Parliment Ka Mushtarqa Ijlaas Talab. Kya Hukoomat Cheif Justice Se Mutaliq Nai Aeni Tarmeem La Rahi?

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00:00In the beginning of the program, Senator Dr. Musadeq Malik is with us and the rest of the

00:05ministers are in the Petroleum Department.

00:07In a short while, Mr. Naeem Haider Panjota will join us.

00:10He should have joined us, but anyway, he is a little late in coming.

00:14So, Dr. sir, let's start with you.

00:16Whoever comes early, whoever comes on time, will be able to say more about themselves.

00:19Whoever does not come, it is obvious.

00:21It is their statement, it is their own will.

00:23Are you bringing anything like this?

00:25Do you have any desire, any intention, any paperwork, any homework?

00:29In my opinion, there is a need.

00:31That is, the two laws that are before you at the moment.

00:36The reason for that is that the kind of decisions that are coming before you,

00:40in them, two different contradicting decisions are coming before you, one after the other.

00:47Half of the people say that this meant this.

00:50Half say no, this meant this.

00:52In the middle, it says that both can happen, but let's take this one.

00:55Okay.

00:56So, in this order, it has become very clear that whatever language has been written,

01:01which is written in good faith, its good faith interpretation is perhaps not manifesting in the decisions.

01:10Because those decisions, then the target of criticism is that the judges of the Supreme Court are criticizing them.

01:15What do they look like wearing a jubba, they are not politicians.

01:18After 40 years, they had to correct their judgments.

01:21Yes, some had to be corrected.

01:23And the arguments that are happening with each other are also in front of you.

01:27I mean, it's not ordinary in the court that there are arguments on the decisions,

01:31or criticism, or whatever is being written.

01:34What do you call them?

01:35Contradictory notes.

01:37So, the language used in it, someone is saying that this is unconstitutional, someone is saying something.

01:41So, I think that this big thing has become clear now.

01:45That in both the law and the constitution, the place where clarification is required,

01:50that clarification should come.

01:52Because our political future,

01:55in the doldrums,

01:57because someone is interpreting it in one way,

02:01and the other is interpreting it in another way.

02:03It cannot work like this.

02:04There was a paper written in good faith, which kept running.

02:07But a gentleman told me in America,

02:09that do you know what is the genius of the law?

02:13I said, no sir, what is it?

02:15So, he said, provision for change.

02:17That as time goes by,

02:19as you are not able to interpret,

02:22you have a tool to bring a strong change in it.

02:30And this is also happening in the law.

02:32Now, from our side, in our group as well as in other groups,

02:36we have talked about judicial overreach many times.

02:39The decision of Punjab, the floor crossing one,

02:42we also took a big hit on it.

02:44And many legal experts have also done it.

02:47So, what is proven from all these things?

02:50That we will have to change some things and clarify them.

02:54Okay, as you want to change.

02:56There are two or three points in it.

02:58One is that,

02:59by terminating the seniority principle in relation to the appointment of the Chief Justice,

03:03one of the four or five senior judges should be picked.

03:06This is also there, isn't it?

03:07This thing has not come to me yet.

03:10By the way, there are many countries where this seniority principle is not there.

03:14The principle is the best judge.

03:16Whoever is there.

03:17Because, in a way, like in our army,

03:20all the top people are the best.

03:23But, in a way, because there is a lot of political tension in Pakistan all the time,

03:28there is always a delay.

03:30So, a method has been decided that the one who is the oldest should be appointed.

03:37I don't know.

03:38There is no such suggestion in front of me.

03:40But it should be.

03:41Look, I don't know.

03:42Honestly.

03:43But I know this.

03:44There must have been a discussion.

03:45A school of thought must have said that this should happen.

03:47A school of thought must have said that this should not happen.

03:49Look, both.

03:50One says that, like we say in civil service,

03:53that everyone reaches to a certain level of incompetence.

04:03So, this should not happen.

04:05And if you do this, then this problem will be solved.

04:08No, it will not be solved.

04:09This is why I am hesitating a little.

04:12I want to introduce the complexity in it.

04:15Look, in the world, it happens that you have never said that

04:19the oldest person should be appointed as the CEO.

04:22It doesn't even happen that the oldest person should be appointed as the Prime Minister.

04:26It doesn't even happen that the oldest journalist should be appointed as the anchor.

04:31So, when this is not the case anywhere in the world,

04:34and people do application of mind with seriousness,

04:37and the best person is given a chance.

04:41And you have seen that the average age of CEOs,

04:43I am not saying literal average,

04:46but if you look at their picture,

04:48they look like 40-45 years old.

04:50And now after the new generation,

04:52you see small CEOs,

04:55and you say that these are the ages of our children.

04:57How did they become so successful?

04:59Now, the age should be put on success.

05:02Until you become an old man,

05:04we will not let you succeed.

05:06This is an interesting point.

05:07You have made a complexity in your words,

05:09for the lack of a better word.

05:10Because on one hand, your suggestion is that

05:12the term of employment should be increased,

05:14and it should be increased for everyone.

05:15This is the suggestion.

05:16This means that the already existing people,

05:18because they are indispensable,

05:20so to make them available,

05:22we give them 3 years.

05:25But on the other hand, you are saying that young people should also be there.

05:27I have told you again that

05:28these two things that you have said,

05:30I did not understand.

05:31You did not understand, but let's go.

05:32I have heard it on your TV programs.

05:34I watch it every evening.

05:35What do I see and hear?

05:36I go there and talk about it.

05:38But I think that

05:40all day long,

05:41sometimes I am in the Prime Minister's office,

05:43sometimes I am in my ministry,

05:45so there is no discussion.

05:48Mr. Tariq is not telling you,

05:49he does not tell you in the cabinet,

05:51because Mr. Tariq does not talk about it,

05:53he does not talk about it in the cabinet.

05:54No, I have told you countless times.

05:55It is going up and down.

05:57No, it is not like that.

05:58One thing is that it is irresponsible.

06:01That I am standing with you and giving an opinion,

06:04your opinion,

06:05it should be considered as an opinion of the PMLN.

06:08Oh, the headline is going on now.

06:10The doctor has said that

06:11the judge of the youngest age should be appointed.

06:13I want to know what are the conversations

06:15in the PMLN, doctor.

06:16That is what it is.

06:17That is what it is.

06:18I have told you its gist.

06:20The gist is that

06:21the way the laws are written,

06:25and the way the constitution was written,

06:28both are in good faith.

06:30Their interpretation of good faith

06:32is not happening in the courts,

06:33it is not happening inside the courts.

06:34It is very difficult to say

06:36that they are cooperating with each other.

06:38But look at the kind of criticism they are doing.

06:41Sometimes it is verbal,

06:42and sometimes it is written.

06:44So, it seems that

06:45some things are not working,

06:48in which in the form of these decisions,

06:50there is a clear difference.

06:53The public opinion,

06:55which is in the parliament,

06:57keeping that in mind,

06:58a new order should be created in it.

07:01What is the problem in that?

07:03On the one hand,

07:04I have told you that

07:05there is so much polarization in our country

07:07that the good faith appointment

07:09becomes controversial.

07:11On the other hand,

07:12I have told you that

07:13the best person,

07:14not man,

07:15the best person

07:16should get the opportunity.

07:19Thirdly,

07:20I am telling you that

07:21in the constitution,

07:22an order,

07:23an interpretation

07:24needs to be created.

07:25As soon as you touch a piece of paper,

07:27at the same time,

07:29there is a solution to it.

07:31There should be a little moderation,

07:33a little depolarization,

07:34the political tension should be reduced.

07:36How will it happen, sir?

07:37This is the responsibility of the government.

07:38If you stop pushing them,

07:40stop their gatherings,

07:41then…

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