khosla, I will come back to you,

05:35because there is another very important issue.

05:38It is related to the special sessions, Mr. Hafiz.

05:40At this time, the Supreme Court has said

05:43that we have given clarifications twice.

05:45After this, no clarification should be asked from us.

05:47It just happened that no more clarification is needed.

05:50Now, does the ECP have any other wiggle room?

05:54Is there any way they can gain time from this?

05:58Is there any way to delay this?

06:00Or now they have to follow the Supreme Court's decision.

06:03Realistically, I will come back to you

06:05just a minute earlier.

06:07When this whole process was going on,

06:09then it was said that the personalities should be put aside.

06:12And among the personalities,

06:14the first thing was that

06:15Chief Justice Faiz Esa should not be extended here,

06:19nor should he come under the Constitutional Court.

06:21And on the other side,

06:23it was also said that

06:24you should not take the name of any judge

06:26that he will be the Chief Justice of Pakistan.

06:28Let the amendment and let the Parliament decide.

06:30Next topic.

06:31Now, he has come.

06:32And because you are stuck in the personalities,

06:34we will not move forward because of that.

06:36Now, the second thing is that

06:38which you have said,

06:40that the decision of the reserve seats

06:42is a plain language of Article 51,

06:45that the political party in Pakistan

06:47which will fight the election on the election symbol,

06:50will be joined by independent parties.

06:52And whoever has won the seat,

06:53will get the reserve seats.

06:54This is a simple and plain language of Article 51.

06:57And this matter started from the Election Commission on 22nd February.

07:00Till now, 12 judgments or orders have come on it.

07:03And the review has not come yet.

07:05In 76 years, there is no such case in Pakistan

07:08in which so many things have come repeatedly.

07:11Sometimes a short order is coming,

07:12sometimes clarifications are coming.

07:14And this last clarification that has come,

07:16that is straight away hit to the Constitution.

07:18What is it today?

07:19That is because till today,

07:21whatever you have talked about the virus,

07:23be it the High Court or the Supreme Court,

07:25it has never happened that

07:27you have done it without a petition,

07:29or you have taken a sue-a-moto,

07:30or after that you have noticed the Federation,

07:32or you have noticed the Attorney General.

07:34In every case, it goes under Section 27A.

07:37You have bypassed all the processes.

07:39But the Supreme Court knows about the processes.

07:41We should know about the processes.

07:43Very quickly, I have 5 minutes.

07:44If it was known,

07:45then the judgment of 12 July would not have come,

07:47but this case would have been remanded.

07:49And the Election Commission would have been told

07:51to listen to it freshly and make a decision.

07:53And then the litigation that has come to us,

07:55we will decide on that.

07:56So when all these things are beyond the Constitution,

07:58or should have come under the Constitution,

08:00under Article 175-2.

08:02So what is the way out now?

08:04Just tell me quickly within one sentence

08:06that what is the way out now

08:08from the ECP, from this situation.

08:10Now it is bound, because contempt will be imposed.

08:12The law has not been striked down.

08:14The Supreme Court has still said

08:16that its retrospectivity cannot be applied.

08:18When the law has not been striked down,

08:20when the law is in the field,

08:22the Parliament is standing behind it,

08:24then the Election Commission is a sandwich.

08:26And while clarifying the Supreme Court of Pakistan,

08:28the Constitution, the law, the rules,

08:30they should be looked at.

08:32Got your point. Yes, Mr. Khosla.

08:34I think that Mr. Hafiz is our friend,

08:36but he is claiming his knowledge

08:38more than 8 members of the Supreme Court.

08:40And I am looking at the Constitution again and again.

08:42I am not able to see this in the article.

08:44I am not able to see this in the article.

08:46I am not able to see this in the article.

08:48The Supreme Court has explained

08:50the article 51 perfectly.

08:52After all, people went together and voted.

08:54They voted on a mindset.

08:56He has to get the reserve seat.

08:58Or some party has to get it.

09:00Those who are in the election,

09:02their German seats are not that much.

09:04They will get it because you made

09:06others independent.

09:08Here, the Election Commission has played

09:10a very controversial role.

09:12The Supreme Court has given

09:14clarification on the election commission.

09:16The Supreme Court has given clarification

09:18on the election commission.

09:20And this is the duty of the Supreme Court

09:22under Article 189 and 190

09:24on all the courts

09:26and all the government institutions

09:28that the Supreme Court's

09:30order should be presented

09:32as it is.

09:34Time is over.

09:36What about the Acts of Parliament?

09:38Time is over.

09:40See you in another show.

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