Is it time for the Patriots to trade Matthew Judon?

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With tensions seemingly rising, the crew debates if now is the time for the Patriots to trade star pass rusher Matthew Judon

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00:00trade Matthew Judon, you want him gone.

00:02Yeah, I think it's time.

00:03I think at this point, if you don't trade him

00:06and you do pay him, you're setting a terrible example

00:08because now he's made a big scene.

00:10Now he's made a spectacle of himself

00:12and now he's gone head to head with not only the coach

00:14but the GM and sort of everything else

00:16and made it a whole thing.

00:18If you don't trade him now and you do sort of give in,

00:21then that incentivizes everybody else to do that same thing.

00:24I think now at this point, it's early on.

00:25No, who else is left to pay?

00:26Like who else is gonna knock on their door to get paid?

00:28Maybe not this year, but in the future, you know?

00:30I mean, there's a lot of people at camp right now.

00:31They're all watching this.

00:32They all saw it.

00:33There's gonna be people who have deals

00:35that are up next year or in the future

00:36and they're gonna say, hey, you know, look,

00:37Judon was out there bitching and moaning

00:40and if I do that, maybe they'll pay me too.

00:42And listen, everybody's getting paid.

00:43So I understand what Judon's upset about.

00:45But I think at this point,

00:47if you've sort of let it get to this point with him

00:50and now all of a sudden he's showing everybody up,

00:53it's more detrimental to pay him

00:54than it would be to trade him, I think.

00:56See, I disagree with that.

00:57I was listening to the Midday guys

01:01and Fourier straight up said, look,

01:04I don't think Judon is gonna be a problem if you pay him.

01:07If you give him a pay bump, I think this thing's done.

01:09It's not like there's gonna be more drama

01:12or he's gonna be somebody different

01:13in the locker room than he's been.

01:14And I disagree, just really quick, Arkan,

01:17with your notion that he sets the example now

01:20that everybody can get paid if they go out there

01:23and sit on a pile of pads or a trash can or something

01:27and throw a hissy fit and then walk off the field.

01:29Show up the coach, I mean.

01:30Okay, I think if you're an extremely talented player,

01:34then yeah, that might be the case.

01:36But that happens on every other team.

01:38And it's happening with Trent Williams right now,

01:40maybe not to the same public extent.

01:42Happens with IUK.

01:43There's stuff going on with Jamar Chase.

01:45Like this is not an individual kind of usual situation.

01:48They're holding out and holding in,

01:49but they're not sitting on pads, showing up the coach.

01:52I'm screaming at the-

01:52Right, but the reason they're gonna,

01:55if they decide to give Judon a contract,

01:57it's not gonna be because of the display

01:59he made at practice.

02:00It's gonna be ultimately because of what-

02:01But they'll still be rewarding him for that.

02:03Yeah, that's what I heard.

02:04It will look that way.

02:04Like I do, look, I agree with Arkan on this.

02:06Like part of me is like, don't go too easy on the players,

02:09but then I'm also like, pay Judon.

02:11Now my out is where you're at, Meggo.

02:13I'm like, you paid all these bum-ass players,

02:15pay the good one.

02:16And I just give him a pay bump.

02:17I'm not giving him a giant extension.

02:18I'm giving him some money to get him out on the field.

02:20But I don't think this happens everywhere.

02:23Like what happened yesterday.

02:24I think that happens with bad organizations.

02:26Like say what you want about Bill, and I have.

02:28And Bill busted balls on contracts

02:30and had plenty of players upset about their deal.

02:32He had guys hold out.

02:33I mean, Logan Mankins was pissed.

02:35So, you know, Randy Moss went out

02:37and made a big stink about this.

02:39Kern wrote about this like a week ago.

02:40Randy Moss went up.

02:41I'd forgotten about this press conference.

02:43In 2010, a week before he got traded,

02:45and he's like, yeah, I'm just, I wanna get paid.

02:48I think I deserve to get paid, blah, blah, blah.

02:49Week later, Bill traded him.

02:51And so this doesn't normally happen.

02:54It didn't happen under Bill Belichick.

02:55Players are pissed about their deals

02:57and Bill cheaped out on plenty of players.

02:59I'm not telling you Bill did everything right.

03:01But Bill didn't have dysfunction in the middle of practice

03:04with players sitting, yelling at Mayo,

03:08you know, turning around, talking to Wolf,

03:10like upstaging Mayo.

03:12That didn't happen.

03:13Getting kicked out of practice and then coming back.

03:15Yeah.

03:16I mean, that was pretty disrespectful, yeah.

03:18Which is why I don't think-

03:19No, that's different.

03:19That's different at the same time.

03:20I don't know.

03:21I'm still not at the level of Trey Judon.

03:23I don't think-

03:24Oh, me either.

03:25I don't think his character is such that

03:26he's gonna be some kind of major problem

03:29in the locker room, regardless of how this team plays,

03:31if he gets the contract and he's there.

03:33Okay, but he doesn't think he is gonna be a problem.

03:33What does it mean about,

03:34what does it say about the culture?

03:35He is a problem right now.

03:36You've already set the culture of you pay everybody.

03:39Like you've already paid everybody.

03:40So at least give a pay bump to the decent guy on the field.

03:44Okay, well, that's an unsustainable culture.

03:45I mean, if you're paying your younger players, fine.

03:48If they will look to Judon and thought, you know what?

03:50Let's see how he looks.

03:50Let's see if he's engaged.

03:51Let's see if this is someone that would do want to give

03:53this kind of money to and give an extension to

03:56in his later age.

03:57Most of the people that they paid are younger than him.

03:59So I think that there's-

03:59Right, I'm not saying you have to give him

04:01like a two year extension or anything.

04:03Well, if they're very far apart,

04:04they're very far apart right now.

04:06They probably offered him a bump.

04:07He didn't want it.

04:08So, I mean, if they're very far apart

04:09and they're not gonna get there,

04:10he's gonna be a problem.

04:11Well, very far apart.

04:12You have to trade him.

04:13Very far apart could be,

04:13I want 7 million this year and the Patriots say,

04:15you're getting nothing.

04:16And that could be very far apart.

04:17And so I don't know that he wants an extension.

04:20I don't know that the Patriots

04:20have offered him a bump this year.

04:21I don't know those things.

04:22I don't know that for sure.

04:23But they're not close.

04:24Right.

04:25And so that I agree with.

04:25When it comes to Matthew Judon,

04:28I would give the Patriots credit for trading him.

04:30And like, I would give Mayo some credit there.

04:32I'd be like, hey, you know what?

04:33It's not just everybody gets paid

04:35and everybody's getting fat and happy.

04:36Like I would give the Patriots credit for that.

04:38But then I would also turn around and go, great.

04:41You drew the line with this guy.

04:43You're best player.

04:44I mean, arguably, no one knows what he looks like, Mego.

04:46Like you say that very confidently.

04:48He's been their best player, yes.

04:49But I have no idea what he's like

04:51on the other side of this injury.

04:52I have faith in him.

04:53I would give him a bump for this year.

04:54I definitely wouldn't give him

04:55a two or three year extension.

04:56So I would kind of try to middle it.

04:58But great, nice job.

05:00You drew a line in the sand with this guy.

05:02Like I probably would have drawn a line in the sand

05:04with Ramondre Stevenson.

05:06Or I would have drawn a line in the sand

05:07with like Hunter Henry or a bunch of,

05:09God chow, I would never pay a cent to.

05:11It sounds like they're about to give him an extension.

05:13Even Peppers.

05:14I'm not paying any of those guys.

05:15Duggar, I wouldn't have paid.

05:16On Wenyu, I would have drawn a line

05:17with any of those guys before this guy.

05:19So like, great.

05:20Now you lost arguably your best player on the team,

05:22your best player on defense,

05:23and that's where you decided to draw a line.

05:25That's what I'd crush him for.

05:26But I would at least give him some credit with,

05:28all right, you're not gonna be a distraction.

05:30You're not gonna walk all over the coach

05:31and get away with it.

05:32I would give him credit for that.

05:33I also wonder, just really quick,

05:35so we have that report that Judon and the team

05:37are super far apart.

05:38Like Judon, do we believe that Judon's acting

05:41as his own agent right now?

05:42Well, he wrote up the contract.

05:43He said he, I thought that was a joke

05:45when he first said that.

05:46Like, oh, I wrote something on a piece of scrap paper

05:48and gave it to him.

05:48But now it sounds like he's his own agent, right?

05:50Here's what I think.

05:51I read a Bedard tweet yesterday.

05:53Bedard said it's, and I'm paraphrasing

05:56because I don't have it in front of me,

05:57but he said something like he's listed as having an agent,

06:01but it's somebody I've never heard of.

06:02It might just be an advisor.

06:03Okay.

06:04So like, you know, he also said in that clip,

06:06we don't need to play it, but he said in that clip,

06:07like my agent was like, and I got an agent.

06:10He was like, you gotta get into this after football.

06:12And I'm like, Matt, you're not doing a great job

06:14with your deal, just FYI.

06:15So I wouldn't, I wouldn't get into being an agent

06:17after your career, but yeah,

06:19I think he's self-represented on this.

06:20And that can be part of the reason why he's in trouble.

06:22Like, honestly, part of the reason why he's the one guy

06:24who hasn't gotten paid is because he doesn't know

06:26how to negotiate because that's not his job.

06:28That's what I'm saying.

06:29When you hear reports that they are so,

06:31they're far, far, far apart,

06:33part of it might be that this is an unusual

06:36negotiation process, more like the beginnings

06:38of Lamar Jackson's negotiating process

06:40because he's representing himself.

06:42Right.

06:42So look, I don't want to go down that road.

06:45Floreo went down that road a bunch.

06:45Floreo does it constantly with Caleb Williams.

06:47He did it with Lamar Jackson.

06:49And I like the work of Mike Floreo.

06:50I'm like a lot of people at this station.

06:51Gresh yells at me about it.

06:54Andy Hart, yes.

06:55When you cite Floreo, I think, I don't,

06:57is Floreo a big fan?

06:58I don't think he is.

06:58I don't think a lot of people like his work.

06:59I like his work, but he really does carry the water

07:02for some agents and Lamar Jackson did great

07:05on his contract.

07:06Look at the cashflow, all the numbers that came out

07:07the other day, Lamar Jackson did great on his deal.

07:10But-

07:11Took a while, but he eventually-

07:12But part of the reason why Matthew Judon

07:14hasn't gotten paid while everybody else has,

07:16that might be a reason.

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