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In this episode of Presbyter Chat, host Darren Kelama answers a listener’s question about the correct version of the Lord’s Prayer. We explore the prayer’s origins, comparing its earliest form from the 144 A.D. Christian Bible to later versions in Matthew, Luke, and the Catholic tradition. We'll do a deep-dive on translation changes, including Pope Francis’s 2019 edit, and examines the theological impact of these alterations. The episode also delves into the historical split between Marcionites and Judaizers, highlighting ongoing debates about biblical authenticity and the evolving understanding of God within Christianity.
Translation Issues and Judaic Bibles (00:00:12)
Discussion of translation errors, Judaic Bibles, and the significance of the Old Testament’s inclusion.
Recent Edits by Pope Francis (00:01:15)
Mentions the 2019 change to the Lord’s Prayer by Pope Francis and its lack of public awareness.
Importance and Power of the Lord’s Prayer (00:01:15)
Explains why the Lord’s Prayer is foundational and why it has been frequently altered.
Original Language and Context (00:02:36)
Emphasizes that Jesus spoke Greek, not Hebrew or Aramaic, and the prayer’s original context.
The Original Lord’s Prayer (00:03:57)
Reads the Lord’s Prayer from the first Christian Bible of 144 A.D., both in English and Greek.
Comparison with Later Versions (00:05:49)
Compares the original prayer to the edited versions in Matthew, Luke, and the Catholic tradition.
Anonymous Gospel Authors and Inspiration (00:06:59)
Questions the divine inspiration of anonymously authored gospels and the logic of multiple versions.
Matthew, Luke, and Catholic Versions Read (00:08:13)
Reads the Lord’s Prayer from Matthew, Luke, and the Catholic version, noting differences.
Pope Francis’s 2019 Change Explained (00:09:24)
Details Pope Francis’s reasoning for changing “lead us not into temptation” and its implications.
Yahweh vs. Our Father—Historical Schism (00:10:31)
Explains the distinction between Yahweh and “our Father,” referencing the 144 A.D. church schism.
Old Testament’s Influence and Yahweh’s Nature (00:12:00)
Describes how the Old Testament was added to Christian Bibles and Yahweh’s character.
Pope Francis’s Reasoning vs. Old Testament (00:13:11)
Contrasts Pope Francis’s statements with Old Testament depictions of Yahweh.
Catholic Church’s Yahweh Problem (00:14:20)
Discusses the Catholic Church’s struggle to reconcile Yahweh’s image with Christian beliefs.
Attempts to Distance from Yahweh (00:15:36)
Explores recent efforts by Christian denominations to distance themselves from Yahweh.
2008 Ban on Yahweh in Liturgy (00:16:53)
Mentions the 2008 Catholic directive to remove “Yahweh” from all liturgical texts.
Importance of Context in Scripture (00:18:15)
Stresses the need for historical and textual context in understanding scripture.
Greek Meaning of “Temptation” (00:19:39)
Explains the Greek word for “temptation” and alternative translations.
Role of the Holy Spi
Translation Issues and Judaic Bibles (00:00:12)
Discussion of translation errors, Judaic Bibles, and the significance of the Old Testament’s inclusion.
Recent Edits by Pope Francis (00:01:15)
Mentions the 2019 change to the Lord’s Prayer by Pope Francis and its lack of public awareness.
Importance and Power of the Lord’s Prayer (00:01:15)
Explains why the Lord’s Prayer is foundational and why it has been frequently altered.
Original Language and Context (00:02:36)
Emphasizes that Jesus spoke Greek, not Hebrew or Aramaic, and the prayer’s original context.
The Original Lord’s Prayer (00:03:57)
Reads the Lord’s Prayer from the first Christian Bible of 144 A.D., both in English and Greek.
Comparison with Later Versions (00:05:49)
Compares the original prayer to the edited versions in Matthew, Luke, and the Catholic tradition.
Anonymous Gospel Authors and Inspiration (00:06:59)
Questions the divine inspiration of anonymously authored gospels and the logic of multiple versions.
Matthew, Luke, and Catholic Versions Read (00:08:13)
Reads the Lord’s Prayer from Matthew, Luke, and the Catholic version, noting differences.
Pope Francis’s 2019 Change Explained (00:09:24)
Details Pope Francis’s reasoning for changing “lead us not into temptation” and its implications.
Yahweh vs. Our Father—Historical Schism (00:10:31)
Explains the distinction between Yahweh and “our Father,” referencing the 144 A.D. church schism.
Old Testament’s Influence and Yahweh’s Nature (00:12:00)
Describes how the Old Testament was added to Christian Bibles and Yahweh’s character.
Pope Francis’s Reasoning vs. Old Testament (00:13:11)
Contrasts Pope Francis’s statements with Old Testament depictions of Yahweh.
Catholic Church’s Yahweh Problem (00:14:20)
Discusses the Catholic Church’s struggle to reconcile Yahweh’s image with Christian beliefs.
Attempts to Distance from Yahweh (00:15:36)
Explores recent efforts by Christian denominations to distance themselves from Yahweh.
2008 Ban on Yahweh in Liturgy (00:16:53)
Mentions the 2008 Catholic directive to remove “Yahweh” from all liturgical texts.
Importance of Context in Scripture (00:18:15)
Stresses the need for historical and textual context in understanding scripture.
Greek Meaning of “Temptation” (00:19:39)
Explains the Greek word for “temptation” and alternative translations.
Role of the Holy Spi
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00:00You're tuned in to Presbyter Chat, where your questions are answered through the prism of pre-Nicene Christianity and the first Christian Bible of 144 AD.
00:09Now your host, Presbyter Darren Kalama.
00:12Thanks for joining us.
00:14Today's question, like most of them at first glance, appears to have a direct path leading to a crisp and decisive conclusion.
00:22And also, like most of them, we find instead a tangled web of theological double-talk, linguistic acrobatics, and biblical scholars and apologists dancing on the head of a pin.
00:34But ultimately, and as always, we eventually do find the answer.
00:39Now this one is from Lois in Missouri.
00:43Hi Darren, which version of the Lord's Prayer is the correct one?
00:48Well first, let me frame this for what it is.
00:51This question goes to the heart of not only translation errors in Judaized Bibles, but also later editing and creative interpretation of those translations.
01:03And how do you know if you have a Judaized Bible?
01:06Well, it's simple.
01:07Is an alien religion called the Old Testament stapled to the front of it?
01:12Well then, yes, you have a Judaized Bible.
01:15And by the way, the last time the Lord's Prayer was changed and edited was by decree of Pope Francis in 2019, just six years ago.
01:26More on that later.
01:27And just like most things we're going to discuss here, it's news you probably never heard of.
01:34So where were we?
01:35Ah yes, the Lord's Prayer.
01:37Easily the most important and foundational prayer in Scripture that you're going to find in any Bible on the planet.
01:45Nothing else encapsulates Christianity in toto like this brief prayer.
01:51About 60 of the most important words ever strung together into a single prayer.
01:58And yet we find it is the most butchered, edited, mistranslated, and perverted Scripture in history.
02:06But why?
02:08Well, because it's the most powerful prayer that has ever existed.
02:12Now in it, Jesus, the Son of God, tells you precisely how to pray to our Father and tells you His name.
02:21Literally, how to communicate with God, by name, our Father.
02:26Not some alien deity called Yahweh.
02:30Now remember, Yahweh is a name that is found nowhere in the New Testament.
02:36Jesus didn't start waving a magic chicken over His head while screaming the name Yahweh in Hebrew with phlegmatic inflections.
02:46No, it was our Father.
02:49The name of our Christian God is Father.
02:52Now, I don't know about you, but I'd say that's pretty important information.
02:57And it's not something Jesus just blurts out randomly.
03:01And by the way, this discussion with His apostles was spoken in Greek.
03:06Specifically, Koine Greek.
03:08It was the language used by everybody in the Roman Empire at that time.
03:13The lingua franca of all.
03:15In fact, your entire New Testament and this prayer was originally written in Greek.
03:22Not Latin, not Hebrew, not Aramaic.
03:25Greek.
03:26Everybody spoke and wrote in Greek.
03:30Simply put, it's the language of God.
03:33Now, this is an important data point as we move forward and have a base of understanding for the prayer.
03:39And incidentally, you can thank Alexander the Great and his Hellenization campaign for the common language used throughout the Roman Empire.
03:50Now, back on point.
03:52Jesus is asked specifically by His apostles how to pray to God.
03:56So, there's no question about subtext here.
04:00There is a direct question and a direct answer.
04:03Now, first, I'm going to read the original from the first Christian Bible of 144 AD.
04:09This is the unchanged, unedited, original prayer just as we find it in the Gospel of the Lord.
04:17Directly from Greek to English with no Latin pit stops.
04:22And if you want to follow along, you can go to theveryfirstbible.org and download a free copy.
04:29Here is the Lord's Prayer.
04:32Now, that sounds pretty good for just 58 words.
05:01But I wonder what it would sound like in person.
05:04Imagine you're standing next to Jesus and He's telling you how to pray to our Father.
05:09I wonder what that would sound like.
05:11Oh, I know.
05:12Let's find out.
05:13Let's pray.
05:17ʿAθήτω τ' όνομά σου, ʿEλθέτω η Βασιλεία σου,
05:22ʿGεννηθήτω τ' θέλημά σου, ως εν ουρανώ, ούτως και επ' γης.
05:29ʿTon āρ των ημών δώσιμην, ημέραν προς ημέραν,
05:33ʿDiA t'n Erechōmenin ημέραν.
05:36ʿKe συγχώρησον ημήν τ'as αμαρτίας ημών,
05:39ʿDiOti kē Ŀμείς συγχωρούμεν.
05:42ʿPάντα τον οφηλέτει ημών,
05:44ʿKe mi eisāgyesi mas eis pirazmō.
05:49That was Greek, by the way.
05:51Now we'll take a look at the later versions,
05:54which were edited, annotated, and Judaized,
05:57just as we find them in the King James Bible.
06:00We're going to start with the Matthew version,
06:02because it was the first attempt at Judaizing
06:06the Gospel of the Lord from the original Bible.
06:09Next, we'll take a look at the Luke version.
06:12And both, it should be noted,
06:13were written by anonymous authors,
06:16which is, of course, another discussion all unto itself.
06:20I mean, how is something divinely inspired
06:22if the author is anonymous?
06:25How can both versions be divinely inspired
06:27if the words are different?
06:29Was one more divinely inspired than the other?
06:32Were they divinely inspired by our Father
06:35or by an alien deity named Yahweh
06:38from a different religion?
06:40Was Pope Francis divinely inspired
06:43when he changed the divinely inspired words
06:47in the prayer in 2019?
06:50Or perhaps he got a good role
06:52and used the plus-three staff of divine inspiration
06:56to magically change the prayer?
06:59What's next?
07:00Anonymous material witnesses in court
07:03who are exempt from cross-examination
07:05because their testimony is considered
07:08to be divinely inspired?
07:10I mean, this sounds like the very definition
07:13of apocryphal, does it not?
07:15But I digress.
07:17And I have every confidence
07:18that Lois from Missouri
07:20will be weighing in with these
07:22and similar questions for a different episode.
07:26Now, here is the Matthew version
07:28of the Lord's Prayer, chapter 6, 9 through 13.
07:33Our Father, which art in heaven,
07:35hallowed be thy name.
07:37Thy kingdom come,
07:38thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven.
07:41Give us this day our daily bread,
07:44and forgive us our debts,
07:46as we forgive our debtors.
07:48And lead us not into temptation,
07:50but deliver us from evil.
07:52For thine is the kingdom
07:54and the power and the glory forever.
07:58Amen.
07:58Now, the later version
08:00from equally anonymous Luke,
08:02we find that in chapter 11, 2 through 4.
08:05And he said unto them,
08:07When ye pray, say,
08:09Our Father, which art in heaven,
08:12hallowed be thy name.
08:13Thy kingdom come.
08:15Thy will be done as in heaven,
08:17so in earth.
08:18Give us day by day our daily bread,
08:21and forgive us our sins.
08:23For we also forgive everyone
08:25that is indebted to us.
08:27And lead us not into temptation,
08:29but deliver us from evil.
08:31And now the Catholic version
08:33of the Lord's Prayer.
08:34Our Father, who art in heaven,
08:36hallowed be thy name.
08:38Thy kingdom come.
08:39Thy will be done on earth
08:40as it is in heaven.
08:42Give us this day our daily bread,
08:44and forgive us our trespasses,
08:46as we forgive those
08:47who trespass against us.
08:49And lead us not into temptation,
08:52but deliver us from evil.
08:55However, in 2019,
08:57Pope Francis changed
08:59lead us not into temptation
09:01to do not let us fall into temptation.
09:05Now, officially,
09:07this change was mandated
09:08for the Italian translation
09:10of the prayer.
09:11But what's important
09:12is the reasoning that Francis used
09:15when editing the Lord's Prayer.
09:16This is from him, quote,
09:18It is not a good translation,
09:20because it speaks of a God
09:22who induces temptation,
09:24he told Italian TV, continuing.
09:27I am the one who falls.
09:29It's not him pushing me
09:31into temptation
09:31to then see how I have fallen.
09:34A father doesn't do that.
09:36A father helps you
09:37to get up immediately.
09:39It's Satan who leads us
09:41into temptation.
09:42That's his department, unquote.
09:44Now, I think you'll agree,
09:47this same reasoning
09:48could be applied
09:49to all languages,
09:51not just Italian,
09:52could it not?
09:53Why just one language?
09:55Was it just the camel's nose
09:57under the tent
09:58to see what he could get away with?
10:00I mean,
10:01oh, well,
10:01it's just the Italian version.
10:03It's not a big deal, right?
10:05But let's back the truck up a little.
10:07In fact,
10:08let's zoom out
10:09from 30,000 feet
10:10and have a look at this mess.
10:12First,
10:13the pre-Nicene Christians,
10:15especially the Marcionites,
10:17have always known
10:18that Yahweh,
10:19the deity worshipped by Jews,
10:21is not the same
10:22as our Father.
10:24Specifically,
10:25they believed
10:25that God our Father
10:26was only revealed
10:27through his Son,
10:29Jesus Christ,
10:31not before.
10:32You see,
10:33Yahweh,
10:33the desert war god,
10:35or any of the other
10:36dozen deities
10:37like Molech,
10:39Chemosh,
10:39or Baal,
10:40worshipped by monolatrous Jews
10:43over the centuries,
10:44are alien to our belief system,
10:47just as the deities
10:48of Hindus,
10:49Islamists,
10:50and Buddhas are.
10:52And it was this core belief
10:53that caused a schism
10:55in the church
10:56in 144 AD.
10:58That's when St. Marcion
10:59and Pope Pius I
11:01had their big showdown
11:03in Rome.
11:04Marcion laid
11:05the first Christian Bible
11:06and the Torah
11:07side by side
11:09and compared
11:10the described actions
11:12and behavior
11:12of both gods.
11:14The Yahweh deity
11:16of the Torah
11:16is,
11:17by the words
11:17of his own worshippers,
11:18a barbaric sociopath
11:20who not only genocides
11:23women and children,
11:24but even takes time off
11:25to kill his own people
11:27when he's in a bad mood.
11:28You see,
11:29Yahweh is both good
11:31and evil
11:32in their belief system.
11:34Read Ezekiel 9.6
11:35for a taste
11:36of the juicy details.
11:38And don't worry,
11:39we're going to apply
11:40this context
11:41to our main subject
11:42in just a second.
11:44Anyway,
11:44despite these facts,
11:46Pope Pius I
11:47chose to side
11:49with the Judaizers
11:50and their Yahweh deity.
11:52In 382 AD,
11:53his decision
11:54was codified
11:55when the Torah books
11:56were stapled
11:57to the front
11:58of the edited
11:59New Testament.
12:00The Torah Yahweh books
12:01were then renamed
12:02and you know them now
12:04as the Old Testament.
12:06And let there be
12:06no mistake
12:07as we move forward.
12:09Yahweh is the God
12:10of the Catholic Church.
12:12Yahweh is the God
12:14of every denomination
12:15that has Torah books
12:17stapled to the front
12:18of their Bible.
12:19And by the way,
12:20the name Yahweh
12:21is used
12:216,832 times
12:24in that Old Testament.
12:26And yet,
12:26we find the name Yahweh
12:27not even once
12:29in the New Testament.
12:30Well,
12:31these are the facts
12:32and they are undisputed.
12:33Now,
12:34with this additional context,
12:35we find the changes
12:36made by Pope Francis
12:38and the reasoning
12:39behind it
12:40quite bizarre,
12:42keeping in mind
12:43the dozens of times
12:44that Yahweh
12:45tricked,
12:46deceived,
12:47and killed
12:47his own people.
12:49Let's read the quote
12:50from Pope Francis
12:51one more time.
12:52It is not a good translation
12:54because it speaks
12:55of a God
12:56who induces
12:57temptation,
12:59unquote.
12:59And remember,
13:00this is what he said
13:02on Italian TV.
13:03Quote,
13:04I am the one who falls.
13:06It's not him pushing me
13:07into temptation
13:08to then see
13:09how I have fallen.
13:11A father doesn't do that.
13:13A father helps you
13:14to get up immediately.
13:16It's Satan
13:17who leads us
13:17into temptation.
13:19That's his department,
13:21unquote.
13:22Now,
13:22I'm not a papal expert,
13:24but I did do
13:2512 years of Catholic schooling
13:27in Chicago,
13:28taught by brothers.
13:29And I'm going to assume,
13:31and maybe I'm way
13:31off base here,
13:32but I'm going to assume
13:34that to be Pope,
13:35you have to,
13:36maybe as a minimum requirement,
13:38you probably have to
13:39at least read the Bible
13:41that your church uses.
13:43So,
13:44not to put too fine
13:45a point on the question,
13:46but how do we square
13:48the Pope's statement
13:49and reasoning
13:50for changing
13:51the Lord's Prayer
13:51with what we can all
13:53read for ourselves
13:54about Yahweh
13:55in the Old Testament?
13:57You know what?
13:57I have a better idea.
13:59Let's just skip
14:00all the examples
14:01as told by his own people.
14:03Let's get a direct quote
14:05from Yahweh himself
14:06as we read it in
14:07Isaiah 45, 7,
14:10quote,
14:10I form the light
14:12and create darkness.
14:13I make peace
14:15and create evil.
14:17I, the Lord,
14:18do all these things,
14:20unquote.
14:21And yet here's Pope Francis
14:22distancing Yahweh
14:24from ever causing
14:25something like temptation
14:27and by extension,
14:29distancing himself
14:30from Yahweh.
14:31He's like the battered
14:32wife of theology,
14:34protecting the husband
14:35at a cocktail party.
14:36Whoa,
14:37I know Yahweh
14:37can get a little tense
14:39from time to time,
14:40but tempting somebody
14:41to do something?
14:42Wow,
14:43he would never do that.
14:45I mean,
14:45how bizarre.
14:47Now,
14:47there was a time
14:48when I would just
14:49chalk this up
14:50to the usual
14:51cognitive dissonance
14:52that all Judeo-Christians
14:54exhibit
14:55when trying to explain
14:57two different religions
14:58stapled together.
15:00In fact,
15:00they have an entire
15:01apologetics industry
15:03that is paid
15:03to dance on the head
15:04of a pin
15:05and explain away reality.
15:08But in this case,
15:08I don't think
15:09what Francis said
15:10is reflective
15:11of simple
15:12cognitive dissonance.
15:14Now,
15:15despite the cartoonish
15:16framing and phrasing
15:17that he uses,
15:18there's something
15:19much deeper
15:20being expressed.
15:21What's the word
15:22I'm looking for?
15:24Oh yeah,
15:25limited hangout
15:26with maybe a side order
15:28of trial balloons.
15:30Simply put,
15:31the Catholic Church
15:31is trying to claim
15:33the ground
15:34held by the
15:35Marcionite Church,
15:36the ground
15:37of the good God,
15:38the ground
15:39of our Father.
15:41Perhaps you've noticed
15:42that it seems
15:43a veil
15:44is slowly being removed
15:46from the hearts
15:48and minds of people
15:49and they're beginning
15:50to see things
15:51for what they truly are.
15:53Why are these
15:54Judeo-Christian
15:55denominations
15:56suddenly distancing
15:58themselves
15:59from the
16:00Yahweh deity?
16:01I mean,
16:02after 2,000 years,
16:03it's a little late
16:05to pretend
16:06that you didn't
16:07know what was
16:08in your Bible
16:08that whole time.
16:10And yet,
16:10amazingly,
16:11here's the
16:12since-departed Pope
16:13talking like
16:14a Marcionite.
16:15How bizarre.
16:17And it didn't
16:17just start
16:18six years ago
16:19with Francis
16:20changing the
16:21Lord's Prayer
16:22and feigning
16:23ignorance
16:24of the actions
16:25of his own God.
16:27No,
16:27the Catholic Church
16:28in particular
16:29felt the ground
16:30shifting
16:31a long time ago.
16:33I call it
16:33the Yahweh problem.
16:35You see,
16:36everybody signs up
16:37for Jesus.
16:39Nobody signs up
16:40for Yahweh.
16:42Yahweh
16:43is the
16:44poison pill
16:45they give you
16:46on the back end
16:47after signing up
16:48for Jesus.
16:49And people are
16:49starting to wise up
16:51to the trick,
16:52the deception.
16:53So how do you
16:54solve a 2,000-year-old
16:56Yahweh problem
16:57if you're
16:58the Catholic Church?
16:59I mean,
17:00sure,
17:00you can change
17:01a couple of prayers
17:02here and there,
17:03but substantially
17:04the same problem
17:05remains.
17:06At the end of the day
17:07you have two options.
17:09Either one,
17:10admit you were wrong
17:12in 144 AD
17:13and come home
17:15to our Father
17:15and unify Christians
17:17again.
17:18Or two,
17:19ignore the Yahweh
17:20problem,
17:21pop smoke,
17:22and pretend
17:23it doesn't exist.
17:25And as you've
17:25probably guessed,
17:26the Catholic Church
17:27went with door
17:28number two.
17:29Now,
17:3017 years ago,
17:31June 29,
17:332008,
17:34to be precise,
17:35the Congregation
17:36for Divine Worship
17:38and the Discipline
17:39of the Sacraments,
17:41otherwise known as
17:42CDWDS,
17:45published a letter
17:46to the Bishop's Conference
17:47titled,
17:48The Name of God.
17:51And in it,
17:52they ordered
17:52the name Yahweh
17:53removed
17:54from every Catholic
17:56liturgical guide
17:58on the planet.
17:58That's right,
18:00every hymn,
18:01every song,
18:02every mass.
18:04The name Yahweh
18:05was then replaced
18:06with the generic
18:08descriptors
18:09of Lord
18:10or God.
18:12Well,
18:12what Yahweh?
18:13Yahweh who?
18:15That's right,
18:16meet your new
18:16nameless,
18:17anonymous God,
18:19just like the
18:20anonymous gospel authors.
18:22How bizarre!
18:24Now,
18:24before we circle back
18:26to the change itself,
18:27I'd like to just
18:28make a quick point
18:29about context
18:30and the absence
18:31of it.
18:32A declarative
18:33or story
18:34devoid of context
18:35is the playground
18:37of the devil
18:38and a circus
18:38for liars.
18:40So,
18:40whether it's religion,
18:42politics,
18:42or science,
18:43make sure that you
18:44do your homework.
18:45Now,
18:45I've given you
18:46some context
18:48about this Lord's Prayer,
18:50but did you know
18:51that context
18:52was also provided
18:53for the Apostle Paul's
18:55Ten Epistles.
18:56In the first Christian Bible
18:58of 144 AD,
19:00prologues accompanied
19:01each of the letters,
19:03describing the people
19:05and events
19:05that surrounded
19:06the need
19:07for each epistle.
19:09Just an interesting point.
19:11Now,
19:11back to Pope Francis
19:12and his changing of
19:14lead us not
19:15into temptation
19:16to
19:16do not let us
19:18fall into temptation.
19:20Now,
19:20I guess
19:21we're to assume
19:22that none of the
19:23five million
19:24full-time employees
19:26of the Catholic Church
19:27actually speaks Greek
19:29or that
19:30of its
19:3073 billion dollar
19:33treasury,
19:34not a single
19:35leptin or drachma
19:36could be
19:37spared
19:37to hire
19:38a translator.
19:39You see,
19:40the Greek word
19:41for temptation,
19:43pyrasmos,
19:44can mean
19:44test,
19:46trial,
19:47or
19:47temptation.
19:49Thus,
19:49do not bring us
19:50into testing,
19:51do not put us
19:52to the test,
19:54or lead us
19:54not into trial,
19:56would have also
19:57been good translations.
19:59And by the way,
20:00for a clue
20:01as to which test
20:02or trial
20:03is being referred to,
20:05we turn to
20:06chapter 9,
20:07verse 1
20:08of the Gospel
20:09of the Lord
20:10and read the following,
20:11quote,
20:11And when they bring you
20:13up before the synagogues
20:14and unto the rulers
20:15and authorities,
20:17be not anxious
20:18or what thing
20:19you shall answer
20:20or what you
20:21shall say.
20:23For the Holy Spirit
20:24shall teach you
20:25in the same hour
20:26what you
20:27ought to say,
20:29unquote.
20:30Now,
20:30that sure sounds
20:31like a test
20:32or trial
20:33to me.
20:33And it serves
20:34as a reminder
20:35that each
20:36and every word
20:37is in that prayer
20:38for a reason.
20:40These aren't
20:41random words.
20:43It's not
20:43a rap song
20:44where we
20:45grab a speak-and-spell
20:47and find something
20:48that rhymes
20:48or pick a word
20:50that makes us
20:51feel better.
20:52And if Bergoglio
20:53can change words
20:54in the Bible
20:55because he
20:56doesn't like
20:57the way something
20:57sounded,
20:58who else
20:59made changes?
21:00You think
21:00an English king,
21:02Judaizers
21:03in the early church,
21:04or a Roman emperor
21:06wouldn't also
21:07feel the need
21:08to make changes?
21:10Well,
21:10for the greater good,
21:12of course.
21:13In other words,
21:14there was no need
21:15to change
21:16the most important
21:17prayer in Christianity.
21:19But he did it anyway.
21:20He did it deliberate.
21:22Like spray-painting
21:23ghetto graffiti
21:24on a great work of art.
21:26It's just bizarre.
21:28But wait a minute.
21:29Off in the distance,
21:31I think I hear
21:32something ringing.
21:33It sounds like,
21:34oh, that's right,
21:35it's a clue phone.
21:37Gee, I wonder
21:38what that's all about.
21:39Well, we just read
21:41in the last verse
21:42two interesting words,
21:44didn't we?
21:44Holy Spirit.
21:46Let's pull up
21:47that graphic again,
21:48comparing the
21:49original Lord's Prayer
21:50with the edited
21:51Matthew, Luke,
21:52and Catholic versions.
21:54Now,
21:55what in the world
21:57is going on here?
21:58Why have all
21:59three versions
22:00deleted the words
22:02Holy Spirit
22:03from the first sentence
22:05of the prayer?
22:06Oh,
22:06everything is like
22:08getting hazy here.
22:10Let me make sure
22:10I'm not imagining things.
22:12I'd better read
22:13the original
22:14one more time.
22:16Quote,
22:16Father,
22:17let your Holy Spirit
22:18come upon us,
22:20hallowed be your name.
22:22Unquote.
22:22No,
22:23there it is.
22:24It's still there.
22:25Well,
22:26for starters,
22:27this proves
22:28that Luke
22:28is just an edited version
22:30of the Gospel
22:31of the Lord,
22:32not the other way around.
22:33That debate
22:34is now
22:35officially over.
22:37But,
22:37I don't want us
22:38to get lost
22:38in the weeds here,
22:39so let's stay on point.
22:41Let's find,
22:42fix,
22:42and finish.
22:43Why would the Judaizers
22:45who wrote Luke
22:46and Matthew
22:46have a problem
22:47with the Holy Spirit?
22:49Now,
22:50in answer,
22:50I asked a group
22:52of parishioners
22:53from the Marcionite Church
22:54for their thoughts
22:56on the deletion,
22:57and the consensus
22:58seems to be
22:59that there was
23:00a coordinated effort
23:01to,
23:02at the very least,
23:03minimize the role
23:05played by the Holy Spirit.
23:07You see,
23:08Father,
23:08let your Holy Spirit
23:10come upon us
23:11is a powerful statement.
23:13It opens the prayer.
23:15It reveals
23:16the name of our God,
23:18which,
23:18as stated in the prayer,
23:20is not something
23:21called a Yahweh.
23:23And,
23:23think about this,
23:25also reveals
23:26the mechanism
23:27by which
23:28we receive
23:29his gifts.
23:30Now,
23:31this causes us
23:32to reflect on how
23:33the Holy Spirit
23:34is around us,
23:36with us always.
23:38We merely need
23:39to ask our Father
23:40that it come upon us.
23:42Now,
23:43this is not
23:44inconsequential material
23:46or random words
23:48from a speak-and-spell.
23:50Somebody,
23:50or something,
23:52does not want you
23:53thinking about it
23:54or knowing it.
23:55It was deliberately
23:57removed
23:57removed for a reason.
23:59Now,
23:59think about this.
24:01So far,
24:02we've only dissected
24:03the removal
24:04of seven words
24:05and the replacement
24:06of another,
24:07out of a total
24:08of just 58 words.
24:10And we've barely
24:11scratched the surface
24:12on the changes
24:14made to the most
24:15important prayer
24:16in Christianity.
24:17Everything from bread
24:18to sin
24:19to debt
24:20has also been changed.
24:22Even the difference
24:23between saying
24:24in earth
24:25or on earth
24:27has been tinkered with.
24:28Now,
24:28we're running
24:29a little long on this,
24:30but if you're interested
24:31in a part two,
24:33let me know
24:33in the comments section.
24:35I'm going to leave you today
24:36with a couple of thoughts.
24:37Without the first Bible
24:39of 144 AD,
24:40we would have been
24:41totally unaware
24:43of the original words
24:45in the Lord's Prayer.
24:46Nobody would have been
24:47the wiser
24:48that it was edited.
24:49And it's not just
24:50the prayer.
24:51We're talking about
24:52dozens of key verses
24:54in the original
24:55ten epistles.
24:56Not to mention
24:57the entire gospel
24:58of the Lord
24:59being vandalized
25:00with four different
25:02Judaized versions
25:03of it being created
25:04out of whole cloth.
25:06But do you realize
25:07how razor-thin
25:08close it came
25:09to being erased
25:11from history?
25:12No, you don't.
25:13In 303 AD,
25:15Roman Emperor
25:16Diocletian
25:17declared war
25:18on all of Christianity,
25:19and he ordered
25:20every copy
25:21of the first Bible
25:22to be found
25:23and set to the torch.
25:25He ordered
25:26all churches
25:27toppled to the ground
25:28and bishops
25:29forced to renounce
25:30Jesus.
25:31And when the soldiers
25:32went door-to-door
25:33looking for scriptures
25:34to burn,
25:35they weren't interested
25:36in apocryphal
25:38Judaized nonsense.
25:39No,
25:40they were looking
25:41specifically
25:42for the gospel
25:43of the Lord.
25:44Now,
25:44a brief synopsis
25:46of the canon debate
25:47book sheds light.
25:48By the time
25:49of the Diocletianic
25:51persecution
25:52in 303,
25:53Roman authorities
25:54and their campaign
25:55to confiscate
25:56Christian property
25:57included the requirement
25:59that Christian books
26:00be handed in
26:02and burned.
26:03In the words
26:03of Eusebius,
26:04we saw with our
26:05very eyes
26:06the inspired
26:07and sacred
26:08scriptures
26:09committed to the flames
26:10in the marketplaces
26:11in response
26:12to the imperial letter
26:14ordering the destruction
26:15by fire
26:16of the scriptures.
26:18The requirement
26:19showed that
26:20the authorities
26:20knew Christians
26:21had an identifiable
26:23set of holy writings
26:24and they knew
26:25of their importance
26:26to the Christian communities.
26:28Heracles,
26:29governor of Bithynia
26:30and the chief promoter
26:32of the persecution,
26:33well,
26:33he knew the Christian Bible
26:35and had already
26:36attempted in two books
26:37against the Christians
26:39to prove the falsehood
26:41of sacred scripture
26:42by which
26:43was meant
26:43Christian
26:44sacred writings
26:46as the reference
26:47to Paul and Peter
26:48makes clear.
26:49And Christians
26:49themselves thought
26:51they had an identifiable
26:52set of scriptures
26:53for they immediately
26:55experienced
26:56a moral dilemma
26:57over giving up
26:58documents
26:59to the authorities,
27:00an issue
27:01that became
27:01the occasion
27:02for the Donatist schism.
27:04Now,
27:05Christians might
27:05hide writings,
27:07try to pass off
27:08apocryphal
27:09and heretical texts,
27:11or in some cases
27:12debate what to hand over
27:14and what not to,
27:16but for the most part,
27:17they knew
27:18what books
27:19the soldiers
27:20were looking for,
27:21unquote.
27:22Now,
27:22at this point,
27:23they thought
27:23they had finished
27:24the job
27:25and erased
27:26all traces
27:27of the first Bible
27:28because just 20 years
27:30later,
27:31thinking that there
27:31was now a clean slate,
27:33Emperor Constantine
27:35would produce
27:3550 of his own
27:37Judaized Bibles
27:38after the Council
27:39of Nicaea
27:40in 325 A.D.
27:43Interestingly,
27:44on a side note,
27:46he executed
27:46his wife
27:47and firstborn son
27:49less than a year
27:50after the Council
27:51ended,
27:52no doubt a display
27:53of his newfound
27:54love of Christianity.
27:56And in 382 A.D.,
27:58the Roman Catholic Church
27:59would adopt
28:00his personally
28:01approved scriptures
28:02as their own
28:04when they finally
28:04published
28:05their own version
28:06of a Bible.
28:07Now,
28:08does this added context
28:09help you understand
28:10the motivations
28:12behind editing
28:13prayers and scriptures?
28:15And one final note
28:16on the editing
28:16of prayers
28:17and editing the Bible.
28:19It's not a new phenomenon.
28:21In fact,
28:21it was so commonplace
28:23that even the Apostle Paul
28:25warned us
28:26about fake
28:27and perverted Gospels
28:28in Galatians 1,
28:304-6.
28:31Quote,
28:32I marvel
28:32that ye are
28:33so quickly changed
28:34from him
28:35that called you
28:36in the grace
28:37unto a different Gospel,
28:39which is not another.
28:40But there be some
28:41that trouble you
28:42and would pervert
28:43the Gospel of Christ.
28:45But though we
28:45or an angel
28:46should announce
28:47to you a Gospel
28:48contrary to what
28:49ye have received,
28:51let him be accursed.
28:53Unquote.
28:53Simply put,
28:54without the solid foundation
28:56of the first Bible
28:57of 144 A.D.,
28:59you're left
28:59with a collection
29:00of scribbled
29:01psychobabble
29:02and stapled
29:03together religions
29:04and set adrift
29:05on the spiritual
29:06dead sea
29:07without a paddle
29:08or rudder.
29:10And it was all
29:10by design.
29:11When Bergoglio
29:12changed the Lord's Prayer,
29:14he made us realize
29:15it wasn't the first time
29:17that the Bible
29:17had been altered.
29:19In this way,
29:20our Father
29:21used him
29:22to bring forth good.
29:24And now you know
29:26the rest of the story.
29:27May our Father's
29:29Holy Spirit
29:30find and guide you
29:31in these confusing times
29:32and lift the veil
29:33from your hearts
29:34and minds.
29:35I'm Darren Kalam
29:36and we'll see you next time
29:37on Presbyter Chat.
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