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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Sadaf Abdul Jabbar
Guests:
- Faisal Karim Kundi PPP
- Khawaja Ehrar Ul Hassan MQM-P
- Nazir Leghari (Analyst)
- Aamir Ilyas Rana (Analyst)
"Party mai koi do raye nahi...," Faisal Karim Kundi's blunt stance
"PP ka focus hai ke hum elections ke bad...," Faisal Karim Kundi shares inside news
"Sindh ke bohut se sarkari mulazim PP ke hain," MQM-P Leader Khawaja Izhar ul Hassan
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Sadaf Abdul Jabbar
Guests:
- Faisal Karim Kundi PPP
- Khawaja Ehrar Ul Hassan MQM-P
- Nazir Leghari (Analyst)
- Aamir Ilyas Rana (Analyst)
"Party mai koi do raye nahi...," Faisal Karim Kundi's blunt stance
"PP ka focus hai ke hum elections ke bad...," Faisal Karim Kundi shares inside news
"Sindh ke bohut se sarkari mulazim PP ke hain," MQM-P Leader Khawaja Izhar ul Hassan
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00:00 As-salamu alaykum, program Aitraaz.
00:07 I am Sadaf Abdul Jabbar.
00:14 We will talk about the political scene.
00:17 The political parties are trying to form an alliance wherever possible.
00:25 People's Party is facing a lot of problems.
00:31 We have seen the same in the case of Asif Ali Zardari.
00:35 Bilawal Bhutto's visit to Dubai and Asif Ali Zardari's visit to Dubai.
00:39 There were many issues.
00:41 People's Party has denied all the allegations.
00:46 The most important question is that Bilawal is untrained.
00:56 Bilawal has been the chair of People's Party for 15 years.
01:02 He has been the minister of foreign affairs in the PGM.
01:06 If he is not trained and is a candidate for the PM,
01:11 will his campaign to the old politicians and the new leaders,
01:18 Zardari has damaged it.
01:21 They are trying to control the damage.
01:25 They are saying that these are differences.
01:29 If we say that these are differences of democracy,
01:31 then there can be such differences in the party.
01:34 On the other hand, we are seeing that the alliance is being formed.
01:36 The alliance in Sindh is being formed.
01:41 It is clear from the statements that this is a People's Party alliance.
01:44 How does People's Party see this?
01:47 What is People's Party going to do in Punjab?
01:50 Because in the last election, they did not have a job.
01:54 We will talk about all this.
01:56 First of all, we have joined in the segment, Faisal Kundi, translator of People's Party.
02:00 Thank you so much for joining me in the show.
02:03 As-salamu alaykum. Thank you.
02:06 Walaykum as-salam.
02:08 Kundi sahab, you have been talking for the last two to three days.
02:12 People's Party has clearly said that there is a family reunion in Dubai.
02:16 They are spending quality time.
02:18 The media is discussing this news.
02:22 Then, Uyyamit Asi is also a member of People's Party.
02:25 He will also come back.
02:27 But, Bilawal's campaign, in which he is saying that the vote of the youth matters,
02:35 a new leadership should come, and the senior politicians should sit at home,
02:38 did not this damage Zardari's statement that he is not yet trained?
02:43 In the name of Allah, the news in the media about Bilawal Bhutto Zardari and the visit to Dubai,
02:50 they had a planned schedule and they did not go yesterday.
02:57 They went in the afternoon.
02:58 The interview was recorded in the evening and was published.
03:01 Because they had a plan and they will come back to Pakistan in a day or two.
03:05 Like Zardari sahab.
03:06 Normally, they keep going and coming.
03:08 But this time, because the interview came and created a hype,
03:12 that's why the tour was focused.
03:14 As far as you are concerned, Zardari sahab gave an interview and said that he is not trained.
03:18 He had given an interview in the past and he said this.
03:21 And when he became the foreign minister, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari sahab,
03:24 he showed the whole world that a young politician, a young foreign minister,
03:29 how he played a role in the states and how he fought the case of Pakistan in different countries and forums.
03:35 As far as President Zardari sahab is concerned,
03:38 he is the president of the Pakistani party parliamentarian.
03:42 But at the same time, he is also the father of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.
03:45 Now, if the father has a son or a daughter,
03:48 then they are 40-50 years old, they are still young.
03:51 Therefore, politics is day to day learning and you learn it.
03:55 So, as long as you are in politics, as long as you make mistakes in your life,
04:01 you learn and you learn things day to day,
04:04 there is nothing wrong in it.
04:06 And on this, we are asking a lot of questions.
04:10 Whenever Bilawal sahab tried to give an independent opinion,
04:17 tried to do independent politics,
04:19 when he was talking about the election in 90 days,
04:22 at that time also Zardari sahab's statement came in which he was saying that
04:25 delimitation is necessary first and then the election.
04:28 So, we are seeing this repeatedly in the politics of the People's Party,
04:32 that when Bilawal sahab takes his own separate opinion,
04:35 then Zardari sahab's statement comes.
04:37 So, is this a two different opinions that are found in the Pakistan People's Party?
04:41 No, I don't think that two different opinions are found.
04:44 And we always talk about the constitution,
04:46 that the things in it should be discussed.
04:48 If Zardari sahab trusted the election commission,
04:50 we also trusted the election commission,
04:52 we also trust the election commissioner.
04:54 We have some reservations, some civil institutions,
04:57 on which we talked repeatedly in TV talk shows,
05:00 talked in press conferences,
05:01 the election commissioner took action on it
05:04 and sent a message to the PSPM and the chief secretary to remove these reservations.
05:09 Because we can see that in some areas,
05:12 especially in Punjab, some civil institutions are not acting as a government,
05:19 but acting as a team of PMLN,
05:21 in some places where we have left reservations.
05:23 And the rest of us, we talked about it in different talk shows,
05:26 we did it in those where they took action.
05:28 We always talk about the constitution and the constitution and the constitution.
05:32 But tell me, what did the Supreme Court say about the elections in 90 days?
05:36 We did not say anything to the Supreme Court.
05:38 The Supreme Court said that the elections were not held on time.
05:41 So, these things are there.
05:43 But your party's co-chairman, he was not in a hurry for the elections in 90 days.
05:47 He was saying that there should be a delimitation.
05:50 So, now you tell me,
05:51 there are two different opinions on the constitution.
05:57 Zardari sahab is saying something, Bilawar sahab is saying something.
06:00 You are saying that the Supreme Court is saying the same thing that Zardari sahab said.
06:04 Look, there should have been a delimitation.
06:06 The delimitation had already been done.
06:08 And the delimitation that was passed in CCI was a legislation, not a constitution.
06:12 For political people, the constitution is a holy book.
06:16 We have to follow the constitution.
06:18 The delimitation in the constitution is mentioned when you are increasing the seats.
06:21 You are delimiting and not increasing the seats.
06:24 So, that delimitation was said a year ago.
06:26 And why did the delimitation take so long to be approved?
06:33 So, Zardari sahab was talking without any reason.
06:35 No, I am saying that why did PMLN's friends increase the delimitation so much?
06:39 They increased it because they wanted to gain time.
06:42 We were saying that there should be a delimitation in 90 days.
06:45 When the delimitation process started,
06:47 So, he was talking without any reason.
06:49 Sorry, question.
06:51 Zardari sahab was talking without any reason when he was giving more importance to delimitation than before the elections.
06:59 No, when the delimitation started and the middle of delimitation, then it was to be done.
07:03 When the delimitation started, we said that we should do it as soon as possible.
07:06 When we got the delegation, we wanted to see that the delimitation should be done as soon as possible.
07:10 So that the election free and fair should be done as soon as possible.
07:13 You see that it has been almost two years since the government has been in power.
07:18 And things were not clear in the center.
07:21 We were repeatedly saying that the date of the election has been given.
07:27 We are waiting for the election schedule today.
07:29 I hope that when the process of delimitation will be completed on 30th,
07:33 Then the election schedule will come immediately so that we can start our election campaign.
07:38 We have just done the conventions in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, we have not started the election campaign.
07:41 Then we have to divide the tickets and start the election campaign.
07:44 We are waiting for this to happen as soon as possible so that we can run this country as an atomic country.
07:50 You will have to do free and fair elections.
07:52 A new parliament will come, a new government will come and then this country will have to move forward.
07:56 You are also a party translator.
07:59 Tell us that when Bilawal is advising the senior politicians to sit at home,
08:04 What is your opinion as a seasoned politician?
08:09 And the second thing is that Farhatullah Babar has resigned as the secretary general of the Pakistan People's Party.
08:15 Is this the reason?
08:18 Because there were such news that I want you to refute or confirm it.
08:22 No, there is no such thing.
08:24 Frankly speaking, I did not talk to Farhullah Babar about this.
08:28 But Farhullah Babar is also heading our Human Rights Commission, which is our party.
08:32 He is also in our famous committee.
08:35 He also gives input in the meeting of the famous committee.
08:41 He may have resigned from the position of the secretary general for his personal reasons, but he still has the position.
08:47 As far as Bilawal's senior politicians are concerned,
08:50 He said that senior politicians should now do the politics of the group, the politics of the group,
08:55 And the youth should come forward.
08:57 As our transition is, Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari is leading our campaign.
09:01 Our primary candidate is Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.
09:04 Similarly, in the next JPMLN, Mariam Nawaz and Hamza Shahbaz are the next generation.
09:11 Similarly, Maulana's sons should come forward.
09:14 Because at the moment, more than 60% of the population is of youth.
09:17 You have 1.5 to 2 crore youth who have already voted.
09:20 Therefore, the problem is that the connectivity of youth is with youth.
09:23 Only youth can understand the problems of youth.
09:26 Quli Sahib, tell us, this alliance that is being formed against the PPP party,
09:31 MQM, Muslim League, NUNAI, and the meetings that are taking place,
09:36 Today, there is news about a big meeting, in which ANP and other parties are involved.
09:41 What do you think this alliance can do?
09:45 And their claim, especially of MQM, is that we will take our lost seats to the 2013 position,
09:52 And we will get our 17 seats.
09:55 Do you think this alliance is a threat to the PPP party?
09:58 See, forming an alliance is a democratic right, and it is the right of every political party to form an alliance.
10:04 If PMI alliance formed an alliance with GDA or MQM in Sindh,
10:09 Or they went to the Balochistan Nawami Party in Balochistan and formed an alliance with them,
10:15 Or they went to Khairpur Patukhwah and Maulana Sahib and are going to other people,
10:19 We will form an alliance. It is a democratic right.
10:21 One alliance is being formed for the alliance of the elections. One alliance will be formed after the elections.
10:25 The focus of the Pakistani party is to form an alliance through numbers and games after the elections.
10:29 Because you will see that even during the time of Adam Ittihad,
10:32 Majority political parties had guaranteed Asif Ali Zardari and they voted for Shahbaz Sharif.
10:37 Now see, MQM or GDA have never formed an alliance with us in Sindh.
10:41 They have never formed an alliance with us, nor did we have an arrangement.
10:44 So, it is their right.
10:46 The second thing is that when Mian Sahib came from London,
10:49 Where was his first visit? Balochistan.
10:52 And he formed an alliance with the Balochistan Nawami Party.
10:54 So, you must have seen that when Gailani Sahib was voted for by the Balochistan Nawami Party,
10:57 Mian Sahib, Shahbaz Sharif, Mariam Sahiba and their leaders said a lot of things.
11:02 And then they went to him and said that you are our political,
11:07 We call the Balochistan Nawami Party 'Bap', but we don't call it 'Bap' yet.
11:10 We should keep our hands on our heads.
11:12 And the statements that they gave at that time are in front of you and in front of me.
11:15 So, the political 'Bap' has kept his hands on PMI's head.
11:19 Now see how long this hand of love lasts.
11:22 So, the statements of your PPP and Noon League have also been in the past.
11:26 Despite that, you first formed an alliance on the platform of PDM.
11:30 Then you left that alliance too, but remained a part of the government.
11:33 Now you complain a lot about the 16-month cut.
11:36 We have not let this happen.
11:38 We have not let this happen.
11:40 But you did not say anything in those 16 months.
11:44 You were with us then.
11:46 See, the Pakistani party has made great sacrifices for democracy.
11:49 Whether it was the protest at D-Chowk, we were in opposition.
11:53 We played a role there.
11:55 Between the government and the opposition, we corrected those things.
11:59 Now when there was a 16-month government, we agree that we did a long march.
12:03 We formed an alliance for the democratic process, despite leaving PDM.
12:09 Our number game was not much.
12:11 If our number game was more than PMI, then we would have formed a government.
12:13 We were an united party.
12:15 We gave advice, tried to agree with them.
12:21 But you have veto power when you are the Prime Minister.
12:24 The Prime Minister was PM of India.
12:26 We did not want the united government to suffer losses because of us.
12:32 We marched.
12:33 Now we are in the elections.
12:34 We are taking our famous to the people.
12:36 Today, the only Pakistani party that is holding conventions,
12:39 holding gatherings and is present among the people.
12:41 Those who say that we are doing a clean sweep,
12:44 are afraid of going to the people.
12:46 They are looking left and right, looking for the opposition.
12:49 Sometimes in the form of Balochistan Navaami Party, sometimes in the form of MQM, sometimes in the form of GDA.
12:53 So we do not want.
12:55 If they think that they are present,
13:00 Punjab has so much tolerance, then they should hold a convention or a gathering.
13:03 Look, the people are not going.
13:04 They are only going to the opposition.
13:06 So when there will be an election on 8th February,
13:08 then we will know how many votes the people who are talking about the simple majority,
13:13 will get and then according to the number game, the next government will be formed.
13:17 So, Kundi Sahib, the statements that he is making in Sindh,
13:21 is that the bad work that has been done,
13:24 he says, what has been done in 15 years,
13:26 today Karachi has the fourth number in the worst cities,
13:29 India has gone to the moon,
13:30 here the children are dying in the gutter.
13:32 There are many more long lists that are counted.
13:34 So, this work that you have done for 15 years,
13:38 against that, this union has been formed.
13:40 How will you cope with this?
13:42 Secondly, what position are you going to make in Punjab?
13:45 Because there, without the union, they are saying that we have 130 numbers.
13:51 When Nawaz Sharif will do more gatherings, then we will reach 172.
13:55 Look, this was also being said when Hamza Shahbaz Sahib was the CM,
14:00 and the Zimni election came, we also fought two elections,
14:05 in Multan and Karachi of the National Assembly, we won.
14:07 There were 20 seats in Punjab, they said 15, so we are sweeping cleanly,
14:10 PTI won 2, so it is a competition on 3.
14:12 Then how did the people of Punjab suddenly reject him?
14:17 Or PM LNA himself joined hands with Hamza Shahbaz,
14:21 which I doubt more that PM LNA himself joined hands from within,
14:24 that Hamza Shahbaz should continue, not for the CM.
14:27 So where were their votes at that time, when 20 Zimni elections were taking place?
14:30 At that time also they were saying that we are sweeping cleanly,
14:32 as they are saying today.
14:34 As far as Sindh is concerned, I am challenging you from your platform.
14:37 I say that any committee should be formed, come and see our Sindh health system,
14:41 where people are going to get treatment from all over Pakistan for free.
14:44 People are coming from all over the world,
14:45 whether it is a liver transplant, kidney transplant, heart disease,
14:48 cyber knife, whatever you say, people are coming to us in Sindh for free treatment.
14:53 See in our third goal, in terms of jobs, those who used to talk about 1 crore jobs and 50 lakh houses,
14:58 now 20 lakh houses are being built in Silab, Zadgan,
15:00 whose houses have fallen, women are getting ownership rights,
15:03 and those houses, permanent houses, 20 lakh houses are being built in Sindh.
15:06 See the Benazir Income Support Program, 95 lakh women, poor women,
15:10 are benefiting from the Benazir Income Support Program,
15:12 their children are also getting co-tuition fees from the school.
15:15 These schemes, these things, we will take to the public, that we have done these things.
15:19 Our government has done this in Sindh.
15:21 If our government comes to Punjab, in KP, in Federal, then we will do these things in Baku as well.
15:25 So they should also take their statements,
15:26 they will have their own statements, we will have our own statements.
15:28 The public should decide. We say that the public should decide.
15:31 The public should vote for PMI, PTI, PPP, but it should be done through the public.
15:35 There should be no selection and pampering.
15:38 I hope so that Bilawar Sahib will come back and start his campaign.
15:42 The expectations of the PPP are the same as the PPP, right?
15:45 The expectations of the PPP in Pakistan are the same as Bilawar Bhutto Zardari.
15:50 And he is inexperienced.
15:52 I consider Bilawar Bhutto Zardari to be the most experienced among all these people who have come from London or from other places.
15:58 And I consider Bilawar Bhutto Zardari to be the best in terms of his performance.
16:02 Thank you so much, Faisal Karim Gurni Sahib, Tarjuman, Pakistan People's Party.
16:07 And Zahra, the questions that are being asked about the leadership of the People's Party,
16:12 who has the decision-making power, who has the authority,
16:15 there is a lot of debate on that.
16:16 So I will answer all those questions.
16:18 I will take a break here. We will come back after the break.
16:20 What is MQM planning to do in the upcoming elections?
16:23 And of course, after the merger of all the branches of MQM,
16:27 and now the new alliance that they have formed after the legal parties,
16:30 they will participate in the first election which is to be held on 8th February.
16:34 What have they thought? How many seats will they be able to take? We will talk about this after the break.
16:38 Welcome back once again.
16:42 We will talk about the leadership of MQM.
16:44 We have with us Mr. Khawaja Al-Nasir.
16:46 We would like to know that MQM is claiming that when the government of Tehrik-e-Insaf was formed in 2018 or 2013,
16:55 they were very upset that their seats were snatched from PTI.
17:00 And they will go back to the 2013 position, meaning they will take back the 17 seats.
17:06 What will MQM do? Because they have not participated in any election since the merger.
17:12 Everyone knows about the elections in the past. They had a different point of view.
17:16 They have given a lot of explanation as to why they could not participate in the elections.
17:19 Khawaja Azhar-ul-Hassan has joined us.
17:21 Thank you so much, Khawaja Azhar-ul-Hassan.
17:23 Please tell us, how much vote bank does MQM have?
17:32 Talk about Sindh, Karachi, Hyderabad, which you needed to merge with them.
17:39 Thank you. If you look at the governments since 2013,
17:47 especially the government of Wifaq, no matter which party it is,
17:53 be it 2013 or 2018, they are not able to take a clean majority.
18:01 They are not able to take a simple majority.
18:05 And in that majority, the other parties always need it.
18:11 And we have always needed it since 1988.
18:16 Except for a few times.
18:18 So, this time also we thought, because we go to the government every time,
18:25 the people of Pakistan are witnesses,
18:27 we went to the government after making agreements since 1988.
18:32 Our first agreement was with the People's Party, 56 points.
18:36 Then with PTI, you saw, 13 points, then 4 points, then with PDM.
18:44 We always go to the government.
18:48 The purpose of going to the government is not the administration,
18:51 but it is the part of the government's instrument,
18:55 where we at least see our agreements and make sure.
19:01 With PTI, our agreement partially succeeded.
19:07 With PDM, we were very unsuccessful.
19:10 We didn't reach an agreement.
19:12 So, this time also, we have taken all three on board,
19:16 Jamiatul Mahislam, GDA and PMLM, and have already put our demands.
19:25 And if the situation is such that in Ladkana, the majority of the votes are of some other Jamaat,
19:32 and the voters there, who are 5000 or 6000,
19:36 if it is necessary, then a seat adjustment can be made.
19:39 But our traditional seats, there is no seat adjustment on them.
19:43 PMLM is definitely needed in Sindh,
19:47 there is a need for help, the politicians need to build their structure.
19:52 In some time, they have 12 MPS, who went to all the people's parties one by one.
19:58 So, this is their need, and we are in the majority in the party,
20:04 we have seen PMLM dominating.
20:07 So, that's why we started negotiating with you earlier.
20:11 And what can you do here in Sindh?
20:16 Meaning, MQM will go to the 2013 position,
20:20 but you always say that,
20:23 what can we do with a few seats,
20:26 till the time we are in Vifak, our position will not be stable,
20:29 in Sindh, we cannot do anything.
20:31 The unauthorised, which you always tell us,
20:34 whether you become the mayor,
20:36 so with 17 seats or 18 seats, what can you do?
20:40 This is a very valid question.
20:43 Look, our three-dimensional strategy has been there for the past 4-5 years.
20:49 Our first strategy was parliament,
20:52 and you were right, that after the 18th amendment,
20:56 and the way police, police force, and revenue force is running,
21:01 so in Sindh, our government officials,
21:05 a large number of them have become government employees.
21:10 So, not government, but Pakistan People's Party employees.
21:16 So, this is a problem for us.
21:19 But, let me tell you this,
21:21 we made Arbaab Rahim Sahib the MLA,
21:24 Ali Muhammad Gauhar Sahib was also made the MLA,
21:28 similarly, we made Liaquat Jatoi Sahib the MLA,
21:31 and MQM made him.
21:33 MQM had dominating seats.
21:35 So, it is not that it is always written in destiny.
21:39 And if Sindh people understand,
21:42 and especially Bilawal Guttow Sahib, Zardari Sahib,
21:46 go to Lahore and say that we will make Lahore Karachi,
21:50 they go to Faisalabad and say that we will make Faisalabad like Ladakhana,
21:55 and if they do this campaign there,
21:57 and they get votes,
21:59 then we will see what kind of performance they have.
22:02 But they cannot say this,
22:04 nor is their performance in Sindh,
22:07 Karachi is Kashmir,
22:09 we are only different from Karachi.
22:11 But now, we are doing the representation of the whole of Sindh,
22:15 and this voice is of the whole of Sindh.
22:17 Okay.
22:18 You are saying that this voice is of the whole of Sindh,
22:22 but Mr. Murtuz Sahib, you understand something else.
22:24 He says that if the unity is to solve the problems of the people, then fine,
22:28 but he feels something else.
22:30 Then he is also claiming that the PPP has become such a big political force
22:34 that for that, the MQM needs unity.
22:36 What is he saying, let's listen.
22:38 In the system, Mr. Basir Mehman was DIG Hyderabad,
22:40 DIG Sakhar was also there.
22:42 In the same era of the PPP, the PPP was good.
22:44 And Mr. Mustafa Kamal,
22:46 with the PPP, he remained united from 2008 to 2013.
22:49 Ameen ul Haq was also with us.
22:51 I don't understand that people are saying that we have done good things,
22:54 but they are saying that they are responsible for bad things.
22:56 This unity should be there to solve the problems of the people,
22:58 and it is proving that the PPP has become such a force
23:02 that no political party can defeat alone.
23:06 Mr. Khawaja Zahir Hussain, tell us,
23:08 do you think there is a PTI vote bank here?
23:10 And why will it vote for you if you stand with the Noon League?
23:14 Because their voter is obviously an opposition.
23:17 If we talk about the Noon League and PTI,
23:19 both are poles apart.
23:21 First of all, I will tell you that Mr. Murtaza Wahab's political experience is not that much.
23:27 He did not tell the history of the past,
23:29 that is why he gave a very childish statement.
23:33 He should know that in 2008,
23:36 all your leadership came there and
23:39 went to the 9-0.
23:42 He went to our cemeteries and apologized.
23:45 And despite being your majority,
23:48 you helped us in the government.
23:50 And if you stayed in power from 2008 to 2013,
23:54 then came the 18th reform,
23:56 which you benefited a lot.
23:58 The budget of the province was 260 billion rupees,
24:01 today that budget is more than 220 billion rupees,
24:04 but your song is the same.
24:06 Murtaza Wahab's song is the same,
24:08 and the PPP's song is the same.
24:10 Anyway, this is a different thing.
24:12 And PTI's vote bank is there,
24:14 as long as PTI is a registered party in the Pakistan Election Commission,
24:19 and they have a vote bank,
24:21 which interacts with PMLF and PPP.
24:26 And maybe they are upset with us
24:29 that we tried those two parties again.
24:32 But anyway, I have no objection to the fact that
24:35 their vote bank exists.
24:38 Okay.
24:40 And now this claim,
24:42 which Mr. Mustafa Kamal often makes in interviews,
24:45 that he will take 17 seats.
24:47 Who will take the remaining seats?
24:49 Now there are 22 seats in the Sindh Assembly in Karachi.
24:53 Yes.
24:55 Look, we have done all the work here.
24:57 And what Mr. Kamal said,
24:59 that he will take 17 seats,
25:01 certainly, PMLN is seen in two seats here.
25:04 There, as a tradition,
25:07 with Jamia Tulm-e-Islam,
25:09 we can see those seats,
25:11 they will take.
25:13 The rest can be two or three,
25:15 it may be the previous party,
25:17 because their support is not theirs,
25:19 it is not their will and will,
25:21 and it is not even our urban area,
25:23 it is a rural pocket,
25:25 so it is possible that
25:27 the People's Party will remain.
25:29 But if the PTI's Amirbhai Sachin fights,
25:32 then maybe it will be difficult for the People's Party.
25:35 Okay.
25:37 The recent municipal elections,
25:40 have you been scared by the result of that?
25:43 Because the People's Party celebrates it a lot,
25:46 and tells that,
25:48 we have done work,
25:50 so people voted for us.
25:52 They consider it their big achievement.
25:54 The People's Party does not celebrate
25:56 winning the elections.
25:58 The People's Party thinks that
26:00 this treasure is also in our hands.
26:02 They celebrate the happiness
26:04 of winning the elections.
26:06 We have the Mayor's Chip,
26:08 Hyderabad,
26:10 we have the Prime Minister's treasure.
26:12 That celebration is of that.
26:14 Tell me,
26:16 if a 5% vote is taken to make a Mayor,
26:19 600, 150, 250 votes are taken to make a Mayor,
26:22 the result is a Mayor.
26:24 But if you see the overall,
26:26 92% people did not vote.
26:28 8%, 9% voted,
26:30 maximum 10% voted.
26:32 There was the Jamaat-e-Islami,
26:34 PTI, the People's Party,
26:36 so 5% vote was taken to the People's Party.
26:38 The People's Party does not have a vote bank.
26:40 If the MKM was there,
26:42 then the People's Party would not be there.
26:44 We were in some other compulsion.
26:46 Because of this,
26:48 its by-court was very important
26:50 to make sure that people were not
26:52 taking votes from the People's Party.
26:54 It is very interesting that
26:56 people who do not have a vote bank,
26:58 you are talking about the People's Party,
27:00 you are taunting them,
27:02 even though the Noon League vote bank
27:04 is not here, you are standing with them.
27:06 Give me another answer to this,
27:08 what is the reason that people are
27:10 leaving the MKM and joining the People's Party?
27:12 What is the reason for this?
27:14 We only understood that people come to the MKM,
27:16 but do not go back.
27:18 This is the point,
27:20 and I think you should praise the MKM more.
27:22 The MKM is now a
27:24 movement of non-violence and
27:26 non-violence.
27:28 There is no element of fear in it.
27:30 It is a peaceful party,
27:32 whoever wants to leave,
27:34 should definitely go.
27:36 We are certainly sad that the party
27:38 has made people like me,
27:40 a member of the Parliament
27:42 for so long.
27:44 What is the reason for them to leave?
27:46 There can be greed,
27:48 fear, and interest,
27:50 but not views.
27:52 I do not advocate
27:54 their freedom of opinion,
27:56 but when their party's
27:58 views change,
28:00 I make them a target of open criticism.
28:02 Their views are not
28:04 questionable.
28:06 It is not a question of
28:08 whether the child will go to the party
28:10 after so long and
28:12 the MKM's activities will be gone.
28:14 There will be many reasons
28:16 for this.
28:18 Thank you so much, Haji Hasan Hussain.
28:22 I will take a break here.
28:24 We will be back after the break.
28:26 Welcome back once again.
28:32 We will talk about the
28:34 political commentators,
28:36 journalists,
28:38 and the claims made by
28:40 the Noon League,
28:42 especially by Javed Dateeb.
28:44 He said that the ground realities
28:46 of the Noon League are
28:48 130 seats.
28:50 If we hold more
28:52 meetings,
28:54 the number will increase.
28:56 He said that we will
28:58 easily get the 172 seats
29:00 and form our government.
29:02 I am joined by Amir Ilyas Rana,
29:04 senior journalist,
29:06 and Nazir Aghai,
29:08 senior journalist.
29:10 I will start with you,
29:12 Nazir Aghai,
29:14 we are seeing that
29:16 Zardari has said that
29:18 Bilawal is untrained.
29:20 Bilawal is in Dubai.
29:22 There are statements
29:24 that say that this is not the case.
29:26 This is not the case.
29:28 Do you think
29:30 that these are differences?
29:32 There is a different opinion.
29:34 Bilawal's opinion is different
29:36 from Zardari's.
29:38 I don't think so.
29:40 I know both of them.
29:42 I have good relations
29:44 with both of them.
29:46 I have interviewed
29:48 more than 50 people
29:50 of Zardari.
29:52 I know them very well.
29:54 I can say that I know them.
29:56 It is possible that my knowledge
29:58 is not enough.
30:00 I know Bilawal very well.
30:02 I have a good interaction
30:04 with him.
30:06 I think that
30:08 this point of view
30:10 is not a big deal
30:12 that we can try to make it a big deal.
30:14 It has happened many times
30:18 that I have
30:20 found their point of view
30:22 opposite to each other.
30:24 But it was not like that.
30:26 Both of them
30:28 keep democratic values
30:30 in mind and
30:32 disagree with each other.
30:34 They discuss
30:36 and debate.
30:38 But it is not like
30:40 that they have a fundamental
30:42 disagreement.
30:44 I think that
30:46 we don't understand
30:48 this point of view.
30:50 When the
30:52 primary elections
30:54 of the US are going to start,
30:56 when 5-6 Democrats
30:58 and 5-6 Republicans
31:00 will be elected,
31:02 you will be surprised
31:04 how they will talk
31:06 about the failures
31:08 and failures of the people.
31:10 They will also discuss
31:12 among themselves
31:14 who will be elected
31:16 from the presidential race
31:18 and who will be elected
31:20 from the Republican race.
31:22 John Kerry
31:24 and
31:26 Hillary Clinton
31:28 will discuss this.
31:30 You have compared
31:32 the world's finest democracy
31:34 with the people's party's
31:36 internal politics.
31:38 Mr. Amir Zia, do you agree
31:40 with Mr. Nazir Laghari?
31:42 Mr. Nazir Laghari's
31:44 opinion is
31:46 a matter of priority for me.
31:48 There are two ways.
31:50 First, I don't like
31:52 the political behavior
31:54 of Mr. Zardari towards his son.
31:56 Mr. Bilawal
31:58 had said earlier
32:00 that he will listen to him at home.
32:02 All of them have gathered in Dubai.
32:04 But a person
32:06 whose name is Bilawal Bhutto,
32:08 who is the son of Asif Ali Zardari,
32:10 is 35 years old
32:12 and has been the foreign minister.
32:14 He became a member for the second time
32:16 and got fired from the assembly.
32:18 Tell me, was this a matter of the house
32:20 or the party? When did it happen in the party?
32:22 Mr. Zardari said that workers
32:24 are caught in the house.
32:26 Both father and son tell this.
32:28 When did it happen between us?
32:30 When he said that
32:32 all the party members
32:34 are old. Everyone said that it is
32:36 time for us to leave.
32:38 I don't think that such childish
32:40 behavior, no matter how much
32:42 maturity Mr. Zardari gives him,
32:44 should not have been done.
32:46 Yes, if he wants to bring
32:48 the Asifa, then still, it should have been
32:50 launched in a very good way.
32:52 His son should not have done this
32:54 at the political cost.
32:56 Because things are getting worse.
32:58 In 2018,
33:00 you may remember, there was a
33:02 people's party meeting in Lahore in March.
33:04 Big uncles had bet that
33:06 the assembly would be dissolved today.
33:08 Because at that time,
33:10 Mr. Zardari had already
33:12 signed with General Bajwa
33:14 and Bilawal had vetoed it.
33:16 And the assembly could not be dissolved.
33:18 Now,
33:20 this situation has arisen
33:22 where you had also asked
33:24 the same question that the majority
33:26 of the people's party members
33:28 have asked.
33:30 Yes, they have asked to go to the Peer.
33:32 On what basis?
33:34 On the basis of the unity that has been
33:36 formed.
33:38 If someone goes to the Peer and
33:40 does not give the amulet,
33:42 then people do not consider him as a Peer.
33:44 And they are doing politics for power.
33:46 If they say that we will take 60 seats,
33:48 then who will stand with them in the election?
33:50 Any political party that claims
33:52 power in the whole country and
33:54 that BAPB is coming to them
33:56 and the pieces of PTI will also
33:58 be given to them. And he has been to Punjab
34:00 twice, dozens of times in this period.
34:02 That today he got it,
34:04 today he got it, then it became IPP
34:06 and in KP it became PTI parliamentarian
34:08 of Mr. Pravesh Khattak.
34:10 So, he has been denied that position.
34:12 PTI is a carry.
34:14 If he is present in the field,
34:16 then he is PMLN. So, he is claiming
34:18 so that people believe.
34:20 I don't think that the election
34:22 will be a political election.
34:24 If the candidates come,
34:26 then many things will be revealed.
34:28 That Imran Khan's
34:30 eligibility or ineligibility,
34:32 as it seems after a long time
34:34 of Tosha Khanna's case,
34:36 that he wants to return
34:38 from Islamabad High Court.
34:40 Because as long as that case is present,
34:42 his 5-year ineligibility is also present.
34:44 And until then, he himself cannot
34:46 fight the election. More punishments
34:48 will be given. There will be a storm
34:50 and there will be a storm.
34:52 I don't think that this claim is true.
34:54 Okay.
34:56 Mr. Nazir Aghai, the 20 rows
34:58 that have just started,
35:00 I guess 20, 19 or 18,
35:02 are very important. PTI has been told
35:04 that you get the intra-party election done
35:06 or else the mark of the bat will be taken back.
35:08 Similarly, when the election schedule
35:10 comes, before that, it is also necessary
35:12 to decide on Mr. Nawaz Sharif's cases.
35:14 Obviously, the documents are necessary.
35:16 All the processes have to be done.
35:18 Will both the work be easy for both the parties
35:20 or will it be difficult, Mr. Nazir Aghai?
35:22 I think it is very difficult for both.
35:24 I still don't understand
35:26 whether there is such a law,
35:28 such a rule, such a procedure,
35:30 such a rule, such a procedure,
35:32 which undues a decision of the Supreme Court
35:34 or ends it
35:36 or keeps it completely safe.
35:38 How can this be?
35:40 The Supreme Court has declared
35:42 Mr. Jahangir Tareen and Mr. Nawaz Sharif
35:44 both as "not worthy of support".
35:46 After that,
35:48 the case was reviewed.
35:50 It was also reviewed.
35:52 Then, they went and made another law
35:54 which was about practice and procedures.
35:56 In that, they took
35:58 that we will make a law
36:00 which will be applied
36:02 in the future
36:04 and then it will be
36:06 appealed.
36:08 If that law was there,
36:10 it would not have been a legal amendment.
36:12 If there was a legal amendment,
36:14 how can it be a legal amendment
36:16 in the present?
36:18 If someone has been made
36:20 a criminal in the past,
36:22 it is very difficult.
36:24 If they break the law,
36:26 break the law,
36:28 break the law,
36:30 they can do whatever they want.
36:32 No one can do anything about it.
36:34 But the law will insist
36:36 on its existence,
36:38 on its validity.
36:40 It will say that it is present.
36:42 I have the same question
36:44 to Amir Ilyas Rana.
36:46 Amir Ilyas Rana,
36:48 these 20 days are for both
36:50 Noon League and PTI.
36:52 One is for the intraparty elections
36:54 and the election result
36:56 and the other is for
36:58 the cases of Mian Sir.
37:00 Do you think that
37:02 both will be easy or difficult
37:04 for both parties?
37:06 I will answer this in two or three ways.
37:08 The appeals of Rawat Sharif
37:10 will be done in two ways.
37:12 First, the appeal will be done
37:14 and then the validity of the case
37:16 will be decided.
37:18 Now, I will come to the validity.
37:20 When this happens,
37:22 the validity of the case
37:24 will be challenged.
37:26 The Supreme Court has decided
37:28 this.
37:30 I will answer this in two ways.
37:32 In 1988, the case of Benazir Bhutto
37:34 was the case of the Supreme Court.
37:36 11 judges had decided
37:38 that he should be released.
37:40 This was not possible.
37:42 But when the judiciary
37:44 was in love with Imran Khan
37:46 and he was asking him
37:48 to put Nawaz Sharif in jail
37:50 which he mentioned.
37:52 So, a three-deck bench was made
37:54 under the leadership of Saqib Nisar
37:56 and the 11-deck bench was rejected.
37:58 Nawaz Sharif's party was formed
38:00 when the Senate tickets were issued
38:02 5 years and 9 months ago.
38:04 Musaddik Malik, Mushahid Hussain
38:06 and others were released.
38:08 They said that they will give the seat
38:10 to the Chairman.
38:12 I am ending this.
38:14 Look,
38:16 the decision was made
38:18 which is still there.
38:20 The decision was made by the
38:22 Admiral Election Commission
38:24 and it is still there.
38:26 They have already removed Nawaz Sharif
38:28 from the party.
38:30 How will Khan be saved?
38:34 Okay.
38:36 You have given us a lot of information.
38:38 Let's see what happens.
38:40 Thank you so much, Amir Ilyas Rana.
38:42 In the coming time,
38:44 we will know what the opposition
38:46 is in these particular situations.
38:48 I take your leave. Allah Hafiz.
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