Sean Hannity and James Traficant get into a shouting match over Israel lobby and U.S. policy (September 29. 2009)

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00:00Congressman, you said something in an interview with our own Greta Van Susteren.

00:09You and I got into this on my radio show and I am shocked, frankly disappointed, and these

00:16remarks sound like the conspiratorial, anti-Semitic remarks of people that we have heard from

00:23over the years.

00:24What you said was, quote, talking about Israel and, quote, Jewish people, they're controlling

00:31much of our foreign policy, they're influencing much of our domestic policy.

00:38What do you mean by that?

00:39Because that sounds to me like a bizarre conspiracy theory.

00:43Why would you say something like that when it's just, first of all, patently untrue?

00:49Number one, I served in Congress for 17 years.

00:53I've seen members question bills and votes on how does Israel feel about this.

00:59I must have heard that every time there was a significant vote.

01:02Here's what I'm saying.

01:03I'm not an enemy of Israel.

01:05America supports Israel and we should.

01:07They're a free nation, they're our friends amidst a cluster of dictators and monarchs,

01:12so certainly I support Israel.

01:14But Israel, through its lobby, has manifested so much power over the United States Congress

01:19that we're embroiled in wars that I don't believe we should be.

01:22Our kids are coming back in body bags and in the long run, this Israeli lobby is going

01:27to hurt Israel.

01:28So as soon as you mention Israel, someone claims you're an anti-Semite.

01:31No, no, no.

01:32The truth of the matter is, I'm pro-American, Sean, and I don't like, hear me, hear me.

01:39I don't like what's happening in America today.

01:42Our kids are coming back in body bags and we're bankrupt, completely broke.

01:46But you're suggesting here that we're fighting wars on behalf of Israel.

01:51But you just mentioned the 9-11 attacks.

01:52I think, I think a lot of that has been influenced by Israel.

01:54Wait a minute, wait a minute.

01:55Hear me now, Congressman.

01:56We're not fighting the war, we didn't fight the war in Iraq, we're not fighting in Afghanistan

02:01for Israel.

02:02We're fighting because this country was attacked because the 9-11 commission report said there's

02:06a group of enemies against us that are fighting a war against us and we're not at war with

02:11them.

02:12So we're fighting them because they killed 3,000 plus Americans.

02:17That's why we're fighting.

02:18Does that have anything to do with Israel?

02:20All right, let me respond to that.

02:24We're in a situation where the commission come out and they discuss the attack on America.

02:29There's no doubt about it.

02:30But our policies in the Mideast have been so one-sided and subjective.

02:34Without objectivity, we've created so many enemies, the only way they can strike back

02:38is we've imported the terrorists from those actions.

02:41Wait a minute, wait a minute.

02:42So if you question it, you're saying you're an anti-Semite.

02:44No, that's not what you did.

02:45That's not what you said.

02:46You said they're controlling our foreign policy.

02:49They're controlling our domestic policy.

02:50Yes, and I believe they are.

02:52Hear me now.

02:53I believe they control the Senate and the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

02:57That's insane.

02:58And they're controlling our foreign policy.

02:59Congressman, that's conspiratorial nut job stuff.

03:03No, it's nothing to do with conspiracy.

03:05Are we supposed to be friends with Syria?

03:07Are we supposed to be friends with Iran?

03:08Were we supposed to be friends with Saddam Hussein, Hezbollah, Hamas?

03:12Hold it, John.

03:13Well, you said we're only friends with Israel.

03:14John, I know you need ratings.

03:17I know you need ratings, but just hold it.

03:19I have ratings.

03:20I'm not saying we should be friends over there with anybody.

03:22I'm saying we should be objective.

03:24We have developed serious enemies from a one-sided policy.

03:28And yes, I believe Israel, through their lobby, has manifested total power of the Congress

03:33of the United States.

03:34Total power.

03:35Total power.

03:36And my concern is that taxpayers and the citizens of the United States should control their

03:40government, not a foreign entity.

03:42To suggest, as you're doing here tonight, that they control our Congress, that, quote,

03:48they are influencing and sole control of influencing of our domestic policy, is an absurdity.

03:54It sounds like you are a kook.

03:57John, I'm not suggesting it.

04:01I'm telling it.

04:02Yes, I believe they manifest a great power over America.

04:06Let me also say, in the last four years, there are two separate incidents of AIPAC spying

04:11on America.

04:12We even conducted a search warrant on AIPAC headquarters.

04:15Now, I don't like what's going on here.

04:18All I'm telling you is, I'm concerned about America.

04:21You and I might disagree.

04:22I'm not an anti-Semite.

04:24I'm not against Israel.

04:25And if Israel's attacked, I'm the first one to want to support them.

04:29But what I'm saying to you is this power that's being manifest on our Congress is going to

04:33backfire and is going to end up, in the long run, hurting Israel.

04:37Because the American people are getting about fed up with this government.

04:40One last shot at this.

04:42Will you back down from, quote, they are controlling much, meaning the Israelis, they

04:48are controlling much of our foreign policy.

04:50Will you back off that statement?

04:53No, I don't.

04:55All right.

04:56Then we disagree.

04:57Congressman, thanks for being with us.

04:58Good to be on your show.

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