- 2/4/2024
Ahead of the biggest night in music, Billboard experts sat down and chatted all about their predictions, performances, snubs and more!
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00:00 (upbeat music)
00:02 - It's Grammy Sunday, I'm Tetris Kelly
00:07 here at Soho Warehouse in downtown Los Angeles.
00:10 We have a great show for you today.
00:13 With behind the scenes access, exclusive interviews
00:16 with nominees like Dom Dolla and Scott Hoying of Pentatonix.
00:20 Some hot performances, plus we'll talk to Billboard's
00:23 experts covering all things you need to know.
00:26 The biggest snubs, hottest genres,
00:28 and their picks in the top four categories,
00:30 including the highly competitive Best New Artist.
00:33 Oh, and by the way, we'll introduce you
00:35 to all eight Best New Artist nominees.
00:38 So let's run it down.
00:41 Welcome to Billboard Celebrates Music's Hottest Night.
00:44 First up are two of Billboard's most in the know
00:47 contributors, Katie Atkinson and Rania Niftos
00:50 to talk about some of the biggest moments in music this year
00:53 and what everyone is talking about going into the Grammys.
00:56 Hey ladies, how's it going?
00:57 Hey Tetris.
00:58 I love that you got the green memo with me, Katie.
01:00 That's right, sorry Rania.
01:01 I know, no one informed me.
01:03 You were not informed, but you guys
01:05 are the most informed in music.
01:06 So let's talk about this year.
01:08 Can't talk about it without the biggest tours.
01:10 Beyonce, Taylor, Erys Tour, Renaissance Tour.
01:13 How did that shape music this year?
01:15 You were at both the tours this year.
01:16 I did, I went to both.
01:17 I think Tetris did too.
01:19 Had a good time.
01:20 Basically, two of our biggest superstars
01:21 had their career defining tours this year.
01:24 And I think that that kind of goes into the Grammys
01:27 'cause it's like, who's gonna be next?
01:28 Whoever gets coronated as the big star after Sunday night,
01:32 maybe they're gonna have the big career
01:33 defining tour next year, right?
01:34 Absolutely, and I mean, Taylor was also having
01:37 a big year in nominations as well, correct?
01:39 Oh yeah, I mean, she's nominated
01:40 Album of the Year for Midnight's,
01:42 as we've already talked about.
01:43 And she's basically dominating the Grammys once again
01:46 as she does with every single album cycle.
01:48 Something that I really liked about her tour,
01:50 and I'm hoping that more artists do it,
01:52 and it seems like with Madonna and the Jonas Brothers,
01:54 there are already artists who are playing
01:56 on this eras thing, you know,
01:58 where they want to celebrate their discography
02:01 and the music that made them who they are.
02:03 And I hope that more artists look towards the future
02:06 to do something like that.
02:07 And we can't talk about women having a big year
02:08 without talking about the Barbie soundtrack.
02:10 I mean, Lizzo, Dua Lipa, Billie Eilish,
02:13 that soundtrack had bops on bops.
02:15 Yeah, I mean, first of all, the nominations,
02:17 it shows how it's not just in the soundtrack
02:20 for visual media categories,
02:21 it's also in the Song of the Year category,
02:23 in the Record of the Year category.
02:24 We've got Dua Lipa and Billie with noms up there,
02:28 and then Nicki Minaj and Ice Spice in Best Rap Song, too.
02:31 So it just touches every part of the Grammy story.
02:34 And we're talking about some of the great successes
02:36 of the year, but there was also some drama this year
02:38 with some snubs.
02:40 Oh yeah.
02:40 I mean, can we talk about it?
02:41 Like, BTS members needed Grammy nominations.
02:44 You all wanted to talk about it.
02:45 Like, what happened?
02:46 You know the Army is a vocal fan base,
02:48 and when those nominations were announced,
02:50 they all expected, I mean, we had two BTS members
02:53 get Billboard Hot 100 number one hits
02:54 for the first time on their own,
02:56 all in the Grammy eligibility period,
02:58 and yet, they're nowhere to be found in these nominations.
03:01 I mean, let's talk about those big hits.
03:03 We have Jimin with "Like Crazy."
03:04 He was the first solo Korean artist
03:06 to have a number one on the Hot 100.
03:08 Jungkook, of course, him featuring Lotto with "7."
03:10 Yeah, which was a radio hit.
03:11 Why do you think these could've been locked out?
03:13 Yeah, I mean, these are mainstream hits
03:15 that should've been considered,
03:16 and hopefully they were considered,
03:18 but it's a bummer they didn't make the cut.
03:19 Yeah, and I hope, you know, they, of course,
03:22 the BTS never gives up, the Army never gives up,
03:25 so I'm sure we'll see more of them in the next year,
03:28 and hopefully they'll get the representation
03:30 they deserve in the next Grammy.
03:32 I mean, don't get me started,
03:33 'cause J-Hope and J. Cole
03:34 should've been nominated as well,
03:36 but what other snubs did you guys notice?
03:38 Latin music.
03:39 Yeah, Latin, for sure.
03:40 Not at all in the big four categories,
03:42 which is shocking, because Latin has been taking over,
03:45 not only in the past year,
03:47 but just over the past five years,
03:48 that you're like, are we still not putting Latin music
03:51 in the top four category?
03:52 Yeah, especially after the huge years
03:54 for Carl G. and for Pesso Pluma,
03:56 and Carol actually did get a nomination
03:58 for the Ubana Musica, sorry for butchering that, category,
04:03 but I think people expected her songs
04:05 to get some nominations as well, and they didn't.
04:07 And I think that's shocking for me, too,
04:08 considering Bad Bunny had such a huge year last year,
04:11 being nominated for Album of the Year.
04:12 Yeah, it kinda felt like two snubs forward, two snubs back,
04:15 because we didn't see any of that representation
04:17 in the top this year.
04:18 And going into Music's Biggest Night,
04:20 what are you guys most excited for?
04:22 We've been talking a lot about Best New Artist,
04:24 and so I'm very excited to see who's gonna take that home.
04:27 Yes, absolutely.
04:28 'Cause two of my biggest obsessions this year
04:30 were Jelly Roll and Noah Kahn,
04:32 and they're both in that category,
04:34 and I want one of their songs.
04:35 What's Bunny XO gonna wear?
04:36 I know, and where's Bunny XO?
04:37 I wanna see her, that's what I'm looking forward to,
04:40 seeing Bunny XO at the Grammys.
04:42 I'm thrilled about SZA's night.
04:43 I hope she has a huge night.
04:45 She's performing, we just found out,
04:47 so it's gonna be, I think, her night, fingers crossed.
04:50 Well, thank you guys both so much for your knowledge,
04:52 as always, and I'll see you later.
04:53 Thanks for having us. Happy Grammy night.
04:55 We promised we would introduce you
04:57 to all the Best New Artist nominees, so let's get started.
05:00 First up, singer-songwriter Gracie Abrams.
05:03 (air whooshes)
05:04 ♪ Met you at the right time ♪
05:07 ♪ This is what it feels like ♪
05:11 (air whooshes)
05:12 (upbeat music)
05:14 (air whooshes)
05:15 (upbeat music)
05:17 I feel so close to my audience, it means so much to me,
05:20 and so I kind of automatically feel
05:22 just this overwhelming sense of gratitude.
05:25 Next up, we're going to dig deep into the big four,
05:28 the categories that gets everyone talking.
05:31 You know 'em, Record of the Year, Album of the Year,
05:33 Song of the Year, and Best New Artist.
05:36 Senior editor, Lindsay Havens, has it all covered.
05:39 Hey, Lindsay.
05:39 Hey, how's it going?
05:40 I'm loving the black, looking sleek and beautiful, girl.
05:42 Thank you very much.
05:43 Let's talk about a big takeaway,
05:44 which is that women dominated.
05:46 SZA has nine nominations.
05:48 Why was this such a big year for women?
05:50 I think that it has always been a big year for women.
05:52 A lot of my favorite music is made by women artists.
05:54 I think that this year, the Grammys is recognizing that,
05:57 and we're seeing it across the board,
05:58 specifically in these big four categories.
06:00 Well, do you think any women surprised you this year
06:03 that you didn't see coming?
06:05 Miley Cyrus.
06:05 I have been a Miley fan forever,
06:07 but again, I think the Grammys caught up,
06:09 and they're recognizing her across the board
06:11 for her album, Endless Summer Vacation,
06:13 and obviously her mega hit, Flowers.
06:15 Well, it's a party in the USA for me,
06:17 but Flowers was also a bop.
06:19 And let's talk about how they changed the categories
06:21 from 10 to eight.
06:23 Yes.
06:24 Do you think that's a good thing?
06:25 Yeah, so it went up to 10 for two years,
06:27 and we've brought it back down to eight,
06:29 which I think a lot of us are grateful for.
06:31 It just helps us focus a little bit
06:33 to see who actually did cut through,
06:34 who broke through the noise.
06:36 Obviously, it's hard to reduce
06:37 because so many artists are worthy
06:39 and make such great music throughout the year,
06:41 but in terms of the consumers,
06:42 people who are watching this show, tuning in,
06:44 it's really helpful to just focus on these eight names.
06:47 Yeah, I think 10 is a lot.
06:48 It is, yeah.
06:49 And something that used to confuse me
06:50 was actually Record of the Year and Song of the Year.
06:53 Yes.
06:54 So can you help kind of break that down
06:55 for those that don't know? You are not alone.
06:56 What are the difference in those categories?
06:58 So Record of the Year, the best way for me to think about it
07:00 is the most inescapable songs
07:02 that we heard throughout the year.
07:04 And then for Song of the Year, it's a songwriter's award.
07:07 You could think of it as a storyteller's award.
07:08 You know, the songs that tell you a story,
07:12 and it goes to the songwriter themselves
07:14 versus Record of the Year is for the artist.
07:16 Oh, interesting.
07:17 So, well, what songwriters do you feel like
07:18 told good stories, Lindsay?
07:20 Well, there's a clear front runner in my mind,
07:22 Billie Eilish and Finneas.
07:24 No surprise there with their Barbie song,
07:25 "What Was I Made For?"
07:27 It already took home a Golden Globe.
07:28 It's Oscar nominated.
07:29 The two of them just tap into something
07:32 so magical in the studio,
07:33 to the point where then as a listener,
07:35 we feel like we're in there with them.
07:37 So to me, that feels a bit obvious.
07:39 Again, "Flowers," that could be a front runner.
07:42 I think it helps for people who've heard
07:43 the demo version of that song.
07:45 Not that that's the one that's nominated,
07:47 but you can hear the intimacy behind that record,
07:49 which I think is really beautiful.
07:51 You're giving me some homework.
07:53 Well, Record of the Year,
07:54 who are some of the big nominees in that one?
07:56 All right, so Taylor Swift is a name
07:58 that often comes up there.
07:59 "Antihero," again, thinking about
08:01 the most inescapable music of the year.
08:03 That song was everywhere.
08:05 And then for me, the other one that goes hand in hand,
08:07 again, "Flowers," that song,
08:10 everywhere I turned, I heard it.
08:11 I did a really great piece with over 10 of her collaborators
08:14 sort of tracking how that album got made
08:16 on the summer vacation.
08:18 And one of the collaborators said
08:19 that they were out of the country for a week
08:20 and the only song that they heard was "Flowers."
08:23 Wow.
08:24 So I just think that it really has global reach.
08:26 And again, it's Miley's time.
08:28 I would love to see her take home one win this year.
08:30 That would be a big deal.
08:32 Yeah.
08:33 Now, a category that had me shook was Best New Artist.
08:35 Yes.
08:35 Because I mean, you look at that category
08:36 and you have pop, gospel, R&B, hip hop,
08:40 country all represented.
08:41 So like, how do you sift through that?
08:43 Like, who's a front runner there?
08:44 This is a category I'm very grateful
08:46 to go from 10 to eight for,
08:47 because just looking at these eight,
08:49 like you said, it's all across the board.
08:50 And in terms of age as well,
08:52 it's a really diverse group that we have here.
08:54 I would not be shocked if it went to Ice Spice.
08:57 I just think that she's had such a stellar year,
09:00 obviously collabed with Taylor Swift,
09:02 came out on an Eros tour stop,
09:04 just had a new song drop.
09:06 A bit divisive, perhaps.
09:07 It's interesting.
09:08 It's interesting, but top of mind right now.
09:12 But in terms of the names that have come up the most,
09:14 I do think the race is between Victoria Monet and Noah Kahn.
09:18 Well, who is your pick?
09:20 If I had to pick, I love Noah.
09:21 I think Noah's had such a phenomenal year.
09:24 He's an artist as well,
09:25 who has done a really good job at staying top of mind
09:28 with an album that came out a long time ago.
09:30 But that being said, for the last six years,
09:32 I believe a solo woman artist took home Best New Artist.
09:35 So we could continue down that road,
09:37 which if it's a woman, I won't be mad.
09:39 For me, I don't know.
09:40 I'm excited about Jelly Roll.
09:42 Yeah.
09:43 And also, Warren Treaty.
09:44 I think that's my number one pick for this category.
09:47 So if they were to win,
09:48 they would actually be the first married duo
09:49 to ever take home Best New Artist,
09:51 which would be really fun.
09:52 Oh my God, that's crazy.
09:53 And of course, the most important category,
09:55 Album of the Year.
09:57 Who's your front runner?
09:58 It has to go to SZA with SOS.
10:00 That album came out at the end of December.
10:02 And if you think about now,
10:03 we're at the beginning of 2024,
10:04 and it feels just as relevant, just as impactful.
10:07 I'm hearing those songs everywhere,
10:08 especially "Kill Bill," which is also nominated.
10:10 I just think she's so deserving.
10:12 And this album, we waited a long time for it.
10:14 And I really think she delivered.
10:16 But I also feel like there might be something historic
10:18 that could happen in Album of the Year
10:20 for people that may go by the name Swiftie.
10:22 Yes, you are very right.
10:23 If Taylor Swift wins for "Midnights,"
10:25 she will be the first artist
10:26 to win Album of the Year four times.
10:28 That's what, four Album of the Year trophies.
10:30 Yes.
10:31 Okay, well, I can't wait to see
10:32 which one of your predictions come true.
10:34 Yeah, hopefully at least one.
10:35 I'd be very happy about that.
10:37 Thanks for hanging out, Lindsey.
10:38 Thanks.
10:39 Let's get right into our second best new artist.
10:41 We have eight to show you.
10:43 And our next highlight is a DJ
10:45 who became a huge hit during the pandemic.
10:47 When people weren't able to go to the clubs,
10:49 he brought the club to them.
10:51 I enjoyed it.
10:52 Introducing DJ Fred again.
10:54 (upbeat music)
10:57 ♪ Everybody, everybody ♪
11:02 ♪ I will not stop, I will not stop moving ♪
11:06 ♪ I will not stop, I will not stop moving ♪
11:08 ♪ I will not stop, I will not stop ♪
11:11 We might be at Soho Warehouse,
11:13 but this isn't Soho's only iconic spot in LA.
11:16 And Wednesday night, we headed over to Soho West Hollywood
11:19 to soak in the amazing views
11:20 and the undeniable talent that is Janelle Monae.
11:24 (upbeat music)
11:26 We came to celebrate the age of pleasure
11:30 being nominated for two Grammys.
11:32 (crowd cheering)
11:35 Talk about excitement over first time nominees.
11:42 Dom Dolla had a huge 2023
11:44 and his first Grammy nomination proves it.
11:46 He's been lighting up festivals
11:48 and keeping us dancing all year long,
11:50 nominated for best remix recording
11:52 for his work on Gorillaz' "New Gold"
11:54 featuring Tame Impala and Booty Brown.
11:57 Our director of Billboard Dance
11:59 sat down with him to chat all about it.
12:01 - I wanna start with knowing exactly what you were doing
12:04 when you found out you were nominated.
12:05 - I was in bed, I woke up, checked my phone
12:10 and just started swearing.
12:11 It was a weird morning.
12:14 Honestly, back home in Australia,
12:16 it's like it's the award
12:18 that all of my Australian friends and families understand
12:21 as like the highest echelon of music.
12:24 So honestly, that's been the coolest part.
12:25 Like I was just back home in Australia
12:26 with all my relatives and they were like,
12:30 you know, bugging out over it.
12:31 - Sure, they understand how big what you do
12:34 that they may not understand on a day-to-day basis
12:36 has actually become.
12:37 - Yeah, like, don't you hear like, you know,
12:39 uncles and aunties at the Christmas dinner,
12:40 you're a DJ, right?
12:42 You know, so now like, oh, okay, it's like actually,
12:44 you know, you're doing pretty good
12:45 with the music production and songwriting and stuff, so.
12:48 (upbeat music)
12:53 - You're nominated for remixing Gorillaz' "New Gold."
12:55 Gorillaz is obviously a legendary act.
12:58 Did you feel any nervousness when you got the stems,
13:01 when you got the project about how to approach it?
13:04 - Yeah, I think that record in particular,
13:07 it had a top line or a vocal from Booty Brown,
13:11 Kevin Parker, Taemin, Pala.
13:13 It's not really something I wanted to half cook, you know?
13:16 So I actually went through probably like four or five
13:18 versions until I found a version
13:20 that I was really, really happy with.
13:21 And I actually played it,
13:23 had a chance to open with it here in Los Angeles at a show.
13:27 And I knew the second that I, I was like,
13:29 I'm feeling pretty confident about this.
13:30 You never really know though,
13:31 until you play it in front of an audience.
13:33 Yeah, I knew straight away.
13:34 I was like, this is, we're on, yeah.
13:36 That's generally my measuring stick.
13:37 - From dance to country,
13:39 we have to talk about one of the biggest genres
13:41 to take over the airwaves this last year.
13:43 From breaking records on the Billboard charts
13:46 to inciting some of the biggest conversations of the year,
13:49 country music is always entertaining.
13:52 Billboard's executive editor West Coast
13:54 and Nashville, Melinda Newman,
13:56 joins me now to talk all things country.
13:58 Thanks for coming.
13:59 - Hi, Tetris.
14:00 - Hi, now, country had this massive resurgence, okay?
14:03 So why do you think it's so hot right now?
14:06 - I think what happened is you had these younger artists
14:09 come into the format and fans don't care what genre is now.
14:14 If they're streaming, they just care if they like the song.
14:17 So you had artists like Morgan Wallen
14:19 with "Last Night."
14:19 You had artists like Luke Combs with "Fast Car."
14:23 Erlaine Wilson, and these songs just ignited fans
14:26 across all genres.
14:28 - And I mean, it showed on the all genres chart,
14:30 our Billboard Hot 100.
14:32 At one point, historically, I mean,
14:34 country songs were number one and number two on the chart.
14:37 Talk about that.
14:38 - It was really a watershed year
14:40 in terms of what was happening on the chart.
14:41 There were four songs that hit number one
14:44 that were country songs on the Billboard 100 this year,
14:47 and it was the first time that had happened
14:48 since the '70s.
14:49 - And do you think it was a lot of the conversation?
14:51 Because of course, some of these songs did come
14:53 with their share of controversy.
14:55 Do you think that has a lot to do
14:56 with that kind of high chart placement?
14:58 - Yes.
14:58 Some of these songs were propelled by controversy.
15:01 For example, Jason Aldean's "Try That in a Small Town."
15:04 That went to number one on both the Hot 100
15:06 and country airplay.
15:07 But for the Hot 100, it was really propelled
15:10 by his fans wanting to show their support for him,
15:13 so they actually bought that song.
15:15 The downloads on that song were huge.
15:18 So that was something else that factored
15:20 into country success this year.
15:21 - And now you gotta take the charts
15:23 and translate that into the Grammy Awards.
15:24 So with country having this tour a big year,
15:28 they're kind of left out of the Big Four categories.
15:30 Why do you think that is?
15:31 - It's a lot of factors,
15:33 and it really is annoying, quite honestly.
15:36 When you look at how well country did,
15:38 and then when you look at the Grammy nominations
15:40 in the Big Four categories,
15:41 Jelly Roll is the only mainstream country artist
15:44 nominated in the Big Four,
15:46 and that's for Best New Artist.
15:48 Warren Treaty are also nominated for Best New Artist,
15:51 but they're more Americana.
15:52 They're not necessarily mainstream country,
15:54 as wonderful as they are.
15:56 So there are a couple of reasons why this is happening.
15:59 One is that the votership
16:02 doesn't skew enough towards country.
16:04 So the Grammys need to bring in more country voters.
16:07 And there's still a perception a lot of the time
16:10 that country is just hillbilly music
16:13 and that people aren't really listening to it
16:15 and it's not the same quality.
16:16 And I think this year really showed that's not true,
16:19 and the Grammys just need to catch up.
16:21 - Well, I mean, the Grammys could be far behind
16:23 with this one because I would say
16:25 one of the biggest snubs I noticed was Morgan Wallen.
16:28 I mean, last night was the biggest song
16:30 on the Billboard Hot 100 this year,
16:32 but was not nominated.
16:33 What did you think of that snub?
16:34 - I think there's still a lot going on with Morgan.
16:36 I think there's some people that have not forgiven him yet
16:39 for the racial slur that was three years ago.
16:41 I think people are catching up with him in a lot of ways
16:44 and deciding if they wanna move on from that.
16:47 The song is nominated for Best Country Song,
16:50 but you're right, it's not nominated for Best Song overall.
16:52 And additionally, he has no nominations at all.
16:56 He did not write the song.
16:57 So he's completely blanked out.
16:59 And other than Taylor Swift,
17:01 he had the absolute biggest year last year of any artist.
17:05 - And I mean, do you think country's gonna continue
17:07 to kind of have this year?
17:08 Are you looking forward to the future?
17:10 - I think country is really on a roll right now,
17:13 and I don't see any stop.
17:14 It's bringing in new fans,
17:16 it's bringing in a younger audience,
17:18 and that's really what you need to do
17:20 to keep the lifeblood going.
17:21 So I don't see any stop in sight.
17:24 - Well, I love having you here.
17:25 I had so much fun in Nashville last time with you.
17:27 I feel like everybody there knows you.
17:28 So make sure you take me next time you go to Nashville.
17:30 - Deal.
17:31 - We'll catch up with Melinda a bit later in the show,
17:35 but let's keep the party going on in here
17:37 with our third Best New Artist.
17:39 This artist can't be stopped.
17:41 She's been topping charts,
17:42 collaborating with some of the biggest in hip hop,
17:44 and wrapping her way into a Best New Artist nomination.
17:48 She also has a song with a bodily function in the title.
17:51 Gotta love her.
17:52 Introducing iSpice.
17:54 ♪ In the hood I'm like Princess Diana ♪
17:56 ♪ I'm thick 'cause I bleed and oats ♪
17:57 ♪ Bitch not taking shit from me but no ♪
17:59 (upbeat music)
18:02 - Did manifest being successful.
18:06 I'm so happy I put in that time and that work
18:09 'cause it's paying off.
18:11 - Soho House stays on the pulse
18:13 of what's hot in entertainment.
18:15 And with Afrobeats taking over the Music Digest last year,
18:18 it's no surprise that right here at Warehouse
18:20 on Thursday night, they invited David O for the vibes.
18:24 (upbeat music)
18:26 Ever wonder what it's like to walk down
18:40 the Grammy red carpet?
18:41 All the lights shining on you,
18:43 your moment in the spotlight.
18:45 Nope, just me?
18:46 Well, here's your chance.
18:47 We're bringing you behind the scenes
18:49 to what really goes down on the red carpet.
18:52 Take a look.
18:53 So right behind us is the set at the Grammys
18:55 where we're gonna be interviewing all the big nominees.
18:57 - I am so excited.
18:58 - Yes.
18:59 - And look at this one.
19:00 - What?
19:01 Oh, the fashion's gonna be amazing.
19:02 Can't wait for it.
19:03 - I can't wait.
19:04 - So I was wondering, do we ask people to dress this?
19:08 - We can actually, and then we can also bring up
19:10 the other big deals.
19:11 - Oh, that, we could definitely bring up that.
19:13 I was wondering, what do you think
19:14 you're planning to do while we go?
19:15 - That's gonna be so cool.
19:17 We ended up getting this
19:18 'cause then we can tell everyone.
19:19 - Ooh, yes, yes, yes.
19:21 (upbeat music)
19:23 Speaking of fashion and the red carpet,
19:32 which I still don't think I'm prepared for.
19:34 - Me neither.
19:35 - Rania, who are you excited to see?
19:37 - I gotta say, I am so excited to see Miley Cyrus.
19:40 I love her, grew up with her,
19:42 and she seems like she's in this very chic,
19:45 fashion-forward era.
19:47 She's wearing Versace all the time.
19:49 She's got Dolce and Gabbana all the time.
19:51 Like, she's in this really cool,
19:53 fresh but classic Hollywood era.
19:55 - And I mean, Lindsey was talking about her earlier.
19:57 I didn't realize Miley was gonna be
19:59 like the it girl this year.
20:00 - Oh, 100, she's always the it girl.
20:01 Can we just be real?
20:03 I mean, speaking of it girls,
20:04 we have Taylor Swift also on the red carpet.
20:06 - Oh, my it girl.
20:06 - 100%, and one thing we know about Taylor
20:09 is she always dresses for the era she's in right now.
20:12 And I don't know about you,
20:13 but I'm kinda hoping for a reputation tease again.
20:16 - Oh, I need some reputation tease.
20:17 I would love to see her do the curls
20:19 from reputation era, maybe some snake stuff somewhere.
20:22 - I mean, she's gotta do snake skin at this point.
20:23 We're begging for it. - Please.
20:24 - We're begging for it. - We're pleading.
20:27 - And speaking of eras,
20:29 Dua Lipa's in her red hair era right now.
20:30 - Oh, she is.
20:31 - And she looks amazing.
20:33 Recently, she's been rocking the full monochromatic red,
20:36 and I'm wondering if she's gonna do the same at the Grammys.
20:38 - Dua Lipa always kills the fashion game.
20:40 - She really does, and she's nominated for Barbie.
20:42 So I'm actually kind of on the other hand
20:44 hoping she pulls a little mermaid Barbie moment.
20:46 - I was about to say she should do like a pink look.
20:48 - Right? - All the Barbie people
20:49 should do pink, including Billie Eilish.
20:50 - 100%, 100%.
20:51 I would love that, I would live for it.
20:53 Might as well close out the Barbie year
20:55 with something fun and fashion, right?
20:57 And Troye Sivan always brings it on the carpet.
20:59 - I wanna be Troye Sivan. - Right?
21:01 - I'm not confident enough to wear his looks,
21:03 but he always looks great.
21:04 - I mean, I wanna be Troye Sivan.
21:06 We gotta talk to him about that on the carpet.
21:07 We need fashion advice from him.
21:10 And Victoria Monet, she's having a big day at the Grammys.
21:13 - What?
21:13 - I mean, she's gotta bring the looks.
21:15 - I mean, when you have seven nominations,
21:17 you gotta show up prepared to show everybody
21:19 exactly who you are.
21:20 - 'Cause you know she's gonna get a lot of screen time.
21:22 - So much screen time.
21:23 - And lastly, Madison Beer,
21:25 the most beautiful person I've ever seen.
21:26 Doesn't even matter, she could wear a garbage bag
21:28 to the carpet and she'd be--
21:29 - She's gonna wear a garbage bag today.
21:30 - Right? (laughs)
21:32 And she would be the most beautiful person I've ever seen.
21:34 And I got some tea, we actually will be getting ready
21:37 with Madison Beer in her hotel,
21:38 so look for that on Billboard News.
21:40 - No garbage bag, I promise.
21:42 (both laugh)
21:43 - Well, thanks so much, Rania.
21:44 Speaking of fashion moments,
21:45 another person we can't wait to see
21:47 rock the red carpet is Coco Jones.
21:50 She is our next Best New Artist nominee.
21:52 If it feels like you've been hearing about her for a year,
21:54 well, it's because she's not new to the spotlight.
21:57 A former Disney star,
21:58 she is now taking the music world by storm.
22:01 Introducing Coco Jones.
22:04 ♪ And though we may grow, I don't know ♪
22:08 (upbeat music)
22:11 - I'm excited to make new memories.
22:15 I can't wait to bring my mom and for her to see,
22:18 you know, everything that we've been working for pay off.
22:21 - And bringing the vocals to Soho Warehouse today,
22:25 we got Scott Hoying of Pentatonix.
22:28 What's up, my man? - What's up, how are you?
22:29 - I am good. - So good to see you.
22:30 - You must be doing really well.
22:32 You're no stranger to the Grammys,
22:34 but five times nominated, three time winner,
22:37 and nominated again this year for Holidays Around the World.
22:40 So how does that feel?
22:41 - It feels unbelievable.
22:43 It's super surreal.
22:45 It's just, I'm so, I feel so lucky and honored
22:48 to just be here and be doing this
22:49 and to be celebrated by your peers in the music industry
22:53 is such a beautiful feeling and I'm honored.
22:56 - And you talked about, you know, other massive artists.
22:59 So who are you excited to see?
23:01 - Ooh, oh my gosh.
23:03 Well, I'm excited with everyone we're performing with
23:05 just to see them crush it.
23:06 I'm gonna just be on stage frozen,
23:07 just watching and obsessing.
23:09 And I'm excited to see Joni Mitchell perform
23:11 on the Grammys for the first time.
23:12 She is an icon, one of the best songwriters,
23:15 performers of all time.
23:16 And I just cannot wait to see her up there.
23:20 Her music is really special.
23:21 - And I feel like you have a little bit of an inside scoop
23:24 being in the industry.
23:25 So tell me how you approach,
23:27 like looking at the big four categories,
23:28 who do you think is gonna take home a lot of gold?
23:31 - Ooh, I think that Taylor Swift will take home a lot.
23:35 She is just--
23:36 - She tends to do that.
23:37 - She is just amazing.
23:38 Her songwriting, somehow this year
23:41 has been her best year yet.
23:42 I don't know how that was possible.
23:43 - None of us thought it was and here she is.
23:45 - And she has moved and just like really changed
23:49 a lot of people's lives.
23:50 And I think that if you can do that with music,
23:52 you're deserving of a win.
23:54 - And you talk about, you know, changing people with music,
23:56 your own solo stuff.
23:57 You were able to work on some solo projects this year.
24:00 So how was that?
24:00 What'd you learn about yourself?
24:02 - It was so amazing.
24:03 It's such an interesting, different process
24:04 when you're in a group, it's a, you know,
24:06 it's a collaboration, it's a combination of your stories
24:09 or your stories as a group.
24:11 And that's amazing and fulfilling and beautiful.
24:13 And then solo, it's like really, really vulnerable
24:16 'cause all of a sudden you realize like,
24:17 this is my personal story.
24:19 These are my solo words and it just feels a little bit raw.
24:24 I think that it was a beautiful therapeutic journey for me
24:27 to put my vulnerable self out there.
24:30 And it was also scary
24:31 and it was a growing learning experience
24:32 and I loved it so much.
24:34 And what's cool about Pentatonix,
24:35 I love that we all let each other do our solo things
24:37 so we can fill that cup and then bring it back to Pentatonix
24:42 and have those experiences to apply to the group.
24:44 And it's been a beautiful journey for sure.
24:46 - And bringing it back to your group, Pentatonix,
24:48 you guys got a star on the Walk of Fame in 2023.
24:51 That's wild.
24:52 - Wild.
24:53 - You know, completing your tour.
24:54 So what's next for you guys?
24:56 - I mean, that was such a crazy thing.
24:58 And what's next?
24:59 We are really trying to like get super creative
25:02 and do something bold and different for us.
25:05 Just find like a medium to apply what we do
25:08 and just no limits.
25:10 Like just stepping outside of the box
25:12 and doing whatever feels natural and we flow to.
25:15 And we're really excited.
25:16 - And you know, I think maybe there's something
25:18 you can tell me that you guys might be preparing
25:21 that you can tease a little bit.
25:22 - Yes, oh my gosh.
25:23 Mark and I wrote a children's book called "How Lucky Am I?"
25:27 And it's gonna be published May 21st.
25:30 It'll be out and we are just so proud of it.
25:31 And it was one of our first big creative projects together.
25:35 And it was such a beautiful experience
25:36 as we start this new chapter of our lives.
25:38 And I just can't wait for everyone to see it.
25:41 - Well, I can't wait to read it.
25:42 Well, I also know you have to get over
25:43 to the Grammys and perform.
25:44 So thanks for stopping by and hanging out with us.
25:46 - Thank you for having me.
25:47 It's always so good to see you.
25:48 - And though we are showing you how beautiful
25:50 Soho Warehouse may be during the day,
25:52 none of the crowd packing in these walls on Friday night
25:55 was expecting this epicness.
25:57 Secret Sound shocked members
25:59 with the soulful stylings of Summer Walker.
26:02 (soft music)
26:05 The Grammy celebrations don't happen all in just one night.
26:21 There is a week of parties leading up to the big event.
26:24 The brightest stars come out to party, schmooze,
26:26 and celebrate their achievements.
26:28 All with a cocktail or two in hand.
26:31 Billboard was at all the festivities.
26:33 Take a look.
26:35 (upbeat music)
26:38 (upbeat music)
26:41 Girl, I am tired just re-watching all of that,
27:06 but now I have Melinda Newman back.
27:08 She's been inside some of the biggest Grammy parties,
27:11 including one that happened just last night,
27:13 the Clive Davis party.
27:14 How are you still standing?
27:16 - My theory is by the time the Grammys roll around,
27:19 you should be exhausted.
27:20 - Well, we're working really hard
27:21 to make sure that happens.
27:23 I need an espresso martini.
27:24 But before that starts, I want to play a clip
27:27 from our recent interview with Justin Tranter
27:29 explaining just how epic the party actually is.
27:32 - The Clive Davis party the night before the Grammys
27:36 is a legendary event,
27:38 and I do not take it lightly that I get invited.
27:42 I've been invited, I think, like six years now,
27:46 and every year I can't believe that I get to go.
27:49 It's like the Grammys, but like private.
27:52 You know what I mean?
27:53 It's like that level of performances.
27:55 Sometimes the performances are even more special
27:58 because it's so much more intimate.
27:59 A lot of people leave that party early
28:04 'cause they have other things to go to,
28:06 and they're, I don't want to say jaded,
28:07 they've just been in it so long.
28:09 I, every year, can't believe that I get to go,
28:13 and so I sit my little gay ass down
28:16 and watch the whole show and cheer and applaud,
28:19 and it's amazing.
28:22 That's kind of my favorite event every year.
28:24 - Okay, so we just saw Justin's take on the party.
28:27 Were they right?
28:28 - The thing about Clive's party
28:30 is you never know who's going to be there.
28:32 You can walk in right beside Tom Hanks,
28:35 or Sylvester Stallone, or Bruce Springsteen,
28:38 and that's what makes it such a magical night.
28:40 - And I mean, Melinda, I've been on the carpet before,
28:42 but I've never been inside the party.
28:44 What about the performances?
28:46 - The performances are great,
28:47 and Clive always tries to mix it up.
28:50 So you usually have someone who is brand new
28:52 that he wants to introduce to the room,
28:54 and then you have someone classic
28:56 that he's had a long relationship with,
28:58 like a Barry Manilow or a Gladys Knight.
29:01 So it's always a perfect mix.
29:04 - That sounds so fun.
29:05 One day I hope to be like you.
29:06 Let's continue the fun with our next best new artist.
29:09 Melinda, this one you are very familiar with.
29:12 Country superstar Jelly Roll had a huge year.
29:15 You even interviewed him for a Billboard cover.
29:17 - He is so wonderful,
29:18 and he's making such an impact on people's lives
29:21 with his songs, with his honesty.
29:23 He just testified before Congress
29:25 about the fentanyl problem.
29:27 So he's really an artist that's having an impact
29:29 on the charts and with people and resonating with them.
29:33 - That guy is just a big ball of love.
29:35 Gotta love him.
29:36 Without further ado, introducing Jelly Roll.
29:39 ♪ I only talk to God when I need a favor ♪
29:45 - I wanna make people feel the way this makes me feel,
29:54 because I've just always been hyper-focused
29:56 on the feeling of music.
29:58 - This year, the Recording Academy added
30:00 three new categories to the 2024 Grammy Awards,
30:03 including Best African Music Performance,
30:06 Best Alternative Jazz Album, and Best Pop Dance Recording.
30:10 To break down all three categories
30:12 and talk about some of the nominees in each one,
30:14 our director of Billboard Dance, Katie Bain.
30:17 That's a lot of information you gotta break down for me.
30:19 - Well, let's do it.
30:21 - I'm ready to jump into it.
30:22 So why does a new category get added to the Grammys?
30:26 - It's really a response to demands in the market
30:29 and the evolution of genres themselves.
30:31 For example, with Best African Music Performance,
30:35 obviously Afrobeats, Amapiano in the last few years
30:38 has become globally huge.
30:40 The Grammys didn't have a category for that specifically.
30:43 Many critics think that this category is long overdue,
30:46 but it's also coming at the exact right time
30:48 because we've seen the rise of artists like Burna Boy,
30:51 David O., and it would make sense for the Grammys
30:54 to now acknowledge this super popular global genre.
30:58 - And when it comes to the dance category specifically,
31:00 why do you think that one was asked for?
31:02 - There's long been a divide
31:04 within the dance music community
31:05 about how dance music is acknowledged at the Grammys
31:08 because there are so many different types.
31:10 So it's hard to compare a, let's say Skrillex track
31:14 with an Apex twin track with a David Guetta track
31:17 with a Swedish House Mafia track.
31:18 We're essentially talking about
31:20 very different styles of music.
31:22 They all fall under the dance umbrella,
31:24 but one is dance pop, one is experimental, one is bass.
31:28 And so it wasn't really accurate
31:31 and it made for some really strange bedfellows
31:33 for these songs and albums to be in the same category.
31:37 And so this new one is really being celebrated
31:39 as a win for the dance music community.
31:41 - And to throw you a curve ball,
31:42 'cause I'm just going from my own personal knowledge,
31:44 I remember being excited when Britney Spears' "Toxic"
31:46 won in the dance category.
31:47 So is this new switch kind of reacting
31:51 to kind of these pop divas versus maybe the DJs?
31:54 - It's essentially that,
31:56 because when Britney Spears won for "Toxic,"
31:59 it was also in the era when the Electronic Awards
32:01 were nominating Lady Gaga, they were nominating Madonna,
32:04 but at the same time, you would have those pop stars
32:06 next to an artist like the Chemical Brothers.
32:08 So it was, again, sort of this strange mix of artists
32:10 that didn't necessarily belong in the same genre,
32:12 but the Grammys didn't really have anywhere else
32:15 to put some of these songs.
32:16 And so this division creates a space
32:19 for the Kylie Minogues of the world,
32:21 for the David Guettas with the Bebe Rexes of the world.
32:25 They're, essentially, they're pop songs,
32:27 but they, of course, are produced by dance artists
32:28 and they have a dance backbone,
32:30 and it leaves space for people like Apex, Twin, and Skrillex.
32:33 - And is the community reacting well to the new category?
32:36 - Extremely well.
32:37 People are really happy,
32:38 because not only it gives a division
32:40 among the categories, among the genres,
32:42 that has long been needed,
32:44 but it gives dance music much more recognition.
32:46 You're getting five more artists, five more songs,
32:49 and so it's just raising the genre profile
32:52 at the awards in general.
32:54 - Well, I know you have to have a favorite,
32:56 so what do you think about the nominees,
32:58 and who are you pushing for?
32:59 - It's probably gotta be "Pa-Dom Pa-Dom."
33:00 It's gotta be Kylie. - I love that song.
33:01 - That song was a huge hit.
33:03 Everybody loved it, and so that's my choice.
33:05 - I feel so much smarter now.
33:07 Thanks, Katie.
33:08 Pa-Dom Pa-Dom, indeed.
33:09 - Pa-Dom Pa-Dom to you, Tetris.
33:10 Thank you.
33:11 - Our next Best New Artist has been praised
33:13 for his honest lyrics and down-to-earth personality,
33:16 giving folk music a pop twist
33:18 and bringing it to the mainstream.
33:20 Introducing Noah Khan.
33:23 ♪ Sure I thought that if I had something good ♪
33:25 ♪ And all my bad ♪
33:28 - I feel so fulfilled making this music.
33:36 It's been really challenging, but really cool,
33:38 and it's an opportunity and an experience
33:39 that not all artists get.
33:42 - We can't end the show without talking about
33:43 a music genre that's having a huge resurgence.
33:46 In fact, two of the Best New Artist nominees
33:48 are R&B artists, is making a comeback in a big way.
33:52 Hello, Usher.
33:53 We also just celebrated 50 years of hip hop.
33:56 We're so pleased to welcome Gail Mitchell,
33:58 Executive Director of R&B and Hip Hop,
34:00 to talk about some of the biggest things
34:02 that happened this year.
34:03 Hey, Queen.
34:04 - Hey, how are you doing?
34:05 - How's it feel having this big year in R&B?
34:07 - It's just great.
34:08 I was thinking about it coming over here,
34:10 and it's a bumper crop, you know?
34:13 And you hate to say that it's the 2024,
34:15 and why are we saying this should be the norm
34:17 and not the exception, but it's just been a great,
34:20 great year in R&B with Coco Jones,
34:24 one of the Best New Artists, as you said,
34:26 Victoria Monet.
34:27 These are women who kept their eyes on the prize
34:29 in the genre, starting young,
34:31 writing, doing different things,
34:33 Coco doing Disney shows and movies in Bel Air,
34:36 then you got Victoria Monet writing
34:37 with Ariana Ferrari and Igrani and stuff,
34:40 but they always had this singular vision
34:41 of being singers in their own rights,
34:45 and here they are.
34:46 Coco, a first-time nominee with five.
34:49 Oh my God.
34:50 - And Victoria Monet with seven nominations.
34:53 What do you feel like it is about her
34:54 that kind of resonated with everyone?
34:56 - Well, she understands everything from inside out,
34:59 especially on the creative side,
35:00 the whole songwriting process,
35:02 and she found her voice working with Rodney Jerkins
35:05 early on and then working with D. Mile on Jaguar II.
35:09 She just is able to zone in,
35:11 and she's got the experience of writing
35:12 for an Ariana Grande and other artists in the past,
35:15 and internalizing that,
35:18 as well as finding her own song in that
35:21 and branching out.
35:22 So, yeah.
35:23 - And then you have these new artists like this.
35:25 I don't know if you saw the conversation
35:26 on the Breakfast Club,
35:27 where they were kind of comparing SZA to Mary J. Blige.
35:31 Do you think there's a difference
35:32 in this new crop of R&B women
35:34 and some of the legends that we know?
35:36 - Well, I think a lot of times people,
35:38 well, they always want to categorize everything,
35:40 and yeah, there's the Arethas and the Chakas,
35:43 and that of the time,
35:45 that was one kind of R&B and soul,
35:47 when soul music really took off,
35:49 the Marvin Gayes, that kind of thing.
35:50 I don't like to compare somebody to somebody else
35:54 because there's a lot of lanes.
35:55 I think that's what people aren't understanding
35:57 about today's R&B.
35:58 It's colorful.
35:59 There's alt R&B.
36:00 You don't have to.
36:01 There's R&B with the hip-hop lean,
36:03 like Mary J. Blige.
36:05 There's just different nuances
36:06 that I think people need to just open their ears
36:09 and listen and just see just how much of a gumbo
36:12 there is out there for every taste in the genre.
36:16 - And R&B's obviously having a big year.
36:17 Hip-hop always has an amazing year,
36:20 but we also celebrated 50 years of hip-hop this year,
36:22 so how was that?
36:23 - It's tremendous.
36:24 The genre that everybody dismissed as a fad
36:27 and it's not gonna last,
36:29 and then every year it would be like,
36:30 it's not gonna last,
36:31 and then here we are 50 years later,
36:33 and it's lasting,
36:34 and it's still doing great guns with the streaming
36:37 and the popularity of the genre globally.
36:41 - And from R&B to hip-hop and back to R&B,
36:44 how excited are you for Usher at the Super Bowl?
36:48 - I am so excited.
36:49 I think the whole world is super excited.
36:51 I think a lot of people,
36:53 I've interviewed him several times,
36:55 and he said people sometimes,
36:57 everybody has their ebbs and flows,
36:59 and maybe certain albums didn't sell
37:01 as well as other albums,
37:02 but he still hung in there and had a lot to show,
37:05 and I think with the two residencies
37:07 over the last three years
37:08 between the Coliseum at Caesars Palace
37:11 and Dolby Live at Park MGM,
37:14 there's a renewed resurgence.
37:16 He's the, I won't say the king of R&B
37:18 'cause you've got Michael
37:20 and other folks out there and whatever,
37:21 but he really did rep for the genre.
37:24 He's always rep for the genre.
37:25 He hasn't, and again,
37:27 as you asked me earlier about different,
37:29 there's different R&B.
37:30 He's experimenting, working with Lotto,
37:32 working with different people,
37:33 so I think it's gonna be tremendous.
37:35 My concern is how do you fit 30 years--
37:38 - So many hits.
37:39 Did you see the Vegas show?
37:40 - Yes.
37:41 - Oh my goodness. - How do you fit those songs
37:43 in 12, he told me it's 12 to 15 minutes he has.
37:46 I don't even, I couldn't even begin.
37:48 - Like I can't imagine how you consolidate
37:50 even the Vegas show into 15 minutes.
37:52 Like it's gonna be wild.
37:53 - Exactly.
37:54 - I can't wait.
37:55 Well, thanks so much.
37:55 I always learn so much hanging out with you, Gayle.
37:57 - Same here.
37:58 - Speaking of R&B, our next new artist
38:00 is already an R&B superstar.
38:02 She first hit the scene in 2014 with her debut album,
38:06 but was better known for her role behind the scenes
38:08 writing hit songs for Ariana Grande, Blackpink, and more.
38:13 Up for seven Grammy Awards in total,
38:15 now it's Victoria Monet's time to shine.
38:18 ♪ I put that on my mama ♪
38:22 ♪ On my hood ♪
38:23 ♪ I put that on my mama ♪
38:26 ♪ On my hood ♪
38:29 ♪ I put that on my mama ♪
38:32 ♪ On my hood ♪
38:34 ♪ I put that on my mama ♪
38:37 ♪ On my hood ♪
38:40 ♪ I put that on my mama ♪
38:43 ♪ On my hood ♪
38:45 ♪ I put that on my mama ♪
38:49 ♪ On my hood ♪
38:51 - Oh my God, obviously, see you tonight.
38:53 Hey, it's a bad idea, right?
38:55 It's gonna be a good idea.
38:56 - Good idea for Olivia Rodrigo
38:57 to be performing at the Grammys this year.
38:59 I'm so excited.
39:00 She always does an incredible job,
39:02 and we got a lot of classic performers going on this year,
39:04 too. - Yeah, like you two.
39:05 - Billy Joel.
39:06 - Billy Joel is gonna be so exciting.
39:07 - 100% as a New Yorker,
39:09 I gotta shout out to my hometown guy, Billy Joel.
39:12 And then we also have Joni Mitchell, which is iconic.
39:15 - So crazy to have all these icons performing.
39:17 I feel like that would make me nervous as a newcomer.
39:19 - I mean, the newcomers are bringing it, too.
39:20 We got Burna Boy, Luke Combs.
39:23 I mean, even SZA, we can argue,
39:25 is like in her new prime right now,
39:27 and they're doing great.
39:28 They're taking over music.
39:30 - And taking over the crypto.com arena is Travis Scott.
39:33 How are we feeling about him taking the stage?
39:35 - I mean, one thing about Travis Scott,
39:36 he definitely knows how to bring a show.
39:38 I feel like we're gonna get pyrotechnics.
39:40 We're gonna get visuals.
39:41 We're gonna get rap.
39:43 We're gonna get the whole big, you know,
39:45 aesthetic that we want from a big Grammy show.
39:48 - Travis is always gonna bring the party.
39:50 I'm also really excited to see my friends
39:52 War and Treaty at the show,
39:54 so let's end with our final best new artist.
39:57 They're some of my faves.
39:58 The real-life couple first met in 2010
40:01 when they both played at the same festival.
40:03 They've gone through a couple of name changes,
40:05 but have officially left their mark
40:07 with songs inspired by soul and gospel.
40:10 Last, but certainly not least,
40:11 introducing The War and Treaty.
40:14 ♪ And heartbreak will always stay ♪
40:18 ♪ And never say goodbye ♪
40:21 - So much love from the fans
40:29 and people who are just now discovering us,
40:31 and we're just so amped up about it.
40:33 - So, Rania, what are you looking forward to most?
40:36 - I mean, I want Taylor Swift
40:37 to win Album of the Year again.
40:38 I just really do.
40:39 - I mean, I hate to steal your answer, but same.
40:41 I'm just gonna be on constant Taylor Swift watch all night.
40:44 It's kind of my job.
40:45 Are you ready to hit the red carpet?
40:47 - I sure am.
40:48 - Let's go celebrate music's biggest night, but first--
40:51 - Cheers! - Cheers!
40:52 - Cheers!
40:53 - Oh yeah, needed that.
40:57 Don't know how that's gonna work
40:58 with me being on the carpet in just a few hours,
41:01 but thank you so much, guys,
41:02 for joining us to celebrate music's hottest night
41:05 right here at Soho Warehouse in LA.
41:07 I'm your host Tetris Kelly,
41:08 and we can't wait to see you on the red carpet,
41:10 so head over to Billboard.com for all your Grammy updates,
41:13 and we'll have you covered after the big night
41:15 with everything you may have missed.
41:17 So see you on the carpet, bye.
41:19 - Bye. - Yes.
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