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Barhta Hua Ayani Aur Siyasi Bohran | Muamlat Kis Taraf Jarahe Hain? Expert Analysis
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Barhta Hua Ayani Aur Siyasi Bohran | Muamlat Kis Taraf Jarahe Hain? Expert Analysis
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00:00
I will start with you, Mr. Jahangir.
00:02
Today, PTI is accusing PMLN of taking a position against justice.
00:09
Before this, PTI used to talk and PMLN used to say that you are taking a position against justice.
00:15
Where is the law standing on this?
00:17
The discussion about justice, to what extent and to what extent not?
00:22
Thank you very much.
00:23
The law is the same. If you use Article 204 of the Constitution,
00:31
the High Court of the Supreme Court of the Judiciary and the Contempt Ardience,
00:36
the law is the same.
00:37
Now, how do you use it?
00:39
Either you use it selectively with discrimination or as a whole.
00:44
There is no difference in the law.
00:45
If the PTI person does it, there is a different law for him.
00:47
If some other party person does it, there is a different law for him.
00:50
The law is equal for everyone.
00:52
Now, the parties should create a rule of law and a constitution in themselves instead of the judiciary.
01:02
Now, the judge has to make a decision.
01:05
One party comes against and the other one comes in favour.
01:08
Now, if the person who is against is a political person or a political party,
01:13
they try their best by using the media or by using whatever they mean,
01:18
to scandalise the judge or the court.
01:22
Today, the Chief Justice has categorically said that I have been criticised a lot,
01:27
but I did not take this step because people will say that he is taking revenge or it was my personal decision.
01:34
There is no doubt about it.
01:35
If you take the statement of some PTI people,
01:39
they have used such a wrong and contemptuous language,
01:43
the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and the Chief Justice of the Islamabad High Court.
01:47
But, having said that, we say that there should be equal treatment for everyone.
01:51
Just like there was a press conference today or there is a pattern of press conferences.
01:56
Why do you scandalise the judiciary?
01:58
If the judiciary was accepting the interference, then it was due to their own mischief.
02:05
But, if the judiciary says that this door should be closed,
02:09
then we say that the door should be closed.
02:11
We stand with the judiciary, we stand with the rule of law, we stand with the constitution.
02:16
There are two opinions in that.
02:18
If the judiciary stands, the door will be closed,
02:21
then all the advisers and the advisers of Pakistan will stand with the judiciary,
02:25
irrespective of any political affiliation.
02:27
If we are talking about political affiliation, then the same question that I asked to Mr. Jaged Jadoon,
02:33
that such things have happened across the board.
02:36
Today, I heard a statement of Mr. Warda and Mr. Rahul Hassan.
02:39
It is unfortunate, it should not happen.
02:42
Legally, it should not happen, but it happens.
02:45
In your opinion, is it the fault of the politicians to try to promote their politics by saying such things?
02:54
Who is responsible?
02:55
Thank you very much for having me.
02:59
My greetings to your guest, Mr. Jaged Jadoon.
03:01
Thank you.
03:02
He is our very eminent lawyer.
03:04
See, earlier, the government system was of emperors.
03:09
They ruled by one decree and all the people below them followed the orders of the emperor.
03:16
And they would become guillotined if they did not follow the orders.
03:20
So, in the 16th century, this debate started that separation of powers should be done,
03:24
civil rights should be done, and there should be an independent judiciary.
03:29
So, by doing this, the system of unity is now in full swing all over the world.
03:35
Most civilized countries have a system in place where the judiciary is independent of the executive.
03:42
And the purpose of making the judiciary independent of the executive is that you do not rubberstamp the government,
03:50
but keep them in check.
03:52
So that if a common man, who is such a powerful government, comes into clash with him,
03:58
then the rights of the common man should be protected and he can escape from state machinery.
04:03
He can come into an equitable jurisdiction, he can go to a court,
04:07
and the courts will decide whether the state has taken these steps or the state is taking advantage of its power.
04:16
Now, we have come to such a situation.
04:18
Pakistan, unfortunately, we are not able to mature.
04:21
Every place of ours thinks that it has the right to rule.
04:24
And at different times, different people get this obsession,
04:28
who come and sit on top of these institutions or come in between,
04:33
that maybe no one can run Pakistan better than them, then this is the loss of Pakistan.
04:37
But Khosla sahib, I am sorry, I am cutting you short.
04:40
Here, legally, it is said that where there can be no discussion against the judiciary,
04:45
there are laws for the armed forces as well.
04:48
There can be no discussion against them as well.
04:51
So, across the board, you, the politicians, together, I mean, lawyers,
04:56
play a pivotal role in the politics of Pakistan,
04:59
you have always been a catalyst.
05:01
The big campaigns that have been going on, the things that have been going on in a proper way,
05:07
they have been going on with lawyers.
05:09
Quaid-e-Azam was himself a lawyer.
05:10
So, lawyers play an important part in the politics of Pakistan.
05:13
Allama Iqbal was a lawyer.
05:15
So, it is an important part.
05:17
You have a view that if someone is told that you cannot speak against this institution or that institution,
05:25
how is that fair as well? I just want to know that.
05:28
Let me tell you something.
05:29
Who has told you that anyone in Pakistan is against institutions?
05:32
If anyone is against, then it is wrong.
05:34
I am trying to ask.
05:35
All these institutions are made for the service of Pakistan.
05:37
Unfortunately, where does the conflict arise in these institutions?
05:43
When they try to get out of their own sphere of power and try to intervene in the sphere of power of others.
05:49
This is not done in Europe.
05:51
This is not done in other countries.
05:53
It happens in Pakistan that the parliament tries to…
05:56
We are seeing…
05:57
This is an important point.
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