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00:00:00 On today's episode of the Mark Titus Show, Drew Holiday is a Boston Celtic and the Celtics
00:00:05 are the best team in the East now.
00:00:06 Or are they?
00:00:07 I don't know because the Bucs also signed Cameron Payne after getting Dame Lillard.
00:00:13 So maybe they're better, but also the Celtics have gotten a lot better.
00:00:16 But also what about the Miami Heat?
00:00:18 They're the team that went to the NBA Finals.
00:00:20 Are they the best team in the East?
00:00:21 But also what about the Si- nevermind, definitely not the Sixers.
00:00:26 Jason Temp joins the show.
00:00:27 Jason Temp does podcasts for The Volume.
00:00:29 He's been on the show a handful of times.
00:00:32 Great basketball mind.
00:00:33 He's awesome.
00:00:34 I love talking to him most of the time.
00:00:37 Sometimes I feel stupid when I talk to him because he knows way more than I do about
00:00:39 this sport.
00:00:40 But Jason Temp joined me to talk about Dame Lillard to the Bucs, Drew Holiday to the Celtics,
00:00:45 a handful of other stuff going on in the NBA.
00:00:47 I asked him about DeAndre Ayton because I'm always going to be fascinated by DeAndre Ayton.
00:00:52 Just very relevant college basketball player who gets drafted number one and he's kind
00:00:57 of relevant but kind of not.
00:00:59 He gets traded and no one's really talking about that.
00:01:02 Not that they should but it's just a weird deal that DeAndre Ayton was part of this whole
00:01:05 trade and is now in Portland.
00:01:09 I asked him about that.
00:01:10 Is this the last we've really seen of DeAndre Ayton?
00:01:12 Talked about the Suns a little bit.
00:01:13 Talked about the Lakers of course.
00:01:15 You have to.
00:01:16 You have to talk about LeBron.
00:01:17 Jason's the best.
00:01:18 I had a great conversation with him about all things NBA.
00:01:20 Three weeks away I think.
00:01:21 I think the NBA tips off in three weeks if you would believe it.
00:01:25 It sneaks up on you.
00:01:26 A lot of people don't care until Christmas.
00:01:27 I don't blame you but I care.
00:01:29 I don't know.
00:01:30 I don't know.
00:01:31 I get a...
00:01:33 Every time I feel like I talk about the NBA TJ I feel like I got to do the disclaimer
00:01:36 of like yes it is true I have shit on this league a lot on air.
00:01:40 A lot.
00:01:41 I understand that.
00:01:42 But as a reminder folks I do like the league.
00:01:45 At my core I'm an NBA fan.
00:01:47 It's just me being a fan is why I think I hate it so much at times.
00:01:53 So yeah if you're surprised by me liking the NBA continue to be more surprised because I
00:02:00 will continue to follow this league and enjoy it.
00:02:04 Three weeks away it's going to start.
00:02:05 Media Days were today.
00:02:06 Anyway with all that being said let's talk to Jason Tempf about some of these trades
00:02:09 going on and the season that is to come in the NBA.
00:02:13 All right Jason Tempf is here.
00:02:15 You can smell it.
00:02:16 You can feel it.
00:02:17 You can just close your eyes and you can taste it almost.
00:02:19 The NBA is back.
00:02:20 We got media days going on.
00:02:22 We finally at long last the Damian Lohler trade happens which has kind of just been
00:02:25 lingering over the league for so long.
00:02:27 The trigger gets pulled on that.
00:02:30 Not to be outdone the Blazers bring in or I'm sorry the Celtics get Drew Holliday from
00:02:35 the Blazers as part of the trade.
00:02:36 A lot of happenings going on.
00:02:39 I had to bring in Jason Tempf to talk about it because the NBA is it's back.
00:02:43 It's coming back in a few weeks.
00:02:44 I guess let's start with Dame.
00:02:46 What's your what's your like initial reaction.
00:02:48 You see the report.
00:02:49 Was this a surprise to you.
00:02:50 It was a surprise.
00:02:51 It's shocking to me that he's going to the Bucs but I'm also not like living in this
00:02:54 world at all times.
00:02:56 What was your immediate reaction when you saw Damian Lohler to the Bucs.
00:03:00 Well before I get too critical here I should ask you are you.
00:03:03 Do you think it's a good trade.
00:03:04 Are you high on it for the Bucs.
00:03:05 I think I'm about to start making fun of the people that are.
00:03:08 Yeah I think he's burning.
00:03:09 Yeah exactly exactly.
00:03:11 Yeah.
00:03:12 So it's like it's one of those things where it's really this simple to me.
00:03:16 Now you have a pick and roll partner that you have to put you on the ball.
00:03:20 And like Drew Holiday was a very productive pick and roll player last year.
00:03:24 I pulled the numbers yesterday but like there were 30 something players around at least
00:03:27 750 pick and rolls in the NBA last year.
00:03:30 Drew actually ranked fourth in points per possession.
00:03:32 He had really good chemistry with Brooke Lopez.
00:03:35 He shot really well with his pull up three point shot last year.
00:03:38 But like I'm watching the tape and they're running like the most basic drop coverage
00:03:42 against Drew because every other defensive coach is like we'd like Drew is good player
00:03:46 but we'd live with him you know taking these shots right.
00:03:50 And you just simply cannot do that today.
00:03:53 Yeah.
00:03:54 If you ran that coverage on Dame he'd score like one point seven points per possession
00:03:57 like he'd be shooting fifty five percent on pull up threes he'd be getting downhill and
00:04:02 killing teams so like it really is this simple you have to show high or put two on the ball
00:04:07 against Dame which is just going to create absolute nightmare scenarios for the back
00:04:11 line of your defense with Giannis barreling downhill with three good offensive players
00:04:17 around him.
00:04:18 Obviously they got to shore up the two guard position.
00:04:21 Presumably right now they're thinking Pat Connerton.
00:04:23 I think I keep an eye on Reggie Bullock.
00:04:25 He just got bought out by the Spurs.
00:04:28 He's a guy that I'd look at there especially since they're kind of weak in point of attack
00:04:31 defense.
00:04:33 And there are definitely some weird matchup things going on because I think the Bucs are
00:04:36 like weirdly set up to beat Denver.
00:04:39 But like Boston's going to give them all kinds of issues with their perimeter defense.
00:04:44 So like it did league has a ton of parody now man like we had three teams load up right
00:04:48 like we had the Suns load up.
00:04:50 We had the Bucs load up in the Celtics load up the Nuggets looked unbeatable last year
00:04:54 and ran it back and then the Lakers added all this depth.
00:04:57 So it's like there's just so much parody at the top of the league which is what you want
00:05:01 if you're a casual fan of the league I have to imagine.
00:05:03 So that's very exciting.
00:05:04 Oh you mentioned the defense.
00:05:05 I think this is the.
00:05:06 Yeah I was.
00:05:07 I was Jason.
00:05:08 I was high on this trade for the Bucs.
00:05:09 I thought if you can go out and get Damian Lillard you should.
00:05:14 But I guess like you know this is the stars teaming up or stars getting traded to a team
00:05:19 with another.
00:05:20 This is nothing new in the league and we've seen it work.
00:05:22 We've seen it not work.
00:05:23 There are times where you know two super talented guys get thrown on a team and they just don't
00:05:26 gel together.
00:05:28 So if you're trying to nitpick and you're trying to say like this is how it could go
00:05:31 wrong and this is a way that you know Damian removing Drew Holliday putting in Damian Lillard.
00:05:37 Yes he's a better player individually but what does it do to like undo some of the synergy
00:05:42 that this Bucs team may or may not have had.
00:05:45 If you were to nitpick it and say like this is a way that maybe they're not going to regret
00:05:49 the trade obviously you had to do it.
00:05:51 Giannis was getting antsy and you know it's Damian freaking Lillard.
00:05:54 But if there's a world where you're like you know maybe they kind of do miss Drew Holliday.
00:05:59 What does that look like to you.
00:06:02 It's the perimeter defense piece.
00:06:03 So like think of it like this in a Celtic series.
00:06:06 Let's just look two years ago.
00:06:08 You have Drew Holliday as an option to put on one of the Jays right.
00:06:13 Like you're probably putting Drew Holliday on Jalen Brown or Jason Tatum and having Chris
00:06:18 Middleton guard the other.
00:06:20 And now that's just that's just not an option anymore.
00:06:22 Like you're not going to put Dame on one of those guys.
00:06:24 So what that means is Giannis Antetokounmpo who they prefer to keep as a low man.
00:06:28 So like they prefer to keep Giannis Antetokounmpo guarding a non-shooter in the weak side corner
00:06:33 so that he can help at the rim and pick and roll and also recover out to shooters.
00:06:37 He's like he's like one of like two or three guys in the league who can successfully do
00:06:40 both without leaving an opening right.
00:06:43 But you can't do that anymore.
00:06:44 He's going to have to guard probably Jalen Brown and he's going to have to slide those
00:06:47 feet and he's going to have to guard on the perimeter which is of all the things he does
00:06:51 defensively probably the one thing he's not great at.
00:06:54 He can guard bigger stronger players.
00:06:56 We've seen him have success guarding the LeBrons and the bully ball players.
00:06:59 He had some success guarding Kawhi last year.
00:07:01 But when it comes to the really quick guys he can have some trouble there.
00:07:04 And so I think perimeter defense will be the thing.
00:07:06 But like at the end of the day you have to contend with them on the other end of the
00:07:09 floor.
00:07:10 Right.
00:07:11 So it's not fair to be like oh they're going to have trouble guarding on the perimeter
00:07:13 when you accept the reality that like let's bring Kristaps Porzingis up and pick and roll
00:07:18 against Dave Willard.
00:07:19 See how that goes.
00:07:20 You know what I mean.
00:07:21 So like it goes both ways is the is the simple way.
00:07:22 But I said on the show we did last week like when it went down that Giannis is for as great
00:07:28 as he is and I do love Giannis.
00:07:31 He might be in terms of like the all time superstars that exist in this league.
00:07:35 He might be like one of the few guys where you cannot just throw him the ball and say
00:07:39 go create offense and go carry us because our offense is stalled.
00:07:42 Like he's when the Bucs try to do that like Giannis I do love him.
00:07:45 This isn't a criticism.
00:07:46 I'm not like you know I'm not being a Bucs hater.
00:07:48 I'm just this is how I feel.
00:07:51 His version of creating offense is just putting his head down and trying to get to use his
00:07:54 freakish athletic abilities.
00:07:56 And so to have a guy now in Dame because I think like Middleton would get put in those
00:08:00 spots where it's like OK so Chris you go do it.
00:08:02 He's like that.
00:08:03 I'm not that guy.
00:08:04 And Drew is like I'm also not that guy.
00:08:06 And so now to have a guy like Dame who's like I very much am that guy.
00:08:11 It's super exciting and I think like yeah that was my.
00:08:14 This is not just like a you know a situation where like let's just collect the best players
00:08:19 we can find and hope that it works out together.
00:08:21 I feel like Damian Lillard and Giannis are perfect for one another and perfect for especially
00:08:27 like on the offensive end I mean especially.
00:08:29 Yeah that's the correct read like these two guys.
00:08:31 This is not going to be a situation where you know a lot of times and we'll talk about
00:08:34 the Phoenix Suns in a second but a lot of times like you get great basketball players
00:08:39 on the same team and then you're like yeah but there's only one ball.
00:08:42 This is not that right.
00:08:44 It's a perfect synergy on the offensive end.
00:08:46 Giannis actually has declined a little bit as a half court shot creator in the last couple
00:08:50 years.
00:08:51 He you know in 2021 and this is the thing.
00:08:54 It's so hard to do this as a front office but like you kind of have to separate the
00:08:58 way we look at the accomplishment from the realities of the accomplishment like they
00:09:01 won the title in 2021.
00:09:03 It's a legit title.
00:09:04 I'm not undercutting it.
00:09:05 I'm not trying to minimize the accomplishment but I faced the Nets team that was that was
00:09:11 down Kyrie Irving and James Harden had the hamstring injury right.
00:09:15 You got to face an Atlanta Hawks team in the conference finals because Ben Simmons and
00:09:20 Joel Embiid you know peed down their leg in the conference semis right.
00:09:23 And then you got to face again a very good Phoenix Suns team but with no top 10 players
00:09:29 on the roster.
00:09:30 So like when when push came to shove he didn't have to go toe to toe with the Steph or a
00:09:35 Yoke itch or like one of those top tier half court shot creators right.
00:09:38 So like you can you can acknowledge the success and celebrate it while being like OK but what
00:09:43 are we going to what are we going to do now.
00:09:45 Because in order to get out of the East now we're going to have to face these higher caliber
00:09:49 opponents right.
00:09:50 And so from that standpoint like the Dame Lillard piece addresses their biggest weakness
00:09:55 from the 2021 championship team was which was their half court shot creation.
00:09:59 You're right.
00:10:00 Drew Holliday and Chris Middleton they had moments right like drew hit big shots.
00:10:04 Chris hit basically the game winner in Game 7 against the Brooklyn Nets right like they
00:10:08 hit big shots but they weren't consistently reliable in those ways right.
00:10:13 And they were fortunately never up against an opponent that was so much better than them
00:10:17 at half court execution.
00:10:18 So it worked out.
00:10:19 So in this particular situation Giannis his free throws have fallen off of a cliff.
00:10:24 I can't remember the exact number but it was insane.
00:10:26 Giannis shot some putrid number outside of the restricted area this year.
00:10:30 I want to say it was like 28 percent and it was like atrociously bad.
00:10:34 And so like he can't do that stuff.
00:10:36 And in whatever little brief windows of it we saw in 2021 it actually regressed.
00:10:41 He doesn't even have like a left shoulder hook shot like he can't even rise up over
00:10:46 Bam at a bio from seven feet and hit like a hook shot consistently.
00:10:49 So like you needed somebody that could take over those late game situations and execute
00:10:55 offensively and that's what Dame's going to be able to do.
00:10:58 And that completely relieves the pressure on Giannis.
00:11:01 Now he can just be great at what he's always great at.
00:11:03 He can devote more energy to like imagine.
00:11:06 Remember how fatigued he got in that series in 2022.
00:11:09 Like that's not going to happen anymore.
00:11:11 Like he's going to literally be a wrecking ball in all of the dirty work areas of the
00:11:14 game.
00:11:15 I think it makes perfect sense for them as a basketball.
00:11:18 Seeing Giannis in the playoffs and the defense is just simply not guarding him on the perimeter
00:11:22 and like the guy that's supposed to be guarding him standing under the basket and Giannis
00:11:26 is just looking at it.
00:11:27 He's sizing it up.
00:11:28 He's like should I shoot it.
00:11:29 He almost looks to the bench like should I shoot it.
00:11:31 And the coaches are like no please don't.
00:11:33 He's like I'm a fucking shoot it.
00:11:35 And it's an air ball.
00:11:38 Just a brutal thing to watch.
00:11:39 And I imagine having Damian Lillard on the team means a lot fewer instances of that which
00:11:44 I would be very excited about if I was a Bucs fan.
00:11:47 So you talked about the Bucs needing to obviously they lose in five games to the Heat.
00:11:51 But even if that didn't happen you still need to get better.
00:11:53 You still need to you know make some moves to strengthen your team here because there
00:11:58 are some some beasts in the East that are going to give them problems.
00:12:01 One of them is the Boston Celtics that Drew Holliday has now ended up on.
00:12:05 This was the big trade that happened yesterday.
00:12:09 Now I guess that's like the big argument back and forth is like who is who should be favored
00:12:14 the Bucs or the Celtics.
00:12:15 It feels like it's a little bit of a two horse race.
00:12:18 Yeah I mean like I guess we'll do the same thing with Drew.
00:12:20 Like what what does this look like to you like what the new look Celtics with Drew Holliday.
00:12:24 I imagine you're going to say as I feel like this was a great move for them.
00:12:29 But yeah what do you anticipate.
00:12:31 Did the Boston Celtics get demonstrably better in your eyes than they've been in the last
00:12:34 few years.
00:12:35 Yeah I think they did.
00:12:37 So Drew Holliday to me is the exact same archetype as Marcus Smart.
00:12:41 He's like a capable offensive player that occasionally can go off script and be a little
00:12:46 over aggressive right and has a little bit of a power game like we'll play out of the
00:12:50 post so does Marcus.
00:12:51 And then on the defensive end of there like these elite top tier point of attack defenders
00:12:55 that are capable of switching on to forwards which makes them super versatile in a playoff
00:12:59 scheme when you have to do variations of pick and roll coverages and switching right.
00:13:03 But Drew's a better version of Marcus in my opinion.
00:13:06 Every single one of those things.
00:13:07 He's a better spot at player he's better pick and roll player he's better post player he's
00:13:10 a better version of Marcus.
00:13:12 You needed Marcus as the vehicle to get you to Chris OPS for Zingas contract.
00:13:16 Yeah.
00:13:17 And the idea behind the Chris OPS for Zingas contract is you want to have a little bit
00:13:19 of the best of both of Horford and Robert Williams which is Chris OPS for Zingas is
00:13:25 a much better rim protector and a traditional drop coverage than Al Horford is.
00:13:29 But he can shoot like Al right.
00:13:31 And so the problem was is they go with Robert Williams at the five and their offense would
00:13:34 suffer but they'd be better defensively or they'd go with Horford at the five and their
00:13:37 offense would be better but their defense would suffer right.
00:13:40 Porzingis gives you kind of a better option there.
00:13:42 Also teams switch against the Celtics a lot because they love baiting Tatum and Brown
00:13:48 into ISOs because those two can really struggle in those situations right.
00:13:52 So like giving yourself a post up threat in Porzingis who can attack switches on the opposite
00:13:57 end as a you know posting up a small and he was particularly good with duck ins and like
00:14:03 creating angles for I'm not talking like dump it down and 17 dribbles post up like he would
00:14:08 get duck ins and seals and quick catches finishes right.
00:14:11 So like that that is a huge weapon to have in a playoff series and then Drew Holliday
00:14:15 can post a little bit as well.
00:14:16 So the way I look at it is you use Marcus Smart to get you Porzingis and then you brought
00:14:20 back a better version of Marcus Smart.
00:14:23 Now obviously losing Robert Williams hurts you to some extent and now you're really thin
00:14:27 on that front line and if like Porzingis goes down or if Horford goes down you could be
00:14:31 in some trouble.
00:14:32 They did sign Wenya Gabriel who I like but unfortunately Woj lied about his height yesterday
00:14:36 and said he's seven feet tall.
00:14:37 He's definitely not seven feet tall.
00:14:39 No he's not seven feet tall.
00:14:41 No he's not.
00:14:42 So like I think it definitely limits their margin for error a little bit but I think
00:14:45 it raises their ceiling significantly.
00:14:47 Yeah I mean relying on Porzingis who's had health problems in the past obviously and
00:14:51 a 37 year old Al Horford who's been awesome but is also you know I'm I as a man in my
00:14:58 mid to late 30s it's just it's sadly sadly my body does not feel better than it you know
00:15:04 you don't like suddenly feel better.
00:15:06 Things start to fall apart is what I'm saying and you know Al Horford's a different different
00:15:10 breed of human than I am but I don't know that would be the question to me is just sort
00:15:14 of some of the depth issues.
00:15:15 I do find it fascinating Jason how Celtics fans who the Marcus Smart conversations in
00:15:21 the last 24 hours are cracking me up because as you said Drew Holiday is basically a better
00:15:24 version of Marcus Smart but all the people that hated the Celtics for years were trying
00:15:29 to tell Celtics fans that Marcus Smart actually sucks and when he won the defensive player
00:15:32 of the year you're like this guy just flops he's nothing he's terrible this is stupid
00:15:35 this is annoying and then now he's not on the Celtics anymore.
00:15:39 Drew Holiday's there it feels like the Celtics haters were like you guys are going to miss
00:15:42 Marcus Smart so let's let's pump the brakes you know like that's a big loss for the Celtics
00:15:46 and the Celtics fans are like no we're not.
00:15:47 He was never anything to us.
00:15:49 We never cared you know.
00:15:50 I love I love NBA fandom.
00:15:52 So like yeah what is the what is the biggest downside would you say for the Celtics the
00:15:57 depth is that the because you know I mean losing Grant Williams letting Grant Williams
00:16:00 walk I feel like that's Grant Williams is not the not a superstar per se but he did sort
00:16:05 of embody the Celtics ethos a little bit and I feel like some of these core guys that when
00:16:10 you turn on Celtics playoff games are getting a lot of run or not on the team anymore.
00:16:14 Would that be it would be the depth of this team that you worry about.
00:16:18 Yeah Grant Williams is an interesting guy because like he didn't play much last year
00:16:22 we all remember him coming in and getting absolutely flamboyant by Jimmy Butler in that
00:16:25 one game right.
00:16:26 But the truth of the matter is is he's a very matchup specific type of forward that you
00:16:31 like to have on the roster specifically for a Bucs team or a Nuggets team.
00:16:36 One of the best ways to guard Giannis is to have a kind of a fire hydrant forward that
00:16:41 can beat him to spots and force him to shoot shots over the top.
00:16:43 Grant Williams famously actually defended Giannis pretty well and through the first
00:16:47 five six games of the conference semis two years ago right.
00:16:52 But then even with Yoke itch like it's kind of known that the best way to guard him is
00:16:55 to put a fire hydrant forward on him that just pressures him like crazy and then have
00:17:00 a freak athlete on the back line that can kind of toe that line between helping at the
00:17:05 rim on Yoke itch when he spins off of this guy and getting out to a shooter or dunker
00:17:09 right so like Grant Williams is a more significant loss and I think Celtics fans realize because
00:17:14 you didn't need him last year right.
00:17:16 But like again versatility is everything in the playoffs it's like the Lakers right like
00:17:19 one series you're using Rui because you're not having him chase off of screens as much
00:17:24 but then you go into a warrior series and suddenly Jared Vanderbilt becomes way more
00:17:27 valuable because he can navigate off of screens right and then then all of a sudden you go
00:17:31 to the next round and Rui is valuable again like you want to have versatility in these
00:17:34 positions and you know I don't think they're going to miss Malcolm Brogdon much because
00:17:41 Derek White's just better than him in my opinion as a playoff player I think he's just more
00:17:46 dynamic on both ends of the floor but specifically Grant Williams and Robert Williams it's just
00:17:51 front court depth and like now you're in a situation where you could be in some serious
00:17:55 trouble now the one upside is drew is such a good switch defender that in theory they
00:17:59 could float during stretches of the regular season by going small but in terms of playoff
00:18:04 flexibility I think they are going to need another big at some point the one team in
00:18:08 the East we haven't talked about yet because it seems like all the conversations are what
00:18:12 who's going to win the East the Bucks or the Celtics those are the two options the team
00:18:16 that played in the NBA finals last year the Miami Heat the team that was supposed to I
00:18:19 mean depending on who you're listening to supposed to get Damian Lillard I guess my
00:18:24 first question Jason it do you think that the that the Portland Trailblazers just completely
00:18:28 hate the Miami Heat was this like the fact that the fact that the Blazers are involved
00:18:33 in these two big moves and in both of them they strengthen the two Eastern Conference
00:18:36 rivals for the Heat when David Lillard was like please trade me the heat and they said
00:18:40 not only we're not going to trade you the heat watch this that yeah wait like where
00:18:45 where are you if you're a Heat fan sitting here today seeing those two teams get strengthened
00:18:50 yeah are you like hopefully the Heat culture can can save us in the end I mean like I don't
00:18:56 know I you think you're getting Damian Lillard you look up and Jimmy Butler's wearing emo
00:19:00 hair at media day and you're like what world am I you know like what is going on what just
00:19:03 happened in the last couple few days you know I hate this damn game that we play every time
00:19:08 there's a trade to where it's like the agent comes out to like the athletic or to Yahoo
00:19:13 Sports and releases like the the player side of the story right and then two days later
00:19:18 it's like here comes Adrian Wojnowski with like the the really like pensive deeply thought
00:19:23 out you know piece about the how the general managers are actually navigating this and it's
00:19:28 like who the hell knows what actually happened I do think that Miami Heat fans greatly overestimate
00:19:33 the value of their assets like I can tell you like Tyler Harrow was the very worst you
00:19:39 know like kind of like live ball dribble I so player in the league last year he can't
00:19:44 beat people off the dribble the way he can and pick and roll so like he needs very specific
00:19:48 coverages to succeed there were like 82 players ran at least I think a hundred I so last year
00:19:53 he was dead last in points per possession it was rough and in like GM's around the leaguer
00:19:58 like this dude already makes 30 million he doesn't defend super well on offense he's
00:20:03 kind of depends on the matchup whether or not he can be successful so he doesn't carry
00:20:08 a lot of value Nikola Jovic good player good young player but I promise you he's not a
00:20:13 blue chip or the chipper that GM's are going to move mountains for and then they have draft
00:20:17 picks for a franchise that is literally the best franchise in the NBA that it never sucks
00:20:21 so like what what is what's the value of a late first round draft pick like they have
00:20:25 won the most playoff games since LeBron came to the league in 2004 by a lot and they've
00:20:30 won the fourth most regular season games since 2004 so it's just not a good option there
00:20:35 and what's really annoying is when you look at the big picture you have the best coach
00:20:40 in the NBA in my opinion in Spolstra and you have a proven playoff duo and Jimmy and Bam
00:20:46 that like legit give everybody problems so like they just need firepower but it's like
00:20:51 they just can't get into these arms races because they don't have the assets to make
00:20:55 the move so like part of me wonders if you're better off like cutting your losses and taking
00:21:00 a riskier option you know what I mean James Harden doesn't strike me as heat culture but
00:21:05 like at the end of the day are you really gonna run this back with are you gonna run
00:21:08 this back with the talent they have right now because they lost Struce they lost Vincent
00:21:12 they got Josh Richardson who I really like Josh Richardson's a good player but he's not
00:21:17 any demonstrable amount better than Max Struce as a two guard that can shoot and attack off
00:21:23 closeouts and stuff so like they legitimately are worse than last year and the window is
00:21:28 closing so like where what's the aggressive move what do they do and they might have to
00:21:32 accept the reality of what assets they have to offer and target something a little less
00:21:37 enticing like maybe a Jordan Clarkson you know like like just try to find somebody out
00:21:43 there that can make it so that Jimmy Butler's not the only guy on the damn team who can
00:21:46 create his own shot you know I mean the downside to heat culture is that you spend all this
00:21:50 time I guess the heat don't but like the the conversations around the heat are that they
00:21:54 got these players that nobody else thinks anything could they couldn't do it Duncan
00:21:58 Robinson you know you take a guy like Duncan Robinson we plug him into our culture and
00:22:02 I know Duncan's fallen out of favor the last year or so but we can we can take him and
00:22:07 turn him into this great player and we and we alone are good at like finding these diamonds
00:22:12 in the rough now the flip side of that is when it's time to use these assets to trade
00:22:15 of and your whole thing is like all these assets we have we're the only people that
00:22:19 can figure out how to use them well then every other team is like yeah we don't have any
00:22:22 fucking use for your you know we don't have we don't have heat culture in Portland okay
00:22:26 we need good players we need good players and you don't have any yeah so um what one
00:22:34 guy who kind of like slipped under the radar in this trade that I find fascinating because
00:22:38 I'm more of a college basketball guy I know you're you're in Arizona you're an Arizona
00:22:41 guy yourself so I want to talk to you about DeAndre Ayton a little bit at this point I'm
00:22:46 not surprised DeAndre that the sons moved on from DeAndre and it did seem like a marriage
00:22:50 that had kind of hitting the rocks there but is he damaged goods would you say like is
00:22:54 he like where is the DeAndre Ayton perception around the league because this guy was obviously
00:23:01 the number one pick in a draft that's very famous and I felt like I felt like he's a
00:23:06 really good player I felt like he was he's always been a good enough player to just make
00:23:09 you frustrated that he's not better but he's still like a pretty good player in my eyes
00:23:15 but you know the the discourse around DeAndre Ayton and Phoenix just seems like it got to
00:23:19 a point where this was not a surprise they moved on from him where where do you see his
00:23:23 career going from here is this like the last we've seen of DeAndre Ayton playing meaningful
00:23:26 basketball I don't think so I mean he's super super talented I think this is a hundred percent
00:23:32 of self-awareness issue like when we go back two years ago before dominating was a thing
00:23:37 back then it was like he was willing to screen and roll and play defense and rebound and
00:23:42 he was really a deeply impactful player for an NBA finals team but some somehow over the
00:23:48 last two years I don't know if it's his inner circle I don't know if it's just his frustrations
00:23:52 with Devin Booker and Chris Paul in general or Monte Williams but like he got to a point
00:23:57 where he was like I'm better than what they're using me for so I'm no longer willing to do
00:24:01 these dirty work things I want to be more of an offensive fulcrum and so what I think
00:24:06 is happening right now for him could actually be good for him because if he goes to Portland
00:24:11 and finds out once again that running an offense through DeAndre Ayton is probably not a good
00:24:15 idea then he might eventually over the years kind of embrace what his real role is think
00:24:19 of it as like Dwight Howard's not a good cop because Dwight Howard in his prime was so
00:24:22 much better than Ayton so I want to be clear I'm not trying to compare the two but do you
00:24:27 remember how like eight or Howard like wanted his post touches and right he'd turn and shoot
00:24:33 that stupid alligator arm like a little bank shot and it a couple sweeping hooks and you're
00:24:37 like you're like Dwight like dude if you just protect the rim and screen and roll we're
00:24:41 gonna beat everybody you know right Keto Turkey Glue is just better at offense than you I'm
00:24:44 sorry man you know like it like if when he got to the point where after going through
00:24:49 Houston and going through those you know the three years where he was on three different
00:24:53 teams when he landed in LA he was so devoid of like any sort of you know cache to be able
00:25:00 to walk in a room and be like throw me the damn basketball that he had no choice but
00:25:04 to embrace this role and he was a deeply impactful player for the Lakers that year he was one
00:25:08 of their five best players in my opinion so like like it that's kind of the way I see
00:25:12 the DeAndre Eaton career process going I think he's gonna have a probably a three four year
00:25:16 stretch here in Portland where he puts up big numbers on a bad team but every time he's
00:25:21 in a big game or every time he's in some sort of high leverage moment his offense is not
00:25:25 reliable and so eventually he just kind of embraces the reality of what he needs to be
00:25:30 and then he has like a late career self-awareness phase where he's better as a role player that's
00:25:35 kind of the way I see it yeah like some contender picks him up and he yeah gives him like yeah
00:25:39 15 minutes a game or something and wins a ring and then he's like suck it haters I was
00:25:44 good all along we're like well I mean your role in that championship team isn't quite
00:25:48 what we thought it was going you know well you know what you know what enjoy the title
00:25:53 DeAndre enjoy the title so the Suns this is old team the team that traded them they are
00:25:58 the most fascinating team to me going into this NBA season because you know you get Bradley
00:26:03 Beal and you have all this firepower and they have gotten better but at the same time I
00:26:08 mean if there is one team that I would point to that I would say you know the proverbial
00:26:13 there's only one ball it's this team where they does feel redundant now guys who play
00:26:18 on the wing and can score will never fall out of style in this league so like you know
00:26:22 if you have five of those on the court you're in good shape but what where do you land with
00:26:26 that like in your anticipation of what this Phoenix Suns team will be do we do we anticipate
00:26:32 there being a problem with these guys mission or do you think you know we'll see more of
00:26:36 what we saw in the playoffs which is like Durant and Booker were just just went nuclear
00:26:41 and then maybe throw Bradley Beal in there he goes nuclear to suddenly you got three
00:26:45 dudes averaging like 35 points a game and it's like you know how is anybody gonna stop
00:26:49 these guys like where how do you what are your what's your read on Phoenix entering
00:26:53 the season I is similar to the Dame thing like let's not galaxy brain this putting those
00:26:59 three guys together they're gonna be really damn hard to guard and there's gonna score
00:27:02 a shit ton of points like that's just going to happen yeah the thing that's interesting
00:27:06 about it though is is you like I actually had a mailbag question that I'm hitting in
00:27:12 today's show that someone asked that was really interesting he goes you know with the parody
00:27:16 at the top of the league what's gonna separate teams now like is it gonna be luck and I look
00:27:23 at that and I go actually I think that's where things like continuity and like natural basketball
00:27:28 fit and commitment to the dirty work could end up being what separates these teams because
00:27:33 like the Suns have a ton of firepower but so does Boston and so does Milwaukee and then
00:27:39 Denver and LA kind of have a more of a physically imposing profile but they have a big problem
00:27:44 that they compose teams so what is gonna separate teams and you called it redundancy I call
00:27:49 it like diminishing returns whatever you want to call it but this concept of like just here
00:27:53 I'll give you an example if I had this exact same basketball team but I could replace Bradley
00:27:59 Beal with contagious called well Pope right who's a guy who thrives playing off the ball
00:28:05 who is an excellent closeout attacker who sprints in transition like crazy for corner
00:28:10 threes and he's one of the best one leg leaping guards in the league so he can finish at the
00:28:13 rim really well in transition and just in general is is a championship level dirty work
00:28:18 role player do I get more out of him in this situation whereas like obviously if I've swapped
00:28:24 KCP and Bradley Beal with the Wizards the Wizards get way worse you know I mean like
00:28:27 that's the concept of diminishing returns here and that's the thing is like what player
00:28:32 on this team is a good starter level player whose reputation is that they defend and rebound
00:28:40 like who's who like and you just got demonstrably worse in my opinion at center the hate ain't
00:28:46 all you want like Nurkic isn't is not an upgrade there now all the Intel says that the Suns
00:28:52 think he's gonna be better at navigating short rolls meaning like every time they put two
00:28:56 on the ball they're thinking Nurkic is just gonna be better at making those reads run
00:29:00 in the four on three but my thing is like he's a guy who's consistently not healthy
00:29:05 and is a considerably worse defensive player and like I wouldn't be shocked if Drew Eubanks
00:29:11 ends up playing actually most of the minutes at center when things actually matter so like
00:29:15 it just might think that's my thing is like one of those guys maybe it's Beal maybe Beal
00:29:19 says I'm gonna be like KCP and I'm gonna guard like crazy on the perimeter and I'm gonna
00:29:23 do all these little things but one of those guys has to like at least one has to dive
00:29:28 into the dirty work KD has to have his best defensive season as a pro like all these guys
00:29:32 have to buy in because you just can't win without that stuff anymore not when all the
00:29:36 other top teams are stacked with talent - I'm so glad you brought that up because I think
00:29:39 that was the difference for Denver this year where I think the obvious answer as to why
00:29:44 the Denver Nuggets won a championship this year and they haven't in the past couple or
00:29:49 whatever is that Jamal Murray was actually healthy for the playoff run but I think the
00:29:53 real answer if you're really paying attention and looking at the way they're handling the
00:29:57 roster is bringing in guys like KCP and Bruce Brown and Aaron Gordon where they didn't become
00:30:03 a defensive minded team but what you said like they started leaning on guys that are
00:30:06 more willing to do the dirty work and I do find that fascinating we always fall into
00:30:11 the same trap of just completely neglecting that stuff as basketball fans like people
00:30:16 just want to talk about the star power at the top and yeah I think that's ultimately
00:30:20 why Denver won the championship I don't think they yeah I mean I think like the yes obviously
00:30:26 getting Jamal Murray healthy was the biggest reason but I think if you have a healthy Jamal
00:30:30 Murray and you don't have a KCP and you don't have a Bruce Brown you don't have these guys
00:30:34 that want to do the dirty work they're not winning the NBA championship last year and
00:30:39 it's such a weird thing because yeah I don't know if fans like fully appreciate that and
00:30:45 yeah I'll be curious to see if the Suns if that'll end up biting them speaking of like
00:30:49 speaking of the Nuggets why the Nuggets aren't the Nuggets are good the Nuggets like why
00:30:54 yeah they're still really good right like they should I mean I since the Bucs and and
00:30:59 Celtics have gotten better it feels like those are the two teams that Vegas loves and all
00:31:03 everybody loved like should the Denver Nuggets still be favored to win the championship Jason
00:31:08 so here's the thing they I love the way you broke down like the synergy piece because
00:31:13 it really is that simple like the Nuggets were a talented team I don't want to sit here
00:31:16 and act like it was yo kitchen a bunch of scrubs because it's not what it was they were
00:31:19 they were talented team but I don't think they were the most talented team in the league
00:31:22 last year they were the best basketball team but they weren't the most talented basketball
00:31:26 team last year so all of that like synergy and like all the you know be the total being
00:31:31 more than the sum of its parts all that junk definitely was working for Denver I do think
00:31:35 the Bruce Brown piece is significant because like he legitimately dominated his matchup
00:31:41 in every series yeah and it's a huge thing like again like the Lakers got swept and I'm
00:31:47 not saying that without Bruce Brown the Lakers would have won the series I don't think that's
00:31:50 the case they have bigger issues that they have to solve but like Bruce Brown whooped
00:31:55 D'Angelo Russell's ass like embarrassed him in front of the entire world so much so that
00:32:00 you're like wow how did he get 18 million a year after this like you know what I mean
00:32:04 like how is it that he gets 18 and Bruce Brown gets 22 and a half like they're in completely
00:32:08 different stratospheres as players right and I like Christian Braun he's gonna help they've
00:32:13 got some other young guys that they think can step in and play roles but at the end
00:32:17 of the day like I do think that specific piece makes them a little bit worse but at the end
00:32:22 of the day as long as that core five guys is healthy they're gonna be equally as capable
00:32:26 of beating any one of these teams I think they were rightfully the favorite before all
00:32:32 these trades and I think after the trades it makes sense that I haven't seen if the
00:32:36 Celtics odds have changed but I know the Bucs passed them in the championship odds but like
00:32:40 they they they probably are right behind those two just because those two teams got demonstrably
00:32:45 better right and the Nuggets got a little bit worse you know and and I do think that
00:32:49 that factors in what about the Sixers what the hell's going on I mean it's it's the
00:32:54 moments come and gone right like we can I as a cash I mean I'm not a casual NBA fan
00:32:59 I'm somewhere between a casual and your level of NBA fandom I don't have to pay attention
00:33:05 to the Sixers right like I can pay attention to Joel Embiid but like as a franchise tweet
00:33:10 yesterday no what do you say he tweeted out like this summer's been fun yeah he showed
00:33:18 up in the presser today basically was like yeah not great but you know I think honestly
00:33:24 the worst thing that happened I think was that Daryl Morey got to win the Ben Simmons
00:33:30 trade basically so like he turned one of the most distressed assets in the league into
00:33:37 James Harden who at the time was considered like a massive win for the Sixers like six
00:33:41 or so like holy crap we won this deal right but here's the thing like James Harden had
00:33:46 to nuke his value in Brooklyn to get to the point where that trade was feasible and since
00:33:52 then all he's done is further nuke his value like he had these two incredible games in
00:33:58 the Celtics series right like 40 plus points game winners like significant like championship
00:34:04 level performances he was so so ass in every other game that entire playoff run he shot
00:34:13 below 30 percent in six of the 11 playoff games it's crazy like just go to basketball
00:34:18 reference and look at the box scores from his playoff run like it's it's unfathomably
00:34:22 bad and so then he follows that up with nuking the front office in the media and no showing
00:34:28 camp I don't know if you saw that he no show camp yes so like like like literally he had
00:34:34 so Daryl Morey I think Daryl Morey literally looks at this and goes I'm going to play the
00:34:38 slow game and some magic trades going to materialize and here's the thing maybe he does and he
00:34:43 can rub it in all of our faces again but like I have a hard time believing James Harden
00:34:47 is actually worth much at this point at all and I'd also argue keeping him on the team
00:34:53 is worse because when you get to the postseason he gives you nothing so like like if there
00:34:57 was one season he would like last year he was in better shape than he had been in recent
00:35:01 years he started taking mid-range jump shots again he finally wasn't the best player on
00:35:05 the team so he could be in a lesser role and not have as much pressure and he still fell
00:35:09 apart so like at what point do you realize like I'd be better off with a guard who likes
00:35:14 to play defense you know like I'd be better off with a point of attack defender like at
00:35:18 what point do you think like a role player might actually make the team better and if
00:35:22 you're not careful here at what point does Joel Embiid just demand a trade I know and
00:35:26 then all hell breaks loose you know if I was him I'd be thinking about it that seems like
00:35:30 where it's headed so you authorize you authorize my listeners to just not care about like we
00:35:34 don't have to if you're paying attention to the Sixers because you're like yeah the Sixers
00:35:38 have been they haven't been to the finals but they've been in the mix every playoffs
00:35:42 I've watched the for X number of years I better pay attention to the Sixers this year because
00:35:46 what if this is the year they break through I if you don't want to do it I'll do it I
00:35:51 authorize everyone to just not pay attention to the Sixers this year they are they are
00:35:54 not worth your time it is Embiid was sneaky bad Embiid was sneaky bad he was yeah sure
00:36:00 he was like and so when you've got when you've got probably of the top tier superstars the
00:36:04 worst playoff performer and Embiid of the top tier guys and your supporting cast got
00:36:10 demonstrably worse yeah I don't see any universe where that doesn't become I mean I like Tyrese
00:36:15 Maxey a lot but he ain't saving that shit you know yeah I'd be remiss if I didn't bring
00:36:20 up LeBron at some point and the Los Angeles Lakers so I guess like my my big LeBron question
00:36:29 is how do we see the the exit strategy going what does his retirement look like like what
00:36:36 do you what do you see the next few years for the because I think the plan was always
00:36:39 Bronny gets the NBA and then they team up and then maybe does a year or two of them
00:36:43 and then he rides off into the sunset Bronny has the heart condition at USC which I think
00:36:48 he's gonna eventually start playing again but we're not really sure he was kind of on
00:36:52 the fence as to whether Bronny was like a legitimate NBA prospect anyway like what what
00:36:57 do you envision with LeBron James the next few years what do they look like will he compete
00:37:02 for an NBA championship again either this year or you know in the in the immediate future
00:37:08 do you see this man playing until he's 55 and just like you know making every single
00:37:14 record untouchable in the league like at what point do we I know LeBron retirement conversation
00:37:21 is have kind of started the last couple but like at some point it's going to come like
00:37:26 what what is your read on all of that it's interesting because so LeBron actually did
00:37:31 say that his son had a surgery today at didn't have the surgery today but he talked about
00:37:35 it today at media day his son had a surgery and he's on track to return to the court so
00:37:38 that's that part of the story the I mean I think the far more likely scenario is that
00:37:47 that Bronny ends up staying multiple years in college and why wouldn't he because he's
00:37:52 not a top tier lottery pick and the dude's just gonna make a shit ton of money on NIL
00:37:56 while he's there anyway and and like what real advantage is there for him to go into
00:38:00 the league and play in you know in some end of the bench role you know what I mean now
00:38:05 who knows maybe ends up you know coming over to the Lakers is undrafted free agent but
00:38:10 I have a hard time believing LeBron's gonna want to leave this particular basketball situation
00:38:14 especially when you factor in that it involves the Lakers so I think more than likely the
00:38:18 idea of the two of them playing together is an extreme long shot at this point but obviously
00:38:23 it is on the table I just think it's more likely that LeBron retires before Bronny even
00:38:27 leaves USC yeah as far as this Lakers team goes it's interesting because it's I'm in
00:38:32 this weird position where I genuinely believe they had a fantastic offseason but didn't
00:38:37 address any of their specific issues that beat them in the Nugget series so like I really
00:38:42 like Gabe Vincent because you needed an off ball guard when you have D'Angelo Russell
00:38:46 and Austin Reeves and LeBron James you don't need another Dennis Schroeder that's gonna
00:38:50 run a bunch of pick and roll you need a guy who's willing to play off the ball as a guard
00:38:53 and Gabe Vincent is a very good off ball guard I really like Torian Prince because both of
00:38:59 their forwards are a little one-dimensional Vanderbilt defends like a three but he on
00:39:03 offense he's like a four like you're not gonna guard him right Rui Hachimura is like a four
00:39:07 but on on defense he's a little big and a little upright and he can't really navigate
00:39:11 on the perimeter super well so he can't navigate screens so that's why he couldn't play much
00:39:15 in the Warriors series Torian Prince is like the actual three the guy that defends like
00:39:20 a three and can play offense like a threes I really like that pickup the two centers
00:39:25 they got legitimately like them both Christian Wood on a veteran minimum that's a great deal
00:39:30 Jackson Hayes on a veteran minimum that's a great deal but the three things that got
00:39:33 you beat in the Nugget series is Bruce Brown is way more athletic than all your guards
00:39:38 and kick their ass for four games and you didn't get any more athletic in the backcourt
00:39:42 right to your over-the-top shot making sucks LeBron James and Anthony Davis can't make
00:39:47 jump shots anymore who did they get that's like a knockdown I like Austin Reeves a lot
00:39:52 but he's not gonna not gonna make a ton of tough contested pull-up jump shots in a playoff
00:39:56 series he's gonna make some shots and pick and roll he's gonna hit some make some big
00:39:59 plays and then at the center position remember last year LeBron had to play center with the
00:40:04 bench groups and those groups got demolished I like Jackson Hayes and Christian Wood but
00:40:10 are they guys who can play playoff minutes at center I don't know so like it's weird
00:40:15 because they genuinely did get better and deeper and they're gonna be a very good regular
00:40:19 season team but if they ran into Denver again Denver deserves to be a heavy favorite because
00:40:23 all of those same weaknesses still apply and I'm not sure how they address those without
00:40:28 flipping D'Angelo Russell at the deadline and some sort of super aggressive move which
00:40:32 I'm not sure if they're gonna do well there is good news coming out of Los Angeles the
00:40:36 Anthony Davis said he's planning on playing all 82 games this year so so there is that
00:40:42 that's excited we should be excited about that that's definitely going to happen he
00:40:45 will definitely he wants to so you will I'm sure no I'm sure nothing will happen it's
00:40:50 it's really just a decision I know Austin Reeves listen I like the guy I watching him
00:40:57 in the World Cup was fun I you know the butts coming I'm worried I'm worried that the the
00:41:05 the expectations are out of control I'm worried that like I'm worried that like people are
00:41:10 going to expect him to be Dwayne Wade to LeBron like this is the heatles and Anthony Davis
00:41:15 is Chris Bosh and Austin Reeves is Dwayne you know what I mean like the way like the
00:41:20 every time this man takes a court it's like his legend just continues to grow and at some
00:41:24 point people are gonna have in their minds of like the kind of player Austin Reeves is
00:41:28 they're gonna watch the game there but wait a second this guy's not that's that's that's
00:41:31 not that's not even close to as good as I thought he was um I don't know that's just
00:41:36 something I'm monitoring because the Austin Reeves hype is out it's crazy but I'm just
00:41:40 like sort of worried that it's a runaway train at this point well the height I think the
00:41:44 hype is all relative like the hype I hope so relative to him being an unathletic white
00:41:48 dude yeah at court like that that's really what it's relative to right so I I think I
00:41:53 think a lot of times we're like I feel like I'm screaming from the mountaintops like this
00:41:57 guy's good not like he's great I I don't think he's gonna be an all-star most likely at any
00:42:03 point in his future but like the dude had 20 points in the playoffs eight times last
00:42:07 year he's legitimately like a really really good basketball player the way I'd frame it
00:42:13 is like think of him more as like a man who Ginobili type he's it I think he's going to
00:42:18 be a legendary role player on a lot of really good teams for a very long time people associate
00:42:25 him with foul grifting the dude makes it like he gets more and ones than a lot of the players
00:42:30 in the league like he's not trying to grift he's trying to make shots he's just good at
00:42:32 getting defenders out of position he's also a little bit of a grifter but let's just let's
00:42:37 just it's more complicated than that right he's a dead-eye three-point shooter he's a
00:42:41 very good pick and roll ball handler he's one of the best players in the league at attacking
00:42:44 closeouts and for on you know a below average NBA athlete he's very committed on the defensive
00:42:49 end and does his job and I like and even that one game where he got his ass kicked by the
00:42:54 I think it was a Lithuanian's if I remember correctly like he was a great post defender
00:42:58 in all of the other USA games and also that's Steve Kerr scheme he likes to switch and leave
00:43:02 you on an island so like that's just kind of the way it goes but like again I don't
00:43:06 want to be clear Austin's not an all-star but he's a very very good player who plays
00:43:11 a role at a championship level and I think he's going to be a deeply impactful playoff
00:43:15 player on a really good team for the rest of his life and I think that is just a big
00:43:20 gap from what people think of him which is an undrafted unathletic white dude in the
00:43:25 backcourt you know like I think I think that's where the I think well I was from I for the
00:43:31 entirety of his career at this point he is outpaced expectations and when you do that
00:43:35 the expectations shift and my fear is that yeah we're like a few years away from everyone
00:43:41 being like damn Austin Reeves has never once been the best player on a tie you know like
00:43:45 on a team that's gone deep into the playoffs is he really like I don't know it's just crazy
00:43:49 because like it's it's a good problem to have he plays well like seemingly every time he
00:43:53 takes the court but uh yeah there were times during that World Cup where it felt like he
00:43:57 was I wouldn't say carrying the team but he was he was he's pulling out he's awesome um
00:44:03 speaking of which how much do you care about the world USA basketball in general how much
00:44:07 do you do you care about the idea that we sent a roster full of NBA players to a world
00:44:13 championship and they didn't even get a medal so again like I think I think this actually
00:44:18 goes to the bigger conversation we were having earlier about synergy and like grouping players
00:44:23 together that play roles like to me uh the Germany team with Dennis Schroeder and Daniel
00:44:30 Tice and Franz Wagner like they're not they're not exceptionally talented but they complement
00:44:35 each other extremely well and I think the reality is is like our best is obviously going
00:44:40 to go over there and kick everyone's ass I think that's just I think next year if they
00:44:43 send Anthony Davis LeBron KD Steph Katie just said today yeah we're whoever it is Katie
00:44:49 said today he's going he said during his meeting he's like yeah yeah we're I'm playing in the
00:44:53 Olympics yeah and and like if LeBron's not injured I would imagine he'll play as well
00:44:58 and like they're gonna they're mainly just because that specific group of guys is like
00:45:03 automatic basketball synergy you know like especially with LeBron being willing to be
00:45:08 the ball screener and the guy who rebounds and does all the dirty work like it's gonna
00:45:12 work like I think I think they'll be fine but like I think they need to be more careful
00:45:15 with these between years of not picking the best players who are willing to go but guys
00:45:21 who are willing to play roles like the Brandon Ingram example is the best example like is
00:45:25 Brandon Ingram a better basketball player than Austin Reeves yeah obviously but Austin
00:45:30 Reeves is better on Team USA than Brandon Ingram why is that because Austin Reeves is
00:45:36 a player who is a professional at playing alongside other good basketball players whereas
00:45:41 Brandon Ingram is like a heliocentric shot creator and when you take the ball out of
00:45:45 his hands he becomes less impactful and he hasn't played a lick of defense since he left
00:45:48 the Lakers so like that that's the issue right so I'd like to see them in general just construct
00:45:54 the team with that in mind more which is weird because don't you remember the the redeem
00:45:58 team it was like oh we're gonna bring back Michael red yeah Michael red yeah yeah it
00:46:02 wasn't a Sean Prince on that team too I can't remember exactly who was on the team but they
00:46:05 brought I think they brought like a bunch of guys who are more role player archetypes
00:46:11 and and we're like we're gonna get guys that are actually willing to do a job and and that
00:46:16 that's where that's where I could see them having a lot more success and a great example
00:46:20 is like going with Tyson Chandler in 2012 right you know instead of instead of a star
00:46:25 center you go with Tyson Chandler because this is a dude who's who just won a championship
00:46:29 protecting the rim this is what he does best like let's bring him out there you know I
00:46:33 think I think that even our third string teams can beat the world if they're more properly
00:46:40 constructed and then also Steve Kerr also needs to be a little bit more flexible with
00:46:44 the scheme you can't ask everybody to play like the Warriors man like it's not like you
00:46:47 can't just yeah I don't think that's a good idea yeah that's my fear is that they they
00:46:50 just continue to construct the roster by just like googling who are the best American basketball
00:46:56 players or something or just like looking at like the NBA all-star team sports reference
00:47:01 sort by points per game click on every player is he American oh he is all right let's throw
00:47:06 him on the team which is you know sexy it's a great way to do a video game team you know
00:47:11 if you're if you're playing 2k that'd be sick but it doesn't always work on the world stage
00:47:16 last basketball question I have for you the midseason tournament why what a sell sell
00:47:24 a casual basketball fan on like what's good they're actually doing this huh like this
00:47:29 is actually a thing I thought this was I thought this was just like Adam Silver kicking the
00:47:33 tires and just taking a temperature of the room on how people would feel about this but
00:47:38 they're going through with it how jacked are you for this Jason this is gonna I'm sure
00:47:43 I completely don't understand it I still I still don't get how it works either like okay
00:47:49 all of the games count as regular season games except for the championship game there's some
00:47:55 sort of cash reward but it's non-disclosed there's no other type of reward I don't like
00:48:02 to me they're just regular season games branded differently and like I genuinely I want to
00:48:08 be clear because like now I wasn't one of the guys who disliked the play in tournament
00:48:11 but like I think there were a lot of people who did and then saw it in practice and were
00:48:15 like oh this is actually pretty cool you know like it it actually does keep teams engaged
00:48:19 more often in the regular season because more of them think they have a chance and then
00:48:22 the playing games themselves are highly entertaining this is great but I I think I think we need
00:48:27 to give this a chance I'm just having a really hard time seeing that's kind of that's kind
00:48:33 of where I'm at I'm like nobody asked for this but I'll try it I'll watch it all you
00:48:38 know there maybe there's a world where I'm like damn that was really cool but I just
00:48:41 can't really as of right now I can't really picture why I would think that about about
00:48:46 this thing very very confusing but whatever all right last thing for you you went to the
00:48:53 dead and company final concert in San Francisco you're a deadhead how was it just just how
00:48:59 was it I guess that's my question is how was it I tried to watch it and my stream wasn't
00:49:03 wasn't great but uh yeah how many shows did you go to this summer I only went to two this
00:49:09 summer I actually had tickets to four my wife and I were gonna go to see all three in San
00:49:14 Francisco but then it ended up turning into this thing where all of a sudden like six
00:49:18 of my friends were coming to and we were like let's go to white country and I'm like okay
00:49:21 like I'm not gonna drag my wife away from her friends to three dead and company shows
00:49:25 right so we ended up just going to the Sunday show the final show with the where they did
00:49:28 the drone show yeah and man it was incredible um the I had seats in the left seat left field
00:49:35 bleachers which was really cool because we got to sit down the whole time and every time
00:49:40 I look down at the pit I just imagine it being a complete have you ever gone to the pit I
00:49:44 have yeah yeah is it is it as much of a shit show as a little bit yeah I mean there's pockets
00:49:49 it depends on what pocket you're in you know like but yeah it can it can get it can get
00:49:53 a little grimy down there for sure for sure so so we were the left field bleachers and
00:49:59 it was really nice because we were like looking out over the bay and so that that was really
00:50:02 really cool they played a bunch of my favorite songs the Alfie has always been my favorite
00:50:07 the one that was a huge bummer is I thought they were gonna play sugary that night and
00:50:10 then they did it but they ended up playing it at the gorge I think like four shows prior
00:50:13 um dude I had so much fun with this tour though and I had that I had that app the the nugs
00:50:19 dotnet so yeah I got to like every day after the show I got to listen and um honestly man
00:50:26 I'm gonna be I'm gonna miss John playing with those guys that's what I was gonna ask you
00:50:30 like what's it what's next is like I feel like deadheads need some version of like the
00:50:35 18 band like whatever some there's a million Grateful Dead cover bands and if you if you
00:50:40 love the dead music you can go listen to people you're like there's a dive bar probably within
00:50:45 five miles of all of us someone's playing Grateful Dead music but I feel like the community
00:50:50 needs one band that that they point to and like this is the one this is the one where
00:50:54 we're all going and like you know they're doing the tour and all this sort of thing
00:50:58 and I don't I don't know where they go from here I don't know what's next and it makes
00:51:01 me really sad I mean like I saw someone pitch the idea of of John and like you know Jeff
00:51:06 and and Jay Lane on the drum like let Mickey and Bob ride off into the sunset Bill kind
00:51:10 of already is let those guys ride off in the sunset let the let the guys that were in dead
00:51:15 and company for this tour go continue to play and then call it Uncle John's band and I like
00:51:21 that idea because John Mayer would be the you know the lead of that but I think there
00:51:24 needs to be one band and I don't know I don't know what to do next summer I don't know what
00:51:27 we do Jason what do we do the Uncle John the Uncle John's band is idea is a dope idea honestly
00:51:32 like what's cool is I started watching dead and co or listening to dead and co because
00:51:37 of John but I ended up falling in love with all the other guys like I think yeah I think
00:51:41 Jeff Chimenti is insanely so good he like he literally stole the show at the at the
00:51:46 at the Oracle Park show with Franklin's Tower he was incredible and like literally lit the
00:51:50 stadium on fire it's crazy and and I want to I want to hear all these guys keep playing
00:51:54 now John on his Instagram page said like dead and company is still a band we just don't
00:51:58 know what is next and so I have a hard time believing he's gonna put down the music forever
00:52:02 here's my one concern though John's a weirdo and he goes through phases he's like I'm gonna
00:52:07 move to Montana and wear rugs for two years like he's gonna do it like he's he's a weird
00:52:12 guy so like and now he's doing these solo tours which are all like acoustic heavy whereas
00:52:16 he just finished the what was his last album called I'm blanking on it the last train home
00:52:24 one the the what was that called why can't I think of what it's called hang on I gotta
00:52:29 I gotta look it up but like that album was his kind of like modern sob rock album sob
00:52:35 rock it was kind of like his modern modern blues album that kind of follows some of the
00:52:40 bluesier stuff that he was doing with dead and co so like I'm hoping he doesn't go into
00:52:44 a phase and basically put down his electric guitar for two years really piss me off so
00:52:48 I'm especially since like this dead and company thing kind of has me riding high on that type
00:52:53 of music but what I've been doing man is I've been going back and listening to some of the
00:52:56 old dead stuff and like honestly like I really I really appreciate how hard john worked to
00:53:07 kind of have the the a little bit of that jerry garcia style mixed in with his style
00:53:14 yeah because it almost it almost sounds like it's like his interpretation of his kind of
00:53:18 the music and like going back and listening to the old stuff has caused me to appreciate
00:53:21 that more yeah that well that's what makes me so sad that they're done is because I felt
00:53:25 like this tour they they were just fine like they were at their peak and it like all started
00:53:29 just coming together so perfectly and anyone who says they want to see bands go out on
00:53:33 top you say that because you say that when you go see like a band that's like way past
00:53:38 their prime and they're just kind of going through the motions and all that shit but
00:53:41 then when you see a band that is literally at their peak and they're like all right we're
00:53:45 done now that's very frustrating because you're like that's we could have had so much you
00:53:49 guys are you guys are gelling at an unbelievable level um no man I the last show I went to
00:53:54 was in boulder uh and uh mickey you saw drone show too didn't you yeah I think there was
00:54:01 I don't know I'll tell you this Jason I saw a drone show I don't know if there actually
00:54:04 was one if you know what I'm saying I looked up in the sky and I was like there's some
00:54:10 shit flying around up there I don't know if it's real but it's up there do you get into
00:54:15 the weird stuff because like the last couple years in particular it's funny because like
00:54:20 my uncle used to tell this to me because my uncle was like an old so my uncle my dad's
00:54:24 twin brother is like a crazy deadhead that like before the internet became a thing he
00:54:30 was like a broker for recorded shows and like you'd call him to be like I need the cd from
00:54:35 1977 at Cornell you know that kind of thing and so like he used to tell me he'd be like
00:54:41 he'd be like Jason one day you're going to be listening to dark star and you're going
00:54:44 to be like I get it now yeah yeah and it's funny because like it happened to be the last
00:54:49 couple years because I found myself like just especially at the oracle park so I'm like
00:54:52 I'm liking this too much for all of the songs and when I started it was only some of the
00:54:57 songs this is getting a little weird yeah I'm fully on the bus man I'm I got a lot of
00:55:01 thoughts on what I yeah I picked up the dead like not too long like later in life but I've
00:55:08 gotten to the point where I you can play songs and I can kind of get close to like what year
00:55:12 it was and like what yeah I don't know I don't know I not the basis not that I'm trying to
00:55:16 flex my knowledge or whatever but it's just like I've had those moments too where I'm
00:55:20 like I might be in too deep or am I I don't know if we start talking about the European
00:55:26 tour that yeah that's where we start to have some yeah it's like we might as well cut it
00:55:30 off you're the man dude thanks for doing this Jason Tiff hosts hoops tonight with the volume
00:55:34 go go subscribe if you haven't already basketball season around the corner he is the best basketball
00:55:41 show that I listen to I love your stuff so much that's why we love having you on here
00:55:44 Jason thanks so much we'll do it when the season gets rolling and we'll bring you back
00:55:48 but uh appreciate you making time man hell yeah brother looking forward to next time
00:55:53 all right thank you to Jason Tiff always a pleasure talking to him he's so good at breaking
00:55:56 it down and uh can do you understand what he's talking about TJ in general not usually
00:56:00 okay no I was trying to you know not an NBA guy but he does he he knows ball he knows
00:56:06 ball yeah and I I think he does uh he yeah he just knows the game he's he's a hooper
00:56:11 man too I I said this last time he came on the show but uh go go to Jason's uh Twitter
00:56:16 account he posts highlights of himself playing all the time which I you know some people
00:56:20 if you're an insecure little bitch you might say like damn why does he do that is he bragging
00:56:24 and uh I I disagree I think it's awesome I think everybody should do that I think like
00:56:29 Rico Bosco sent me a clip of him hooping the other day and he's like if only they knew
00:56:34 or something I was like Bosco let him know let him know like put that out there keeping
00:56:39 your own yeah dude you got to put that out there especially if you're in basketball media
00:56:42 because there's so many dorks that that can't hoop um that you gotta every so often let
00:56:47 him know that you can you can play and Jason does a great job of that and uh I don't know
00:56:51 he's awesome he's the best always love having him on the show uh and it was fun uh talking
00:56:55 a little dead I I saw that he went to the final concert I was so jealous of him I made
00:56:59 a mental note next time he comes on the show I want to talk to him about Grateful Dead
00:57:03 and then I I started and I was like I think we could do this for three more hours we got
00:57:07 to get out um some shout outs before we go first I want to shout out uh speaking of LeBron
00:57:12 James he has another son his one son uh did not go to Ohio State again I'm I'm not saying
00:57:18 this is why I'm just I'm just saying two facts draw your own conclusions uh he had Ohio State
00:57:24 on his final list he did not choose Ohio State and then not long after he had a heart condition
00:57:28 that had to make him stop playing basketball these are facts I didn't say one led to the
00:57:32 other I'm just stating facts um but LeBron does have another son his other son is named
00:57:37 Bryce James and this weekend according to Joe Tipton who is the recruiting guru uh of
00:57:43 the internet of college basketball according to him Bryce James will be on campus at the
00:57:50 Ohio State University this weekend for the Maryland football game um and that is noteworthy
00:57:55 obviously because it's LeBron other LeBron's other son taking a visit but also TJ this
00:58:00 was the one weekend that I had circled as me making my trip back to my annual trip I
00:58:05 take back to Columbus for one football game a year is this weekend I will also be in Columbus
00:58:09 I will be at the practice he will be at wow just like I was there for Bronny James visit
00:58:14 so they are rolling out the red carpet is what you're saying for Mr. James I think the
00:58:19 James family loves me I think they only take visits when they know I'm coming back to campus
00:58:23 um but also if I was on campus last time and Bronny didn't pick Ohio State was it my fault
00:58:32 shit maybe I shouldn't go probably I would say probably maybe I shouldn't go I did speak
00:58:37 to the team that I told this did I tell the story on this show I told the story on the
00:58:41 other show I did before I thought yeah that's did I tell on this you gave a speech in front
00:58:45 of Bronny James is that what you're about to say oh that's right yeah I didn't work
00:58:48 here yet I was that was on another show yeah I when when Bronny made his official visit
00:58:52 to Ohio State I was they obviously the security for practice was pretty tight because LeBron
00:58:58 and Gloria were there no Gloria's the mom who's Savannah right so yeah life uh LeBron and Savannah
00:59:04 were uh and and Bronny were on the visit and they let like nobody in the gym um except me
00:59:12 and the reason they let me in because because Holt had set up like in the weeks prior even
00:59:19 before they knew Bronny was coming he had asked me to he was like Ty you coming to the Notre Dame
00:59:24 Ohio State football game I was like yeah and he's like will you speak to the do you mind speaking
00:59:27 to the team after practice and I was like what and I said I said coach when I was on the team
00:59:33 I wasn't even allowed to talk and now you want me to talk to the guys he's like yeah he's like
00:59:38 I don't know I was like what do you want to say he's like I don't know just talk about
00:59:40 talk about some shit I don't know just talk he's like you want a lot of games here I was like
00:59:44 do you know who I am like anyway so he had set this thing up for me to speak to the team
00:59:49 and then Bronny said I'm taking my official visit on that weekend and so on the lead up I was like
00:59:55 holy shit I'm going to be giving a speech in front of LeBron and Bronny and my speech might sway this
01:00:01 kid like in my head I'm like if I give a if I give a hell of a speech he's gonna commit to Ohio State
01:00:04 on the spot but then in the end Bronny and LeBron and Savannah left practice like 10 minutes after
01:00:11 it started I never heard honestly probably for the best and they went to the football game and I
01:00:16 and they didn't hear my speech anyway but yeah so I'm gonna be there I'm gonna be in the gym when
01:00:20 Bryce James is there so I don't know if LeBron will be there too give a speech I should just go
01:00:25 dap him up like we like you know like what's up man get a yeah yeah yeah there's a uh there's a
01:00:33 uh famous picture oh not that famous but in my circles it is uh when LeBron was on the Cavs
01:00:40 they played a preseason game at the Schottenstein Center our arena and um so we were sponsored by
01:00:47 LeBron uh you know LeBron's got like his own brand with Nike we were the first Ohio State was the
01:00:53 first LeBron school in a way that like you know a lot of these schools are Jordan schools we were
01:00:56 LeBron school um so LeBron plays a preseason game in Columbus and there's some sort of like
01:01:04 ceremony before the game where we are presenting him with a jersey uh that that's I don't know
01:01:11 it's just like the LeBron Ohio State jersey we're presenting it to him and um as as this is going
01:01:18 on I weasel my way behind LeBron and behind Coach Mata and I am in the picture just like making a
01:01:24 cheese dick grin standing over both of their shoulders uh it is very funny um but yeah maybe
01:01:30 he'll remember that maybe I'll show him the picture be like good to see you again bro uh
01:01:33 what else what else uh shout out John Fanta you sent me this yeah calling bowling matches
01:01:39 I had no idea he had this in his arsenal but holy hell he's good at this
01:01:42 John Fanta is so good at this isn't he it doesn't really surprise me that much for some reason
01:01:48 dude he's like the the one clip of him he's like I forget the guy's name but he's like and here's
01:01:53 TJ Hitchings father of three one beautiful baby girl and two big old strong boys and then the
01:02:02 strikeout and I was like damn dude the cadence was perfect like the lead up to it the um you're
01:02:07 giving me a backstory of his life like he's he's doing it for them he's doing it for the
01:02:10 and it's a strike ah that's amazing I didn't know John Fanta had that up his sleeve dude
01:02:17 that was incredible so shout out to him for that what else uh shout out to Ole Miss football fans
01:02:22 storming the field when they won then they beat LSU I love that I love that the SEC is like finds
01:02:28 their fans when they do this and that all of the the stuck up nerds that that run the schools in
01:02:34 the SEC um don't want this to happen they badly are trying to prevent storm fielding and uh um
01:02:42 or field storming I guess it'd be and uh uh court storming and and all the other stuff uh
01:02:47 but I love that the play I love that the fans do it anyway that's that's that those are the
01:02:51 best case scenarios is when the adults are like you better not I swear to god you better not and
01:02:55 then they're like watch this stop me bitch and then the one security guard yeah the video of the
01:03:00 clock just like playing offensive line basically trying to block one of the 25,000 people that
01:03:06 were storming the field I don't know what the goal was there yeah that was awesome so um but I I am
01:03:13 very pro storming the court storming the field um when Colorado did it when they beat Colorado
01:03:17 State I was like yes please do that but the best ones are in the SEC because the SEC says we will
01:03:22 find you uh so all the schools like turn up the security they try very hard to make it not happen
01:03:27 and when you see an SEC court storm or field storm it's extra special to me so shout out to Ole
01:03:32 Miss fans for doing that finally the Ryder Cup was an embarrassment fire everybody fire everybody
01:03:36 fire them all um I'm disgusted uh I watched a couple holes of this thing I don't know what
01:03:41 happened but I just think we fire everybody and uh but also at the same time if we actually sent
01:03:46 our best players um we would like we kind of sent our B team if we're being honest right like if we
01:03:51 would have sent our A team uh we would have smoked those euros um yeah what a stupid thing that was
01:03:58 what a stupid tournament the Ryder Cup turned out to be shout out Max Homa though dude he was
01:04:02 balling yeah Max Homa hit that chip in and turned around was just like that's what we need
01:04:08 pointed a finger in the face of the fan dude that was awesome if all golf was as hype as that golf
01:04:15 is like I don't really understand the team format still and you know the score bugs only got more
01:04:21 and more confusing as the events went on it seems at one point it said like one one up two tie three
01:04:27 tie four Europe one down I was like I don't know what what's the score but if all regular golf was
01:04:33 as hype as that golf was I think golf would be like the most popular sport in America I'm always
01:04:37 every time I watch the Ryder Cup I'm shocked to see how much these people these these guys the
01:04:42 players I mean uh care about it um because to me it's like I don't yeah it's an interesting idea
01:04:48 and I'll watch if I can but you know you're also teeing off at 3 30 in the morning and stuff um
01:04:53 but then you got like uh who was the uh the captain of the Europeans Luke Donald was that who it was
01:04:59 was it Luke Donald sounds like a European yeah it was Luke Donald Luke Donald was the captain of
01:05:04 the Europeans you got Zach Johnson's who's the captain of the Americans both these dudes are
01:05:08 like bawling their eyes out after the event like Luke Donald's like this is the highlight of my
01:05:12 career everything I've won doesn't matter compared to this this is the most important thing uh and
01:05:17 then Zach Johnson's crying he's like I fucked up I ruined everything I'm gonna go kill myself
01:05:21 because I was the captain of the United States team that got smoked by the Europeans and I'm
01:05:26 I'm watching it like I mean I like that people care and I like the emotion this is why we watch
01:05:31 sports but also like kind of came out of nowhere I'm like I yeah I forget that this is the most
01:05:35 important thing in the world to these people um how often do they do the Ryder Cup every two years
01:05:40 so two years from now it's in uh it's in Bethpage in New York um it'll be back in America that's
01:05:45 gonna be or no I guess but a hell of a run for sports in America's because don't we have we have
01:05:52 that and then the Olympics the year after and then the World Cup like two years after that yeah
01:05:56 yeah hell yeah we're back dude how about that USA um yeah that is I can't wait for the Olympics
01:06:04 to be in America that's gonna be so sick for being completely honest we should host everything
01:06:09 yeah we should host everything I mean come on instead of like crippling the economy of other
01:06:15 small cities around the world that want to do it like and then they have to build 15 stadiums in
01:06:20 three years and it costs 10 billion dollars we already have all the stadiums yeah yeah the World
01:06:25 Cup's being played at like 20 different venues across America yeah LA and 28 is like they're
01:06:30 they're they're not building the only thing they're doing is like just insane amounts of
01:06:33 construction on the yeah on the airport that's just LA but that's just LA dude but yeah I remember
01:06:39 like uh two years ago they started doing some construction on LAX people were like yeah it's
01:06:44 anticipation for the Olympics and they're expecting a lot of people to come to LA and I was
01:06:50 like bitch look around like what were you yeah we got the people the people are already here
01:06:54 like oh okay so traffic's gonna be bad is that what you're saying all right got it
01:06:59 um all right that's all I got you got anything else uh no just thanks to anybody from this
01:07:04 audience that tuned into the stream on Friday night yeah that's right we gotta shut you out
01:07:08 for that dude that was incredible I still can't believe you did that I still can't believe you
01:07:11 showed up in my apartment how do you feel about that honestly well you showing up yeah was that
01:07:15 a misfire I thought it was a joke and then the front desk called and said is there do you know
01:07:20 what Titus he's here for you and I say oh yeah send him up like I thought it was funny I thought
01:07:25 it was awesome I was tanked at the bar man and I was I was I was like I should send something but
01:07:30 I should I was like I need to I need to help TJ out somehow what should I do and I was like the
01:07:35 only thing I can think is like I should just go over there and clap it up yeah I just get in his
01:07:39 living room and just clap him up and cheer him on um but then it was all like a whirlwind and and I
01:07:45 already told you this but like once I got to your living room and I'm watching you play I was like
01:07:49 damn I don't really know what's going on here and I'm saying shit in the chats like keep up Titus
01:07:56 where we've already answered those questions like I watched the the genie guy like shape shift right
01:08:01 and I was like whoa where'd that come from and you're on you're on like hour seven and we've
01:08:05 seen the genie shape shift a thousand times already um and then I'm bitching about von kaiser
01:08:11 who is like a nobody on this game he's just level two yeah uh he's a level two guy and I'm like dude
01:08:17 we gotta beat von kaiser we gotta do whatever it takes to beat von kaiser and you're like I beat
01:08:20 von kaiser four hours ago um yeah but I I wanted to come support you but then I was also like I
01:08:26 don't know how TJ's gonna feel me just popping into his apartment at midnight that was funny
01:08:30 unannounced that was uh that was good uh Titus this guy gets it points too my mom texted me like
01:08:37 a hundred times she was like love that Titus guy what a nice guy there you go I get it um
01:08:42 yeah I don't know Brandon Walker nowhere to be found Brandon Walker did not show up but I did
01:08:48 uh yeah dude that was that was freaking awesome but then it made me then I started getting jealous
01:08:52 and I was like dude I want to play old school video games on the live stream set it up we got
01:08:56 to set that up so all right thank you to Jason Tim thank you everybody uh listening watching um
01:09:02 basketball season might be here we're officially in preseason mode we're officially in preseason
01:09:06 mode it's October that's preseason um yeah I'm I'm fired up we're gonna we're gonna do a lot
01:09:12 more basketball shows on this on this program moving forward but uh yeah thank you for for
01:09:17 listening and watching be sure to subscribe and and and all that good stuff and we will see you
01:09:21 on Thursday