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Supreme Court Judges ka bhi dialogue ka Zikar , Kiya Siyasi Jamatein Amadah Hongi? Expert Analysis
Supreme Court Judges ka bhi dialogue ka Zikar , Kiya Siyasi Jamatein Amadah Hongi? Expert Analysis
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00:00 But today, Atharva said one more thing.
00:03 He said that if there is a fire,
00:05 we should not see whether the water is clean or not.
00:07 We should put out the fire.
00:08 He repeatedly said that we should discuss among ourselves,
00:11 solve the issues,
00:12 we are looking towards you.
00:14 But this is not the way to justice.
00:17 Maybe he was sitting with politicians.
00:20 Look, there is no doubt that politicians should talk to each other.
00:24 But I will say with utmost respect that
00:26 the custodians of fundamental rights,
00:30 custodians of constitution,
00:32 they do not give advice to politicians.
00:34 I am saying this with utmost respect.
00:35 You should make decisions according to your own laws.
00:38 If there can be any protection of anything,
00:41 be it people's rights, or constitution, or any other issues,
00:44 you should get it from the courts.
00:46 But democracy is everyone's stake, right?
00:48 It is everyone's stake.
00:49 Look, politicians have to do their own work.
00:51 That is why I said that it is absolutely right
00:53 that politicians sit together and solve the issues.
00:56 But the legal issues that are before you,
00:58 in front of the court,
00:59 the court should look at them.
01:00 Give your decision on them.
01:02 If the court has started giving advice,
01:05 then the issues will not be solved in that way.
01:08 The court is doing its work better.
01:10 Yesterday, Rana Sinhaullah also said that
01:12 one is the way of dialogue,
01:13 and the other is the way of conflict.
01:15 Even now, Mushayat Sahib was saying that
01:16 the conflict has already started.
01:18 It has already started.
01:19 Look, it has started to a great extent.
01:21 You can see that.
01:22 What is the reason for that?
01:23 What is our biggest issue right now?
01:25 There are two big political parties in Pakistan
01:28 who say that we have 70% or 60% popularity.
01:33 Despite that, why are you and I not having normal discussions?
01:37 Why are we not talking about the governance
01:40 of the existing democratic government?
01:43 We are not talking about any other issue.
01:46 And no one is doing it.
01:47 Why is no one doing it?
01:48 Because the main issue is that
01:50 what is happening right now?
01:51 Because the mandate is questionable.
01:53 It is not there.
01:54 And that is why it is being said that
01:56 if we fix the system,
01:59 then the matter will be settled and will be better.
02:01 The problem is that someone gives his shoulder.
02:04 Yes, sir, we are ready.
02:05 As you say.
02:06 As you say, my master.
02:07 Exactly.
02:08 So the main issue is that
02:09 when you have a real public representative government
02:12 on whose mandate no question will be asked,
02:15 then you will see that people will talk about governance.
02:18 The public will stand up and talk.
02:20 It will be discussed on social media.
02:21 At this time, the issues are different.
02:23 Politics, if it is settled,
02:25 then the camera will turn towards governance
02:28 or the direction of the conversation will come towards governance.
02:31 This is a matter of negotiation.
02:33 What are you seeing?
02:35 Is it increasing or is it manageable in your opinion?
02:39 Kashif, I think it is increasing.
02:44 I do not agree with PTI or Imran Khan.
02:48 Even if you do not accept someone's mandate,
02:52 you still talk to him.
02:54 What is the reason for that?
02:55 Imran Khan thinks that who has brought down his government.
02:59 Imran Khan thinks that he is powerful today.
03:02 Therefore, he should talk to him.
03:04 That is, he wants to talk to the one who he is accusing.
03:08 This means that he is accepting his role in politics.
03:14 If he talks to the government,
03:16 see in 1977, PNA did not accept Bhutto.
03:20 They did not accept Bhutto's election.
03:22 They did not accept Bhutto as Prime Minister.
03:25 But they talked to him.
03:27 And they prepared him to come.
03:29 He was ready to resign.
03:32 He was ready to have elections.
03:34 He was ready to make a bad government.
03:37 Talk to this government too.
03:40 Talk to them about 8th February.
03:42 Talk to them about the commission you want to make.
03:45 Either you have stolen our mandate or this is our position.
03:48 And we want to take back the mandate.
03:51 There is a framework for that.
03:53 Like in 2013, Imran Khan did not accept this government,
03:57 the PMLN government.
03:59 But he said, open four holes.
04:01 And in 2018, the Muslim League Moon and People's Party did not accept.
04:04 But on big occasions, they talked about it.
04:07 The committee was formed.
04:09 He did not do anything.
04:11 That is a different debate.
04:13 I am saying that, see, what will be the maximum?
04:17 The maximum will be that talks will break up.
04:19 You are right.
04:20 It will not be much.
04:21 You come and tell in the everyday press conference,
04:23 Sir, we want to talk about the issues of the mirror.
04:25 We do not want to talk about this.
04:27 As you said before, we want to talk about our NAB issues.
04:29 Imran Khan has options to keep in jail for unauthorized prostitution.
04:32 NAB, Toshakhana Dome, reference.
04:34 To keep it open, waiting for the right time.
04:37 You must have seen this news yesterday in the war.
04:39 It is Ansar Basi's news.
04:41 So you know, Ghasib,
04:43 Yes.
04:44 You keep Imran Khan in jail for five years for such things.
04:51 Suppose you take Imran Khan to an extreme position,
04:56 completely isolate him.
04:58 Will Imran Khan's narrative end?
05:01 Imran Khan's narrative will double.
05:04 Yes, that is more acceptable.
05:06 What you are doing is more acceptable.
05:09 Imran Khan is achieving this.
05:11 But this is the plan.
05:12 Keep him in jail as long as possible and see if he breaks.
05:16 Is that the plan?
05:17 Look, I don't know.
05:18 The way this news is,
05:19 this is a serious allegation on the entire justice system
05:22 that they will do this when the right time will come.
05:25 They are waiting for the right time.
05:26 If you read the whole news,
05:27 I read in detail yesterday that NAB has prepared.
05:30 NAB has given the authority for 40 days to keep him in jail.
05:34 NAB has said that they will do it when the right time will come.
05:37 It means it's not about corruption.
05:38 Imran Khan's corruption is not a problem.
05:41 The main problem is to keep him in jail
05:43 and the case will be filed at the right time.
05:45 The second thing is that
05:46 will Imran Khan be able to be kept in jail for a long time?
05:50 Look, the cases they have filed at the moment,
05:52 they have almost reached a decision.
05:54 One or two cases have been left.
05:55 I don't know.
05:56 The marriage that they have done,
05:58 because of the marriage,
05:59 they are in jail.
06:00 They are in jail.
06:01 Okay.
06:02 If they don't get married, they are out.
06:04 They are out.
06:05 But anyway,
06:06 you can guess from this
06:08 that what will be the right time
06:10 when all these cases will be filed.
06:12 As soon as it comes,
06:13 look,
06:14 the decision had to be made.
06:16 Yes.
06:17 Then something happened
06:18 because of which the judge returned it.
06:20 He wrote a letter to the High Court
06:22 that sir, change it.
06:23 They changed it.
06:24 There is something because of which the decision was not made.
06:26 Although,
06:27 I was listening that
06:28 many people think that
06:29 this does not happen.
06:30 That all the debate has been done.
06:31 But, Mr. Madar,
06:32 the plan is to keep him in jail.
06:34 This is the only way they can see.
06:36 If they keep him in jail,
06:37 then maybe there will be a little stability outside.
06:39 I don't think that
06:43 if this is their plan
06:45 and
06:47 they want to keep Imran Khan in jail for a long time,
06:50 then Imran Khan's narrative will be strong
06:53 and
06:54 they will not be able to govern.
06:55 Except for anti-Imran.
06:57 If you want to revolve politics around Imran,
07:00 then do this.
07:02 Look,
07:03 such things
07:04 are a very simple example.
07:05 And this is my position.
07:06 Many people disagree with this.
07:08 That PMLN
07:09 has come to a very weak position
07:11 from its strong position
07:13 just because of the vote of no confidence.
07:15 PMLN's ground was very strong in 2022.
07:19 That government was probably
07:21 because of taking the government for 16 months.
07:22 If after the vote of no confidence,
07:24 they had held an election,
07:25 then maybe the situation would not have been so bad.
07:27 They would have held an election.
07:28 Absolutely.
07:29 They would have held an election.
07:30 After that,
07:31 you see the strong position of PMLN.
07:33 I agree.
07:34 But I want to take a break.
07:35 Mr. Mufti, can I take a break?
07:36 Obviously, decisions are made
07:38 and the political decisions are paid for
07:41 or the political parties take advantage of it.
07:43 Let's take a break.
07:44 We will be back after the break.