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The Garden Report goes live following the Celtics game vs the Rockets. Catch the Celtics Postgame Show featuring Bobby Manning, Josue Pavon, Jimmy Toscano, A. Sherrod Blakely, and John Zannis as they offer insights and analysis from Boston's game in Toronto.

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00:00:00 [MUSIC PLAYING]
00:00:03 Can you say hard hats, folks?
00:00:07 Hard hats, lunch pail, steel tool, boots.
00:00:09 Anything short of a championship this year is a failure.
00:00:12 Look at this boomer right here.
00:00:13 You've just got so much talent here.
00:00:16 Somebody said we need to apologize for Jaylen.
00:00:18 Can I pull the John?
00:00:19 What are we apologizing for?
00:00:20 What did we say?
00:00:21 What did we do?
00:00:22 [MUSIC PLAYING]
00:00:26 [MUSIC PLAYING]
00:00:30 All right, folks.
00:00:34 Another one in the books.
00:00:36 Another one in the books, this time over the border,
00:00:40 up in Toronto, the Celtics with a win over the Raptors 105
00:00:44 to 96.
00:00:45 A little entertaining game on a Monday.
00:00:48 Happy MLK Day to everybody watching from home.
00:00:51 And Celtics, this was a good one from,
00:00:55 I would say, from start to finish Bobby.
00:00:58 They allowed the third quarter comeback,
00:01:00 as they've been known to do, but not to the point
00:01:03 where things got out of hand and they started to reel.
00:01:05 Again, this one without Jaylen Brown,
00:01:07 who missed out this game.
00:01:09 They're calling it a right knee.
00:01:11 You can call it rest, whatever you want to tell yourself
00:01:14 to get to bed tonight.
00:01:15 But Jaylen Brown missed this one,
00:01:17 and we'll hope to see him back out there Wednesday.
00:01:19 But they didn't need him at the end of the day.
00:01:21 No Brown, no problem.
00:01:23 Led by the guards.
00:01:25 How about that tonight?
00:01:27 Leading scorers for the Celtics, Derek White and Drew
00:01:30 Holliday with 22 apiece.
00:01:32 Holliday added seven assists.
00:01:33 I thought this was one of his better games,
00:01:35 not just because of the stats, but I just
00:01:37 think with Jaylen Brown out, you look for guys like Holliday,
00:01:40 who we've talked about in the past, who's got that--
00:01:43 probably more of a sacrifice that he's
00:01:45 made this year than the other guys in the starting lineup.
00:01:48 And he sees an opportunity to step in when there's a vacancy,
00:01:51 if you will, and he fills it.
00:01:53 And that's, I think, the mark of a championship team,
00:01:56 when guys are stepping into these roles on a pinch,
00:01:58 on a moment's notice, and they're able to overcome that.
00:02:01 So Bobby, just to start with you, because you are--
00:02:03 or you were--
00:02:04 I don't know if you've formally--
00:02:06 Mr. Toronto.
00:02:07 --on Toronto as your Team B. You can tell us if you have or not.
00:02:12 But they used to be--
00:02:13 back in the original days, the OG days of the Garden Report,
00:02:18 you were maybe one or two most popular guys
00:02:21 in Toronto for a bit.
00:02:22 Yeah, and I'll ride with them.
00:02:25 I'm going to see it through the rebuild here.
00:02:27 And I do think the rebuild's coming.
00:02:30 Eight straight wins--
00:02:31 See it through the rebuild.
00:02:32 [LAUGHTER]
00:02:33 Good guy.
00:02:35 Eight straight wins for the Celtics now over Toronto,
00:02:38 which would have been hard to imagine a couple of years ago.
00:02:41 But this team's obviously disbanding here,
00:02:43 but you still see them fight.
00:02:44 I think it was a three-point game in the first Toronto game
00:02:47 this year these teams played.
00:02:48 The Celtics really had to scrap and execute late in that game.
00:02:52 And same thing here--
00:02:53 a couple of big runs by the Raptors to within six late.
00:02:56 The Celtics led by 11 early and gave up a 23 to 5 run
00:03:01 into the third.
00:03:02 So they never stopped.
00:03:03 Attack in the basket, new dynamic,
00:03:05 obviously, with Quickly and Barrett involved.
00:03:08 Those slashing guards were just super effective
00:03:11 at points through this game.
00:03:12 I think Barrett started like eight for 11.
00:03:15 So this was a pretty impressive effort by both of them.
00:03:19 I think the shooting was just horrible on the Toronto side.
00:03:22 So pretty amazing that despite shooting 12% from three,
00:03:26 they stay in this game right down to the wire.
00:03:29 That's on their rebounding.
00:03:30 That's on their effectiveness inside.
00:03:32 Siakam puts a lot of pressure on the rim.
00:03:35 And this is a rough one for Porzingis
00:03:37 trying to deal with that.
00:03:38 And he turned the ball over a bunch on offense, too.
00:03:41 So you needed Holiday.
00:03:42 You need White to make some timely plays.
00:03:44 It was just a ridiculous three in the corner
00:03:47 to close that one out.
00:03:48 Ahead by six, I believe, at that point.
00:03:50 So he was great.
00:03:52 That was after turning his ankle, too,
00:03:54 putting his foot down in the corner,
00:03:55 making sure he was in bounds.
00:03:57 A great pass by Tatum there.
00:03:59 Some good execution in this game in the half court
00:04:01 when the Celtics needed it.
00:04:02 Thought Tatum was good in the second half of the third attack
00:04:05 in the basket.
00:04:06 Holiday, as you mentioned, Jimmy threw out just in the pocket,
00:04:10 around the basket with a putback.
00:04:12 Passing, he had that feed to Tatum for the backdoor
00:04:15 cutting dunk at one point.
00:04:17 And he puts up these stats, honestly, night to night,
00:04:19 Sherrod.
00:04:21 You don't even notice it, right?
00:04:23 It's like, oh, crap.
00:04:24 Holiday has seven rebounds.
00:04:25 I looked up tonight and was like, he has seven assists?
00:04:27 When did that happen?
00:04:29 I feel like we say that every night with him.
00:04:31 Well, we do.
00:04:32 And the thing about Drew that I'm getting a better handle,
00:04:36 and I think most people are as well,
00:04:38 is he has games where you're just like,
00:04:42 maybe he's lost a step or two.
00:04:43 Maybe his shot isn't quite what it is.
00:04:45 And then there are nights like this where a key guy is out,
00:04:48 and he's allowed to essentially be more of the Drew Holiday
00:04:51 that we've seen on other rosters.
00:04:53 And he's really good at when to basically fill that void when
00:04:59 they need him.
00:05:00 Basically, what Paul Pierce always says,
00:05:01 give the game what it needs.
00:05:03 And that's what Drew Holiday consistently does.
00:05:05 But Bobby, your earlier point about how Toronto can't believe
00:05:11 how they were able to hang in here shooting
00:05:13 as bad as they were, the Celtics were helping them.
00:05:16 Because the Celtics are not like crap, too.
00:05:17 Celtics shot 40% from the field.
00:05:20 Great for three-point range.
00:05:21 41%, that's a good number from three-point range.
00:05:25 But you start looking at the box scores of the Celtics.
00:05:29 Tatum, 7 for 19.
00:05:30 Al, usually 4 for 10.
00:05:33 Derek White, 7 for 18.
00:05:35 Drew Holiday was the one bright spot, 7 for 14.
00:05:38 And the bench really didn't have a good--
00:05:40 I mean, Brissette did some good things, I thought.
00:05:42 Sam Hauser, not really much of a factor.
00:05:44 Payton missed six of the seven shots that he took.
00:05:47 This was a game that I thought the Celtics--
00:05:49 this was a transactional win for me.
00:05:51 It was simply, we show up, we get the win,
00:05:53 we get the help back to the United States.
00:05:58 There wasn't any type of emotional engagement
00:06:01 or attachment to this.
00:06:02 I didn't think the Celtics played down to them.
00:06:04 I didn't think the Celtics got up for them.
00:06:06 I think the Celtics just said, let's just get here,
00:06:08 get the win, and get the hell back home.
00:06:09 Yeah.
00:06:10 And they did it the hard way, right?
00:06:12 Because if you play this team later in the year,
00:06:14 it's probably young guys.
00:06:15 And I guess in this one, too, you went up
00:06:17 against Jaunte Porter.
00:06:18 OG's gone.
00:06:19 You saw some of their young guys playing off the bench there.
00:06:22 But this is still a team that has Siakam, Barrett, Quickly.
00:06:27 You know those guys with the Knicks
00:06:29 gave you trouble every time you played them.
00:06:31 So you got their best in, I'd say,
00:06:33 three out of the four games this year.
00:06:35 And you won all three of those.
00:06:37 So this is impressive stuff from the Celtics,
00:06:39 continuing to execute when they need to.
00:06:41 I like Joe's two timeouts in the fourth quarter, Sherrod.
00:06:44 He saved all four for late, and he needed them.
00:06:47 Again, some of those Raptors runs late.
00:06:48 The offense at times in this one was just a mess.
00:06:52 Holliday had that turnover at half court.
00:06:54 You had poor Zingas running into guys over and over again.
00:06:57 I think he had six turnovers in this one.
00:06:59 Tatum missed a lot of jump shots.
00:07:02 You mentioned Pritchard.
00:07:03 All the way down the line, it just
00:07:04 wasn't a great shooting night.
00:07:05 And they really weren't able to get up a lot of threes.
00:07:07 This is normally a team that's closer to 50.
00:07:09 They finished this one with 39.
00:07:11 And you knew right from the start, Jimmy,
00:07:12 they went 15 to 8 in terms of shots in Toronto's favor
00:07:16 early on, just because of turnovers,
00:07:18 because of extra shot opportunities by the Raptors
00:07:22 in this one.
00:07:22 It's a great rebounding team.
00:07:24 So they put a lot of pressure on you there,
00:07:26 9 to 5 on the offensive glass.
00:07:28 So this is always a challenge against this team.
00:07:32 I think this new coach is doing a good job there,
00:07:35 despite a transitional roster.
00:07:38 Quickly is just a really tough guard
00:07:41 to deal with, Schroeder can get by mismatches.
00:07:44 So this is a bad team on paper.
00:07:46 But they play tough, possession of possession in the game.
00:07:50 I thought Barnes had some really nice moments in this one, too.
00:07:53 So I like this win a lot.
00:07:55 This is another road game where you just
00:07:57 battled and pulled it out late.
00:08:00 There's a lot of good stuff here up and down.
00:08:01 We can get into some of the other individual performances,
00:08:05 starting with Holiday here, of course, White.
00:08:08 I feel like he's not playing as well recently,
00:08:10 but he's still playing really well.
00:08:12 It's just he was playing out of this world to start the year.
00:08:14 And then Horford, I thought this might have
00:08:16 been his best game of the season.
00:08:18 So some really good contributions
00:08:19 from some of the depth guys here.
00:08:21 Horford with a couple of timely shots in this game
00:08:25 in the second, a couple of big threes and key moments.
00:08:27 And we haven't really mentioned Porzingis' ability to get
00:08:30 to the free throw line tonight.
00:08:32 That was honestly a big difference maker, because that
00:08:35 happened, a few of those did happen
00:08:38 in the middle of the Raptors making that third quarter run.
00:08:40 I just think Porzingis' ability to sort of reset things,
00:08:45 slow it down a little bit, don't want the Raptors get too,
00:08:47 too hot.
00:08:48 Because that's when a guy like Quickly, no pun intended,
00:08:51 but he wants to get out.
00:08:52 He wants to keep things moving.
00:08:53 He can score in bunches.
00:08:54 I was thinking of you, Jimmy.
00:08:56 They slowed the game down into that third quarter,
00:08:58 the later half of the third quarter.
00:09:00 And the Raptors just went dead.
00:09:02 I mean, when they were out on the run, they were deadly.
00:09:05 When it became a half court game,
00:09:06 the Celtics had a significant advantage.
00:09:08 Exactly.
00:09:09 And I think, again, getting to the line,
00:09:11 driving to the hoop, not taking those--
00:09:12 and I thought Tatum did it a couple of times tonight,
00:09:14 but overall it kept it in check.
00:09:16 But sometimes those threes can--
00:09:18 you live by the three, you die by the three.
00:09:20 If you're missing, if you're not hitting those threes,
00:09:22 you're just allowing the Raptors to get out on the break
00:09:24 and do their thing in transition.
00:09:26 Luckily, I think Porzingis was one of the guys that
00:09:29 was able to recalibrate the team a little bit
00:09:31 on the offensive end, slow it down,
00:09:32 let the Celtics regain that lead,
00:09:34 and then they were able to kind of pull away in that fourth.
00:09:36 I know, was it Hauser that kind of hit the dagger shot there
00:09:40 to go up maybe, I think it was 13 or 14
00:09:43 in that fourth quarter?
00:09:44 So just their ability to be able to come back from that,
00:09:48 it's a sign of growth, in my opinion.
00:09:51 And again, we talked about Holiday starting things off
00:09:55 in Brown's absence, and then Porzingis
00:09:58 being able to do his thing.
00:10:01 This is the difference between maybe a loss last year
00:10:03 and tonight's outcome.
00:10:04 How many times have we said that?
00:10:06 Yeah.
00:10:07 They've had at least seven, eight, nine games
00:10:10 like that so far this year, where you know damn well
00:10:13 if the same situation presented itself a year ago,
00:10:16 we would be bitching and moaning about a bad loss.
00:10:20 And they're finding ways to-- and this was a game, again,
00:10:22 Toronto game.
00:10:25 It's so cliche to talk about it being a game of runs,
00:10:27 but this was really a game of runs,
00:10:30 where Boston will be up by 14, and then Toronto
00:10:33 going to run and go up by seven, and Boston
00:10:34 will go back on their run and go up by 10.
00:10:36 And it was that kind of game.
00:10:39 And those kind of games, the Celtics at some point
00:10:42 in the past have just said, forget it, it's just not
00:10:44 our night.
00:10:45 And tonight, they were just like, no, we're just
00:10:47 going to find a way to win this game,
00:10:49 and it's just going to be another transactional victory
00:10:51 for us.
00:10:52 We're going to come here, we're going to play with them,
00:10:54 they're going to keep it kind of close.
00:10:55 We're not going to be perfect, but we're
00:10:57 going to be perfect enough to get the win.
00:10:59 And the point that both you and Jimmy, you and Bobby made,
00:11:01 that I think is key, is they hit timely shots.
00:11:05 And it wasn't just one guy.
00:11:07 Tatum had his moments, Prezinga had his moments,
00:11:10 Hauser had his moments, Al had his moments,
00:11:11 Drew had his moments.
00:11:12 That's what great teams do.
00:11:14 They have multiple guys that can deliver the dagger
00:11:18 or can deliver the final nail in the coffin, so to speak.
00:11:21 And the Celtics, you saw a lot of that down the stretch
00:11:23 in this game.
00:11:24 Yeah, when we just ran here.
00:11:25 I just feel like it takes a full 48 to beat this team.
00:11:28 I think teams like the Raptors and teams
00:11:30 that have sort of been close in the sense of coming
00:11:33 into that fourth quarter when things change,
00:11:35 they're starting to learn that.
00:11:36 And I think when it comes to, obviously,
00:11:38 Tatum taking over the way he did in the third quarter,
00:11:40 taking a match to his own hands makes a difference.
00:11:42 But the Celtics, the Raptors did a really good job
00:11:44 of just disrupting them and protecting their rim.
00:11:46 Celtics, they were-- they missed nearly more, actually,
00:11:49 than one third of their layups.
00:11:51 They were like, what, 7 to 23 in the paint.
00:11:53 Is Toronto--
00:11:54 [INAUDIBLE] shot falling.
00:11:55 But no, Celtics were--
00:11:57 Toronto was awful from deep.
00:11:59 But the Celtics missed a lot of layups.
00:12:01 I thought that's what really kept Toronto in it,
00:12:03 despite the fact that they were so ice cold from behind the arc.
00:12:06 The way they defended Christophe Zingas, I thought,
00:12:09 was key as well.
00:12:10 But the Celtics--
00:12:10 Yeah.
00:12:11 Toronto, 4 of 32.
00:12:13 I didn't even--
00:12:15 Yeah.
00:12:15 --look that number.
00:12:16 That is--
00:12:16 Yeah, Derek White missed a--
00:12:17 That is next level bad.
00:12:18 Derek White missed a huge layup, and then he
00:12:20 made a big three on the other end, like what Sherrod said.
00:12:23 Other guys stepping up as well after Tatum.
00:12:25 That's what really put the nail in the coffin for the Raptors.
00:12:28 Now, Bobby, you had mentioned earlier off the top
00:12:31 that the rebuilds coming for Toronto,
00:12:34 they just made a pretty big trade, I would say,
00:12:36 borderline franchise-altering type trade here,
00:12:39 I mean, to some extent, with trading OG to the Knicks
00:12:42 and taking back Barrett and--
00:12:45 quickly.
00:12:46 I imagine they didn't do this so that they
00:12:47 could rebuild in a couple years.
00:12:49 What is it about those two players
00:12:51 do you think that made Toronto make that trade?
00:12:56 And do you think they got enough for OG?
00:13:00 Or was it just a win-win on both sides?
00:13:03 I go back and forth on it.
00:13:05 The problem for Toronto is those two players
00:13:08 are about to be expensive.
00:13:09 RJ already signed a big extension,
00:13:11 quickly needs one this summer.
00:13:13 So it's not--
00:13:14 But they must want to pay them, right?
00:13:15 I mean, they wouldn't--
00:13:16 Yeah.
00:13:16 And they probably like them.
00:13:18 They probably want to invest in them.
00:13:20 And they needed a point guard badly.
00:13:22 I mean, Malachi Flynn and Dennis Schroeder
00:13:25 wasn't getting it done for them after Lowry left a couple
00:13:27 years ago.
00:13:28 There's your Schroeder hate.
00:13:29 We knew we were going to get it.
00:13:31 We knew we were going to get it.
00:13:32 But they probably love quickly.
00:13:34 I think there's some Tyrese Maxey-like elements
00:13:38 to his game.
00:13:40 They're not exactly the same player.
00:13:41 But giving him more opportunity and room to play
00:13:44 is, I think, a good thing for him.
00:13:47 And you just had to get off OG and get something back for him.
00:13:50 I think they got a second round pick from Detroit
00:13:52 in that deal, too.
00:13:53 So that's a borderline first round
00:13:55 pick in a couple of years, you'd have to imagine.
00:13:58 So it was decent value.
00:13:59 I know they were looking for four first at one point
00:14:02 for him of value.
00:14:03 And that just wasn't happening.
00:14:05 And then his free agency comes up.
00:14:06 And it's like, oh, crap.
00:14:07 So I think, given that he's an expiring contract,
00:14:10 they did really well.
00:14:11 Same thing's going to happen for Siakam here.
00:14:13 Indiana's apparently in the mix.
00:14:15 Dallas.
00:14:17 Detroit's looking at him.
00:14:19 I mean, they want to get a cornerstone guy in there.
00:14:23 It's just so bad right now that the slow road's not
00:14:26 going to go great for them.
00:14:27 So I'm interested to see who makes the big push.
00:14:29 It seemed like the Kings were on the doorstep of a deal
00:14:33 a week or two ago, built around Harris and Barnes
00:14:37 and probably some draft compensation.
00:14:38 But they backed out because Siakam
00:14:40 wasn't going to extend there.
00:14:42 So will he extend in some of these other cities?
00:14:45 Does he want to stay in Toronto?
00:14:47 I mean, it's the only city he's ever been in.
00:14:49 I think he's a great fit up there in terms of the city.
00:14:52 So I don't know.
00:14:54 I don't know what he wants.
00:14:55 He's a great player.
00:14:56 He's a champion.
00:14:58 Dallas, I think, would be a really nice landing spot
00:15:00 for him.
00:15:00 I think that would be huge for them.
00:15:02 Yeah, and they're playing great right now.
00:15:05 Grant is not.
00:15:06 So they need that help at the four.
00:15:07 Oh.
00:15:09 He said it.
00:15:09 He admitted it.
00:15:10 Your boy Grant had like one good month.
00:15:13 And after that, it's been suspect.
00:15:16 It's been crickets.
00:15:17 Team Grant has been quiet.
00:15:18 Southfix play them on Monday.
00:15:20 Would not be shocked if the Raptors put together
00:15:23 a package that has Grant coming to Toronto.
00:15:26 Grant's getting to Pascal.
00:15:27 That'd be interesting.
00:15:28 And Pascal going to Dallas.
00:15:29 Because to me, when I look at that Dallas roster
00:15:32 and I look at Kyrie and Luca and potentially Pascal
00:15:37 added to the mix, they become a top tier team in the West.
00:15:40 They become a legit--
00:15:42 because to me--
00:15:43 You're going to need to send a lot more than Grant then.
00:15:46 You are.
00:15:47 Absolutely.
00:15:47 And you're going to have to deplete that bench.
00:15:49 But if your core is Kyrie, Luca, and Pascal,
00:15:55 look at their victory in terms of complement each other.
00:15:57 Not just the talent, but just the way
00:15:59 they complement each other.
00:16:01 You don't have three guys that are going to be stepping
00:16:04 over each other's foots.
00:16:05 Kyrie has the ability to play on and off the ball.
00:16:07 Same thing with Luca and Pascal.
00:16:09 Remember when he first came to the league,
00:16:11 he was just Mr. Energy.
00:16:13 Just that guy--
00:16:13 He was in G League.
00:16:15 What's that?
00:16:15 He was a G League guy.
00:16:16 After that, Jimmy.
00:16:17 After G League.
00:16:18 Well, I mean, I feel like he had to earn his place that way.
00:16:21 After he got on the floor in the NBA,
00:16:22 his whole game was about energy and hustle.
00:16:25 And then as time moved on, he became a better face
00:16:28 up shooter.
00:16:29 He became a better rebounder.
00:16:30 He became a better overall defender
00:16:33 and didn't just rely on just being a high energy guy.
00:16:35 Add a guy like that to the mix in Dallas,
00:16:38 you got a team that, again, they're
00:16:39 a top tier team in the West if they can make that happen.
00:16:42 Dallas does have some salaries to throw around.
00:16:44 Tim Hardaway at 18.
00:16:46 Hardaway?
00:16:46 Raquan Holmes at 12.
00:16:48 And if you're a rebuilding team like the Rocco,
00:16:50 if you can get some of those guys on expiring deals
00:16:53 or if their contracts are manageable money wise,
00:16:57 you might have something there.
00:17:00 Because if you're rebuilding, you're just trying to find guys.
00:17:02 You're just trying to find things that click.
00:17:04 You're just trying to find guys that are--
00:17:05 [INTERPOSING VOICES]
00:17:07 Yeah, picks and clicks.
00:17:09 What's clicking with these guys that we're bringing in?
00:17:12 These picks, can we do something with them?
00:17:15 But we've talked way more about Toronto than I--
00:17:17 [LAUGHTER]
00:17:18 Yeah, and that was talking to Sharad.
00:17:20 Well--
00:17:20 This is Bobby Cole.
00:17:21 It's a conference team.
00:17:23 It used to be a rival.
00:17:25 I guess not anymore.
00:17:26 They're not a rival now.
00:17:27 No.
00:17:28 As Bobby--
00:17:28 Used to be a division rival, Sharad, back when
00:17:31 the divisions mattered too.
00:17:32 Divisions don't matter anymore, J.
00:17:34 I know, sad.
00:17:34 I kind of miss the divisions.
00:17:35 Division rivalries.
00:17:37 I bet you they go back to them someday.
00:17:38 Maybe they should do that for the in-season tournament.
00:17:40 There you go, Bobby.
00:17:41 Now you're thinking, tie it back in somehow.
00:17:44 Nah.
00:17:46 Nah, whatever.
00:17:46 Instead of Orlando.
00:17:47 And I guess there were a couple of teams
00:17:49 in the division, Brooklyn and Toronto,
00:17:51 in the group for the IST.
00:17:52 But let's see.
00:17:54 I guess winning the IST, given how it's gone for the Lakers,
00:17:57 isn't the best thing.
00:17:58 Exactly.
00:17:59 Yeah.
00:17:59 I guess none other than--
00:18:00 Raise that banner, though.
00:18:02 Every team that wins it is bad luck.
00:18:04 Is that going to be a thing, though?
00:18:05 Yeah.
00:18:06 I forget who told this--
00:18:08 I forget who told this story.
00:18:10 But I guess Larry David was like,
00:18:13 the worst thing the Lakers could do
00:18:15 is win the in-season tournament.
00:18:17 And whoever was talking to him was like, why?
00:18:18 And he's like, you're ramping up.
00:18:21 It's the championship.
00:18:23 And then you're right back in the regular season games.
00:18:25 And it's weird, because normally you'd
00:18:27 be doing that for the playoffs, and then the season's over.
00:18:31 But now it's like you're starting a second season again
00:18:33 after that.
00:18:34 And the Lakers have their own issues.
00:18:35 But it's going to be interesting to see how teams coming out
00:18:39 of that fair-- the Celtics, obviously, bowed out early.
00:18:42 And they've now won 16 of 20 since getting that week off.
00:18:47 So I was obviously very upset that they didn't make it.
00:18:49 But maybe they benefited from it, Jimmy.
00:18:52 Yeah, well, if Larry David said it, then--
00:18:54 I mean, who knows more about the NBA than Larry freaking David?
00:18:58 I'm like, you talking about the curve of your enthusiasm?
00:19:01 I'm Googling Larry David, or is he
00:19:03 like a GM of some team that I don't know about?
00:19:05 No, Larry David's from--
00:19:06 Larry damn David.
00:19:07 Is there a writer I don't know about?
00:19:09 Is he athletic?
00:19:10 Yeah.
00:19:10 [HUMMING]
00:19:11 Larry David.
00:19:11 [LAUGHTER]
00:19:13 No, but to your point, Bobby, yeah,
00:19:14 we can go back and forth on if it was a question or not.
00:19:16 That's such a Larry David way of thinking, too.
00:19:18 Yeah, exactly.
00:19:19 Larry David's just going to be pissed no matter what, right?
00:19:21 That's the whole point.
00:19:22 Exactly.
00:19:23 So of course he's upset.
00:19:24 That's his brand.
00:19:25 Yeah, exactly.
00:19:25 He's like, come on, now.
00:19:26 He dropped a season every three years because of that.
00:19:29 He's got to ramp up.
00:19:30 Yeah, so--
00:19:31 You have a new season coming out.
00:19:32 Yeah, so we talked Raptors.
00:19:34 We just talked Lakers.
00:19:35 But we'll reel it back in here to the Celtics.
00:19:38 Can we talk Al Horford?
00:19:39 Because I was so excited about it, too.
00:19:40 Let's talk Al.
00:19:41 You know what?
00:19:42 Let's give Al his flower, because he probably
00:19:44 gets a short end of the stick on a lot of these shows.
00:19:47 Banished to the bench to start the year.
00:19:49 Talk about sacrifice, Drew Holiday.
00:19:51 And he was struggling early in the season.
00:19:52 It was very--
00:19:53 Sure, trying to adapt to that new role on the team.
00:19:56 He's been a starter his entire career.
00:19:58 And he's coming in here, again, in a situation
00:20:01 where you're down a starter.
00:20:03 We said this about Drew Holiday to start the show.
00:20:06 That's right.
00:20:07 Al Horford, double-double tonight for the young Bucs
00:20:11 still.
00:20:12 10 points, 11 rebounds, a couple big threes.
00:20:15 I mean, Sharad, you've been following Horford's career
00:20:18 for, gosh--
00:20:19 Ever.
00:20:20 --over a decade now.
00:20:20 We'll just call it forever.
00:20:22 Yeah, I mean, are you surprised by--
00:20:24 Yeah.
00:20:24 No, I'm not surprised.
00:20:26 I mean, Al has always been a guy that
00:20:29 has been good enough to help you win games.
00:20:33 Remember, this is a guy that won not one, but two
00:20:36 back-to-back national championships.
00:20:38 And when he was in Atlanta, a team that, when he got there,
00:20:44 playoffs were something they did every now and then.
00:20:46 He did it every damn year he was there, they were in the playoffs.
00:20:49 So Al, I'm not surprised that he's stepping up to the belt.
00:20:52 But the one thing-- and I've talked to him about this season--
00:20:56 is just the adjustment that comes
00:20:58 when you get to a certain point in your career
00:21:00 where you have to evolve.
00:21:02 And when we think of evolution, we
00:21:04 think of evolving into something bigger, better, and grander.
00:21:07 But sometimes that evolution is evolving
00:21:09 into something more specific from a niche standpoint
00:21:12 that your team needs you to be.
00:21:15 They need Al to be ready and able to impact games
00:21:19 just like that.
00:21:20 And that has to occur on nights like this
00:21:23 when you don't have a Jalen Brown, where he's in the starting
00:21:26 lineup.
00:21:26 You're playing a team like Toronto that doesn't really
00:21:29 have a whole lot to lose.
00:21:31 You've got to make an impact in some way, shape, or form,
00:21:33 a positive one, if your team's going to win.
00:21:37 This is just who he is.
00:21:39 This is who Al Horford is.
00:21:40 Now, is he going to play this well every night?
00:21:42 I don't think so.
00:21:43 But you know that it's there.
00:21:45 And it's similar to what I was saying about Drew Holiday.
00:21:47 Sometimes those older veteran-type players,
00:21:52 we see the true essence of who they
00:21:54 are when someone's missing.
00:21:55 Because that forces them to tap into that wisdom,
00:21:58 that experience, that talent that they
00:22:00 might be holding a little bit back in order
00:22:02 for the betterment of the team to now all of a sudden
00:22:05 shine through.
00:22:05 I think back to what Prezing has said about Drew Holiday,
00:22:08 about how he has sacrificed more than anyone else in his team.
00:22:10 And you don't really see that.
00:22:12 Because when you're watching him play,
00:22:13 when they got their full complement,
00:22:15 he looks like he's just kind of fitting in.
00:22:17 But when you're missing a Jalen Brown,
00:22:19 he goes for 22 points, shoots 50% from the field,
00:22:23 4 for 6 on threes, makes all his free throws,
00:22:26 gets you 6, 7 assists, I think 6 rebounds, something like that.
00:22:30 Had a really all-across-the-board, high-impact
00:22:34 game.
00:22:34 And he has that ability.
00:22:37 It's just that we're not going to see it as often as I think
00:22:40 it could be seen.
00:22:41 Because that's not what the team needs for him to do in order
00:22:44 for them to be successful.
00:22:46 Yeah, for sure.
00:22:46 And I think you'll see him ramp it up for sure
00:22:48 in the postseason.
00:22:49 That's just what Al does.
00:22:50 Like literally, historically speaking,
00:22:52 his numbers go up in the playoffs.
00:22:53 And--
00:22:53 He's trying to get that ring.
00:22:55 I don't think this year will be any different.
00:22:57 Yes, his role has changed a bit.
00:22:58 But that's something that he's adapted to, in my opinion,
00:23:01 for these opportunities.
00:23:02 Has his game changed, Josue?
00:23:03 Or is his game--
00:23:05 over the last couple of years.
00:23:07 Clearly, it's obviously changed from the beginning
00:23:09 of his career to now.
00:23:09 It's completely different.
00:23:11 Right, I mean, ever since he--
00:23:11 With his role change, I mean, I feel
00:23:13 like they're still getting the same guy.
00:23:15 They're asking him to do the same things,
00:23:17 get in the same spots, take the same type of shots.
00:23:20 Right.
00:23:20 He's just going to take less shots
00:23:21 because there's other guys out there that
00:23:23 can knock down shots, right?
00:23:24 I mean, when someone's out in the starting 5,
00:23:26 he's going to obviously give you nights like tonight.
00:23:29 But also, he can have these kind of nights on any given day.
00:23:32 I just feel like throughout the course of an 82-game season,
00:23:34 he knows that it's a long, long road.
00:23:37 And I wouldn't be shocked again if Al turns it up
00:23:39 closer to the playoffs, going into the playoffs.
00:23:42 But these type of nights--
00:23:44 so they'll take that, for sure.
00:23:46 I mean, at this stage of his career,
00:23:48 these are the kind of nights--
00:23:50 this is the kind of role that I think Al can thrive in.
00:23:52 Yeah, sometimes it's hard for him to kind of pick his spots
00:23:56 because there's so many guys around that can knock down
00:23:58 shots and can produce as well.
00:23:59 But when his name is called, he's going to do this.
00:24:02 And again, I think in the end of the season,
00:24:05 going into the postseason, he'll take it up a notch.
00:24:08 He was awesome in this game.
00:24:09 There are certain nights, Jimmy, where he just looks-- maybe it
00:24:12 was the rest last week and getting some extra time off.
00:24:15 He looks super spry on certain nights.
00:24:18 And tonight was one of them.
00:24:20 He was all over guys defensively early,
00:24:22 just knocking the ball out of people's hands.
00:24:24 The rebounding in this one, obviously, pretty high.
00:24:27 And then he went to the post at one point.
00:24:31 And I've noticed that a little bit over the last couple
00:24:33 of games he's played, he'll go to a small inside
00:24:37 and do that little quick hook off the glass overhead.
00:24:40 And I looked at the numbers.
00:24:42 He's up a little bit in terms of those attempts at the rim,
00:24:46 up from like 1 to 1 and 1/2 a game.
00:24:48 He's shooting 70% on them, up from 65 last year.
00:24:52 So that's big, because ever since that Philly season
00:24:54 has steadily gone down in terms of what
00:24:57 he does at the basket, volume and efficiency.
00:25:01 And you just thought, oh, he doesn't have that anymore.
00:25:03 But that's a useful option if you're
00:25:07 in a little bit of a drought or there's
00:25:08 an advantageous matchup there.
00:25:10 They always say, Joe always says, go to the matchup.
00:25:13 And that's something that they can go to, I think.
00:25:15 And then on the defensive end, that zone tonight
00:25:17 was just a killer.
00:25:19 And they threw that out there against Indiana
00:25:21 last week in the first game.
00:25:23 Tonight, it was just so disruptive.
00:25:25 After that big Raptors run, they shut Barnes down
00:25:28 on a few plays with it, got some deflections.
00:25:31 You had Al and Cornette out there at one point
00:25:33 doing it together.
00:25:34 I think Porzingis and Cornette were out there
00:25:37 with the double big alignment.
00:25:39 Just have some size.
00:25:40 And you got Holiday playing in the middle.
00:25:41 It's a weird look.
00:25:42 Sure, I haven't seen too much 2-1-2 in the league.
00:25:45 But the Celtics have gone into that look
00:25:48 with Holiday in the middle.
00:25:49 So you can defend low and high and just kind of roam out there.
00:25:53 And then you have the two bigs down low.
00:25:54 So Indy kind of carved it up in the second game.
00:25:58 But it was great against them in that first game.
00:26:01 And then tonight, it just completely shut the Raptors
00:26:03 down for a little bit.
00:26:04 It just forces opponents to have one more thing they
00:26:07 got to think about in their preparation for the Celtics.
00:26:09 And it's something that I don't think it's--
00:26:12 to me, it's more of a gimmicky type of thing,
00:26:14 where you'll do it for maybe two or three possessions.
00:26:16 Just throw something out there, give them a different look.
00:26:18 Just like Al getting the ball on the block.
00:26:22 I want to see Al do at least three post-ups a game.
00:26:25 He doesn't have to shoot all three times.
00:26:27 He doesn't have to pass all three times.
00:26:28 Because he passes out of that spot.
00:26:29 Right.
00:26:30 But I want him to do that, because it forces the defense
00:26:33 to react in a way that there's no other Celtic that they're
00:26:36 going to react that way for.
00:26:37 Porzingis can score on a block, but that's not really
00:26:39 what he does.
00:26:41 Al can literally go down, put one foot in the paint, one out,
00:26:44 and demand the ball and get it to him.
00:26:46 Porzingis is different.
00:26:48 But Al-- like I said, I just think Al is one of those guys
00:26:52 that little things are going to be huge for this team
00:26:56 to win a championship.
00:26:57 And something as simple as Al getting two or three touches
00:26:59 in a post per game, even if he's not looking to shoot,
00:27:02 even if he doesn't pass, that's one of those things
00:27:04 that they're going to need.
00:27:05 They're going to need that.
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00:30:17 Shut up, Jimmy.
00:30:20 As we speak, it's still close.
00:30:23 It's still close.
00:30:24 It's 18 to 9.
00:30:26 Wait, was there a safety or something?
00:30:28 Was it just 16 to 9?
00:30:29 It was 16 to 9.
00:30:31 Oh, it's still close, huh?
00:30:32 It's 18 to 9.
00:30:33 There was just a safety.
00:30:35 So that should tell you how things are going.
00:30:36 Listen, I'm doing well.
00:30:38 You know why I'm doing well?
00:30:39 Why are you doing well?
00:30:40 I'm doing well because I was one of the few, but proud,
00:30:45 who went against the Cowboys and picked the Packers.
00:30:49 Well, you had to go against the Cowboys as an Eagles fan.
00:30:52 I could have stood on the sidelines, Jimmy.
00:30:54 I could have stood on the sidelines.
00:30:55 But I said, you know what?
00:30:57 Green Bay doesn't lose in that building.
00:30:59 Cowboys are doing-- this is exactly what the Cowboys do
00:31:01 every year.
00:31:02 12 and 5, 12 and 4.
00:31:04 Lose before--
00:31:06 That was shocking, though, to lose like that.
00:31:08 I mean, they just start running out of the building.
00:31:10 There are a lot of words to describe.
00:31:11 It's kind of like the Celtics game 7 against Miami there.
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00:31:29 Yeah, I know, but I'm just anticipating
00:31:31 if they just gave up a safety, that means the Bucs
00:31:34 are about to get ball back, probably
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00:32:19 We're going to wrap the show with a little bit more
00:32:21 football talk.
00:32:21 I don't want to say what it's about yet,
00:32:23 but we did have some late-breaking news right
00:32:25 before the show started about the NFL.
00:32:29 I'm not going to get into specifics,
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00:32:35 Great tease, Jimmy.
00:32:36 Great tease.
00:32:36 Before we do that, we will reel it back in here.
00:32:39 Let me get back to my--
00:32:40 let me go through 1,000 of these lower thirds
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00:32:44 Here it is.
00:32:46 Bring everybody back around here and recap quickly.
00:32:50 105-96 Celtics win after a big win against old friend Ime
00:32:55 Udoka Saturday night.
00:32:57 And I wasn't able to be on that show.
00:32:59 But it looked like the Celtics rebounded very nicely
00:33:02 from their embarrassing loss in Milwaukee.
00:33:05 And they kind of handed the Rockets a similar type of loss.
00:33:09 I hate to say it too, Jimmy.
00:33:10 I think John got you on that one.
00:33:12 It was definitely a subdued crowd that didn't really care.
00:33:16 It seems subdued, but I will say this.
00:33:18 There were some boos.
00:33:19 There were more boos than cheers.
00:33:20 Give me that.
00:33:22 Give me that.
00:33:23 I want to say this.
00:33:24 I didn't really hear any cheers.
00:33:25 I heard some faint boos and then, like you said,
00:33:27 kind of nothingness because typically there's
00:33:31 not a huge reaction to the coaches.
00:33:33 And I thought maybe Ime's would be a lot louder than it was.
00:33:36 But it was--
00:33:37 They did that.
00:33:38 And of course, Ime Udoka.
00:33:39 Yeah.
00:33:39 [LAUGHTER]
00:33:41 Yeah, he said it quick.
00:33:42 You know what?
00:33:42 It's over with.
00:33:43 It's done with.
00:33:43 We don't have to talk about it anymore.
00:33:45 And I think both sides can probably move on.
00:33:47 And--
00:33:48 That's how it felt. It's like it's over.
00:33:51 Obviously, the big revelation was
00:33:52 that he told the players what happened, apparently.
00:33:56 So everybody just moved on after that, I guess.
00:34:00 Yeah.
00:34:00 He told the players his version of what happened, yes.
00:34:02 [LAUGHTER]
00:34:03 Yeah.
00:34:04 We're going to be very clear about that.
00:34:05 But look, the biggest-- here's the thing.
00:34:07 And this is why I think it's just such a dead issue.
00:34:10 Look at where he's at.
00:34:11 Look at where the franchise is at.
00:34:12 They got killed today.
00:34:15 I mean, if you're the Boston Celtics,
00:34:17 you're kind of good with where things are right now.
00:34:20 Right.
00:34:22 You're not Brooklyn Nets.
00:34:24 You're not some of these other teams that at one point
00:34:28 had watershed moments where they were top tier.
00:34:30 And then all of a sudden, one change in their top
00:34:34 of the organization.
00:34:35 And then they just basically begin to suck.
00:34:38 No, Celtics have actually moved on and moved forward
00:34:41 and moved ahead since he left.
00:34:43 So if I'm fans, I'm not mad at him.
00:34:47 Hell no, I'm good.
00:34:50 I'm good.
00:34:51 You should be good if you're Celtics Nation.
00:34:52 You should be good, good.
00:34:53 I think--
00:34:54 If the Celtics were 500-yard, damn well,
00:34:56 that place would be booed.
00:34:59 Yeah, I think Udo could easily send Missoula a fruit
00:35:03 basket or something to take the heat off him a little bit,
00:35:06 I think, with the way that Celtics have been able to
00:35:08 continue on without him.
00:35:11 My whole thing, Sherrod, and I don't
00:35:12 want to go down this path again because it's old news,
00:35:15 but my whole thing was regardless of whether or not
00:35:17 you think the punishment fit the crime--
00:35:19 and we don't know, but regardless
00:35:21 of whether or not you do--
00:35:23 the person that it only mattered to thought it did.
00:35:26 And in doing so, Emei effed the team last year, in my opinion.
00:35:30 Because if you thought they were good enough--
00:35:32 It was definitely much more impactful last year,
00:35:34 there's no doubt about it.
00:35:35 Last year, if you thought that Celtics should have been
00:35:36 in the NBA Finals and been an NBA champion, they weren't.
00:35:40 And I think a lot of people would
00:35:42 say the way that season started a little bit--
00:35:44 obviously, everything was in turmoil for a bit.
00:35:48 And the toughness that Emei brought the team,
00:35:50 you could make the point that the heat out-toughed them
00:35:54 in the playoffs last year.
00:35:55 And maybe that doesn't happen if Emei still coached.
00:35:56 So it's watered under the bridge at this point.
00:35:58 But that was my point, is that's why I would boo him,
00:36:02 is because for the simple fact that he wasn't around long
00:36:05 enough for me to have any other--
00:36:07 I'm not going to cheer him, I'm not going to bring a sign that
00:36:09 says--
00:36:10 John was cheering.
00:36:11 --we miss you, Emei.
00:36:12 Yeah, John brought his pom-poms, apparently.
00:36:14 But I didn't think there was enough--
00:36:16 there wasn't enough time--
00:36:17 No, John said no reaction, which is basically
00:36:20 what it was all night.
00:36:21 I thought there might be some cheering.
00:36:22 I thought there might be some--
00:36:24 Well, that was the other thing.
00:36:24 Maybe there was, but--
00:36:26 And it was a blowout, so it didn't need to come to that.
00:36:28 But what happened to home court advantage?
00:36:30 Make the other guys-- keep it in line,
00:36:32 but isn't it all about making the--
00:36:34 the advantage is making the other team uncomfortable.
00:36:37 So why are you cheering?
00:36:39 Why are you doing those things?
00:36:41 Any excuse that I can boo an opposing player, or coach,
00:36:44 or team, I'm taking it if I'm a fan, just because--
00:36:47 It was a solid game for a quarter and a half
00:36:48 before it became a blowout.
00:36:50 So there was an opportunity to.
00:36:52 But again, I just don't think people cared anymore.
00:36:54 That was my big--
00:36:56 that was my big reaction.
00:36:57 Well, you guys-- you guys were right.
00:37:00 You guys are more right than I was.
00:37:01 And you know what?
00:37:03 I thought it would be like 60-40, which--
00:37:06 I thought you'd get a nice ovation.
00:37:08 Yeah.
00:37:08 You thought he was going to get an ovation?
00:37:10 See, I never understood that at all.
00:37:12 Making the finals.
00:37:13 Post one year, they made the finals.
00:37:15 We got another-- we got another Joe Sway
00:37:17 freeze frame right now.
00:37:20 Joe Sway is stunned.
00:37:21 Joe Sway is stunned at your take.
00:37:22 That's why you're giving us a freeze frame like that.
00:37:26 Anyways, I'm not going to get into it.
00:37:27 He coached one year.
00:37:28 They lost.
00:37:28 They actually blew the finals, if you want to spin it.
00:37:31 And then he got fired.
00:37:32 So that's why I would--
00:37:34 so anyways, anything on this game?
00:37:36 I mean, we've hit on a few--
00:37:38 I mean, we haven't really mentioned Tatum much.
00:37:40 We're taking Tatum's game.
00:37:41 Yeah, we haven't mentioned him much.
00:37:43 Sherrod, anything that stood out to you tonight on Tatum,
00:37:46 other than the usual?
00:37:48 Well, he had that stretch, I think
00:37:51 it was second or third quarter, where he was just
00:37:53 rebounding the ball like crazy.
00:37:54 He had like six or seven rebounds in one quarter.
00:37:57 Tatum did what Tatum's supposed to do.
00:37:59 I mean, this was a game where--
00:38:01 well, as I said earlier, this was a transactional win.
00:38:04 There was nothing-- there was no emotional engagement
00:38:08 or attachment to this victory, other than we're just
00:38:10 going to go--
00:38:11 14 rebounds, damn.
00:38:12 --with the win.
00:38:13 Yeah.
00:38:13 And this is-- this was Tatum.
00:38:14 This is what Tatum's supposed to do.
00:38:15 Now, he didn't shoot the ball nearly as well in this game
00:38:18 as he has in previous 3, 4, 5 games.
00:38:21 But still, he made the shots that needed to be made.
00:38:24 He made an impact.
00:38:25 And I think Tatum's at that point
00:38:27 where he doesn't have to score a ton of points
00:38:29 to have a very good game.
00:38:30 Like this, he's had games where he scored more than this
00:38:34 that weren't nearly as good as this one,
00:38:36 because he impacted the game on multiple levels.
00:38:39 His scoring, his rebounding, he made some really good passes.
00:38:42 He did a little bit of everything.
00:38:43 And his defense was solid as well.
00:38:45 So this was a good Jason Tatum game.
00:38:47 But was it a great one?
00:38:49 Is this one for the archives?
00:38:51 No, but he did exactly what the best players are
00:38:55 supposed to do in games like this.
00:38:57 Hold on.
00:38:57 Let's pull in Joe Sway.
00:38:59 Do we have to?
00:39:01 There he is.
00:39:01 There he is.
00:39:03 He's stunned still at Bobby's take that Emeigh should
00:39:06 have got a standing ovation.
00:39:08 I'm surprised they didn't retire Emeigh's number.
00:39:09 Just pick a number and toss it up there in the Raptors.
00:39:12 He brought him to the NBA Finals.
00:39:14 Oh, Joe.
00:39:15 He helped push these guys.
00:39:16 And one of the things he talked about that Tatum did again
00:39:19 tonight is when the shot's not on,
00:39:21 find other ways to impact the game.
00:39:23 The rebounding's been huge all year.
00:39:25 I feel like he's the best rebounder, honestly.
00:39:27 And they need it, because some of the other bigs and even--
00:39:31 you can't rely on the guards.
00:39:33 So you need your big forward to be getting those.
00:39:35 And he did tonight and does.
00:39:38 But the shot wasn't there.
00:39:40 And at the start of the third, I thought
00:39:43 his misses were a big reason the Raptors were
00:39:46 getting out and on the run and such.
00:39:49 But then he went to the rim.
00:39:51 And those finishes were just so powerful.
00:39:54 Back cut guys, finished over young at one point
00:39:58 with a vicious dunk, and then the free throw attempts.
00:40:00 So this is a good, resilient performance for him
00:40:04 in terms of how does he play when he's not making shots,
00:40:06 which is always the big question with him.
00:40:08 Because I feel like how he reacts to that
00:40:10 is how it piles down to the rest of the team.
00:40:14 And then when you don't have Jalen to counter his style,
00:40:17 Jalen would have been the one attacking the basket tonight.
00:40:20 And they didn't have that.
00:40:21 So he went to it.
00:40:23 He's so good in there, Sherrod.
00:40:24 And I've had this conversation with Joe Swayce, Sherrod,
00:40:28 in terms of who he compares to.
00:40:31 Because we've kicked around Durant.
00:40:33 Durant's just a much better shooter than him, I think.
00:40:36 So it's tough to make that comparison.
00:40:38 He's bigger, too, taller.
00:40:40 There's just a power to Tatum's game now at this point,
00:40:43 where he's gained the weight, where he's improved
00:40:45 as a finisher, that he's that power forward.
00:40:50 And more often than not, he needs
00:40:51 to power through guys, whether posting up,
00:40:54 whether on the drive, and finish inside, get free throws.
00:40:58 Because his shot's very inconsistent,
00:41:00 we've seen in recent years.
00:41:01 And in a game like this, where it's not there,
00:41:03 you have to get downhill.
00:41:05 And his drives are down this year,
00:41:06 which is very disappointing.
00:41:08 Yeah, but you know, you had Paul Pierce back, man,
00:41:11 that footwork.
00:41:13 We see it from time to time, we just don't see it every night.
00:41:16 Here's my thing, though, about this game.
00:41:18 I mean, Tatum, like I said, he's not doing anything right now
00:41:22 that we haven't seen at least 10, 15, 20 times already
00:41:25 this season.
00:41:25 He's that consistently elite.
00:41:28 But for me, Derek White is interesting.
00:41:34 We talked a little bit about him struggling,
00:41:36 but I wanted to ask all of you, though.
00:41:38 I mean, are you concerned about his shot making?
00:41:41 Because he's shot less than 40% in four of the last five games,
00:41:45 and he's shot less than 30% in three of the last five games.
00:41:50 How concerned are you with Derek White and his shot making?
00:41:53 Because that's a big--
00:41:54 I mean, that's one of those little things that's
00:41:56 going to be huge for this team.
00:41:57 They're going to win it all.
00:41:58 With him-- go ahead, Josue.
00:42:00 I'm just going to say, I'm not too concerned.
00:42:03 The ankle thing kind of scared me tonight.
00:42:05 He was able to come back because he's Derek White,
00:42:08 and he's just Iron Man.
00:42:09 But maybe he needs a few games off.
00:42:12 He's taken some hits physically that
00:42:14 make me a little bit nervous.
00:42:16 He's not--
00:42:17 Why doesn't he get a rest night?
00:42:19 We're just using Derek White not being phased at all
00:42:23 by physicality.
00:42:24 And he's feeling it.
00:42:27 He's feeling some of that physicality
00:42:29 now that I don't know if he felt--
00:42:32 or at least he didn't let on that he was feeling earlier.
00:42:35 So he-- I said it off the top.
00:42:38 He is not playing as well as he was to start the year,
00:42:41 obviously, when he was on all-star pace
00:42:44 around Christmas there.
00:42:46 But he's still playing incredible.
00:42:48 You look at the floater over Barrett late, the three,
00:42:52 obviously.
00:42:52 And he had another finish late, too.
00:42:55 He was just timely tonight.
00:42:57 I thought he was the most timely player in the fourth quarter
00:43:00 in terms of the shots he made.
00:43:02 So he's going to stay involved.
00:43:03 There was-- oh, the other shot he made.
00:43:06 Siakam came around the back of him.
00:43:09 And they were triple-teaming him.
00:43:10 And it looked like he was going to lose the ball.
00:43:12 And he just kept control of it.
00:43:14 And then everybody backed off.
00:43:16 And he just stepped right into the mid-range
00:43:18 and hit an elbow jumper.
00:43:19 So he was super timely in this one.
00:43:21 The defense is going to be there.
00:43:23 You know that.
00:43:25 He's definitely in a little bit of a slump right now.
00:43:27 And maybe that's fatigue or bumps and bruises,
00:43:30 whatever it might be.
00:43:31 He wants to play every game.
00:43:33 So I can't imagine he's going to take a rest at any point.
00:43:36 But this is, I think, an acceptable game from him.
00:43:39 When he's making shots, he's in another stratosphere.
00:43:43 When he's not, he's still doing so much else
00:43:45 that I think you're able to live with it.
00:43:47 Now, it can't be a massive slump like we've
00:43:49 seen over a handful of games coming into this one,
00:43:53 like we saw in the 2022 playoffs, Jimmy.
00:43:55 But I think he's in a much more confident place
00:43:58 where he can shake off a game like this shooting-wise.
00:44:00 And again, he shot 5-0, 11 from 3.
00:44:02 That's pretty damn good.
00:44:04 Yeah, if he's not going to hit those big shots,
00:44:06 you know it's going to be like a big steal
00:44:07 or some crazy putback or some sort of offensive rebound
00:44:11 to give these guys another chance.
00:44:13 He just finds a way to make an impact.
00:44:15 But you wonder if this stuff is catching up to him.
00:44:18 It would be nice to see him have a break every once in a while.
00:44:21 Again, if we're panicking over 22 and 5-0, 11 from 3,
00:44:25 yeah, I think we're--
00:44:27 If it was just the one game, then yeah, you're right.
00:44:29 But it's not--
00:44:30 But the extended stretch, yeah.
00:44:31 He's had like three or four games.
00:44:33 And we're not used to Derek White having three or four
00:44:35 within a 5-6 game window of subpar shooting games.
00:44:39 That's just not-- that hasn't been his pattern.
00:44:42 And that's why I think it's something
00:44:44 to at least put on the radar to be on the lookout for.
00:44:48 But to me, it reinforces the need to have a stronger bench.
00:44:55 I mean, if Houser is--
00:44:56 We should talk about that.
00:44:58 Yeah.
00:44:58 I think back to when Brad kind of alluded
00:45:01 to wanting another wing.
00:45:03 I'm not sure he's looking at a wing for defensive purpose.
00:45:05 I'm thinking he might be looking for someone who can actually
00:45:08 make a shot or string together a couple of shots.
00:45:12 When you have a guy out and maybe one of your other wings
00:45:17 that's playing more minutes, maybe
00:45:18 they don't have shots going.
00:45:19 Is there someone other than Sam Houser that you can rely on?
00:45:22 And that's no disrespect to Sam.
00:45:23 It's just that he's the only one.
00:45:26 Yeah.
00:45:27 I mean, and part of my concern with Sam--
00:45:30 and again, this is no knock on him.
00:45:32 But I wish there was someone else that
00:45:34 would push him to be better.
00:45:35 Because Sam's really good now.
00:45:37 But I still think there's a level
00:45:39 that Sam can go to if there was someone around that was
00:45:43 actually challenging him for minutes.
00:45:44 But there's no one.
00:45:45 There is no--
00:45:46 I'm so curious.
00:45:47 They're going to make a move.
00:45:48 I don't think there's any doubt about it, because my sense is,
00:45:51 just talking to people, they really like this bench.
00:45:54 They really like the guys off the bench.
00:45:56 They want to add one more piece.
00:45:56 They know they need another piece.
00:45:58 They need another piece.
00:45:59 And there's just so many unproven guys here
00:46:01 off this bench.
00:46:03 Houser's had a great year.
00:46:04 He didn't play a minute in the playoffs last year,
00:46:06 at least a meaningful one.
00:46:08 Pritchard had a little bit of a run during the finals run.
00:46:10 But it wasn't super impactful.
00:46:12 But he has the experience.
00:46:15 And then you go to Brissette, no real playoff experience there.
00:46:18 Cornett, obviously none.
00:46:19 So you don't know how any of these guys are going
00:46:21 to fare in a playoff environment.
00:46:23 Are they going to get targeted and driven off the floor?
00:46:25 Are they going to get ignored offensively, Sherrod,
00:46:27 to a point where they can't play because it's
00:46:30 impacting the offense?
00:46:31 That's your worry with this bench right now.
00:46:33 Because like you said, Houser's the only one
00:46:35 who's really a threat, who really
00:46:36 draws defensive coverage.
00:46:38 And even he's prone to go cold at points.
00:46:41 So I don't know what you're going to do here.
00:46:43 They're definitely not going to consolidate this bench, Jimmy,
00:46:45 I don't think, into one shot-trucker off the bench.
00:46:50 But I think you do have to just add a guy to the mix,
00:46:53 like Mascala last year.
00:46:54 And looking back on it, honestly,
00:46:57 that Mascala trade was a miss.
00:46:58 You traded two seconds for a guy who can never really play
00:47:01 for you.
00:47:01 So that was a swing and a miss.
00:47:03 Interesting today, though.
00:47:04 And it's a good segue into this.
00:47:06 I don't think it's going to necessarily be a trade.
00:47:10 I was going to comment on White before we got off him.
00:47:12 I mean, I think, just to answer Sherrod's question,
00:47:15 I'm not completely--
00:47:16 I'm definitely not in panic mode about Derek White.
00:47:18 And one of the reasons is, I know
00:47:21 what he's capable of now.
00:47:22 I was panicking when they first made the trade,
00:47:26 and he was shooting horribly for the rest of the year.
00:47:28 And I said, anyone who watches the show
00:47:31 knows how concerned, to put it in a lack of better word,
00:47:35 me and John were about that trade.
00:47:37 And we wondered if it was a trade that
00:47:41 was going to just torpedo the team for the next couple
00:47:43 years.
00:47:44 Obviously, that wasn't the case.
00:47:45 Derek White completely turned it around last year.
00:47:48 If you just look at this season alone, Sherrod,
00:47:51 I don't think the last 10 games are
00:47:54 indicative of who Derek White is.
00:47:56 And I don't really know if the 10 games before that
00:48:00 were indicative of who Derek White is.
00:48:01 He's probably somewhere in the middle.
00:48:04 And because just looking at the splits, if you look at the
00:48:08 games, I think it's 21 to 30, he was shooting 54%, 55%
00:48:13 from the field.
00:48:14 That's not sustainable.
00:48:15 And whatever it was from three is probably like 46%, 47%.
00:48:19 And now, I'm sure it's torpedoed, right?
00:48:22 I mean, over the last 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 games,
00:48:25 he's coming back down to earth.
00:48:27 I don't think he's going to continue to shoot at that
00:48:29 level, but I think he's going to find--
00:48:31 I think he's finding water a little bit.
00:48:33 And I think he's going to come back up a little bit.
00:48:34 You're still going to get a player that's going to have a
00:48:37 career year this year.
00:48:38 You're still going to get a guy that's going to finish with
00:48:40 the most points he's had at the end of the year on an
00:48:44 average basis.
00:48:45 I still think the intangible stuff that he's doing now,
00:48:49 reminiscent of those Marcus Smart days.
00:48:51 Again, he's like a higher basketball IQ Marcus Smart, in
00:48:56 my opinion.
00:48:56 Again, no shade at Marcus Smart.
00:48:59 Marcus Smart was good at Marcus Smart things.
00:49:00 But I think Derek White, when he has the ball, even if he's
00:49:03 not having a night where he's averaging, where he's scoring
00:49:05 20 plus--
00:49:07 and that's what he was doing for a stretch.
00:49:09 He was scoring 20 plus points a game.
00:49:10 And I don't really know if that's what we can expect from
00:49:14 him on a night-by-night basis as the guy who's got to score
00:49:17 after Brown, who's got to score after Tatum.
00:49:20 Poor Zinges is going to get his.
00:49:21 I don't think you can expect 20 plus points a game from
00:49:23 Derek White.
00:49:23 Now, it's great.
00:49:24 We know he's capable of it.
00:49:25 But I just don't think that's what you're going to get.
00:49:27 That doesn't mean that I'm panicked.
00:49:28 I do think some of those shots that aren't falling are going
00:49:31 to start to fall a little bit more often than they have over
00:49:33 the last few games.
00:49:35 Is it a nagging injury that he's dealing with?
00:49:38 I'm not sure.
00:49:38 Does he need a night off?
00:49:39 Maybe.
00:49:40 He's had a couple this season.
00:49:42 But no, I'm not panicked.
00:49:43 I do think that this is a slump.
00:49:45 All these guys go through it.
00:49:47 I think he's earned the right to go through a
00:49:48 little bit of a slump.
00:49:49 He has.
00:49:50 It just looks-- I mean, and again, not--
00:49:54 it just looks as though it's more of a mental thing than
00:49:58 anything else, that he needs some time off.
00:50:02 I mean, at this point, just watching him play, I'm really--
00:50:06 I'm hoping that once--
00:50:07 You think the kid's keeping him up late?
00:50:10 Stop, Jimmy.
00:50:12 Don't go there.
00:50:12 It's a dad problem.
00:50:14 Everyone's got it.
00:50:15 Which is why I'm telling you to stop.
00:50:17 That's why I'm telling you to stop.
00:50:19 No, I think-- I'm really hoping an all-star break is
00:50:22 going to be really good for him to have some time where he's
00:50:25 not doing anything in terms of game, direct game preparation.
00:50:29 He can actually kick back and relax a little bit.
00:50:31 Because he needs-- I think that is what he needs more than
00:50:34 anything else right now, just some time off the floor.
00:50:39 But the problem is he gives you so much,
00:50:41 even when he's struggling, that you can't keep him off the
00:50:44 floor.
00:50:45 So the all-star break can't get here quick enough for Derek,
00:50:48 whether he's an all-star or not.
00:50:50 He's going to be--
00:50:50 Yeah, I mean, he's probably not going to be at this point,
00:50:52 unless there's injuries.
00:50:53 But--
00:50:54 And even now, I don't even think he'll be--
00:50:55 I don't even think he'll be a top choice for injuries.
00:50:58 Yeah, no, he won't be the top choice, certainly.
00:51:02 I want to bring this up, though.
00:51:03 Maybe minor, but an interesting trade
00:51:07 did happen yesterday in the NBA between the Wizards
00:51:10 and Pistons, Marvin Bagley and Isaiah Livers going from Detroit
00:51:15 to Washington.
00:51:15 And Mike Mascala and Danilo Gallinari going to the Pistons.
00:51:20 I was waiting for you to bring this up, Bobby.
00:51:22 Yeah, why'd you light up like that?
00:51:24 Because it's like, Mike Mascala.
00:51:27 He's cooking.
00:51:27 Bobby's cooking.
00:51:28 He's got something going on in his mind up there.
00:51:31 I find it interesting because no one's
00:51:34 going to trade for those guys.
00:51:35 They really struggled in Washington,
00:51:36 didn't play a ton, but--
00:51:39 I love Gallo.
00:51:41 You're talking about a final situation, aren't you?
00:51:43 Yeah.
00:51:44 So I don't think it's Mascala.
00:51:46 They don't need another big.
00:51:47 He's not better than Cornette.
00:51:48 Gallinari's interesting because he can play a little 5.
00:51:55 He can--
00:51:56 And he's better than Cornette.
00:51:57 Let's say it, Bobby.
00:51:58 Say it.
00:51:58 He's better than Cornette.
00:52:00 He's not saying it.
00:52:00 No, I don't think so.
00:52:01 [LAUGHTER]
00:52:02 It's different.
00:52:04 You're the Gallo center?
00:52:05 I mean, Gallinari's this year, and I know it's a small sample.
00:52:09 But 31 from 3, 43 from the field.
00:52:14 He takes threes.
00:52:15 7.3 rebounds.
00:52:16 Yeah, I mean, I'm confident--
00:52:17 It's Chris Brake that takes threes.
00:52:19 Wow.
00:52:19 I'm confident in him playing better than that.
00:52:23 But he'd effectively be a Blake on this team.
00:52:26 I know someone said in the chat earlier.
00:52:29 Does that help you?
00:52:31 Do you actually want more of an impact guy?
00:52:32 Because I don't think he's going to help you much.
00:52:35 But if you do want a guy in there for some vibes
00:52:37 and maybe sneak a few minutes here or there for free,
00:52:41 that might be a guy who becomes available.
00:52:43 Well, I think chances are, Bobby, whoever
00:52:45 the Celtics trade for isn't going
00:52:46 to be someone that's going to help you right away.
00:52:48 I think, if anything, it's an insurance policy.
00:52:51 Gallinari--
00:52:52 Is he good enough for that?
00:52:55 I mean--
00:52:56 I'd rather wing insurance policy, to be honest.
00:52:59 Yeah.
00:53:00 I think Brad Stevens is spot on in just--
00:53:03 They already have enough wings.
00:53:05 Especially when the ones you brought in
00:53:08 haven't exactly made the most of their opportunities
00:53:11 to get on the floor.
00:53:12 Right.
00:53:13 O'Shea has been up and down.
00:53:16 Lamar has been down.
00:53:18 Is O'Shea showing a little something now?
00:53:20 What's that?
00:53:21 Is O'Shea showing a little something?
00:53:23 I mean, he's so good on the floor.
00:53:24 He shows a little something every now and then,
00:53:25 but he doesn't show it consistently.
00:53:27 That's been his issue here.
00:53:30 When Brad said that wing might be on the team,
00:53:34 I don't think there's any doubt he was talking about O'Shea.
00:53:37 He was absolutely talking about O'Shea.
00:53:39 But the fact that he has to qualify with might
00:53:43 be on the team tells you all you need to know.
00:53:47 He might be on the team, but he hasn't shown me enough
00:53:49 so that I'm confident as a GM to say, that's my guy.
00:53:52 Right.
00:53:54 So if we're comparing--
00:53:55 In other words, Brad's still looking.
00:53:57 If we're comparing someone to Cornette, though,
00:54:00 I mean, the offensive rebounding that Brissette brings
00:54:03 is really a game changer.
00:54:04 And if you put--
00:54:05 Yeah, Shirot, you got him in his feelings, man.
00:54:07 Look what you did.
00:54:07 I know.
00:54:08 [LAUGHTER]
00:54:09 If you put--
00:54:10 He's still thinking about what you said about Cornette.
00:54:12 Wait a minute.
00:54:13 I was ready to let that ship just go down the ocean
00:54:16 and die like the Titanic is going to die.
00:54:21 But Bobby's like, no, let's go.
00:54:23 If you--
00:54:24 I was thinking about that point, too.
00:54:25 Hold on.
00:54:26 Go ahead.
00:54:27 Finish with the Lukeology.
00:54:29 If you put up Brissette's offensive rebounding
00:54:32 number against everybody in the league,
00:54:34 he'd be 17th right there tied with Sabonis
00:54:37 coming into the night.
00:54:38 So that's the level he's rebounding at.
00:54:40 Obviously, he doesn't qualify to be among the league leaders.
00:54:43 Wow, Sabonis.
00:54:44 In his minutes, he's rebounding at a Sabonis level.
00:54:48 So this is super impactful stuff from him.
00:54:52 He's doing it on the boards.
00:54:53 And if he can shoot 33% to 35% from three, defend,
00:55:00 they might go small with Horford O'Shea
00:55:03 rather than trying to do the Horford-Cornette thing
00:55:05 in the playoffs.
00:55:06 Because Cornette, matchup-wise, there's
00:55:08 certain games where he just has a lot of trouble getting
00:55:11 switched out and things like that.
00:55:13 And tonight, again, I know why people are frustrated.
00:55:16 He dropped so many rebounds on the offensive glass
00:55:20 in this one.
00:55:20 So that's something O'Shea's not going to do.
00:55:23 He's going to hammer it down.
00:55:24 He's going to get by guys and be in the right spot.
00:55:28 I mean, his rebounding is uncanny, Sherrod.
00:55:31 The way he crashes out of the corner--
00:55:32 I know Scales said it on the broadcast, too.
00:55:34 That's a real-- what do we say, Sherrod?
00:55:37 If you're going to be on the court,
00:55:38 if you're going to be in the playoff rotation,
00:55:41 you need a real deal skill that's
00:55:43 going to keep you out there.
00:55:45 Is it your shooting?
00:55:46 Is it your passing?
00:55:47 Is it your decision making?
00:55:48 His is his rebounding.
00:55:50 And he might not hit seven threes
00:55:55 like Grant did in a playoff game.
00:55:57 But he might have three or four offensive rebounds
00:55:59 in a playoff game over a five, six-minute stretch.
00:56:01 So I do believe in O'Shea.
00:56:04 I think he's going to be in that mix for a playoff spot.
00:56:08 I just think the cost of acquiring an impact wing
00:56:11 like Jon Conchar, like somebody like that,
00:56:13 is going to be a little too high.
00:56:14 I mean, I said, Jimmy, would you give up a first for him?
00:56:16 And you were like, hell no.
00:56:17 Hell no.
00:56:19 We laughed.
00:56:19 We actually had a good, long, hard laugh.
00:56:23 And right now, Memphis needs him to actually court a NBA team.
00:56:27 They have so many guys hurt.
00:56:28 So I don't know if that's going to be
00:56:31 in the cards.
00:56:32 You might need O'Shea to step up.
00:56:34 And--
00:56:36 They might just be stuck with who they have.
00:56:37 I mean, it--
00:56:38 Jimmy, that's what I think may wind up being the case.
00:56:41 Maybe you throw Gallinari in the mix.
00:56:43 Yeah, and hope you get lucky.
00:56:45 But it's very possible you make no trade deadline deals.
00:56:48 Yeah, it's very possible.
00:56:50 And I would be OK with that as long
00:56:54 as Brad has exhausted all options
00:56:57 and there wasn't a ridiculous offer
00:57:00 that they walked away from.
00:57:03 Like, if someone said, we'll give you Koen Schaar,
00:57:06 and it'll cost you a second round pick.
00:57:10 Two seconds.
00:57:11 Do the deal.
00:57:12 Yeah.
00:57:12 Do the deal.
00:57:13 But if they're saying, it'll cost you two second round
00:57:16 picks and a future first, we're good.
00:57:20 Thanks, but no.
00:57:21 And some teams do.
00:57:22 I know Oklahoma City valued Kenrick Williams at that price
00:57:26 for a while there.
00:57:27 And some teams just hold a hard bargain for their players.
00:57:31 They really like their guys, and they need
00:57:33 people on a way to move off them.
00:57:34 And they have no urgency to move Koen Schaar.
00:57:36 I think he signed three years.
00:57:38 So that's how it goes.
00:57:40 You're either going to be looking at an expiring guy
00:57:42 who's very cheap, and that's a limited number of guys,
00:57:46 or a buyout guy.
00:57:48 And at the end of the day, we make a big deal
00:57:50 about it every season.
00:57:52 No buyout guys help, realistically.
00:57:54 Like, who's the last buyout guy who really swung a team?
00:57:57 Karrad.
00:57:58 I can't think of one.
00:57:59 I just-- I remember years ago, there was this huge thing
00:58:04 about Troy Murphy.
00:58:06 Troy Murphy, I was going to say.
00:58:07 He's like the poster child for bad buyouts.
00:58:10 What happened?
00:58:11 Bad buyouts go wrong.
00:58:12 Troy Murphy.
00:58:13 Michael Finley?
00:58:14 You remember Michael Finley?
00:58:15 Come in here and flip--
00:58:17 Michael Finley.
00:58:18 He was a horrible, great guy.
00:58:20 Great guy.
00:58:21 Loved Troy Murphy.
00:58:22 Notre Dame, that's the guy.
00:58:24 Well, he was a horrible fit in Boston.
00:58:26 Horrible.
00:58:28 Ahmed says Boris--
00:58:29 Well, you know why this happens every year, right, guys?
00:58:31 Because the one time they did it, or maybe the first time,
00:58:33 really, in the sense of a team that had a contending team
00:58:36 already intact, was the year they won it all.
00:58:38 They got Sam Cassell.
00:58:40 They got PJ Brown.
00:58:41 I mean, people were technically retired,
00:58:43 but they got them off the bench.
00:58:45 And they obviously won a championship that year.
00:58:47 But ever since then, that was it.
00:58:49 That was the one time.
00:58:50 Yeah.
00:58:51 It hasn't been easy.
00:58:52 Goran Vrajic last year.
00:58:54 Didn't he go to the Bucs?
00:58:56 Or maybe that was two years ago at this point.
00:58:58 Two years ago.
00:58:58 Yeah.
00:58:59 Yeah.
00:58:59 You have to remember that when guys are bought out,
00:59:02 there's a reason why they're available.
00:59:03 They're done.
00:59:05 Yeah.
00:59:06 Now, Hayward, the Celtics can't acquire him.
00:59:09 But if Hayward becomes available,
00:59:12 and I don't know who's under that second apron,
00:59:14 you have to--
00:59:14 It'll be interesting to see which team gets him.
00:59:16 Yeah, it will.
00:59:17 He could actually be a difference maker for a team,
00:59:19 if he's healthy, of course, which we always--
00:59:21 Yeah.
00:59:22 You're not talking about--
00:59:23 If you've got him slotted to play 15 to 20 minutes a night
00:59:26 for you, and you've got enough talent where
00:59:28 you can justify him having that limited window of playing time,
00:59:32 yeah, he can absolutely help you.
00:59:34 Absolutely.
00:59:35 He'd have to be playing for the Knicks or--
00:59:38 I'm trying to think--
00:59:39 He might wind up playing more than 15 to 20 minutes
00:59:41 if he's with the Knicks.
00:59:43 That could be a team he ends up with.
00:59:45 Miami, I don't think they're over the apron.
00:59:47 So he could end up there, too.
00:59:49 And you know they've got that after the fact bro
00:59:53 man thing going on.
00:59:54 Right, he wanted to go there.
00:59:56 He really wanted to go there.
00:59:57 And yeah, so would not be surprised
00:59:59 if he just goes there.
01:00:01 You spent your career in Utah, Boston, Charlotte,
01:00:06 nice warmer city, but not a great team.
01:00:09 You might as well go enjoy the end at Miami.
01:00:12 If it's the forefront of your career like it is for him,
01:00:15 finishing in Miami, you can do worse.
01:00:17 He does seem like a he, doesn't he?
01:00:18 Of course he can do worse.
01:00:20 Yeah, definitely.
01:00:20 I can't wait to see what the he and sixers do,
01:00:22 because they're just sitting on so many assets.
01:00:25 Those two teams want to do a deal so bad.
01:00:28 Like did one of them get Brogdon?
01:00:30 Did one of them get Hayward?
01:00:32 Neither one of them, well at least Philly,
01:00:34 the one I'm thinking.
01:00:36 They're not willing to put in a big piece.
01:00:38 You know?
01:00:38 I'll tell you what.
01:00:39 You know what, you're ever going to move to Bias Harris,
01:00:42 now's the time.
01:00:43 His stock is not going to get any higher.
01:00:45 That ship has sailed, man.
01:00:46 They waited too long for that.
01:00:47 I think they like him.
01:00:48 He's stuck with him at this point.
01:00:50 Yeah.
01:00:50 He's playing well, though.
01:00:51 That's what I'm saying.
01:00:54 Yeah.
01:00:56 Yeah, but it's that money.
01:00:57 It's just that money.
01:00:58 It is.
01:00:58 It's a problem.
01:00:59 Money, money.
01:01:01 So that's the trade chatter going around, that we're--
01:01:06 We are how many days from the deadline?
01:01:09 15th today?
01:01:11 I was going to ask you that.
01:01:12 The deadline is three weeks from Thursday.
01:01:16 Oh, it's coming up.
01:01:17 Yeah.
01:01:18 It's coming up.
01:01:19 We've got like 23 days.
01:01:22 Do you see any of the--
01:01:23 I mean, we just talked--
01:01:24 you just mentioned Sixers.
01:01:26 Yeah, it comes with a big name.
01:01:28 Do you see Bucks doing anything?
01:01:31 No, they can't.
01:01:32 They have two second round picks.
01:01:34 So maybe they get something small with that.
01:01:36 I don't think they have any B.
01:01:38 What about Atlanta?
01:01:39 You think they move Murray?
01:01:40 That's the big one.
01:01:41 And there does seem to be a lot of momentum.
01:01:43 They're falling apart.
01:01:44 They have a big one tonight.
01:01:45 Yeah.
01:01:46 Unfortunately, they won two first, at least.
01:01:48 Latest you're hearing there is the Nets.
01:01:50 And that makes a lot of sense, because they're
01:01:52 the only suitor that could get the ball in his hands a ton.
01:01:55 Bridge is obviously a guy who can thrive off the ball.
01:01:57 So that makes a lot of sense.
01:01:59 They have a lot to offer.
01:02:00 Maybe they could send one of those Rockets picks.
01:02:04 Just add a playmaker offensively.
01:02:06 And they need one.
01:02:07 It's weird that the Hawks are looking
01:02:09 to disband a little bit here.
01:02:11 I guess just rework around Young.
01:02:13 They've tried to do that a couple of times.
01:02:15 And he was obviously the big move they made.
01:02:17 Spurs interested in Murray, too, which would be weird.
01:02:20 But it does look like the Nets are kind of that emerging big
01:02:23 suitor right now.
01:02:24 Knicks are in the mix.
01:02:25 I don't think he makes sense there.
01:02:27 He'd just be playing off ball like he was next to Young.
01:02:31 Lakers, same thing.
01:02:32 They need shooting.
01:02:33 He's not much of a shooter.
01:02:35 So I think he's going to end up with the Nets.
01:02:39 There you go.
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01:03:07 In our bonus NFL talk tonight is the news that just dropped.
01:03:12 No, it's not that the Eagles are now down even more than they
01:03:15 were.
01:03:15 I hate you, Jimmy.
01:03:16 [LAUGHTER]
01:03:17 That's not the news.
01:03:18 [LAUGHTER]
01:03:21 We're not going to talk about that.
01:03:23 You know it was on your mind, too.
01:03:23 We've said too much about Sharras,
01:03:25 but we're not going to talk about the Eagles blowing
01:03:27 this one and possibly firing Nick Sirianni after this.
01:03:29 We'll see.
01:03:30 If they do, there is a coach that is actively
01:03:33 interviewing right now.
01:03:34 His name is Bill Belichick.
01:03:36 And this wasn't a report.
01:03:37 This was right from the team.
01:03:39 This is the team.
01:03:40 The team just--
01:03:41 That never happens.
01:03:42 Look at us, everybody.
01:03:44 We just interviewed Bill Belichick.
01:03:45 We got Bill to interview.
01:03:46 We got Bill to interview.
01:03:48 Woo-hoo!
01:03:49 This is like the ugly freshman in high school going out
01:03:56 on a date with the prom queen and then
01:03:58 telling everybody in school the next day,
01:04:00 like, yeah, I went on a date with the prom queen.
01:04:02 Yeah, I'm with a good point.
01:04:04 He says that Bill actually interviewed the Falcons.
01:04:07 Bill's on his tour.
01:04:09 The biggest creation coach ever.
01:04:11 The Falcons think that they interviewed Bill,
01:04:13 but it was actually Bill interviewing him.
01:04:14 I know, right?
01:04:15 What are they going to interview him about?
01:04:17 [LAUGHTER]
01:04:18 So yeah, Bill is just taking a pretty impressive resume.
01:04:23 Looks like you got here--
01:04:24 you got-- like, what's that?
01:04:27 What's that interview process?
01:04:28 You got any references?
01:04:29 [LAUGHTER]
01:04:31 Get some references.
01:04:34 Yeah, oh my god, that's too funny.
01:04:35 What do you guys think?
01:04:36 Is it-- I'll be honest.
01:04:38 It's not fun.
01:04:39 I mean, I know it's been the rumor for a while.
01:04:42 I just can't picture Belichick in Atlanta.
01:04:45 I just think it's a whiff organization.
01:04:47 It's this name organization that--
01:04:49 I thought Belichick murdered that organization
01:04:52 a couple years ago.
01:04:53 No, this is the--
01:04:54 to me, this is the team to get all the other teams riled up
01:04:57 and thinking that, you know what, let me take a shot at them.
01:05:00 But sorry, go ahead, Shru.
01:05:01 No, I was going to say, I wouldn't be surprised
01:05:03 if Dallas made a decision on their head coach
01:05:05 and cut him loose that they reached out to Bill.
01:05:08 That wouldn't surprise me.
01:05:10 That's such a Jerry Jones kind of move to do.
01:05:13 But would Jerry Jones and Bill Belichick be able to--
01:05:15 That's a good question, because the job's obviously amazing.
01:05:19 They would not.
01:05:21 It would be great for the media, because you're
01:05:24 going to have so much--
01:05:28 so many issues.
01:05:29 Pull and tug, yeah.
01:05:30 And there was obviously that New England at the end too,
01:05:32 but not to this degree.
01:05:34 And if you're Jones--
01:05:36 Both those guys go in with mutual--
01:05:38 like, they both have a lot to gain by allowing each other
01:05:41 to do their things.
01:05:42 And so that's what I was going to say.
01:05:44 The Cowboys have lost so much at this point.
01:05:46 They've had so many bad coaches.
01:05:49 Maybe if you're Jones, you take a back seat
01:05:52 and put your ego aside and let Bill run things.
01:05:54 I don't know if that's going to happen.
01:05:56 They must have some kind of relationship.
01:05:58 They've both been involved in the NFL for 50 years,
01:06:00 and I'm sure that they've come across each other and all
01:06:02 that stuff.
01:06:04 I don't think Bill's trying to find a better roster to win.
01:06:07 If Bill's trying to--
01:06:08 That's what I'm saying.
01:06:10 --set the record for wins, right,
01:06:12 and make another Super Bowl run.
01:06:14 I just don't know if Atlanta--
01:06:15 Yeah, give it two shots or whatever.
01:06:17 I don't know if Atlanta's the place
01:06:18 to go about doing that, unless he's planning on coaching there
01:06:21 for five years and turning the whole thing around.
01:06:23 They need a quarterback.
01:06:25 They've got some pieces there.
01:06:26 But I mean, again, I don't want to bring this up,
01:06:30 but Philly could be looking for a coach soon.
01:06:33 There's a couple of organizations and teams
01:06:35 that might be good or better matches for Belichick.
01:06:38 It is weird to hear that he's interviewing for--
01:06:42 it's like the breakup.
01:06:43 Oh, is she already dating somebody else already?
01:06:47 It's only been two days, and she's already
01:06:48 dating somebody else?
01:06:50 Whoa.
01:06:51 So it is kind of strange to hear that.
01:06:54 Yeah, exactly, Jimmy.
01:06:55 This is that--
01:06:56 Whoa.
01:06:57 There he is.
01:06:58 This is the one to get the other ones jealous.
01:07:00 It's like the rebound, the rebound.
01:07:03 Yeah, you think so?
01:07:03 So Josue, is Atlanta the team, or is this just the first--
01:07:06 Nah, this is just the rebound.
01:07:08 He's just flaring a little bit.
01:07:09 Yeah, he's--
01:07:10 Getting back on the field.
01:07:12 Yeah, Belichick's getting back in the game.
01:07:14 He's warming up.
01:07:15 He hasn't been on a date in 20 years.
01:07:18 But I think Bob Kraft is thinking, man,
01:07:20 Atlanta would be cool.
01:07:21 No, I'm just kidding.
01:07:22 Bob Kraft would be very happy if he chose Atlanta.
01:07:25 I'll tell you what, nobody wants to build a--
01:07:29 Even Meek Mill might pull up if that was the case.
01:07:32 Yeah.
01:07:33 What team's coming to New England first?
01:07:35 That's who he really needs to end up on.
01:07:37 Meek Mill's a Philly guy.
01:07:39 But nobody-- trust me, Bob Kraft does not
01:07:42 want Bill going to Dallas.
01:07:43 He does not want to see Bill holding up a Lombardi trophy.
01:07:47 A silver trophy, yeah.
01:07:48 After Brady, I mean, you can't--
01:07:50 Bill will have one in Capone.
01:07:52 Legacy talk starts to shift towards the Krafts here.
01:07:56 I think if that happens--
01:07:57 Can I just say real quick, right?
01:07:58 So it's where the end of the podcast with Max.
01:08:00 He's going on and on about how Bill Belichick better not
01:08:03 go to some team just to get the all-time record,
01:08:06 just 'cause and all that.
01:08:07 So then finally I go, Max, what if he goes to Dallas?
01:08:10 Max is a huge Cowboys fan.
01:08:11 Oh.
01:08:12 All of a sudden he--
01:08:13 There's a smile on his face.
01:08:15 Little by little, he was like--
01:08:17 Every Cowboys fan must be dreaming of this right now.
01:08:19 He goes, I never thought about that.
01:08:21 And like, guys, check it out.
01:08:23 Like the last 10 minutes of the show,
01:08:24 it's going to come up next episode.
01:08:26 It's just he couldn't stop smiling.
01:08:27 He couldn't stop thinking about it.
01:08:28 It's hilarious.
01:08:29 How can Max be a Cowboys fan?
01:08:31 That is just crazy.
01:08:32 I always say it's the people who fell in love with that era.
01:08:34 They just couldn't let it go.
01:08:35 Charlotte, North Carolina didn't have a team back then.
01:08:40 Right, that too.
01:08:41 But I just mean, he's been in New England for so long,
01:08:43 though.
01:08:44 Yeah, they got their team in '95 or something like that,
01:08:46 right?
01:08:46 That's a good point, Bobby.
01:08:47 Big truth for a non-factor when he got here.
01:08:50 Like, yeah.
01:08:50 Yeah, the Panthers started in like the mid-'90s, yeah.
01:08:53 All right, guys.
01:08:54 We're going to let you all go.
01:08:56 Sherrod, thank you for joining us.
01:08:57 Josue, thank you.
01:08:58 Bobby, thank you.
01:08:59 Run Binama Wednesday.
01:09:01 Wimby Wednesday.
01:09:03 Please let him be available.
01:09:04 It's that one shot to see him.
01:09:06 I know he's been resting here or there.
01:09:08 They have a couple of nights off after the game today.
01:09:10 So please, please be available.
01:09:14 That would be a killer if he wasn't.
01:09:17 But he'll be in the building, I'm sure, either way.
01:09:20 And I think just looking at a guy like that, it's just like--
01:09:24 No, we want to see him play.
01:09:25 Yeah, I know.
01:09:26 Get out there.
01:09:27 You got to get him out there.
01:09:28 Got to get him out.
01:09:28 He's going to do at least one thing in that game that just
01:09:31 blows your mind.
01:09:32 He's going to get dunked on.
01:09:35 Oh, maybe Jaylen Brown's--
01:09:36 I'm going to call right now.
01:09:36 Jaylen will dunk on him.
01:09:38 Maybe Jaylen Brown's saving up.
01:09:39 That's why he didn't play.
01:09:41 That's a great problem.
01:09:42 Bobby's so quiet right now.
01:09:44 Speaking of--
01:09:45 He's going to try to.
01:09:47 Speaking of Bill, I think, fortunately,
01:09:49 Popovich is kind of pulling a Bill down there with the Spurs.
01:09:54 Yeah, I mean, he did a--
01:09:56 I forget exactly what he said.
01:09:58 I texted someone about it.
01:10:00 He did one of those timeout interviews.
01:10:02 And I know he's always a little short with those.
01:10:05 But they were down like 30 early.
01:10:07 And he was like, the offense is pretty poor.
01:10:10 And from what I've seen, the defense matches that.
01:10:13 Talking about his team.
01:10:15 Well, he's going to be-- he's always been blunt.
01:10:17 So that's not going to change.
01:10:18 Great new chaser.
01:10:20 Yeah, exactly.
01:10:21 Yeah, Popovich has always been compared to Belichick
01:10:24 in those different sports, similar mindsets, and success
01:10:27 stories, and all that stuff.
01:10:28 But we shall see how it ends up.
01:10:30 But yeah, Wemby on Wednesday.
01:10:32 We will be here after the game.
01:10:33 So we hope that you guys all join us.
01:10:35 Thanks again to everyone who hung out with us tonight
01:10:39 after the Celtics take down the Raptors.
01:10:41 What was it, 107-96, something like that?
01:10:44 Join us tomorrow.
01:10:46 We're doing a 1230 Garn Report.
01:10:47 Going to have a Raptors guest on,
01:10:49 talk a little bit about them in this game here.
01:10:51 So stay tuned for that.
01:10:53 We got a bonus show tomorrow.
01:10:55 We got Joe Suiz podcast, which--
01:10:57 We got a podcast coming out tomorrow.
01:10:58 Gerard, you got anything coming down the pipe?
01:11:01 Yeah, we'll have a podcast either Wednesday or Thursday.
01:11:04 All right, be on the lookout for that.
01:11:06 And I'm just going to be chilling, so you might see me.
01:11:09 Jimmy John podcast.
01:11:10 Yeah, yeah, be on the lookout for that.
01:11:13 All right, thank you guys.

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