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"Siyasi Jamaton kay Baghair koi Tajveez Agay nahi Jasakti ye Baat PTI ko Jitni Jaldi Samaj Ajaye..." Fawad Chaudhry's Analysis
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"Siyasi Jamaton kay Baghair koi Tajveez Agay nahi Jasakti ye Baat PTI ko Jitni Jaldi Samaj Ajaye..." Fawad Chaudhry's Analysis
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If I understand your statement correctly, if I recall correctly what you said half a day ago
00:05
that the national government should be led by a person like Mastad-e-Wizaarat-e-Uzma
00:09
who is favoured by Zardari, Khan and Nawaz Sharif
00:14
then in today's date, Nawaz Sharif will not be happy with this, Zardari will not be happy with this
00:18
but if on a scale of 1 to 10, his approval will be 5
00:23
then Khan's approval will be zero
00:25
In today's date, Imran Khan will be the one to oppose this proposal the most
00:30
Am I not right?
00:32
No, Imran Khan, the thing is that there are only two ways
00:37
either like in Bangladesh, you will take to the streets
00:42
and then what will happen?
00:44
There will be violence, there will be a scene
00:46
who will win till the end of your hair?
00:49
We don't know, those are unseen consequences
00:52
Nobody knows what will happen there
00:54
My personal fear is that
00:56
in this case, the extremist groups and people who have created a scene here in D-Chowk
01:01
you can then target Pakistan there
01:04
and that will be a big problem for Pakistan
01:08
so we have to avoid that
01:10
Your proposal is actually for the chairman of PTI
01:12
that sir, please step back a little
01:14
towards the political parties
01:16
sit with them and together nominate the national government so that the country can move forward
01:20
Am I right?
01:21
Without the inclusion of the political parties
01:25
no proposal can move forward
01:27
Only the establishment cannot solve the problems
01:30
and it is better if the PTI understands this as soon as possible
01:34
and it is better if the establishment understands this as soon as possible
01:37
that you have to bring the PTI into this equation
01:40
These two who are currently standing on completely different positions
01:45
they will have to step back from their positions one by one
01:49
and you will have to create a national government for a cooling off period
01:53
Obviously, if you ask the PTI
01:56
the PTI will be elected tomorrow
01:58
there will be an independent election commission
02:00
PTI will win 3-4 seats
02:02
but then you will have to convince the non-league and people's party
02:06
that what we have done with the people's party and PTI
02:10
if they come to do this, then what?
02:12
You have to convince them that this will not happen
02:15
and we have to make Pakistan normal
02:17
For that, it is important that there is a cooling off period
02:19
But Fawad sahab, on a daily basis
02:21
there is something happening
02:23
which is taking the relationship to a new level
02:26
in terms of corruption
02:28
Today, they gave a statement
02:30
that Faiz Ameed should be trialled in an open court
02:32
From there, the news started circulating in the media
02:34
about the security measures
02:36
that who is he to say
02:38
whether it should be an open trial or not
02:40
This is our internal matter
02:42
Keep this in mind, quote unquote
02:44
If they are trialled, it will not be an open trial
02:46
And when it happens, we will know
02:48
what to do and what not to do
02:50
Now, obviously, the matter has gone one step further
02:52
Do you think this statement was necessary?
02:54
Till yesterday, they were saying that
02:56
Faiz Ameed should go, Fawad should go
02:58
What does it have to do with me?
03:00
Today, when they say that open court should be trialled
03:02
Who are you to say that?
03:04
Was it necessary to give this statement to Mr. Khan?
03:06
Should open court be trialled?
03:08
Look, I think the people who are going to react
03:10
did it in a hurry
03:12
They did not listen to the entire statement
03:14
What I have read in Don,
03:16
the entire context of the statement
03:18
is that if General Faiz
03:20
is involved in 9th May,
03:22
I am already saying that
03:24
the case of 9th May should go to open court
03:26
so that the person who is at fault
03:28
can come in front of the people
03:30
So, they have fully qualified
03:32
that if this is the case,
03:34
then what I was saying earlier
03:36
that he should go ahead according to that
03:38
And that statement is their consistency
03:40
What they are saying earlier, they are still saying
03:43
So, you were not saying about Mr. Fareed
03:45
that his trial should be open court
03:47
No, no, no
03:49
If you open the website of Don
03:51
and read the entire statement
03:53
then the problem is that
03:55
I had once told my waitress
03:57
that please request Mr. Khan
03:59
on my behalf
04:01
that when he answers the questions
04:03
of the reporters
04:05
then the question is not coming
04:07
only their answer is reported
04:09
which does not reveal the context
04:11
So, if they only talk about themselves
04:13
and do not ask questions
04:15
then communication will be better in jail
04:17
This communication problem
04:19
is a major issue
04:21
So, your opinion is
04:23
that they are saying
04:25
that my trial should be open court
04:27
which I am saying from the first day
04:29
I will not say anything about Mr. Nameen
04:31
Exactly, that is very clear
04:33
what they have contested
04:35
this is exactly what is written in Don
04:37
And if they had said this
04:39
So, your opinion is
04:41
that if it is open court
04:43
then it is not possible
04:45
and there is a high demand for it
04:47
Is it so?
04:49
Look, Vasim, you and I
04:51
do not know about the charges
04:53
Now, the law of open court
04:55
is very different
04:57
For example,
04:59
the court martial is only against
05:01
the serving officers
05:03
and the officer who retires
05:05
after 6 months
05:08
This is the military law
05:10
Now, the press release
05:12
says that
05:14
this is related to
05:16
top city issues
05:18
So, the military trial
05:20
will take place
05:22
We do not have any information
05:24
about the charges
05:26
So, I would not like to comment
05:28
But the military law
05:30
on mutiny is very clear
05:32
that it will not happen after 6 months
05:34
I am sure
05:36
If the press release is
05:38
on the level of an institution
05:40
then it will be after 6 months
05:42
Towards the end
05:44
You also
05:46
Because there are many things
05:48
related to Mr. Faiz Ameed and Mr. Khan
05:50
You remember, you and I
05:52
were in a session
05:54
Not about Mr. Faiz
05:56
You said in a podcast
05:58
that the chief election commissioner
06:00
who is a big accusation of Mr. Imran Khan
06:02
that the whole election was manoeuvred
06:04
by Noon League
06:06
through Mr. Faiz Ameed
06:08
This is very strange
06:10
Officially, the name given by Noon League
06:12
was not there
06:14
So, the name of Mr. Khan
06:16
was suggested
06:18
And Mr. Faiz Ameed's service
06:20
was not from Noon League
06:22
First of all, you and I
06:24
are students of Pakistan's politics
06:26
from a long time
06:28
We debate on this
06:30
Any DG ISI
06:33
has a very close relationship with the Prime Minister
06:35
Whether it is General Hameed Gul
06:37
Whether it is General Javed Nasir
06:39
Whether it is General Ehsan
06:41
Or General Faiz
06:43
Or anybody
06:45
General Nadeem
06:47
has a close relationship with the Prime Minister
06:49
Because
06:51
there is a demand for his working
06:53
So, in the same way
06:55
General Faiz also has a close relationship
06:57
But this impression
06:59
that General Faiz
07:01
was so powerful
07:03
that he used to veto Imran Khan
07:05
Whoever knows
07:07
Imran Khan
07:09
knows that this is not possible
07:11
And Imran Khan does not have
07:13
such a personality
07:15
that he can be easily vetoed
07:17
There were a lot of things
07:19
that he used to say
07:21
and Imran Khan did not agree
07:23
For example, Usman Guzdar
07:25
General Faiz
07:27
and General Bajwa
07:29
Imran Khan did not agree
07:31
This particular thing
07:33
of Sultan Sikandar Raja
07:35
Noon League and People's Party
07:37
and PTI
07:39
were tied in that committee
07:41
And at that time
07:43
Sultan Sikandar Raja's name
07:45
came from
07:47
General Faiz
07:49
Sultan Sikandar Raja was very close
07:51
He is the son-in-law of Saeed Mehdi
07:53
He was very close to Noon League
07:55
And he made this name
07:57
Later I came to know
07:59
that he gave this name
08:01
through Imran Khan
08:03
Later Imran Khan himself said
08:27
And PTI's official Twitter account
08:29
says that
08:31
If Faiz Ameed is the main character
08:33
of the 9th May conspiracy
08:35
then the Army Chiefs demand
08:37
that Faiz Ameed should be trialled
08:39
in an open court
08:41
And the facts will be revealed
08:43
So according to Don's story
08:45
he is using Faiz Ameed's name
08:47
No, he said that
08:49
if he has a role in 9th May
08:51
then the 9th May trial
08:53
should be an open trial
08:56
But he is also saying
08:58
that Faiz Ameed should be trialled
09:00
in an open court
09:02
He is saying that
09:04
if he has a role in 9th May
09:06
then he should be trialled
09:08
in an open court
09:10
And the facts will be revealed
09:12
Earlier it seemed that
09:14
General Faiz's trial
09:16
should be an open trial
09:18
But he said that
09:20
if he has a role in 9th May
09:22
then he should be trialled
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