- 7/2/2024
Parliament proceedings on Tuesday (July 2) was adjourned by Deputy Speaker Alice Lau following a lengthy shouting match by MPs across the divide.
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00:00I would also like to refer to the current law.
00:05I would like to draw your attention to the second article.
00:11In that article, it is stated that the law aims to expand the power of the Head of State Audit to inspect,
00:21audit and audit the accounts of other entities,
00:27including the companies registered under the 2016 Company Act,
00:32which received financial guarantees from the President or the State.
00:36I support this,
00:37where the powers granted by this law will give the Head of State Audit the power to inspect
00:47the accounts of companies that have received financial guarantees from the President or the State.
00:55In this context, I would like to refer to a news article
01:00which was reported in Malaysia Kini
01:04with the title,
01:07Lombong Emas di Kelantan Berkait Pemimpin Pas Jejas Haiwan Terancam.
01:16Allow me to rephrase the question.
01:22This is a report about a company.
01:27The name of the company is Terawang Terawang.
01:31In this report, the company...
01:35Terawang Terawang was also audited.
01:41Your Honour,
01:43I would like to explain.
01:44This is related.
01:45Thank you.
01:46This is related.
01:47In this report,
01:50it was stated that a company related to the Government of Kelantan
01:53was developing a project to mine 185 acres of gold
02:01in the middle of the country's rainforest
02:03through the process of assessing the environmental impact.
02:08This is...
02:18Your Honour,
02:20allow me to continue.
02:22I will explain.
02:24He is a bad boy.
02:26He is a bad boy.
02:28In the past, he used to hug Amno.
02:31Now, he is with Amno.
02:34Continue.
02:36According to the record of Suruhanjaya, a Malaysian company,
02:42this company is called AYSB,
02:48Akademi Yayasan.
02:50Originally, it was a legal entity responsible for helping students in Kelantan.
02:54This is the company.
02:55Now, it is carrying out activities to mine gold.
02:59According to the company's report,
03:02AYSB consists of five members,
03:06including former Kelantan Minister of Finance,
03:09Mohd. Amar Abdullah,
03:10Minister of Finance,
03:12Noor Azman Abdul Ghani,
03:15Setiausa Agung PAS,
03:18and...
03:20Please,
03:21involve the Chief Minister.
03:28I am discussing
03:31about...
03:33I will explain.
03:35I will explain.
03:37I will explain.
03:39What will you explain?
03:41Why are you stopping me?
03:43He is a bad boy.
03:48Mr. Jelutong, is this related to the RUU that was discussed?
03:52Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
03:54I would like to ask
03:56and state that
03:58Ketua Audit Negara with the passage of this law
04:01will have the power to audit the company
04:04because the company is also involved in gold mining activities.
04:09We want to know
04:11whether this matter involves the funds of the people...
04:14You are insulting Kelantan!
04:18Honourable Chairperson,
04:20do not shout in the court.
04:23This is the company...
04:25The funds are from the government.
04:38Honourable Mr. Jelutong, please state what you said.
04:42Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
04:44I am stating...
04:46Mr. Speaker, this is related to...
04:49If you want to audit, do it.
04:51Mr. Speaker,
04:53I have noticed...
04:5537.
04:57I have noticed that yesterday
04:59he mentioned about
05:01a flyer on Facebook.
05:04Yesterday, he also shared
05:06an issue on Facebook.
05:08Social media.
05:10He said there was none.
05:11Now, he made a report on Malaysia Kini
05:13and received a report.
05:15If there is a flyer, make a report.
05:17I am sorry, Mr. Speaker.
05:18I am using my floor.
05:20There are letters, letters...
05:23We have evidence.
05:25We have a flyer.
05:26Mr. Jelutong doesn't have a flyer.
05:29Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
05:30This is the company...
05:32Akademi Yakin Senyum Berhad.
05:34We are listening.
05:35We are patient.
05:36What did you say just now?
05:37From Facebook.
05:38Yesterday, you said there was a flyer.
05:39We are patient.
05:40Why? Are you upset now?
05:42Honourable Chairperson.
05:43Honourable Chairperson.
05:44Why are you upset?
05:45Wait. Listen.
05:48Everyone, sit down.
05:55Honourable Chairperson.
06:01Mr. Jelutong has finished.
06:04Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
06:05I have been stopped from discussing
06:08an important bill.
06:10Why can't we listen?
06:12Listen.
06:13He made a report on a project.
06:15We don't know
06:16where the source came from.
06:18Now, he's saying it's from Mizah Kini.
06:20What's wrong with that?
06:30Honourable Chairperson.
06:31Everyone, sit down.
06:37Everyone, sit down.
06:41Honourable Chairperson.
06:42Honourable Chairperson.
06:43This company is owned by Kelantan.
06:46It receives funds from the public.
06:49This is an academy.
06:51The directors are...
06:53This company has not been allowed to be audited by the state.
06:57But we are issuing a government project
07:00that the state needs to be audited.
07:03It has nothing to do with Mr. Jelutong.
07:08Mr. Jelutong.
07:10Honourable Chairperson.
07:12Everyone, sit down.
07:14Mr. Jelutong's time is up.
07:16Honourable Chairperson.
07:17Do you wish to speak?
07:22Do you wish to speak?
07:25Okay.
07:26Honourable Chairperson.
07:28Mr. Jelutong, don't be another judge.
07:30Mr. Jelutong, you are not a judge.
07:33Honourable Chairperson.
07:34Mr. Jelutong's time is up.
07:35Please sit down.
07:36Mr. Jelutong, if this is how you disturb us,
07:39I will...
07:42Honourable Chairperson.
07:44I invite Honourable Chairperson to speak.
07:47The rest of you, please sit down.
07:53If this is how you disturb us, I will disturb you.
07:56Honourable Chairperson.
07:58You disturb us.
08:01Those who wish to disturb, please leave.
08:07Okay.
08:08Honourable Chairperson.
08:09Thank you.
08:10Peace be upon you.
08:11Why do you always make trouble?
08:13Honourable Chairperson.
08:16I stand on my right.
08:17I would like to thank you for the discussion on the 1957 audit,
08:21which has never been moved for 33 years.
08:25I would like to raise an important issue.
08:27It is mainly related to the scope of power that the National Audit Board has,
08:31the enforcement of mandates, duties, and functions of the PSI,
08:34and the source of power for auditing and arranging.
08:38So after this,
08:39the National Audit Board is a private company,
08:42but it is funded by the government.
08:44So when we pass this,
08:46the National Audit Board has to investigate
08:50why the shares are offered to these foreign companies.
08:56Because the foundation of the National Audit Board is the public funds,
09:00the state funds.
09:02So I ask that we pass this.
09:04But does the National Audit Board have sufficient enforcement bodies?
09:10Whereas now, the ministries,
09:13even the ministries of employment,
09:15they do not have sufficient power.
09:18May I speak?
09:19I do not allow it.
09:20Why do you not allow it?
09:21Earlier, you made trouble.
09:22That was a trouble.
09:23This is different.
09:24So I want...
09:26Honourable Chairperson, please sit down.
09:29Do not give way.
09:30Please sit down.
09:32I would like to ask for more costs to the National Audit Board
09:35so that they have sufficient power to enforce the rights of the state.
09:41I am afraid.
09:42I am afraid of losing.
09:43Before we go any further,
09:45this is based on the Phase 2 amendment
09:48which is based on Section 5, Article 62,
09:52which is more extensive.
09:54I would like to say,
09:55in such circumstances,
09:56I ask that the National Audit Board,
09:58initially,
09:59after weน set things in motion,
10:00must be audited by the National Audit Board.
10:03May I ask for a pass, hon.
10:05On the National Audit Board,
10:10along with our public influence,
10:17May I ask for a pass?
10:19May I request a pass?
10:20Please be seated.
10:22May I request a pass?
10:23May I request a pass?
10:25Honourable Chairperson, please sit down.
10:29I don't understand.
10:31Do you understand what MAHP is?
10:33Do you understand?
10:35It's RM20,000, right?
10:37I can assure you of the impact of public money,
10:39which is...
10:41Don't mess it up.
10:43Mr. Timran, I'm standing on the rules.
10:45It's being carried out more strictly.
10:47The rules, Mr. Timran.
10:49The rules.
10:51On the rules.
10:53Wait a minute.
10:55He doesn't have any rules.
10:57He's messing up the rules.
10:59What kind of rules?
11:01Do you think you're the only one with a reason?
11:03You're the only one with a reason.
11:05Come on, Gopeng.
11:07Sit down, Gopeng.
11:09Mr. Timran, you should learn first.
11:11I'm referring to the rules.
11:13He doesn't agree with the division
11:15between the Minister of Finance and the PMT.
11:17Calm down.
11:19He's talking first.
11:21The Minister of Finance and the PMT.
11:23Calm down.
11:25Sit down.
11:27I'm referring to the rules.
11:29What rules?
11:31I don't have any rules.
11:33Sit down.
11:35Mr. Timran.
11:37Mr. Timran.
11:39The rules.
11:41Listen.
11:43The rules.
11:45Sit down.
11:47Sit down.
11:49I'm referring to the rules.
11:51He's messing up the rules.
11:53He doesn't agree with the division between the Minister of Finance and the PMT.
11:55Sit down.
11:57This is my floor, brother.
11:59This is my floor.
12:05Mr. Timran, sit down.
12:07Sit down.
12:09The rules.
12:11If the Speaker wants me to sit down, I'll sit down.
12:13You have no right to ask me to sit down.
12:15The rules.
12:17Sit down.
12:19Thank you.
12:21Mr. Timran.
12:23I'm referring to the rule 36-6.
12:27An ally...
12:29...cannot...
12:31...raise a bad omen...
12:33...against other allies.
12:37Mr. Timran.
12:39The speech...
12:41...about the pendang...
12:43...was about...
12:45...the MHB.
12:47To be clear...
12:49...that hasn't happened yet.
12:51He wants to investigate.
12:53To be clear...
12:55...he's trying to use this opportunity...
12:57...to make things worse.
12:59The issue...
13:01...about the MHB.
13:03To be clear...
13:05...he's trying to use this opportunity...
13:07...to make things worse.
13:09He doesn't need to talk about the MHB.
13:11If he doesn't understand about the MHB...
13:13...it's better if he sits down.
13:16Mr. Timran.
13:18I agree with you.
13:20You don't agree with the Prime Minister...
13:22...who made a statement...
13:24...to offer shares to BlackRock.
13:26You said no.
13:28You're against your Prime Minister.
13:30Who offered shares to BlackRock?
13:32Who?
13:34Please.
13:36I want an explanation.
13:38Who offered shares to BlackRock?
13:40Mr. Timran.
13:46Mr. Timran.
13:48Mr. Timran.
13:50Mr. Timran.
13:52Mr. Timran.
13:54Mr. Timran.
13:56Mr. Timran.
13:58Mr. Timran.
14:00Mr. Timran.
14:02Mr. Aliyah Muhammad.
14:04For the rules...
14:06...of the Melaka City Council...
14:08...no allies are allowed...
14:10...to make bad assumptions...
14:12...about other allies.
14:14I don't know who was mentioned...
14:16...by Mr. Aliyah Muhammad.
14:18He didn't mention anyone.
14:20You're lying.
14:25I'll repeat what I said.
14:27Madam Speaker.
14:29I want to make a statement.
14:31Let Mr. Aliyah Muhammad...
14:33...give an explanation.
14:35Let him sit down.
14:37I said...
14:39...if the law is passed...
14:41...the first audit...
14:43...needs to be done by the MAHB...
14:45...because it uses the people's money.
14:47I didn't tell him to do it now.
14:49The law hasn't been passed yet.
14:51He doesn't understand Malay.
14:53If Mr. Aliyah Muhammad...
14:55...could speak Malay like this...
14:57...he wouldn't have made a mistake.
14:59That's right.
15:01Kelantan's company...
15:04Kelantan's company...
15:06...has accused...
15:08Wait.
15:10He kept accusing.
15:12He kept accusing Kelantan's company.
15:14Kelantan's company...
15:16...hasn't been passed yet.
15:18He kept accusing.
15:21Don't mention Kelantan!
15:24What's wrong with mentioning Kelantan?
15:26What's wrong with that?
15:32The time for Mr. Aliyah Muhammad...
15:34...is over.
15:42Mr. Aliyah Muhammad.
15:44Give me a minute.
15:46I have an important point.
15:48I don't want to touch the law.
15:50I don't want to touch the vote.
15:52I don't want to touch the vote.
15:54I just want to give my opinion...
15:56...so that...
16:01Please sit down.
16:03Please sit down.
16:05Thank you.
16:08Mr. Aliyah Muhammad.
16:10If you want to sit, I'll lend you a rope.
16:13Standing order.
16:17Standing order.
16:23Standing order...
16:25Standing order 3612.
16:28Standing order 3612.
16:35Here.
16:36Okay, standing order 36.15, it cannot be ruled out that he is misleading the court, misleading the court.
16:44What was said earlier about the sale of shares, the sale of shares to BlackRock,
16:49that is not only wrong, he is misleading Malaysia and this noble court.
16:54Where is the fact or false accusation that there is a sale of shares?
17:00He is misleading the court.
17:02Honourable members, for the standing order 36.12,
17:07which member is misleading the court, is misleading the court.
17:13And I ask Honourable Ipoh Timur to make a motion to refer Honourable Pendang.
17:22I will make a motion. Thank you.
17:25Thank you Speaker.
17:27So, ask him to withdraw.
17:32Ask him to withdraw first.
17:34You cannot insult the court, then you want to run away.
17:38You cannot.
17:50The one who brought Mak Araw is also disturbing now.
17:57Honourable members, I think Honourable Aliyah is not interested to discuss.
18:00So, Honourable Aliyah, the meeting of the court today is postponed until 10am on Wednesday 3 July 2024.
18:12Don't insult Kelantan.
18:14Please.
18:16What?
18:17Go back.
18:27The Court is adjourned.
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