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Akbar S. Babar Entry After 13 Years - Can Akbar S. Babar challenge PTI Intra-Party Elections?

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Transcript
00:00 So, Pakistan Tariq Insaaf has decided to bring Vukla to the ground.
00:04 There is an election tomorrow, but before that, there is a twist in the story.
00:07 Today, Akbar S. Babar, the Pakistan Tariq Insaaf's secretariat, went.
00:11 He was asked, "Why have you come here after 13 years?"
00:14 He said, "I have come to get information about the election papers,
00:17 I have come to ask about some nomination papers,
00:20 and generally, I have come to know about the state of the intra-party election."
00:26 Let's hear what he had to say.
00:28 I have come to the central office of PTI after 13 years.
00:32 Our purpose is to get information about the intra-party election,
00:39 the nomination papers, the method of the election,
00:43 the voter list, so that the founding members of PTI who want to participate in the election,
00:50 they want to know about the method of the election,
00:53 and we want to get the nomination papers, so that we can collect them and participate in the election.
01:00 That's why we are here.
01:02 So, we will talk about this issue before the program.
01:04 In this, we have with us Barrister Zaroosan Panjota on video.
01:08 And we have with us Akbar S. Babar, the founder of Pakistan Tariq Insaaf.
01:14 We will talk to him as well.
01:16 I think we should start with Akbar S. Babar,
01:18 so that we can know what he wants to say, and where he is going to take the issue.
01:23 Assalam-o-Alaikum, Akbar S. Babar, can you hear me?
01:27 Yes, Walaikum-as-Salaam, I can hear you clearly.
01:30 Sir, tell us, you went to Pakistan Tariq Insaaf after 13 years,
01:33 the intra-party election is going to take place.
01:36 You had to get information there.
01:38 Did you get the information, or did you file the nomination papers?
01:41 What happened there? Was there a plan to participate in the election?
01:45 Or was it just to get information?
01:47 In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most compassionate.
01:50 Look, I will give you a little background.
01:53 Because I am a founding member,
01:56 the original constitution that was there,
01:59 we made it in the late 90s.
02:03 And in the constitution making committee,
02:07 I was a member, Hamid Khan Sahib was there,
02:10 Naraj Maud Khan Sahib was there,
02:12 Fauzia Kasuri was there,
02:14 Nawab Khan Niazi, founding PT-FM, Punjab was there,
02:17 and a few others.
02:19 So we thought about it, and for many days,
02:24 we had to sit in Lahore and sign the constitution.
02:28 The entire party culture was democratic.
02:33 At that time, we had written that the party chairman
02:37 would also be democratically elected,
02:40 but he would not be more than two terms,
02:44 he would automatically be debarred.
02:46 The purpose of this was to make the party an institution.
02:49 And my struggle is the same,
02:51 you can see the form funding case,
02:53 you can cast your opinion on it,
02:55 the purpose of that was the same,
02:57 and it is that Pakistan Tariq Insaaf becomes a democratic and accountable community.
03:02 Which then becomes a role model and a compulsion for other political communities.
03:06 And I keep saying that the Election Commission should play a proactive role,
03:11 not only in the case of intraparty elections, but also in the case of all other parties.
03:16 Absolutely right, sir, you have come to this point,
03:19 technically you have given the context.
03:21 What happened today, I want to ask you about it.
03:23 Today, because of the intraparty elections,
03:26 after the decision of the Election Commission,
03:29 the allegations that were made, you have presented them in the intro.
03:33 Unfortunately, what is happening is that,
03:36 Imran Khan is in jail,
03:38 so his lawyer seems to be having a press conference.
03:45 So many contradictory things are happening.
03:47 So all of us who were original members of PTI,
03:49 and other people who were elected before,
03:51 we decided that we should take part in this,
03:54 and participate in it,
03:56 not because it is for a position.
03:58 Because Imran Khan had personally offered me two times the Secretary General.
04:02 And I politely refused,
04:04 because I did not have the resources to fulfill that role.
04:08 But it was very important that the workers get a chance,
04:11 and there is an election for democracy.
04:13 So, because we were not getting the information,
04:17 we wanted to participate.
04:19 So, today we are participating in the elections.
04:21 So, what is the status now?
04:22 You are participating,
04:24 you are not even a member, am I correct?
04:26 Are you a party member?
04:27 No, you are totally incorrect,
04:29 because the Election Commission of Pakistan,
04:32 on 17th May 2017,
04:34 then the Shingle Bench of Islamabad High Court,
04:36 and then the Double Bench of Islamabad High Court,
04:38 have written in clear words that
04:40 I am a member of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
04:43 and any such claim that they make,
04:46 has no basis.
04:48 This is documented.
04:49 The highest court in Islamabad High Court,
04:53 the Double Bench of Islamabad High Court,
04:55 Athar Minilla was the Chief Justice at that time.
04:57 We have established that you are a member.
04:59 Have you filed a paper?
05:02 Because the election is tomorrow.
05:04 I am coming to that.
05:06 When we put our three requests in front of the PTI representative,
05:09 which are recorded,
05:11 we told them that we should be given a nomination in the documents,
05:14 which is our right,
05:15 any PTI member has the right.
05:17 Number two, we told them to give us a voter list,
05:19 whoever wants to take a part,
05:21 that is their right.
05:22 Third, we told them that the election laws,
05:25 which you are going to enter the party,
05:27 we went to take these three simple things.
05:30 I respect the PTI representatives who met us.
05:35 They said very clearly that these things do not exist.
05:39 How can we give you?
05:41 If they existed, we would have given you.
05:43 This is just a paper process.
05:45 All these things have been documented on camera.
05:47 So what is the status now?
05:49 Are you taking a share or you have been refused that you cannot take a share?
05:53 You tell me that I want to take a share in the election,
05:57 but when they say that we do not have the nomination papers,
06:01 I was in the central office,
06:03 now there can be no office more than this.
06:05 So now the problem is that they have refused you the documents,
06:08 you are not taking a share, tomorrow the election is going to take place.
06:10 No, no, no, they did not refuse the documents.
06:22 They said that we do not have the documents,
06:25 that the documents do not exist in the central office.
06:28 Now there is a big difference.
06:30 If they had refused us,
06:32 then they could have cut the legal door somewhere else in the evening.
06:35 They said that Babar sir, these three things do not exist with us.
06:39 I asked them to tell me some other representative,
06:41 some other media contact person about the election.
06:45 They said that there is no one in the office, we are here.
06:48 We are telling you that there is no such thing.
06:51 Then a Balochistan lawyer had come there,
06:53 he was also recording it.
06:55 He said that we have been sitting here since evening,
06:57 we have not been given any kind of facility.
06:59 Babar sir, from your conversation, I am getting the idea that
07:02 if the election takes place tomorrow,
07:04 then you may have started legally challenging this.
07:06 This is what I think from your conversation.
07:08 Look, my conversation is clear that
07:10 I wish this had not happened today.
07:12 I wanted to be a part of a democratic process.
07:15 What is the result of this spectrum?
07:17 I am saying that it is obvious that when facts have come in front of me,
07:21 then I am entitled to keep these facts in front of the Election Commission.
07:24 This is not my duty.
07:26 So sir, you will challenge this, whatever the election will be.
07:28 I will keep the facts,
07:30 whatever the election commission decides on it, it will be its right.
07:32 Okay, thank you very much, Babar sir is present with us.

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