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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, with the program question, I am Mariam Aiman.
00:12Our top stories are the announcement of a national protest by the Farmer's Union,
00:15the wheat crisis in the country.
00:17In this regard, in the first part of the program,
00:19we will have with us the former Minister-in-Chief, Anwar-ul-Haq Qaqar.
00:22We will take his version in this regard in today's program.
00:24After that, the entry of the People's Party in the cabinet is going to happen again.
00:29We will have with us Mr. Tayyab Bukhari.
00:31We will ask him whether all the matters have been resolved or this is the initial phase.
00:36In the end, there is another honor of the Pakistani woman, Kope Ma Naila Kiani,
00:41which has made the whole nation proud.
00:44In the first part of the program, we will talk about the wheat crisis
00:47and the press conference that the farmers held today.
00:49Regarding the wheat crisis, all the farmers have held a press conference today.
00:53They are going to protest.
00:55If we look at this country, there is a big crisis.
00:58The man who is in the center of it is Senator Anwar-ul-Haq Qaqar.
01:03He is also the former Minister-in-Chief.
01:05According to the investigation, the vifaki government,
01:08which is putting pressure on the Nigran government.
01:10The Nigran government says that the previous government has authorized all this.
01:14What is all this?
01:16We will talk about this.
01:17Mr. Qaqar, thank you very much.
01:18Assalam-o-Alaikum.
01:19Some official documents have come to us.
01:21A series of events have been declared.
01:24For example,
01:25on 8th August, the ECC government approved it.
01:30At that time, Mr. Dar was heading it.
01:32They approved it.
01:34They decided that they will not import it.
01:37At that time, it was a matter of strategic reserves.
01:42You come and approve this summary.
01:45What was the change?
01:47If the elected government did not approve it,
01:50then as a caretaker, why did you approve it?
01:53Thank you very much, Maria.
01:55Look, from 8th August, it becomes clear that
01:59the next day, 9th August, is the last day of their government.
02:03The day the parliament dissolves.
02:05And then the Nigran government comes.
02:08The discussion that took place there,
02:10in which the Commencement Minister was Mr. Naveed Kamal
02:12and the ECC Chair was Mr. Dar.
02:14There was an estimate that our projected consumption target is this much,
02:19which is around 1.4 million metric tons.
02:22And our produce, because by that time,
02:25the tangible actual produce has arrived.
02:27Keep this in mind.
02:28This is not projected produce.
02:30This is actual produce.
02:32The production of last year, 22-23,
02:34the leftover product,
02:38the throw forward, that has also been calculated.
02:41This is present.
02:43And on the basis of this,
02:45a gap has been identified of around 3.4-4 million metric tons.
02:51The government has been allowed to procure this.
02:58The discussion that took place there,
03:00may or may not be a matter of minutes,
03:02but a general discussion took place
03:04that who does this procurement?
03:06This mechanism needs to be understood.
03:08When the federal government comes to you with the estimates of the provinces,
03:13the data comes,
03:14then if there is a need for fertilizer,
03:16if there is a need for wheat,
03:18that is an institution,
03:20Trading Corporation of Pakistan,
03:21within the Commerce Ministry,
03:23that on behalf of the government of Pakistan,
03:25does procurement from all over the world.
03:27Now this mechanism,
03:29there is very strict criticism on it.
03:32There are negative commentaries on IMF,
03:37that the practice you have kept is not correct,
03:40and there is merit in it.
03:42297 billion rupees,
03:44more or less,
03:45TCP is under debt.
03:47So it is a huge mountain.
03:49And one way to deal with this mountain is
03:51to further add to it,
03:54and buy expensive and cheap things,
03:57and the poor mechanism of your recovery,
03:59because you have to borrow from the banks,
04:01you have to give 22% mark-up on it,
04:03or break this cycle.
04:06Break this cycle.
04:07The requirement of strategic reserves of around 1 million point something tons,
04:12who will cater for it,
04:14who will look after it?
04:16For this, there is an import bill order in the country.
04:21This comes under ICRC.
04:23Now the question is,
04:25from where the allegations come to us,
04:27that they have given permission,
04:28which we are saying again and again,
04:30that brother, first understand this,
04:32and then definitely accuse.
04:33One minute,
04:34because you just told me about its mechanism,
04:36the problem is not only of permission,
04:38the problem is also of mechanism.
04:39Tell him.
04:40These 2-3 questions are cut,
04:41because I have to continue this debate after this.
04:43So there is also a problem of mechanism,
04:45where there were no bids,
04:46no bidding,
04:48and it was procured.
04:50The second allegation on the mechanism is that
04:52there were approvals here,
04:53but after 8 days, the ship arrived.
04:55That is, under such a speedy mechanism,
04:57this wheat was not only bought,
04:59nor was it bid,
05:00and it was delivered on the shores of Pakistan.
05:03Is it normal?
05:05Yes.
05:06Absolutely normal.
05:08Now I will try to explain to you,
05:10why we see it as normal.
05:12The first question is that you did not bid,
05:14and without bidding,
05:16this wheat was procured for around 1 billion dollars.
05:20You bid when the government procures.
05:24The bidding of the private sector is not the work of the government.
05:28The private sector determines the forces of the market,
05:33and they compete with each other.
05:36There are 2 traders,
05:37one is getting 300 dollars,
05:39and the other says that he will get 290 dollars.
05:42They show their efficiency,
05:44and earn a profit in the market.
05:46We are trying to explain to you,
05:49that there is a storm in the cup of tea right now,
05:52to understand the mechanism first.
05:55We have saved your money if you have given a tax.
05:58How did you save it?
06:00We had to procure this
06:02with the money of Pakistan's exchequer,
06:06which we refused.
06:09Now, when we encouraged the private sector,
06:12allowed it, facilitated it,
06:15the import we got from it,
06:18we earned a few million dollars in your treasury,
06:21in the form of tax, and gave it to you.
06:23But during this time,
06:24there was a huge storm,
06:26a storm of 400 billion dollars, by the way.
06:28So, you are doing a cost analysis.
06:30400 billion dollars,
06:31I am not quoting you.
06:32No, I am saying,
06:33he is quoting the farmer.
06:34Listen to me.
06:36400, 300,
06:37350 billion.
06:38The way people used to read the stories of Inspector Jamshed in my generation,
06:43these are generated stories.
06:45And unfortunately,
06:46many people of our generation
06:47still consider Inspector Jamshed to be a real character.
06:50The problem is that
06:52you have created such a receptive echo chamber in this country,
06:56where conspiracy theory,
06:58theft,
06:59mismanagement,
07:00incompetence,
07:01attention is also being sought,
07:03and it is being sold immediately.
07:05Now,
07:06it will take time for us to correct this perception.
07:09Now,
07:10I will come to your actual issue.
07:12We refused the TCP
07:14because it was a mountain of underdates.
07:16Either we are lying,
07:17or we want to verify it.
07:19Now,
07:20when we did this work,
07:21when we issued our memorandum,
07:23we did not allow them.
07:25In the form of non-allowance,
07:27there was pressure that
07:28who will fill this gap?
07:31We said,
07:32let the private sector handle this gap.
07:34If there is a gap,
07:36according to required wheat demand,
07:40this was in the official language.
07:43But this means that
07:44the official language
07:45or the report that was presented
07:47was inaccurate, right?
07:48Because after that,
07:49when the local crop came here,
07:51and the government does not have money to buy it,
07:53then at some point,
07:54the report that was presented,
07:56is there a problem in it?
07:58Because this is inconsistent.
08:00Again, I have a request.
08:01Maybe I could not explain.
08:02I am telling you that
08:04there is no gap,
08:05no crisis,
08:07no incompetence,
08:09no corruption.
08:10Then what is the issue of the government
08:12buying wheat from the farmers?
08:13That is a separate issue.
08:14We will talk about that too.
08:15Because that is the main issue
08:16which we have backtracked to reach here.
08:18Look,
08:19the first objection is on import.
08:22When we clarify import,
08:24people will understand,
08:26after that,
08:27we will go to the farmer's protest.
08:28Or we go to the farmer's protest first,
08:30and then come to this.
08:31Because you said that there is no crisis.
08:32Because the crisis is full blown.
08:34Again, I am requesting you that
08:36this is a very important issue
08:38for millions and millions of people of Pakistan.
08:41Let the truth prevail.
08:43First find out that
08:45the import that we have done,
08:47have we given its legal permission?
08:50Only then can it be linked to corruption.
08:52Before that, there was a ban.
08:54We removed that ban,
08:55issued the SRO,
08:57told the private sector to go,
08:58earn for themselves,
08:59and earn for us too.
09:01This SRO was issued by Imran Khan's government.
09:08During COVID days,
09:10and for right reasons,
09:11and for right reasons,
09:13when there was disruption in the global supply chain,
09:16this SRO was issued
09:18so that the private sector
09:20is allowed to import,
09:22so that duties are exempted,
09:24taxes are exempted,
09:25the regulatory duties.
09:27So that the wheat grains come to the country easily
09:30and there is no gap and the market is not destabilized.
09:32This SRO, this law,
09:35in its two years,
09:38in its 16 months of PDM,
09:41today when you and I are talking,
09:43so far it has been in effect.
09:45So which justice law did we enforce
09:48in relation to the private sector?
09:50That we gave permission to the private sector.
09:52What permission did we give?
09:53That was a continuation.
09:55They already had permission to do this.
09:57They were doing it.
09:58Now if the demand of the market was 1 lakh tonnes,
10:01they would have asked for 1 lakh tonnes.
10:03If it was 50,000,
10:05if it was 2 million,
10:06if it was 6 million,
10:07they have to determine this.
10:09I don't want to do it.
10:10They say to me,
10:11why did you have to do CAP?
10:12I am managing the market as a government.
10:14I am not managing the market.
10:16I can monitor, I can regulate.
10:18In the regulatory role,
10:20in the role of monitoring,
10:21if there is a question,
10:22then definitely ask.
10:23If we had done CAP as an example,
10:25then the question would have been,
10:27who will do it?
10:29Zaid will do it,
10:30Bakar will do it,
10:31Tom will do it,
10:32Jerry will do it.
10:33Now we had to give them a permit.
10:34Now when we had to give a permit,
10:35in return for that permit,
10:36people had to take money.
10:37We have stopped this regime of bribe.
10:40We have not opened it.
10:41There are abuses and objections on that.
10:43On what basis have people given us money?
10:45Okay.
10:46Now I will come to the ship.
10:47Yes, to the ship.
10:48First of all,
10:49within 8 days,
10:50this ship was being prepared.
10:52Okay.
10:53See,
10:54I am telling you.
10:55I am telling you.
10:56Like you,
10:57I am ignorant.
10:59The word illiterate will be harsh for you,
11:02for me,
11:03or for the rest of the critics.
11:04People are ignorant.
11:05We still have the understanding of the maritime trade of the British Raj.
11:09That the ship was sailing from the port of London,
11:13then it took four and a half months to reach Bombay.
11:17People do not know how the modern maritime trade is happening.
11:21Of these 60 companies,
11:24who have imported 3.4 million metric tons,
11:27Louis is a French company
11:30that trades the largest wheat grain in the world.
11:34They have floating vessels.
11:37They are in the Black Sea,
11:39in the Arabian Sea,
11:40and are also present in Eastern Europe.
11:43They are also doing procurement throughout the year.
11:45Where famine comes,
11:46where disaster comes,
11:48where war comes,
11:49where there is a supply gap,
11:52where demand is generated,
11:54they divert their ships there.
11:56They have taken more than eight days.
11:58They can do it in three days.
12:00But someone should understand the trade,
12:02find out about it,
12:04and then object.
12:05Based on this,
12:07a sitting senator,
12:08my colleague,
12:09accused us of 85 billion rupees,
12:12that they had already set up the port,
12:15had already ordered it,
12:17had given approvals later.
12:19I told you,
12:20that the stories of Inspector Jamshed used to sell a lot.
12:23They were very popular.
12:25The newspapers were very popular in this country.
12:27Three women, three stories were going on.
12:29Lies are sold.
12:31Right.
12:32Now you have told us that
12:33the decision you have taken,
12:34you completely agree with it.
12:36There is no mistake in it.
12:37You have saved money by extracting.
12:39I have summarized it like this.
12:40Fast forward.
12:41There is a crisis in the country right now.
12:43Farmers are on the streets.
12:44Governments are not ready to buy their wheat,
12:46because the country has surplus wheat.
12:48When the approvals were being made,
12:50the estimates were wrong.
12:52They were deliberately wrong.
12:54The decisions were inaccurate.
12:57Because today,
12:58the farmer has refused to buy the government's wheat.
13:00He does not have the capacity,
13:01nor does he have the capacity to keep it.
13:03And the farmer is quoting a figure of 400 billion.
13:06Whether you agree with it or not,
13:08the crisis is being quoted by the farmer.
13:10So who is responsible for this?
13:12Now I will come to you.
13:14You said that there is surplus wheat.
13:16Because by saying it,
13:18it is not established.
13:19Neither by my saying it,
13:20nor by your saying it.
13:21If we take the same figures,
13:22if they are correct,
13:24which have come under the PDM government.
13:27Estimate of consumption target
13:29and of production.
13:31And they still have their governments.
13:33This data is being collected in this.
13:34Based on this,
13:35this whole discussion is being held.
13:37Is it being mentioned about bumper crop?
13:40And it is Allah's grace that
13:41there is a bumper crop in Pakistan.
13:43Is bumper crop a surplus crop?
13:46Is bumper crop
13:48our consumption target of 31 million metric tons,
13:52more than that,
13:53we have produced 32 million metric tons?
13:56No.
13:57We have also produced 29 million
14:00or 28 million metric tons in bumper crop
14:02more than the previous years.
14:05This is true.
14:06There is still a gap.
14:08What was the gap of 2.4 million?
14:11That 2.4 million,
14:13based on these figures,
14:16because the private sector has brought 3.4 million,
14:19so according to people,
14:211.4 million has become extra.
14:23Out of that,
14:24400,000 metric tons have come during our time.
14:27And 900,000 metric tons
14:29have come in this one and a half month
14:31when this new government has come.
14:33You see today's news,
14:35that the current Prime Minister
14:37has also been appointed
14:38and was being imported.
14:40Is this a scandal?
14:42Or is that a scandal?
14:43Neither of these are scandals.
14:45Is this a crisis?
14:46Or is that a crisis?
14:47Neither of these are crises.
14:49So who is telling us about this crisis?
14:51Because the governments are clearly telling the farmers
14:54that we can't buy your wheat.
14:56So why will the government create a crisis for itself?
14:59Why will it bring the farmers to the streets?
15:01Why will it create bad optics?
15:03See, I am not answering the government.
15:06The government will answer itself.
15:07Why will any political government do it?
15:09You are absolutely right.
15:10I can have my own observation or opinion on it.
15:13I will express it.
15:14Otherwise, I am not privy to the information
15:16as to why they are doing it.
15:18Until we understand that mechanism,
15:20we will not be able to move forward.
15:23In our country, when domestic produce is produced,
15:26we have to do international procurement
15:28of the private and public sector.
15:30That has now become clear.
15:31How did we do it?
15:32What did we do?
15:33And by the way, let me tell you
15:35that what we facilitated
15:38led to a reduction in inflation.
15:41The food stifles were reduced.
15:43This has been quoted by the Pakistan Bureau of Statistics.
15:46According to which,
15:47it is the duty of the Markup Trade Bank
15:49to reduce it.
15:51This consumer of about 12 crores
15:54got cheap bread and flour,
15:57which I am abusing.
15:59The Ashrafiya in this country
16:02is putting another allegation.
16:04There was no dollar.
16:05Yes, they provided the dollar.
16:07You have become insatiable.
16:09Compare the import bill of one year.
16:12The import bill of Pakistan.
16:14See how much dog food has come in it.
16:17How much make-up has been imported
16:19from my house and your house?
16:22How many luxury Mercedes and BMW cars have come?
16:26When you compare the import of spoon,
16:29soybean, and oil,
16:33when you compare all this,
16:36the Ashrafiya has no objection
16:39to the spending on dog food.
16:42The Pakistanis of 12 crores,
16:44some are dying for you,
16:46some are dying for me,
16:47some are dying for someone else.
16:49They got cheap bread and they are abusing me.
16:52This is your cameraman,
16:54this is your hard-working worker,
16:56they got cheap bread.
16:58But again, coming back to the basic question.
17:00Now I will come to this.
17:01Why is the government not buying
17:03and creating a crisis for itself?
17:04Now I will come to this.
17:05Why is the government not buying
17:06and creating a crisis for itself?
17:07Because if you are saying
17:08that there is no crisis,
17:09then the current government
17:10will also be affected.
17:11I am saying this publicly.
17:13Tomorrow a debate will be generated on this.
17:15I want that.
17:16So is it ill-intent
17:17that they are not buying wheat
17:18or is it a capacity issue?
17:19No, no, no.
17:20I will do this completely honestly.
17:23I will do this honestly
17:24because I want
17:25that I should also be treated honestly.
17:27When I have the hope of honesty for myself,
17:31then I should also be honest
17:33to create a crisis for myself.
17:35See, the current government,
17:36whether it is the government of Punjab,
17:39Wafaaq or Sindh,
17:40they are also 1.5 months old.
17:42Now they have to warm up themselves
17:45by understanding the challenges.
17:47They have to implement policies.
17:49They have to move forward.
17:50The issue is that
17:52how do you do procurement of domestic produce?
17:55You do domestic produce
17:56in such a way that
17:57you are a support price mechanism.
17:59At the time of sowing,
18:00you tell the farmer
18:01that in the coming harvest,
18:03I will fix the price of wheat
18:06at Rs. 2,000, Rs. 3,000, Rs. 4,000.
18:09I will buy it.
18:10You please grow it.
18:12He does his calculations.
18:14He takes the manure,
18:15he takes the DP,
18:16he takes the land on sale.
18:17It is his own.
18:18He works hard all year
18:20and after producing,
18:21then you have introduced a system.
18:23Not today, but for 50 years.
18:25It is called Baradana.
18:27You issue Baradana.
18:28There is a bag.
18:30When the farmer gets the bag,
18:32he fills it with wheat.
18:33Instead of that wheat,
18:34you give him Rs. 4,000.
18:36This is the mechanism.
18:38The support price that was set this year,
18:41in the last days before our government,
18:44there was a contention between Sindh and Punjab
18:46as to how much to keep.
18:48It was a popular decision.
18:49It was a decision for the votes.
18:51Now that decision has been made
18:52and in that,
18:53the position of Punjab,
18:54the loyalty of Punjab,
18:55was probably that
18:56Rs. 3,200, Rs. 3,300 is a bit realistic,
18:58but they were pushed and kept at Rs. 4,000.
19:01Now what is the problem?
19:03The problem is,
19:04like I am telling you the story of TCP,
19:07I am telling you that
19:08I was not buying.
19:09So I am assuming
19:11that the provincial government of Punjab,
19:15when the financial sheet came in front of it,
19:18they must have been told
19:20that this is Rs. 3 crores, Rs. 6 crores, Rs. 8 crores.
19:24When these crores come,
19:25you start getting shocks.
19:27You are under debt
19:29and you give a 22% mark-up for it
19:32and this 22% mark-up is being made every month.
19:35So this is a nightmare situation.
19:38Someone must have told you about the debt retirement plan.
19:42Someone must have told you
19:43that to get out of this quagmire,
19:46we require a system
19:48where our good governance can also be established.
19:50Any government will do this.
19:52Now if in that implementation,
19:55at once,
19:57the farmer has become agitated,
20:00because the farmer has already grown,
20:02his harvest is ready.
20:04The commitment that has been made with him,
20:07he will have to honour it.
20:09For next year,
20:10you will diversify your agricultural policies.
20:13You will see how much sugarcane we have to grow,
20:17how much cotton we have to grow,
20:19how much wheat we have to grow.
20:21What is its value addition?
20:23What is its value with the industry?
20:25This is a healthy debate.
20:27No one is ready to do this.
20:28ANWAR has consumed 85 billion rupees.
20:30200 billion rupees have been lost.
20:32400 billion rupees.
20:33We have translated 1.5 trillion rupees
20:36as a benefit to the consumer.
20:39I am not listening to anyone.
20:41I want to conclude this debate.
20:42Why is this happening?
20:43Look.
20:44Let's talk honestly.
20:46Why is this happening to you?
20:48What do you think?
20:50Who is responsible?
20:51Is this a political campaign?
20:54Is this to block your political path?
20:56Was it a matter of ministering?
20:58Why should I become a minister?
21:00Look Maria,
21:01I am an individual.
21:03For me,
21:04the whole of Pakistan,
21:06if I become a prime minister,
21:08will anyone do such a big conspiracy to become my minister?
21:11You are calling him a foreign minister?
21:12No, no.
21:13Deputy Prime Minister?
21:14No way.
21:15No one has even thought about it.
21:17Neither me nor anyone else.
21:19After becoming a prime minister,
21:21why would I want to get another position?
21:25As a senator,
21:26I can contribute positively
21:29towards the discourse in Pakistan,
21:31towards its economic discourse,
21:33towards its political discourse.
21:35Why would I want to get an executive position?
21:39Why is this happening?
21:40I want to know.
21:41There is no motive in that
21:42that I should stay here or there.
21:44That is not there.
21:45Then why is this happening?
21:46I will come to that.
21:47But I only have three minutes.
21:48Yes.
21:49The way we are being perceived,
21:53there is a PTI opposition
21:56which is trying to connect the establishment of Pakistan with us.
22:00They want to criticize this model of the caretaker
22:03which is being praised a lot.
22:05They want to establish that
22:07he was incompetent,
22:08he was corrupt,
22:09he was a thief.
22:10That makes sense for PTI.
22:11The reports that are coming from the government,
22:13the documents that are coming,
22:15you are being criticised.
22:16You are being criticised on record.
22:17Look,
22:18when an opposition senator
22:19stands up and says,
22:20floor of the house,
22:21in the media,
22:22the government is under pressure
22:25that these people
22:26don't want to save the caretaker.
22:28They have their own problems.
22:30Mr. Tanveer is saying this
22:31because of this.
22:32Mr. Haseeb is saying this because of this.
22:33I don't know.
22:34I am not interested in personality.
22:35On record,
22:36he is the minister of the government.
22:37Okay.
22:38I am talking about the government.
22:39This pressure must have been generated on the government
22:41and they have very knee-jerk responses.
22:45And people say,
22:46it is possible that the caretaker
22:47has not committed theft,
22:49may be incompetent,
22:50may not have experience,
22:52may have made this decision by mistake.
22:54There are such knee-jerk responses.
22:56Now, when this thing
22:58will slowly open,
23:01it will be established
23:02that we were incompetent,
23:04we were thieves
23:05or
23:06there was a storm in the cup of tea.
23:08Okay.
23:09Mr. Haseeb,
23:10there was an incident in the court.
23:11Did you have a war of words
23:13with Mr. Anif Basi?
23:15No.
23:16You said something about Form 45 and 47.
23:18We have not said anything like that.
23:19We have not said anything like that.
23:21We want to score points
23:23from a skewed angle.
23:27I want to get your opinion.
23:28No, nothing like that.
23:29Because Mr. Anif Basi says
23:31that you had a conflict with him.
23:33No, nothing like that.
23:35I did not do anything like that.
23:38This is the end of the story.
23:39Let's move ahead.
23:40The thing is that
23:41the economic decisions,
23:43on those economic decisions,
23:45should be criticized on merit.
23:47Okay.
23:48That is being investigated.
23:49That will also be discussed.
23:50No, no.
23:51The public debate
23:52also has a responsibility.
23:53Maria, we and you…
23:54That's why I called you here.
23:55I am grateful.
23:56I am grateful.
23:57I am asking all these questions.
23:58I am giving a small message
24:00to each and every person
24:01of Pakistan through you.
24:03We are all claimants
24:04that we have descended
24:06on the Prophet of Allah.
24:08We believe in the Qur'an.
24:09Okay.
24:10The Qur'an has a specific direction
24:11for criticism.
24:14If a watchman,
24:16or a ruler,
24:18or an opposition,
24:19is criticizing us,
24:20then think about it.
24:21Sir, have you been called
24:22to the committee?
24:23No, I have not been called to the office.
24:24And if you are called,
24:25will you go there?
24:26Why not?
24:27Okay.
24:28But his report will come
24:29in a few days.
24:30Look, I am not a figure
24:31larger than life.
24:32I do not have
24:33an inflated ego.
24:34Yes, I am a senator.
24:35Okay.
24:36It is a legally
24:37constituted committee
24:38if it issues
24:39a legal notice.
24:40One of my objections
24:41to Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru
24:42was that if you were
24:43arrested,
24:44then you should have
24:45been arrested.
24:46So, if I get a notice today
24:47and I am told
24:48that you are a peer,
24:49then I will say
24:50with an open heart
24:51that I am not coming.
24:52Thank you very much.
24:53Senator Jawaharlal Nehru
24:54was with us.
24:55He was answering
24:56the questions
24:57about the Qur'an.
24:58We will go back to the break.
24:59The People's Party
25:00is going to join
25:01the government of Waqf.
25:02We will talk about this
25:03after the break.
25:06Welcome back.
25:07Is the Pakistan
25:08People's Party
25:09going to join
25:10the cabinet?
25:11We have seen
25:12some developments
25:13this month.
25:14This week,
25:15we met with
25:16Bilawal Butto
25:17Zardari.
25:18Apart from him,
25:19the process
25:20on the governors
25:21has been delayed.
25:22KPK and Punjab
25:23governors
25:24have been
25:25approved
25:26by the People's
25:27Party.
25:28One of them
25:29has already
25:30been appointed.
25:31Is the People's
25:32Party
25:33coming back
25:34to the government
25:35of Waqf?
25:36The news
25:37is that
25:38the People's
25:39Party has
25:40decided
25:41to join
25:42the government
25:43of Waqf.
25:44The People's
25:45Party
25:46has not
25:47announced
25:48anything
25:49yet.
25:50But the
25:51People's
25:52Party
25:53has not
25:54objected
25:55to this
25:56decision.
25:57The People's
25:58Party
25:59can get
26:008 ministries
26:01in Waqf.
26:02But the
26:03people
26:04of Waqf
26:05have
26:06not
26:07agreed
26:08to this
26:09decision.
26:10The
26:11people
26:12of Waqf
26:13have
26:14not
26:15agreed
26:16to this
26:17decision.
26:18The
26:19people
26:20of Waqf
26:21have
26:22not
26:23agreed
26:24to this
26:25decision.
26:26The
26:27people
26:28of Waqf
26:29have
26:30not
26:31agreed
26:32to
26:33this
26:34decision.
26:35The
26:36people
26:37of
26:38Waqf
26:39have
26:40not
26:41agreed
26:42to
26:43this
26:44decision.
26:45The
26:46people
26:47of
26:48Waqf
26:49have
26:50not
26:51agreed
26:52to
26:53this
26:54decision.
26:55The
26:56people
26:57of
26:58Waqf
26:59have
27:00not
27:01agreed
27:02to
27:03this
27:04decision.
27:05The
27:06people
27:07of
27:08Waqf
27:09have
27:11not
27:12agreed
27:13to
27:14this
27:15decision.
27:16The
27:17people
27:18of
27:19Waqf
27:20have
27:21not
27:22agreed
27:23to
27:24this
27:25decision.
27:26The
27:27people
27:28of
27:29Waqf
28:00People's Party has always been major in politics and we think that if we want to get this country out of crisis, then we have to get it out through political leadership.
28:10You can't get it out from outside. That's why Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari also said that he had the strength, he had more numbers, he got the premiership.
28:21But Zardari said in the joint session that there should be dialogue in the political forces.
28:26And two days ago, Chairman Bilawal met with the Prime Minister and these news came.
28:34Obviously, there was an insistence of his earlier as well.
28:38But in the beginning, I conveyed it as a result of the discussion of the Central Electoral Committee.
28:46Because the 16-month government of PDM, in which we were in coalition, there were some bottlenecks and hardships.
28:55So the leadership of the People's Party thought that we should give them total power to run the government and implement policies.
29:06We assure them that we will not let your government fall, we will support you.
29:14And the People's Party believes in the continuity of the system.
29:17So sir, as a result of that, you said in the beginning that you will support in voting, there is no danger of destabilizing the current government from your side.
29:24But are you revisiting the decision to come into the cabinet?
29:28Because earlier you categorically said that the ministries will not take it. Can this be revisited?
29:33See, anything can happen in politics. You can't rule out things.
29:40But the basic thing is that this decision will be taken by our Central Electoral Committee.
29:46The first decision not to take the ministries was also the decision of our Central Electoral Committee.
29:52And now the news is coming that the Prime Minister has again conveyed it to Chairman Bilawal.
29:59Obviously, if he has conveyed it to Chairman Bilawal, then this subject matter will come in CEC, there will be deliberations and discussions.
30:09And whatever decision will be made in CEC will be conveyed to the Prime Minister.
30:12But Mr. Bukhari, what has changed?
30:14Because when you were making the government, there was a lot of uncertainty at that time.
30:17At that time, taking the ministries of the People's Party, showing it to the government, and actively becoming a part of this government.
30:23Maybe at that time this thing would have been understood.
30:26Now that the government has started, what has changed at this time?
30:29What has changed, even if the decision to take the ministries had been made?
30:34See, one thing you must keep in mind.
30:38If there is no hesitation in the politicians, then there is no politician.
30:44In politics, there is absolutely give and take.
30:49And in the beginning, I said, we are not saying that we are coming to the government.
30:53Our CEC will decide again.
30:56CEC will evaluate.
30:59It will discuss all its pros and cons.
31:02Whether we should go or we should not go.
31:04This is one thing.
31:05So don't presume that we are going to make a decision.
31:09Sir, I just want to know why this discussion is happening again in CEC.
31:13If three months ago there was a categorical position.
31:16CEC has not happened yet.
31:17Okay, but you are saying that...
31:19Maria, CEC has not happened yet.
31:21Okay, fine.
31:22See, it's all presumptive now.
31:25That when they said to Mr. Chairman,
31:28obviously Mr. Chairman, his own Central Executive Committee,
31:34whose first decision, Mr. Chairman himself would not have made the decision.
31:39He will come back to CEC.
31:41CEC has not been convened yet.
31:44If CEC is convened, then there will be a decision in it
31:47whether we want to go to the government or not.
31:50All its pros and cons will be discussed in it.
31:52So let's see if at all the Prime Minister has requested Mr. Chairman,
31:58then obviously Mr. Chairman will bring that issue to his own Central Executive Committee.
32:02Okay, fine.
32:03But sir, if I ask from a political point of view,
32:06at this time, taking the ministries, becoming a part of the government,
32:10then all these things that you have said,
32:12which is the political burden of the last 18 months in the government,
32:16then the People's Party is mentally ready to bear that political burden.
32:21Because first you have to decide whether to pay its political cost or not.
32:24Then the decisions will be made.
32:26Look, this is a hypothetical question.
32:29Secondly, this is our internal discussion.
32:32We will have our internal discussion.
32:34Politics is done by Pakistan People's Party.
32:37It is led by the People's Party.
32:39And it will decide what is in the national interest and what is in the party's interest.
32:48We will make that decision.
32:49Okay, let's move a little further.
32:51At this time, there is a wave of wheat in the country.
32:54And it is obvious that the Welfare Government is putting it on the supervisory government.
32:59The supervisory government is putting it on the previous government before that.
33:02So this is still being investigated.
33:04The report has to come.
33:06But what is the situation with regard to the People's Party so far?
33:09Because you were also a part of the previous government.
33:12The supervisory government is putting all the blame on you.
33:14Look, in this, Pakistan People's Party, on Day 1, we had a chance.
33:23If you want to improve the economy of this country,
33:26then you should give incentives to your farmers.
33:29Protect their rights.
33:31Ensure their welfare.
33:34And the situation today is that you are not able to protect their rights.
33:41You have an agro-based economy.
33:43Maria, your motorcycle is not exported.
33:47But your rice is definitely exported.
33:50Your banana is definitely exported.
33:52At one time, your cotton was exported.
33:55But I think that if your exports increase,
34:00then there will be a balance of trade.
34:03That's why we think that if you neglect the farmer,
34:07then your economy will get worse.
34:10And we think that this was started by the People's Party in 2008.
34:14This issue, I said this earlier in another talk show,
34:21that on 1st May, Labor Day, I was also invited to a press club.
34:28So I openly said that there are laws and institutions in Pakistan.
34:33Why don't they fulfill their responsibilities?
34:35I had a big question mark.
34:37There was a question mark on the chairman of NAAP.
34:40If you have read the law of NAAP,
34:43then examine it.
34:45The chairman of NAAP could have taken cognizance of this issue
34:49on someone's complaint as well as himself.
34:51Because you see, this country is hostile.
34:55The country is hostile in such a way that you have ruined the farmer this year.
35:00Next year the farmer says that I will not harvest wheat.
35:03You don't have dollars.
35:05That you can import these commodities.
35:09The commodities that you can produce yourself,
35:12if you don't give incentives to them,
35:15if you don't protect their rights,
35:17then where will your economy go?
35:19What can be a bigger country than this?
35:21Then you ask for loans and pay salaries.
35:25Then you ask for loans and buy wheat.
35:27For God's sake, whoever did this,
35:31did it by the caretaker or did it before him?
35:34The news that is coming now,
35:36on 8th August,
35:38the summary was completely ignored.
35:44He said that we don't discuss this.
35:46The caretaker did it.
35:47It is a matter of cruelty.
35:49By the end of March and the first week of April,
35:53your wheat product comes into the market.
35:57You are importing it in March.
36:01It is also being reported in the media
36:04that you keep giving approval post-facto.
36:07Wheat will come first,
36:08you give approval later.
36:10I think what can be a bigger country than this?
36:13Moving forward,
36:15the last few questions.
36:16The judicial package that the government is talking about,
36:19which has to give an explanation,
36:21maybe the duration of the judges' appointment,
36:23their age should be increased,
36:25and as a result,
36:26a new reform is going on,
36:29the case of their resignation,
36:31the case of their expulsion,
36:33especially of the tenure of the Chief Justice.
36:35What is the position of the People's Party on this?
36:37Should it be or should it not be?
36:40The People's Party thinks that
36:44Parliament has the right to amend the constitution.
36:48If they come up with a proposal,
36:51then the People's Party will definitely examine it.
36:53Because Article 238 and Article 239 of the Constitution
36:58are there.
36:59Parliament has the right to amend the Constitution.
37:02And if the government brings it,
37:05but to enhance the age or not,
37:09it should not be person-specific.
37:11The People's Party has always been against that legislation.
37:14But for all times to come,
37:16if you want to enhance it,
37:18the age can also be examined.
37:21If a tenure can be fixed.
37:24But I think that
37:26it was introduced in the 18th Amendment
37:30regarding the Judicial Commission,
37:33the appointment of the Parliamentary Committee
37:35on the Judges' Appointment.
37:37And I had a recording before.
37:40Fortunately, I was the first chairman of the
37:43Parliamentary Committee on the Judges' Appointment.
37:45And our committee was
37:48trusted by Justice Sardar Chaudhary.
37:51We got a petition and
37:53undertook the decision.
37:55And that was the start.
37:57That's where nepotism started.
37:59That's where favoritism started.
38:01Because,
38:03you see the Constitution of America.
38:06In the Judges' Appointment,
38:08there is a role of the Parliament.
38:09So what will happen now?
38:10I want to know that
38:11in the Judicial package of the People's Party,
38:14if for the time being,
38:16the age of the Tainati is increased,
38:19from 65 to 68.
38:21Is the People's Party in favour of this?
38:24Is it against this?
38:25Is your position flexible on this?
38:27Or do you want to focus on this?
38:29Have you not thought about this?
38:31Now we will focus on this.
38:33Because practically and
38:36officially,
38:39we were not conveyed.
38:41This is a media talk of their law minister.
38:43Or their advisor.
38:45Let them convey to us.
38:47But should these principles be there?
38:49What do you think?
38:51Should these principles be there?
38:53See, I think that
38:55the Constitution,
38:57the one who has the power,
38:59should use his power.
39:02Let's see what is in the national interest.
39:05What suits us.
39:07That should be examined.
39:09And when you will be contacted,
39:11then you will think about this.
39:13For the time being,
39:14call it a flexible position.
39:15We will call it a flexible position in our CEC.
39:17Our parliamentary party will sit on it.
39:19So it is a flexible position of the People's Party.
39:21Is it right to say this?
39:23See, in politics,
39:25there is always dialogue,
39:27there is always flexibility.
39:29Right.
39:31Let me know.
39:33Arrogance leads to politics.
39:35And those who do politics with arrogance,
39:37you can see their end.
39:39Thank you very much.
39:41Mr. Nayyar Bukhari was with us.
39:43We were answering questions.
39:45In this regard,
39:47is there any suggestion from the government
39:49to increase the age of the Chief Justice
39:51and make it 65-68?
39:53He said that the position of the People's Party
39:55is flexible at the moment.
39:57We will go on a break.
39:59When we come back,
40:01we will have a concluding note.
40:03Stay with us.
40:05Welcome back.
40:07The whole nation should be proud of this.
40:09The Pakistani Chief Justice,
40:11Naila Kiani,
40:13has become the world's 5th tallest woman
40:15in Nepal.
40:17Naila Kiani has become the first woman
40:19in Pakistan to climb 8,000 meters.
40:21Prior to this,
40:23Naila Kiani has climbed K2,
40:25Nanga Parbat,
40:27Geshe Brum 1 and Geshe Brum 2.
40:29This is a very proud thing
40:31for the women of Pakistan
40:33and overall for the Pakistanis.
40:35Stay with us.
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