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- Muhammad Ali Durrani (Senior Politician)
PML-N leaders' story of "Good Bajwa and Bad Bajwa" unravels
"Awam Kay Liye Sab Say Bara Challenge...", Muhammad Ali Durrani
"We had concerns about Bajwa, Faiz but...," M. Zubair's big statement regarding Qamar Bajwa
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00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Maimon, Architect of Stories.
00:14 It is a new election, old news.
00:16 Which way is the Moon League heading?
00:19 We will talk about this in the first part of the program.
00:21 After that, what is the mission of Mohammad Ali Durrani?
00:23 He has started his track to diplomacy again.
00:26 But can we see any positive results from this?
00:29 We will talk about this in the second part of the program.
00:31 In the last part, the file of the Faizabad Dharna case has been opened again.
00:34 What was this decision?
00:36 We will read it again and tell you.
00:37 What was the basis of the decision behind the hearing on 28th September?
00:43 Let's start.
00:44 This week, the date of Nawaz Sharif's return is finalized.
00:50 Along with that, Nawaz Sharif has set the new narrative before his return.
00:57 Four judges, some generals and some national criminals cannot be moved forward without
01:04 being punished.
01:05 Nawaz Sharif, please listen to this.
01:07 The judge sits and keeps the Prime Minister, who has a mandate of millions of people, running.
01:13 And who is behind him?
01:16 General Bajwa and General Faiz are behind him.
01:20 These people who have brought the country here, they will reach the Kaifur character.
01:24 Absolutely reach.
01:26 But a few days ago, Rana Sanaw Allah was on a television show.
01:31 It was Tala Sussain's television show.
01:33 And he said something amazing there.
01:35 On the record, Rana Sanaw Allah agreed that PMLN had given the extension so that the government
01:40 of Imran Khan could be run in return.
01:42 In so many words, he said that.
01:44 Please listen.
01:45 Despite this, General Bajwa is the same army chief who was signed by your party on the
01:50 extension and was properly arranged to give him three more years.
01:55 I am not saying that he should be given three more years.
01:58 I am saying that he should be given three more years.
02:01 I am not saying that he should be given three more years.
02:04 I am saying that he should be given three more years.
02:07 I am not saying that he should be given three more years.
02:10 I am saying that he should be given three more years.
02:13 I am not saying that he should be given three more years.
02:16 I am saying that he should be given three more years.
02:19 I am not saying that he should be given three more years.
02:22 So, in this situation, some things are being seen in a different way, but their implied
02:30 effects are of a different nature.
02:33 Sir, Rana Sanaw Allah is saying that General Bajwa was released from the PTI government
02:38 in return for the extension.
02:40 However, Nawaz Sharif is calling him a national criminal.
02:43 We have retraced our steps a little.
02:46 We said that do we check the series of events?
02:49 Do we really believe in Rana Sanaw Allah's statement?
02:52 We have taken some statements.
02:54 On 27th March 2021, Mariam Nawaz Sharif Sahiba says that Asif Zardari has said in a PDM
02:59 meeting that the selectors are telling him to dismiss Buzdar and bring in Adam Ittamaad.
03:06 So, this matter of Adam Ittamaad started from 27th March 2021, which Mariam Bibi has
03:11 put in front of the media.
03:13 Asif Zardari Sahab has offered in the PDM that if the Muslim League wants Noon, then
03:20 we should bring in the change in Punjab because the selectors also want it.
03:25 If the Muslim League agrees to Noon and the PDM agrees, then we should bring in the change
03:30 in Punjab.
03:31 Vote of no confidence.
03:33 Fast forward 20th December 2021, Asif Ali Zardari Sahab says that he is telling us to
03:40 help him.
03:41 We told him to start from the beginning and then we will talk.
03:45 So, till December 2021, this matter of starting and the whole conversation has been brought
03:50 to the public.
03:51 Zardari Sahab himself has brought it.
03:53 He says that you come and help.
03:56 We make a way, make a formula.
03:59 I said, there is no formula.
04:02 Now the question is straight.
04:05 Take a leave from it, then talk to us, then we will do it, we will handle it.
04:14 Now, according to the latest statement of Nawaz Sharif, he is a national criminal.
04:19 General Bajwa Sahab, it is obvious that if he has been removed from the government, then
04:23 his legitimate concerns are absolute.
04:25 But if you look at Rana Sinhaullah's statement, then were they the ones who brought him back
04:29 to power?
04:30 If you look at it from that perspective, then they are playing the role of a good general.
04:35 So, this is a very good and bad relationship of PMLN with General Bajwa Sahab.
04:40 When the tie-in was made in 2016, it is obvious that Nawaz Sharif Sahab chose him at that
04:45 time, appointed him as the army chief.
04:47 After a while, we saw that when Nawaz Sharif Sahab became incapable, relations with him
04:51 started to deteriorate very quickly.
04:53 The Supreme Court's unanimous decision was passed.
04:55 It still claims that this decision was managed, he was removed from power.
05:00 After that, we saw that it is obvious that you are disgruntled, you were removed.
05:04 So, for the first time, Nawaz Sharif Sahab called out in the Gujranwala Jalsa, taking
05:09 his name.
05:10 And that speech was also very famous.
05:12 The Gujranwala Jalsa is still mentioned again and again.
05:15 And for the first time, he started making these opposing statements.
05:18 Listen to this.
05:19 "General Kamal Haq Javed Bajwa Sahab, this is your responsibility.
05:27 You are the cause of the problems of this troubled nation.
05:33 But Javed Bajwa Sahab, you got our good and prosperous government to leave and to
05:40 give the country and the nation the abundance of their desires."
05:44 This statement is given on 2 May 2018.
05:47 After that, Nawaz Sharif Sahab comes back, he is arrested.
05:50 After that, after a while, Nawaz Sharif Sahab goes out of the country.
05:54 Khwaja Asif on record says that the help and facilitation that he has done to get Nawaz
05:59 Sharif Sahab out of the country, the establishment did it at that time.
06:02 Listen.
06:03 "When I and Nawaz Sharif Sahab..."
06:05 "Nawaz Sharif Sahab was sent out, the conviction was given."
06:07 "No, no, which convict was sent out first?"
06:09 "He did not send, the establishment sent him."
06:11 "Come on, through court order."
06:13 "I mean, the court order was also made by the establishment."
06:16 Khwaja Asif Sahab also admitted on television that when it was the matter of extension,
06:22 there was a blank check and Nawaz Sharif Sahab had specially emphasized that the vote
06:27 has to be given in favor of this extension.
06:29 "We had given a kind of blank check on the extension."
06:33 "Leadership, what can be said, the assembly, which was decided in London, 12-13 people
06:40 were also sent from here, there Nawaz Sharif Sahab was also there, Mr. Shiva Sharif was
06:47 also there, Paki Qaidin was also there, Mr. Saad Darsa was also there.
06:50 So, this decision was made there and Mr. Sharif Sahab's strict instruction was that the vote
06:54 must be given.
06:55 After that, a question is asked to Maryam Nawaz Sahiba in a press conference, in the context
07:00 of the allegations made against the current army chief by General Bajwa.
07:04 So, that is a very famous sentence of hers, which is quoted again and again later.
07:08 She had said, "Next question please."
07:11 "In Gujranwala, Nawaz Sharif put allegations on the sitting army chief that he has stolen
07:18 the elections.
07:19 Do you have evidence and was this allegation true?
07:22 Is it still true?
07:23 Your father says that General Bajwa has stolen it and also mentioned his name."
07:29 "Next question."
07:30 So, the relations were the victim of Madhu Jazar, Nasebo Faraz kept coming in it.
07:39 This too, Chashme Falak has seen.
07:41 We show you on television screens that PMLN's leadership, not top tier leadership, but
07:47 their MPAs, their social media team, they ran hashtags in which #WeStandWithGeneralBajwa
07:54 is obvious.
07:55 This is the matter of April 26, 2022.
07:57 This must have been authorized by the party.
08:00 Hina Parvez Bhatt Sahiba is tweeting, she is doing it of her own free will and she is
08:04 considered very close to Mariam Nawaz Sahiba.
08:06 After this, we saw that people kept trying to trap Shabaz Sharif.
08:10 What is this issue?
08:11 What is the matter?
08:12 Your relationship with the old establishment?
08:14 He is a wise man.
08:15 He said, "I will not get involved in this matter."
08:17 "Opposition has been elected for 13 years.
08:20 So, there is a lot of trust in you.
08:27 But will there be any action against the electors?
08:32 Or is there no such thing that they have apologized to you or forgiven you?
08:35 This is not a question.
08:37 I will not get involved in your people's affairs.
08:40 Shabaz sir has always been vigilant and one aspect of his politics is that he has never
08:46 left the path of caution.
08:48 In addition, he has been tweeting at various times.
08:51 There have been various tweets in the praise of Bajwa sir from PM LN's own social media
08:57 account, in which Shabaz Sharif's tweet has been quoted.
09:01 We are seeing that his services have been appreciated in the farewell meeting.
09:05 Then, especially, the name of Pakistan in the gray list of effective, Corona epidemic,
09:11 all this was being tweeted with the official hashtags of PM LN with their own accounts.
09:17 So, this was the way of doing it.
09:20 At that time, Shabaz sir was saying one more thing.
09:22 Nawaz sir's statement has now become again against the old establishment.
09:26 Marim Nawaz Sahiba kept saying till the last day that our government was the eighth,
09:31 but our government was not.
09:33 We are told that this government is of 8 months.
09:36 This government started after 28 November.
09:39 Our government started after 28 November.
09:42 Before that, the leaders of Laglia were present.
09:44 On 9 August, which was the last address of the cabinet as the Prime Minister,
09:50 Shabaz Sharif thanked General Bajwa in that too.
09:54 The help that came from outside, from friends, from the country, from the brother country,
10:00 we distributed it to the extent that we could.
10:03 In this regard, I thank you all.
10:06 And I thank General Bajwa, who was the head of the department at the time.
10:11 Till 9 August 2023, Shabaz sir was saying this.
10:15 Now, this new conversation has started.
10:17 Is this the preparation of the statement of the collection?
10:19 Zubair sir, the former Governor of Sindh is present with us.
10:21 Thank you very much for joining us, Zubair sir.
10:23 I have told you different statements because you tell us that Shabaz sir,
10:27 who was thanking till two months ago, or Nawaz sir, who is now calling him a national criminal,
10:32 where is the clarity in this?
10:34 Because both are very extreme.
10:39 You had to call me today itself on such a difficult subject.
10:44 But I will try to answer as good as possible. I will try as best.
10:48 See, this is not a film.
10:51 The Pakistani films that used to be there, there was a hero in them,
10:54 who never did anything wrong all his life, and did all the good work.
10:57 And the villain could never do any good work.
11:00 There are no such characters in real life.
11:02 So, at any appointment, at any position, the people who are there,
11:07 they do some good work and some bad work.
11:10 It is not necessary to do bad work or it is not necessary to do good work,
11:13 but the record is always mixed, generally mixed.
11:17 And the recent history of Pakistan's politics, of the last 5-6-7 years,
11:21 it is the same.
11:23 If we have had concerns from the establishment,
11:27 from General Bajwa, from General Faiz Ameed, especially with regard to General Bajwa,
11:32 then we should have given him credit where he deserved it.
11:37 Like you said that Prime Minister Shibaz Sharif gave him credit.
11:40 So, he deserved credit there.
11:42 But that was not an overall statement that his 6 years of General Bajwa,
11:47 he did not say that it was a stellar performance.
11:50 Whether it is in regard to the blacklist, or FATF, or to get it improved,
11:55 or if he has played a good role on many other issues,
11:59 then I think whether you are a political opponent or whatever,
12:03 you should appreciate it.
12:05 Pakistan's politics is so polarized that you take a one-sided view of anyone.
12:10 So, where we have concerns and serious concerns,
12:14 because when Nawaz Sharif talks, he talks about that period,
12:18 which was from 2017 to the elections and after the elections,
12:24 the one-page system of supporting Imran Khan, we talk about that.
12:31 And we are still standing.
12:33 Imran Khan was selected by the selectors,
12:36 and of course, General Bajwa did this project,
12:40 but he was not the initiator of this project.
12:43 Of course, for many years, General Shuja Pasha, Kiani and all the people were involved.
12:48 So, he was the enabler, if you can call him an enabler.
12:50 He was the hero of Islam.
12:51 Yes, you can call him an enabler, but what Rana Sanawullah specifically said,
12:57 that instead of voting for the extension, Imran Khan's government should be run.
13:02 Is he right? Is this the right understanding?
13:06 Will you endorse this statement?
13:08 I think the statement you made about Khwaja Asif, that was more relevant,
13:14 in which he acknowledged, I think you heard it,
13:18 that he said that the blank cheque was given by Nawaz Sharif,
13:23 which we endorsed and voted for.
13:26 So, I think we should acknowledge this,
13:29 whatever was his background, but we try to deny this many times,
13:34 that we were supporting the constitutional amendment.
13:39 No, we were supporting the extension of General Qamar Javed Bajwa, it was very clear.
13:44 So, in return, there are no free lunches in the blank cheque,
13:48 so, if you want to make your political opponent run, that's a pretty good deal.
13:53 So, after that, did we see that the matter went that way?
13:56 I am not endorsing Rana Sanawullah's statement,
14:00 I am talking about his statement, Khwaja Asif's statement.
14:03 I think yesterday, Rana Sanawullah tried to explain it in a show,
14:10 but I think he is the best person to explain it.
14:13 What is a blank cheque in politics, Mr. Zubair?
14:16 How do you interpret it?
14:19 We don't interpret it like you are doing.
14:23 A blank cheque means that, as Khwaja Asif said,
14:26 we knew that we would support this bill,
14:30 so, in return, General Qamar Bajwa will get a 3-year extension.
14:35 If we didn't do it, it wouldn't have happened.
14:37 So, what will you get?
14:39 This is absolutely right to this extent.
14:41 What will we get?
14:43 PM LN didn't get anything.
14:46 This is about November 2019.
14:49 So, you tell PM LN, after November 2019,
14:53 2020 has passed,
14:55 and in 2021, 9-10 months have passed.
14:58 What did we get? We didn't get anything.
14:59 The policies were running in the same way.
15:01 General Bajwa was supporting Imran Khan's government in the same way,
15:05 despite the fact that Imran Khan's government had very severe weaknesses
15:09 in respect to the environment, respect to foreign policy, and other issues.
15:13 But, General Bajwa was standing alongside Imran Khan.
15:17 So, sir, this interpretation,
15:19 your interpretation will be different from Tehreek-e-Insaaf's.
15:22 For example, your interpretation,
15:24 correct me if I'm wrong,
15:25 that you supported your government,
15:27 and it was wrong,
15:28 okay, we agree,
15:29 but, if Imran Khan's government is supported,
15:31 and the PDM-Ittihad comes again,
15:33 because all these claims are made by the political forces,
15:36 so, it was right.
15:38 No, I'll tell you that.
15:40 I'll tell you that, and clarify it.
15:42 If we acknowledge something,
15:44 then what do we acknowledge?
15:46 Please try to understand this thing.
15:48 Our stance from the first day was that
15:50 the government is standing on the support of the establishment.
15:54 And Imran Khan himself,
15:56 after being separated from the government,
15:58 acknowledged one thing,
16:00 in an interview,
16:01 that when we wanted votes in the parliament,
16:03 we used to take the support of the agencies.
16:05 Our stance was that
16:08 the PDM-Ittihad is a political opponent,
16:11 let us compete with them in the political field,
16:14 you move back, the establishment,
16:16 you remove the ladder you have put,
16:19 and after that, let's see what happens.
16:22 After that, how much strength do we have,
16:25 how many dents can we put from their coalition partners,
16:28 this is our right in the parliamentary system,
16:31 and what happened in the end,
16:33 the NKM and BAP party,
16:35 they voted for Imran Khan in 2018,
16:38 in 2022, they moved towards us,
16:41 and voted for him.
16:43 Sir, when you give an example of NKM and BAP party,
16:46 you are not making your case so strong.
16:48 You can mention other parties,
16:50 but when you give a vote to the party,
16:52 sir, the impression...
16:53 No, no, this is the reality,
16:55 how can I deny it?
16:57 This is a reality, a historic reality,
16:59 that in 2018, BAP party and NKM supported
17:02 Imran Khan in 2022.
17:04 Sir, because the wind was there,
17:06 when the wind was towards you,
17:08 they voted for you, I am saying this.
17:10 No, no, no, the wind was not that way.
17:12 In 2018, the wind was clearly towards PTI,
17:15 and in that, it is obvious,
17:17 it is possible, or rather,
17:19 as you are saying,
17:21 the establishment may have told them,
17:24 but in 2022, the wind changed because,
17:27 it did not change because NKM and BAP party
17:30 had a strong rethinking,
17:32 they had seen Imran Khan,
17:34 they had seen Imran Khan's performance,
17:37 they had their own political compulsions,
17:40 that if they continue with Imran Khan,
17:43 then they will be elected in the next election.
17:46 So, this was their own political compulsion,
17:48 under which, and then,
17:49 there was no pressure on them,
17:50 and they came to us.
17:51 In this, I think, we read too much into it.
17:54 Okay, in regards to Nawaz Sharif's return,
17:56 what is the plan?
17:57 Will you land at the airport like before,
17:59 and then, there will be rallies,
18:01 and then, you will go to Minar-e-Pakistan,
18:03 or the new statement you must have heard,
18:05 by Javed Latif,
18:06 now, it will be just a Jalsa,
18:08 at Minar-e-Pakistan.
18:09 So, has your strategy been finalized,
18:11 in this regard?
18:13 Shahid Kaka Anabasi,
18:17 said in an interview,
18:19 that Javed Latif knows everything.
18:21 So, as per me,
18:23 the plan has not been finalized yet.
18:25 Okay.
18:26 As far as Sindh is concerned,
18:29 I have been given the responsibility,
18:32 that we have to make a lot of arrangements,
18:34 to welcome them.
18:36 Okay.
18:37 Whether it will be in Minar-e-Pakistan,
18:39 in regards to Jalsa,
18:40 or in regards to the rally,
18:41 so, when it will be finalized,
18:43 I think, everyone will know.
18:44 So, it has not been finalized yet,
18:45 that there will be a Jalsa.
18:46 Is this his opinion,
18:47 of Javed Latif,
18:48 because he was sitting in London,
18:50 so, I understood.
18:51 That is why I can say,
18:52 it is his opinion,
18:53 it is possible that someone
18:54 has shared it in confidence,
18:56 but at least,
18:57 this matter has not reached us.
18:58 So, Mr. Shabaz is saying,
19:00 that he did not take anyone's message,
19:02 so, why did he have to go back,
19:03 in just 16 hours,
19:05 that he has back pain,
19:07 he takes such a long flight,
19:08 to England,
19:09 and comes back.
19:10 Now, in London,
19:12 is there any strategy,
19:13 that is being finalized,
19:15 you know about Mrs. Maria,
19:16 that it is her daughter's university event,
19:18 so, it makes sense.
19:19 But, Mr. Shabaz,
19:20 going back in 16 hours,
19:22 is this the reason,
19:23 why there is a question,
19:24 that if there is no message,
19:25 is there any special meeting,
19:26 is there any special meeting?
19:29 This question raises,
19:31 no, this question raises,
19:33 it is absolutely right,
19:34 that in 16 hours,
19:35 everyone will question,
19:36 that he came back,
19:37 and then, suddenly,
19:38 why did he go to London?
19:39 This question raises,
19:41 and it is obvious,
19:43 everyone will ponder,
19:45 that what is this thing,
19:47 and this is how we come to know,
19:49 that how important this thing was,
19:51 which cannot be shared,
19:53 that is why Mr. Shabaz went back,
19:55 and I think,
19:56 apart from Mr. Shabaz,
19:58 Mr. Nawaz Shaikh,
19:59 and Mrs. Maria Nawaz,
20:01 most people may not know,
20:03 what exactly was it.
20:04 Has there been any meeting in Gujranwala,
20:06 after which Mr. Shabaz went back?
20:07 Mr. Nusrat Javed has claimed this,
20:09 please confirm or deny this.
20:11 Ok, this is a very strange thing,
20:14 why will he go to Gujranwala,
20:15 if there is a meeting,
20:17 a secretive meeting,
20:18 can't it be in Lahore?
20:20 If he goes to Gujranwala,
20:22 like Mr. Nusrat Javed said,
20:24 that he went to eat,
20:26 that will be a very exposed exposure,
20:30 meeting in Lahore,
20:32 or meeting in Islamabad,
20:34 I don't think it is that difficult.
20:36 So, he denied,
20:38 and this is the reality,
20:39 that he never went to Gujranwala,
20:41 and why will he go to Gujranwala?
20:42 Some will come from Pindi,
20:44 and from Lahore,
20:45 will go to Gujranwala,
20:46 and bump into each other.
20:47 Sir, there are neutral places also,
20:49 between Lahore and Pindi,
20:51 there is a neutral place,
20:53 Gujranwala,
20:54 that's why.
20:55 No, see, Mr. Shehbaz has explained,
20:59 and common sense also says the same,
21:01 why will he be exposed,
21:03 why will he be an element,
21:05 where there is a chance,
21:07 that the whole world will know,
21:08 and after that,
21:09 he will go to Lahore,
21:10 and leave for London,
21:12 this is not possible.
21:13 So, Mr. Subesh, the problem is,
21:14 that in 2016 also,
21:15 Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
21:16 at that time,
21:17 wanted to try Mr. Musharraf,
21:18 but he did not succeed,
21:19 and it is a pity,
21:20 that in this country,
21:21 some powerful people,
21:22 cannot reach to the logical conclusion,
21:24 in that way.
21:25 Now, Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
21:26 is saying more or less the same thing,
21:28 that it cannot be moved forward,
21:30 until there is some,
21:31 some positive outcome.
21:32 So, after 2016,
21:33 in 2023,
21:34 this is a negative effect,
21:35 and you are moving forward,
21:36 after understanding this?
21:37 See, there are two aspects,
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24:42 [Indian President]
25:08 So in the context of these meetings,
25:10 it is important to remember that
25:12 in December 2020 and January 2021,
25:14 it was called a track to diplomacy,
25:17 it was called a track to diplomacy,
25:19 and it was also being led by Mr. Durrani,
25:22 and if I show you some news from that time,
25:24 then Mr. Shabaz Sharif was going to meet Mr. Muhammad Ali Durrani in jail,
25:27 and the message of Pir Pagara was conveyed,
25:30 and even then the same thing was happening,
25:31 that there is a need for a national dialogue,
25:35 at that time, Pir Pagara had sent him this message,
25:39 apart from this, he had also met Moulana Fazlur Rahman,
25:41 that is, all the opposition leaders were talking to him at that time,
25:45 and then Moulana said that he cannot negotiate with the fake government,
25:50 so these were all the matters,
25:52 in 2020, Mr. Durrani also came to our show,
25:55 and what did he tell in this regard,
25:58 that what is happening in the track to negotiation that he is doing at that time?
26:02 We want that as a result of the joke, there should be some settlement.
26:05 The track to dialogue that we have given,
26:08 the track to diplomacy that we have given,
26:13 the pressure of that is now reaching the leadership from the entire society.
26:20 There is no under the table,
26:22 it is happening over the table,
26:24 it is happening in the straight public.
26:25 Mr. Muhammad Ali Durrani is with us right now,
26:28 thank you very much Mr. Durrani,
26:29 you were in Uttarakhand two years ago,
26:31 at that time, did these attempts not bring any positive change for you?
26:35 This time also you have come to Uttarakhand,
26:37 at that time you were saying that Pir Bhagaran was behind all these attempts,
26:41 who is behind now?
26:43 Because obviously, somewhere or the other,
26:45 a legitimacy is also required for this whole process,
26:48 somewhere or the other,
26:49 there should be such an institution or such a center,
26:54 where at least there should be a position to make some conspiracy.
26:57 So, is there any person or institution or personality in Pakistan at this time,
27:01 who can make a conspiracy?
27:03 In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
27:07 Mashallah, you have kept a mirror of the past in front of me,
27:11 thank you very much.
27:12 See, when I said this in the past,
27:15 the three points that I had kept at that time,
27:18 one of the fundamental points was that,
27:20 everyone should stay in the parliament,
27:23 and while staying in the parliament,
27:25 they should solve the problems through dialogue,
27:29 at that time also, we were talking about resigning.
27:31 And the second thing I had said was that,
27:33 to reduce the clashes,
27:35 you should,
27:37 if you are bowling,
27:39 then don't hit the umpire,
27:41 but give it to the player,
27:42 so that if the player is out,
27:43 then the umpire will be injured,
27:45 still the player will not be out,
27:46 this is what I had said.
27:47 And the third thing I had said about dialogue,
27:50 that the negotiations should be done on a national level,
27:53 and all things should be done inside the parliament,
27:56 and even now,
27:57 and the result of that was that,
27:59 the opposition stopped at that time,
28:01 when the opposition stopped giving the resignation,
28:04 then whatever they got,
28:06 they got it through a process,
28:08 there can be objections on that,
28:09 or not,
28:10 but that process is still going on,
28:11 Shahbaz Sahib came,
28:12 his government came,
28:13 the situation at the moment is that,
28:16 we are stuck in multiple crises,
28:19 on one hand,
28:20 the people are getting into the cycle of inflation,
28:24 and their condition is that,
28:26 when we go out,
28:28 we also get tears in our eyes,
28:30 on the other hand,
28:32 there is such a severe political polarization,
28:35 as a result of which,
28:37 people are feeling hopeless,
28:39 and a degree of hopelessness is being created,
28:42 and there is a party,
28:44 about which the attempt is that,
28:46 it should be taken in a situation of clash,
28:49 in this situation,
28:51 I am a little sad person,
28:52 I don't have much interest,
28:53 to roam around outside,
28:55 or to go and come,
28:57 but the pressure of my surroundings,
29:00 and especially,
29:01 our few friends,
29:03 who are in different parties at the moment,
29:05 this crisis was created by them,
29:07 then the people of PTI,
29:09 who have their leadership,
29:11 I have a personal meeting with them,
29:14 I had a conversation with them,
29:16 I had the same question with them,
29:18 that why do you people want clash,
29:20 clash does not suit you,
29:22 elections suit you,
29:24 so at that time,
29:25 I came across this situation,
29:27 when I met with Sadar,
29:29 that from Sadar,
29:30 to a worker of his party,
29:32 he wants that,
29:34 instead of clash,
29:36 through some discussion,
29:38 through a discussion,
29:39 through due process of law,
29:41 we are playing a role for ourselves,
29:45 but Mr. Durrani,
29:46 this is a different situation,
29:48 because it is 9th May,
29:50 Tehreek-e-Insaf is going through,
29:51 a lot of political and administrative pressure,
29:54 at this time,
29:55 it suits them,
29:56 that they should talk about this,
29:57 they should talk about rule of law,
29:59 before 9th May,
30:00 they were neither in this mood,
30:01 nor in this position,
30:02 now the position is definitely of Noon League,
30:05 you are seeing Mr. Nawaz Sharif's statements,
30:07 the way he is giving statements from London,
30:10 so why will he sit and talk,
30:12 PTI will sit and talk,
30:13 obviously it suits them,
30:15 why will other parties sit and talk,
30:17 at this time?
30:18 Very beautiful,
30:20 see, the thing is,
30:22 this is the beauty of democracy and politics,
30:26 that in this,
30:27 the situation guides your behaviour,
30:32 states,
30:33 the situation guides your behaviour,
30:35 your own mistakes,
30:37 become the reason for your reformation,
30:39 now as far as 9/11 is concerned,
30:43 the 9th incident,
30:47 as a result of 9th May,
30:50 the due process of the court,
30:53 everyone will face that,
30:55 and should face that,
30:56 the way to take law in hand,
30:59 and the punishment for that,
31:01 is not political,
31:02 it is a legal punishment,
31:05 when any political force or any person,
31:09 if he takes law in his hand,
31:11 then the law will punish him,
31:13 I cannot,
31:14 the Prime Minister cannot,
31:16 the law will punish him,
31:18 and he will have to take it,
31:20 so this is one thing,
31:21 PML and N are not in this position,
31:23 that they will punish PTI for 9th May incident,
31:26 neither any other party,
31:28 nor the Vipass party,
31:29 this is not their role,
31:31 they can do this,
31:33 that the democratic process in the country,
31:35 and no other party can do this,
31:37 that if I want to fight the elections,
31:39 then this party will be outside,
31:41 and I will fight the elections,
31:43 how come,
31:44 this is politics,
31:45 this is democracy,
31:46 in democracy,
31:47 no one has the right to bring anyone,
31:50 when I,
31:51 last time,
31:52 you remember the track 2 incident,
31:54 you can see the record,
31:56 I spoke to Mr. Khan,
31:58 that you cannot call a criminal a thief,
32:01 until the court declares him a thief,
32:03 in the same way,
32:04 you cannot declare any accused,
32:07 against whom the evidence is still in process,
32:10 a thief,
32:11 you cannot declare him a criminal,
32:14 that is why you have to go through a process,
32:17 I am also for Mr. Mian,
32:19 that if he,
32:21 about anything,
32:22 and I don't like this,
32:24 I am a political worker,
32:26 and my politics,
32:28 or my democracy,
32:30 is for Pakistan,
32:31 and I don't want anything from anyone,
32:34 that is why I speak without fear,
32:36 I will tell all the parties,
32:38 that you,
32:39 I mean,
32:40 by taking someone's back,
32:42 or by playing with someone's situation,
32:45 by putting someone's back,
32:47 don't try to take your success out of it,
32:51 the people are the ones who give political victory,
32:54 the people should give their right,
32:56 and the people should vote for them,
32:58 the people should be given respect,
33:01 you went to meet Mr. Shabazz,
33:04 you spoke to Mr. Moulana,
33:06 Mr. Moulana was not in a mood to speak,
33:08 now, Mr. Tariqin,
33:10 as you said,
33:11 he wants to find a way out,
33:13 he wants to talk,
33:14 Mr. Sadar is also very willing,
33:16 but the issue is,
33:17 have you spoken to other political parties,
33:19 PMLN,
33:20 JUI,
33:21 People's Party,
33:22 if you have spoken to them,
33:23 then who have you spoken to,
33:24 if you have spoken to them,
33:25 then what is the problem,
33:26 what is the mood of the other stakeholders?
33:29 See, my way of thinking,
33:31 you must have heard last time,
33:33 the meeting I had with Mr. Moulana,
33:36 we did not tell it ourselves,
33:38 the media got to know,
33:40 and it got exposed,
33:42 my wish is that I do my work quietly,
33:45 and instead of a conference,
33:47 or media exposure,
33:49 the way I am talking to you,
33:51 this is a work of education,
33:54 you do the work of educating,
33:57 in which we also put our part,
33:59 your questions open our minds,
34:03 so the thing is,
34:05 the situation that has become at this time,
34:07 if today PTI is ready to talk,
34:11 they have found a way for themselves,
34:13 from the incidents of the past,
34:15 there was a time when the case of the abduction of the ship,
34:18 was made on Mr. Mian,
34:20 that too was such a situation,
34:23 that the ship was being dropped in India,
34:26 at that time,
34:28 so he passed through that too,
34:30 and after passing through,
34:32 he became a Pakistani,
34:34 became the Prime Minister of Pakistan,
34:36 no case of treason was filed against him,
34:38 but he remained a Pakistani,
34:40 and in today's situation,
34:42 as a result of a clash,
34:44 the people present in Pakistan,
34:47 and the opinion of the people,
34:50 should not be suppressed in the neck of an incident,
34:55 but it should move forward through a political process,
34:59 and the biggest thing is,
35:01 and because of this I get many allegations,
35:05 that you have a soft corner for institutions,
35:08 I think that what I have said,
35:10 the three points that I have given,
35:12 that Pakistan, the Republic and the army,
35:16 should be removed from the list of political institutions,
35:21 and should not be taken into the circle of political institutions,
35:25 and should not be used to make the name of Pakistan a traitor,
35:30 and should not make the Republic a means of revenge,
35:33 I am repeating this for the sake of the people.
35:35 Right, this is your point, I am repeating it again,
35:37 and the third thing,
35:39 I am repeating it again,
35:41 as far as the army is concerned,
35:43 the army should not be used to come into power,
35:46 or to take the shoulder of power,
35:49 the army is a defense machine of the country,
35:51 it is under a lot of pressure right now,
35:54 they need cooperation,
35:56 they should be used.
35:57 Sir, so PMLN, People's Party, JUIF,
35:59 have you had any contact with them in this era?
36:02 I am in contact,
36:06 and I am trying to have more contacts,
36:10 I am talking to everyone,
36:12 and in that regard,
36:14 see my job is to block,
36:16 I talk to people, I don't make news,
36:19 I only make an environment,
36:24 I don't make news.
36:26 So in that environment,
36:28 I know where my words reach,
36:31 I get a response from there,
36:33 and I feel that when someone's hand,
36:36 a political force's hand is up,
36:39 then it tries to stay up,
36:42 but as a political worker,
36:46 I request all leaders,
36:48 as Mr. Zardari says,
36:50 we talk on our feet,
36:52 I also want to request all leaders,
36:54 to look at the state of the people of the country,
37:00 look at the rate of inflation in the country,
37:03 look at the state of the country's economy,
37:06 at this time, for Pakistan,
37:09 for the people of Pakistan,
37:11 the biggest challenge is two meals a day,
37:13 at this time, the biggest challenge is children's fees.
37:16 And the election that is going to happen,
37:19 it will be one and the same,
37:21 who can give relief to the people.
37:22 Just one last question,
37:23 Mr. Qurana Sonaullah said two days ago,
37:25 that the extension that was given to Mr. Bajwa,
37:28 was given so that Imran Khan,
37:30 he used the word more strictly,
37:33 but in so many words,
37:34 he says that Imran Khan's government can be finished.
37:37 At that time, you were in the center of affairs,
37:39 that is, you were in the government,
37:40 you were in contact,
37:41 there was a conversation,
37:42 was this impression for other political parties,
37:45 or is this a noon impression,
37:46 that if we vote for the extension,
37:48 then Imran Khan's government,
37:49 has an understanding of going back?
37:52 Look, I am with our Noon leaders,
37:57 we are friends, we have been together,
38:00 I think they should not be leaders of the past,
38:03 they should not look for the criminals of the past,
38:06 they should not look for the revenge of the past,
38:10 they should not bring back the revenge of the past,
38:13 at this time, if they want to get acceptance in the public,
38:18 then they will come to the field
38:21 with a sword on one shoulder and a whip on the other shoulder,
38:27 so there is no market for this thing in the public,
38:30 the accusers of the past will make the leaders of the past,
38:35 if you want to be the leader of the future,
38:38 then you have to address the issues of the future.
38:41 But Duraian sir, there is also a little record correction,
38:43 there is also a record correction,
38:44 is it correct to think that at that time,
38:47 the government of Khan sir was finished in exchange for the extension?
38:51 Look, if the extension,
38:55 now who can correct the record?
39:00 Can a leader correct the record?
39:03 Can anyone state the correctness of the record?
39:06 If you want to correct the record, then go to the courts,
39:09 if you want to correct the record,
39:11 then go to those institutions who have the right to decide
39:15 whether something is right or wrong.
39:18 We will request the public and I will also request you,
39:21 I will also request the media,
39:23 that the way we talk about the correctness of the record,
39:29 we are not ready to be Nelson Mandela,
39:32 that we can forgive people after winning the election.
39:35 We do not want to repeat the victory of Mecca in Madinah,
39:39 that after winning, all the enemies of the past were made friends.
39:44 We talk about revenge after the election,
39:47 we try to raise the emotions in the election.
39:51 We want to raise the blood pressure of the people by increasing the tension of revenge.
40:01 And at this time the stomach is empty.
40:03 We talk about eating other people's stomachs.
40:08 We do not talk about tying stones to our stomachs.
40:11 Absolutely right.
40:12 At this time, the mood of the people is very different.
40:15 Thank you very much for this agenda.
40:17 We will be back after the break.
40:44 Welcome back.
40:49 There is a new Supreme Court, a new Chief Justice, a new direction.
40:52 First of all, we saw the proceedings regarding the practice and procedure bill.
40:56 After that, the review of the decision of the Faizabad protest case has also been put in front of the court.
41:05 First of all, where did this matter start?
41:08 Just a few days before the arrival of the new Chief Justice, Faisal Wawda said in an interview
41:15 that very soon Nazif Faiz Isa will hear the Faizabad protest case again.
41:20 We will see the review again and see it being implemented.
41:24 What did Faisal Wawda say?
41:26 The implementation of Faizabad, which Faiz Isa will do,
41:31 which is his victory question,
41:33 and the report of Faizabad, that is very clear.
41:36 Yes, we can watch.
41:39 Faisal Wawda said this on September 18.
41:42 On September 17, another senior journalist, Kamran Shahid, tweeted.
41:46 He tweeted that his prediction is that Justice Qazi Faiz Isa will take up the Faizabad protest case again as the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
41:57 He will implement this case.
41:59 Obviously, when the implementation of this case will be done,
42:03 it will have very severe consequences for two personalities.
42:07 We were already seeing this in the case.
42:11 After that, the Faizabad protest case has been brought to the public again.
42:17 On this occasion, why not repeat what was the case, what was its judgment,
42:21 what observations were given in it, and what matters were highlighted.
42:25 So what was the important guidance in the decision of the Faizabad protest case?
42:28 It was something like this.
42:30 In this decision, it was said that every citizen has the right to protest,
42:34 but it should be done in accordance with the law and should also be considered for public interest.
42:40 Those who openly block public places and roads and harm property,
42:45 action should be taken against them according to the law.
42:48 If no political party is following the laws made for political parties,
42:53 then the Election Commission should act according to the law.
42:57 All political parties will have to keep their source of funds in account according to the law.
43:02 The state always works independently.
43:05 And institutions will have to work independently.
43:09 And the people present in the government should not be under the influence.
43:12 If a person gives such a fatwa, which puts the life of someone else at risk,
43:18 then such a fatwa should be acted against him under the Pakistan Penal Code and the Incidental Terrorism Act 1997.
43:25 The media institutions that spread messages about harming people should be acted against them under the Pembra Ordinance.
43:33 And their licenses should also be acted against under the Pembra Ordinance.
43:37 The cable operators that have blocked the licenses of licensed media institutions should also be acted against under the Pembra Ordinance.
43:45 All secret institutions and departments of the public should work within their limits.
43:50 And they should not be restricted to freedom of expression.
43:53 Because they do not have the right to put a law-breaking law in the media.
43:58 The Pakistan Penal Code prohibits the members of the Pakistan Army from becoming political leaders.
44:03 In which it is also necessary to help the political party or group.
44:07 The government of Pakistan is instructed to start an action against those members who have not followed their oath.
44:15 Law-enforcing institutions and the police are instructed to implement such protocols and procedures
44:21 which will help them deal better with rallies and protests.
44:26 The government of Pakistan is also instructed to monitor those who spread hatred and discrimination.
44:33 And to act according to the law.
44:38 We will hear about the Faizabad protest case again.
44:42 We will see if this case will be in a closed room or if it will be allowed to be shown through the camera.
44:51 If it is allowed, it will be an interesting opportunity in the history of Pakistan.
44:55 When the program ends, don't forget to give your feedback. Take care. Goodbye.