Mehngi Bijli Se Aam Awam Ki Jaan Kab Chhootey Gi??

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00:00 you have saved so much money and you are giving it to the people.

00:07 If you had given 90 rupees to the people, how would they have survived?

00:11 Mr. Jai, you know what? I will tell you.

00:14 There is one thing about your cost structure of electricity.

00:19 You did not do it in one day, you did it in many decades.

00:25 The power plants that were installed in the 1990s or even before that,

00:30 are all part of the system as a result of which your cost structure is being defined.

00:34 And from that cost structure, your price per unit is calculated.

00:37 We have two additional issues.

00:39 You see that in winters, the demand is around 8000 MW and in summers it is 26-27000 MW.

00:47 We design the system at 27-28000 MW, so that at least this much is available.

00:53 Although our installed capacity is 40000 MW, but the effective installed capacity is around 28-29000 MW.

00:59 There should be no load shedding in May or June.

01:02 But your main load of the fan and AC is exhausted.

01:08 So, the plants are not used in winters.

01:10 You must be hearing about the capacity payment every day, but the plant is not working.

01:13 This is the basic reason for that.

01:15 This year, our capacity payment is 2.1 trillion.

01:19 So, if the electricity bill that you are getting right now,

01:28 a large portion of that is on the capacity payment.

01:32 If we don't make any electricity, we still have to pay 2.1 trillion.

01:38 So, this is a very big part of the cost structure and this roughly becomes your unit of 19 rupees.

01:43 If we don't make any electricity, the bill of 19 rupees will still come.

01:47 I am saying that this is a part of the cost structure, but the addition to that was the distribution inefficiency.

01:53 In our entire system, there is an inefficiency of 590 billion.

02:01 Now, this inefficiency, Mr. Chaudhary, if you see this inefficiency,

02:06 and if we don't reduce it, then this will eventually have to be paid to the other consumer.

02:12 Right. Mr. Rajeev Lal, I also want to ask you a question.

02:20 You said that the entire state, which you are telling about the result,

02:24 which is roughly 90 to 100 billion rupees, which has been saved,

02:28 which has been saved by whom?

02:29 This was the money of the taxpayer and you have saved it.

02:31 You have done the recoveries, whatever way you have done it, this is all praiseworthy.

02:37 But despite this, there are many states in the MEC who are not even paying their bills.

02:44 And there is a trend from the past, they make a small payment to you and then say that they will pay the rest later.

02:49 So, have you made any mechanism for their recoveries as well?

02:53 Or is it still silent in this regard?

02:56 Yes, I will say this. Sir, it is like this, that there was a very big issue in some time,

03:00 that the various departments of the provinces and federations did not pay us the bills.

03:05 One thing you should keep in mind that now we get the bill largely.

03:09 What happens is that it is delayed.

03:11 There is an issue of their budget releases, which they give after three months.

03:15 For example, the biggest institutions of the federation, which have the highest employment,

03:19 if you look at them, they pay in every case in June.

03:23 At this time, the total volume of such payments is about 50-60 billion rupees, which is the responsibility of the provinces and states.

03:30 But even in the provinces, we have a mechanism that even if they do not pay, we can get as much money from the NFC as they can.

03:38 And this mechanism is also used in the routine.

03:40 Now, in July, we had a disco bill of 10 billion rupees, so we got it from this mechanism.

03:47 So, this issue used to be a very big issue in some time, now there are reconciliation forums.

03:53 Absolutely right. Mr. Alamgir, Circular debt is a big issue.

03:58 You know that it is always in the air.

04:01 What is the solution to it in the near future?

04:04 You know that when the PMLN government came in 2013, it was cleared once.

04:08 It started accumulating again.

04:10 Now every government says that we are tied up, its accumulation is going on.

04:15 How much is it? What is the solution to it?

04:17 How long will we lose our lives from it?

04:20 Look, Circular debt is 2.3 trillion.

04:24 Now, how is Circular debt made?

04:27 There is a cost of your system and there is a revenue of it.

04:31 The shortfall of that can be fulfilled in two ways.

04:34 Either you keep money in the budget, and if you do not keep it in the budget, then it becomes your liability.

04:40 Circular debt means liability, unpaid liability.

04:43 Now, why is it accumulated with us?

04:46 Because the federal government gives tariff differential subsidies.

04:50 You must be aware that it gives tariff differential subsidies to poor consumers.

04:54 If the policy of tariff differential subsidies comes, but there is no budgetary support behind it,

04:59 then the gap will go to Circular debt.

05:03 Similarly, there are two or three such areas of the federal government,

05:06 in which our policy decisions are that there is a famous place called Azad Kashmir.

05:10 The government of Azad Kashmir collects money itself, every year,

05:13 collects money from people, but it does not give the federal government its money.

05:17 The federal government gives 2-3 rupees per unit.

05:22 It gets 5-6 billion rupees in common, but it generates 40-50 billion bills there.

05:28 It keeps the rest of the money with it and uses it for its finances.

05:31 So, they say that we have a contractual dispute.

05:34 But our cost is incurred because we are giving them electricity.

05:37 Similarly, in Karachi, we give 1100 MW electricity every year.

05:42 In Karachi, we should give money to K-Electric.

05:45 But K-Electric claims that the tariff differential subsidies that were to be kept in the budget,

05:50 and the federal government was to give them, they did not give.

05:52 So, in return, they do not give us electricity bills.

05:54 So, these three things are in it.

05:56 Apart from this, there is a FATA area, where there is no metering on domestic.

06:00 There was a policy of appeasement after integration and before that too,

06:03 that until the integration is not complete, you should not come to them.

06:09 We do not give much electricity there, nor is it spread there.

06:12 But you think there is no meter there.

06:14 So, these are the areas that add 200 billion rupees every year to the circular tax.

06:20 that's me.

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