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Bollywood Villain Ajit’s One & Only Interview: How He Became An Iconic Villain | Ajit’s Jokes
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5/30/2024
Actor Ajit started as a hero in Hindi cinema. On Rajendra Kumar's advice, he tried playing a villain in Suraj and found success. Discover Ajit's transformation in this vintage Lehren interview.
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The tradition of that time was that the person whose film is a silver jubilee is called a hero.
00:08
And if he has done a good job, but if the film is not a silver jubilee, then he is an unlucky artist.
00:17
You scoundrels, you did a little work which we got. You became enemies of that too.
00:23
If I make one happy, I hurt the other. So I thought it is better I should retire.
00:30
Cut his hand and dip it in the paint. When the police will catch him, they will catch him red-handed.
00:45
Brother, as I said, if after working in 89 films, after being a hero for 20 years,
00:55
if you say that I did not make my place, then there is a reason for that.
01:00
The reason is that I was a little soft in the matter of singing,
01:06
because my face was not of a chocolate type that I would sing by roaming behind my heroine and behind the tree.
01:15
And besides Nargis ji, I have worked with all the top heroines.
01:24
And the good movies.
01:27
Now the tradition of that time was that the one whose film is a silver jubilee, is called a hero.
01:38
And if he has done a good job, but if the film is not a silver jubilee, then he is an unlucky artist.
01:47
But anyway, take it. But till now, being alive in this line and going back after 40 years,
02:00
and then coming back to serve you people, then you understand that no one, I mean, does not let you stay here.
02:09
And this is a river of fire and you have to drown in it.
02:14
And anyway, someone has said that sir, no matter how big a hero he is in the world,
02:27
after a few years he starts to get bored.
02:31
So I thought that sir, it shouldn't be that I start getting bored before this.
02:37
We had a very good friend, poor friend, Mr. Rajinder Kumar.
02:44
Mr. Rajinder Kumar gave me advice that look, sir, the thing is that now the age of color has come
02:53
and very expensive movies are being made.
02:56
So now no one will give you the chance of a hero.
03:00
So there is a movie that we are making in Madras, a very good movie, which is called Suraj.
03:08
And in which I am the hero, Vijayanti Mala is the heroine and you have the role of a villain.
03:16
And if you do it, then I will feel very comfortable.
03:19
Because it was a short film, and we were good at this matter.
03:27
After that, consider that this era started after 1966.
03:35
And the interesting thing was that when people found out that I was doing a villain in Madras,
03:41
then all the 2, 4, 5, 6 movies I had, black and white, as a hero, they came running to me.
03:48
Sir, what will happen to us? We are dead, we have gone to work.
03:52
So I said, brother, think about one thing, it will take 1.5-2 years to make this movie.
03:58
And after that, slowly your movies will end after a little bit.
04:04
But let me also think a little about my future.
04:08
I wanted a new book of accounts to start in life.
04:13
So sir, it started. The movie was released. The movie was a hit.
04:19
Now after that, we will say that sir, what was the reaction of the people?
04:25
One of our deceased friends, God gave him peace.
04:34
When it premiered in Minerva, he was sitting down and he saw me a lot.
04:41
When I got down in the interval, he saw me a lot.
04:45
And these were his words, I apologize for the insult.
04:50
He said, you scoundrels, you left a lot of work that we used to get.
04:54
You became enemies of him too. Now he used to do the villain in it.
04:58
So friends, I laughed, I said, brother, I have done it in one movie,
05:04
you have worked in so many movies. And see what happens, I don't know.
05:12
So this was the reaction of all the colleagues.
05:16
You have always been an actor with a very stylish acting.
05:22
Is that the real look to you or something you have done only for the film?
05:28
I am a very stupid kind of a man.
05:35
But while living in Bombay, while meeting some people,
05:43
I met some people who saw their style, their white hair, their dresses, etc.
05:55
and wanted to see if this is the situation of the villain in this way.
06:02
And a movie that became very famous, because of which I started saying dialogues,
06:12
that movie was, what is the name, Zanjeer.
06:18
And actually the name that was given to me, Dharam Teja,
06:23
so coincidentally I met that gentleman in a party.
06:28
And I saw that he is such a cool and calm man,
06:35
and a very strong case was waged against him at that time.
06:39
But there was no difference in talking to that man,
06:48
and he spoke very calmly and sweetly.
06:53
So I felt that if I copy his name in this movie,
07:01
it would be very good.
07:04
Coincidentally, that movie changed the fate of many people.
07:11
Director, producer, hero, writer, and my fate was also changed.
07:21
After that, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7 movies were continuously hit.
07:27
And people accepted me as a villain.
07:33
And today, even after so many years, I have come.
07:39
So you think that if a man comes back after 7-8 years,
07:44
then maybe this will be the first such incident of the industry,
07:51
that a man comes back and is taken away by force.
07:54
And so much love and affection people showed,
07:58
that I felt that an individual from his own house
08:03
has gone away in anger, and then came back,
08:06
so the way people love him.
08:09
There was a screen party,
08:11
in which Dev Sahab said, "How can you leave us?
08:15
We are your family, and you shouldn't go here and all."
08:20
So I really thought that Dev Sahab is very much right.
08:24
And I felt very happy that I have come back to my family.
08:31
And now you will say that why did I go?
08:36
The reason for leaving was that in our film industry,
08:42
the ill-manneredness had increased so much,
08:47
that the poor producer used to say to me,
08:51
"Mr. Ajit, if you come at 10 o'clock,
08:55
then you will see that your first shot will come."
08:58
I said, "Okay, I will come, sir."
09:01
Poor our makeup dada, he was also very particular,
09:05
he had a beard, moustache, and wig,
09:08
and now he is sitting in the mirror, looking at his face.
09:11
It was found that the artists who were with him,
09:14
they did not come.
09:16
Now the poor guy would run and the assistant would come,
09:20
and he would say, "We have taken a break at 12.30,
09:24
if we take an early break, they will come by 2.30."
09:27
I said, "Okay."
09:28
Now he sat and kept looking at his face,
09:31
read the book, played cards, everything.
09:35
Now it was found that he came at 4.30-5.00.
09:39
And there is another shift from 7.00,
09:43
and the producer of the second shift is also very strict,
09:46
SK Kapoor.
09:48
He said, "How can this be?"
09:50
I said, "Mr. Kapoor, it is such that I will finish his work."
09:53
He said, "How can that be?
09:55
I have Hemamalini, Shashi Kapoor with me."
09:57
He said, "And I will not leave you, understand."
10:00
I said, "Brother, you decide."
10:03
So when such incidents happened many times,
10:06
I felt that if I make one person happy,
10:10
then I hurt the other.
10:12
So I thought it is better I should retire.
10:16
Because now, it may be that before I start boring people,
10:21
if I leave, it is very good.
10:23
So according to this, I went back.
10:26
Now you will say, "Sir, what is the reason for your return and how did you come?"
10:32
So sir, I did not come, I was brought.
10:36
I thought that maybe I am not a stubborn person.
10:40
But I felt that there is another person more stubborn than me,
10:45
whose name is Saleem Akhtar.
10:47
Okay, this decent man, I worked in his first film,
10:52
"Kyoron ki baraat".
10:54
After that, he made many films and in every film,
10:59
he offered me some role and I used to say, "No brother, let me go."
11:06
But I am sure that whenever he slept,
11:14
although he does not sleep much at this age, but whenever she used to come,
11:18
then it used to happen that such dreams used to appear that,
11:24
"Sir, I am doing shooting, today I am with him, tomorrow with him,
11:30
sometimes with Amitabh, sometimes with Jalinder, sometimes with Rajesh Khanna and this."
11:35
So this thing started haunting me.
11:39
After that, I started playing cards in the club,
11:42
I used to roam around on the farm, a lot of things.
11:45
But still I feel that one thing that was embedded in my blood,
11:52
it repeatedly demanded that,
11:55
"No, what you are doing, nothing will happen with it."
12:01
And during that time, when this time Saleem spoke very strongly,
12:07
then I said, "Okay brother, let's go."
12:10
But I kept some conditions.
12:12
See, that man's greatness, I said, "Brother, I will go, these are my conditions.
12:17
I will do the work for two days and see.
12:20
And if I am not able to do it, because I don't know what will be my position,
12:26
then I will run away, you will not feel bad."
12:29
That man said this.
12:32
He said, "Sir, maybe you don't have confidence in yourself,
12:37
but we have confidence in you.
12:40
That's why we want to take you."
12:43
So really, I felt that there are still people
12:50
who have confidence in someone and can take such a big risk.
12:55
I said, "Very good, let's go."
12:58
And coincidentally, when I started working,
13:01
it felt like it was yesterday, I have not forgotten any lesson.
13:06
I remember all the ABCD.
13:09
So the work started.
13:12
And thank God I finished that movie.
13:15
Then after that, they said, "When you have finished this,
13:19
then do the second one, Jigar."
13:22
I said, "Okay, let's do that too."
13:24
Now that they have come, let's start.
13:29
So I did their movie too.
13:32
After that, two or three more producers came,
13:36
who were very reasonable.
13:38
By the way, I heard so many stories,
13:41
during this period, people understood that,
13:44
like our film industry has a demand,
13:47
and it has always been from the beginning,
13:50
and all the journalists and paper people,
13:54
I am grateful and grateful to them,
13:57
that they gave me so much publicity,
14:00
I could not even imagine.
14:02
Then when people came to know,
14:05
they ran away.
14:06
Then I came to know that,
14:08
a new story was coming every day.
14:10
I said, "I have done this work, how is it now?"
14:13
"Is this the same story?"
14:15
They said, "No, sir,
14:16
the stories you make these days,
14:18
they are all the same.
14:20
There is nothing new in it."
14:22
I said, "Forgive me, I cannot do these things."
14:26
You asked, "Sir, how do you feel,
14:28
when your dialogues are repeated,
14:31
and after that,
14:33
you must be watching on TV,
14:36
that in this and that Maggie,
14:39
and in that,
14:40
old memories are fresh,
14:45
and this is not the same.
14:47
Now people have made some jokes,
14:50
they are called Ajit's jokes.
14:53
A boy was our friend,
14:54
he had come from America,
14:56
he was our son's friend,
14:58
we had a little chat.
14:59
He said, "Uncle, Uncle,
15:00
you have not heard this joke?"
15:02
And till that time,
15:03
I did not have any thought of coming to the film.
15:05
I said, "No, son."
15:06
He said, "After leaving the film line,
15:08
you had a passion for cricket,
15:11
and you started playing cricket.
15:13
And you are representing India,
15:16
and you went as an opening batsman.
15:21
And on that side, Imran Khan,
15:22
you got out on the first ball.
15:25
So, you walked to the umpire,
15:27
and you said to the umpire,
15:28
"Make it a no-ball,
15:29
by looking at him."
15:32
He said, "Yes?"
15:33
I said, "Make it a no-ball."
15:35
He said, "Don't be silly."
15:37
I said, "Make it a no-ball,
15:39
think it over."
15:41
He said, "No, you are out."
15:43
Then I looked at the crowd,
15:45
and I said,
15:46
"Robert, show him his wife and children."
15:49
Then the umpire said,
15:50
"It was a no-ball."
15:52
So, these sort of jokes were there.
15:54
I mean, you feel happy
15:56
when you hear all these things.
15:58
Even some good papers,
16:03
they have given all the jokes about me.
16:06
"Cut his hand,
16:09
and dip it in the paint.
16:13
When the police will get him,
16:15
when the police will catch him,
16:16
they will catch him red-handed."
16:18
"And then put him in another case,
16:23
and get him out of that one."
16:25
There are many such people.
16:27
So, these sort of jokes were made.
16:30
So, sir, it is a joy
16:33
that whatever I have done for so many years,
16:35
I have got some reward for it.
16:37
And it is the same,
16:38
that you tell me,
16:39
how many people are there in the world
16:41
who have not received anything
16:46
that they have got some happiness,
16:49
or they have got some reward,
16:51
like Michelangelo,
16:52
and these big artists,
16:54
and all these people.
16:55
Sir, they become popular after their death.
16:58
My wife had said something very nice.
17:00
She said,
17:02
"Sir, you are very lucky
17:06
that when you came back,
17:08
people came to know,
17:10
and people come from morning to evening,
17:12
journalists, etc.,
17:13
take your interview.
17:15
Otherwise, it would have been like,
17:17
after you,
17:18
children would have come and asked,
17:19
"How was your father?"
17:21
"And how was your treatment with them?"
17:23
"What kind of talks did they have with you?"
17:26
So, thank God,
17:27
that you are there,
17:28
so everything is being asked from you.
17:30
(Music)
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