"Govt Nay Constitutional Amendment kay liye kisi Bhi High Court kay President ko confidence Main Nahi Liya.."Shehbaz Khosa Revelations

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#nationalassembly #pti #pmlngovt #constitutionalamendment  #supremecourt #maulanafazalurrehman #PTI #fazalurrehman    "Govt Nay Constitutional Amendment kay liye kisi Bhi High Court kay President ko confidence Main Nahi Liya.."Shehbaz Khosa Revelations

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00:00When you remove justice from the hands of justice, and make a supreme court a government institution,

00:10in which today's government will get justice of its own accord, then people will come to the streets.

00:16Lawyers will come to the streets.

00:18But even if this happens, all these lawyers will be on the streets.

00:22We are a free, self-governing army.

00:25We have not come here to enslave anyone.

00:27We are not living in palaces or apartments.

00:31We wake up in the morning and go to the courts for the poor.

00:34We go to the courts to get justice for the people who have been driven out of the state.

00:38If they don't want justice, if they want to be beaten up in front of the state,

00:43then people will get relief only on the streets.

00:46Mr. Shahbaz has joined us.

00:48Mr. Shahbaz, one thing is that before you move on to these amendments,

00:53I wanted to ask you a fundamental question.

00:57Right now, Maulana Fazlur Rehman is the focus of everyone's attention.

01:00There is a process going on.

01:02Politicians who can vote are being focused on.

01:05Numbers are being tried to be completed because they are stakeholders.

01:08But the legal fraternity is also a big stakeholder.

01:12Is the legal fraternity on board in all these matters?

01:16Is this process going on?

01:18Look, I myself am the secretary of the Supreme Court Bar Association.

01:21I have spoken to everyone from Karachi to Peshawar.

01:26No president of the Peshawar High Court Bar,

01:30no president of the Sindh High Court Bar in Karachi,

01:32no president of the Lahore High Court Bar,

01:33no president of the Islamabad High Court Bar,

01:35no one has been included in this loop.

01:38I am sure no one has been included in the other bars as well.

01:41Right now, their own legislators have not been included in the loop.

01:45Like you are reporting from the morning.

01:47Does the legal fraternity mean that you gather MNAs like sheep and goats

01:53and take them to the assembly and the government will go there and do as it pleases?

01:57Sir, you have said a very big thing.

01:59No one is included in the loop.

02:00No one knows.

02:01No one knows.

02:02No one knows.

02:03And the second thing is that what kind of trouble has come?

02:07Six judges have written to you that they are doing executive interference.

02:11They are making videos of them.

02:12They are entering the room.

02:13Did you legislate at that time?

02:15Did you give them protection?

02:17The people of Pakistan are shouting and saying that our electricity bills are not being afforded.

02:22There is one thing related to this.

02:23Mr. Shahbaz, I am sorry for the blunder.

02:25There is one thing related to this.

02:27Mr. Munir A. Malik says that

02:29he has been quoted that from 26th October,

02:32he will imagine Justice Mansoor Ali Shah as the Chief Justice of Pakistan.

02:37And the legal fraternity is ready to struggle for this.

02:40What is your opinion on this?

02:42Look, when this bill will be taken, then we will...

02:45By the way, I don't understand why they want to take this bill and do a controversial work.

02:51They don't have a complete number.

02:53The judgment of Article 63A is present,

02:57in which Mr. Bandyal and Mr. Munir made a very big decision on 63A,

03:03on which the election of Hamza Shahbaz as Chief Minister of Punjab,

03:08which you must have seen,

03:10the members of PTI were taken to the assemblies,

03:14and Hamza Shahbaz was made the Chief Minister by getting votes from them.

03:18When this challenge happened,

03:20the Supreme Court decided that not only this is a defection,

03:23but his vote will also not be counted.

03:25This is the law of this country.

03:27When you don't have a complete vote,

03:29how can you collect it like sheep and goats?

03:32Let's assume, Mr. Shahbaz,

03:34that if the numbers are completed in any way,

03:38after that...

03:39Sir, you cannot assume in any way.

03:41Sir, I am talking about the law.

03:43I am asking you the next question.

03:44Mr. Shahbaz, let me ask the question.

03:46Can this matter be taken to the Supreme Court for a strike down or a decision?

03:50The Supreme Court and Pakistan will still have the right to interpret.

03:54Yes, there is no doubt about it.

03:56There is no doubt about it.

03:58Yes.

04:11Yes.

04:29Yes.

04:37Sir, a while ago,

04:38Mr. Ali Zafar was with us and Mr. Asad was also with us.

04:41Basically, this kind of question was put in front of them.

04:44If at one time,

04:45these cases are being separated,

04:47where the legal cases are seen through a new court and a retired judge,

04:51and the cases of public interest are being separated,

04:54the burden of, let's say, the goodwill of the government is being reduced.

04:57So, don't you think that this matter should also start from the lower judiciary?

05:02Only the appellate tribunals will not be able to solve this matter in any way.

05:07Look, as you said in your program earlier,

05:10that this matter started from a report

05:13where the matter of 80% pendency was highlighted in the lower judiciary.

05:18So, this is certainly true,

05:20that reform should come in the lower judiciary and it should start from there.

05:24But tell me,

05:25that you are a journalist.

05:26In your case,

05:28can any outsider legislate without asking you?

05:32Will he have any idea what the problem is for a journalist?

05:35Will he have any idea how to solve the issues of a journalist?

05:40True.

05:41My first question to you was based on this.

05:44Were the stakeholders trusted?

05:47Which means the legal fraternity?

05:49Absolutely.

05:50It was taken across Pakistan.

05:52I have spoken to everyone on the phone.

05:54No one knows.

05:55If anyone knows, then they should tell.

05:58No one knows.

05:59No vague draft has been given.

06:01And this will be the first time

06:03where even the government members do not know what a vague draft is.

06:07Mr. Maulana is also asking for a draft through you.

06:12So, what kind of legal fraternity is this?

06:15And can such legislation be acceptable?

06:18Mr. Shahbaz, one more thing.

06:19This is a very thought-about process.

06:21Mr. Ashtar Wasaw was also saying this.

06:23This is a process.

06:24A legal process.

06:25And especially when there are such matters,

06:28there is a lot of deliberation and need to think about it.

06:32If the government agrees to this,

06:36or you are saying that there are no numbers,

06:38you mentioned 2007.

06:40We are all aware of that movement.

06:42We saw it with our own eyes.

06:44So, like Munir-e-Malik was giving India,

06:47should we be ready for any movement?

06:50Look, when you remove justice from the hands of justice,

06:54and make a Supreme Court a government institution,

07:00in which today's government will get justice of its own accord,

07:04then people will come to the streets.

07:06Lawyers will come to the streets.

07:08This is a bloodbath on the freedom of justice.

07:12And the judges are giving very open decisions.

07:15But they should, I am very surprised,

07:18that this government,

07:19either they see their government fading away,

07:21and they have made a last ditch effort

07:24to either destroy everything,

07:26and make their own government,

07:28or everything should end and we should also end.

07:31This seems to be a movement like this,

07:33because they don't have numbers.

07:34Even if they forcefully vote,

07:37they will be stolen votes from some other party.

07:40Mr. Shahbaz, there is one more thing.

07:42In the principle,

07:43if we only talk about the Constitutional Court,

07:45if we only talk about the Constitutional Court,

07:48do you think there is any flaw in it?

07:50In the sense that,

07:51let me ask the question, sir.

07:53One thing is that,

07:54there are many Supreme Court judges,

07:59and in thousands of cases,

08:00there are free judges.

08:01If we talk about the Constitutional Court,

08:04because if a case goes to the court,

08:06then a full court is made,

08:08a larger bench is made,

08:10then the deliberation starts on it.

08:12If a Constitutional Court is made,

08:14with the consultation of all the people,

08:16then will it work in parallel with the Supreme Court?

08:18What will be the procedure for it to work?

08:20Will it suit the existing judicial system of Pakistan?

08:24Look, there are many issues of the judiciary of Pakistan,

08:28just like there are issues of every institution.

08:30These issues cannot be solved on a phone call.

08:35On this, we will have to take all kinds of experts

08:37from every court and make them sit.

08:39And we will have to focus on this.

08:41How do we solve this problem in the cases?

08:46If this problem,

08:48the way this government is trying to do it

08:51by force and illegally,

08:55if they solve a good problem like this,

09:00that will also come under dispute.

09:02And no one will be able to do anything about it.

09:05Therefore, there are such institutions,

09:08even if they are good,

09:09they should be done properly,

09:11according to the law.

09:13There is a way of legislation itself.

09:15This is a regular process.

09:17There is also a way of common legislation,

09:19that it has a process.

09:20In that, if you have a month, two months, three months,

09:22then you just have to go through that process.

09:25And the power of dispensing that process

09:27is definitely with the Speaker.

09:29But that power is wrong.

09:31And if it is used in this way,

09:33then it will be wrong.

09:34And it will always remain questionable.

09:36It is not right to take a decision

09:38on someone else's back.

09:39First of all, this did not happen.

09:41But even if this happened,

09:42all these lawyers would be on the streets.

09:44We are a free, independent army.

09:47We have not come here to enslave anyone.

09:49Nor have we built palaces here,

09:51living outside and in apartments.

09:53We get up in the morning and go to the courts

09:55for poor people.

09:57And we go to the courts to get justice

09:59for people who are angry with the state.

10:01If they don't want justice,

10:02if they want to be beaten up in front of the state,

10:05then people will get relief only on the streets.

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