00:00Hey, this is Rolling Stone. We're here at Lollapalooza with...
00:03Charlotte Lawrence.
00:04Face of a fool. I'm just a talk in the window. Tell me you're visiting soon.
00:12How are we doing, Charlotte?
00:14I'm doing amazing. I just got off stage like 10 minutes ago.
00:17How are we feeling?
00:18Exhausted.
00:19Exhausted?
00:20I sweat so much. You have no idea.
00:22You're going to get a very, like, overwhelmed, exhausted, kind of manic interview from me right now?
00:27So you were telling me you're about to continue your tour, so you've been on the road.
00:30I'm wondering if there are anything, things that you've been surprised by and lessons that you've learned on the road.
00:35I mean, I don't know if it's a lesson, but more so a reminder is gratitude.
00:39We are in a van riding across the country and in Canada as well.
00:46And staying in the hotels that we can find in the areas that we're in and have, like, 10-hour car drives in the van.
00:53And it's really grueling.
00:56And it's also really beautiful and really fun.
00:58But I've learned to be extremely grateful for my bed at home and for my coziness and my home in general.
01:08But it has also been just the most fun ever.
01:11Your album's been out for a little bit over a month now.
01:13As it's been out in the world, I'm wondering if your relationship with these songs that were written probably in private have changed as other people have been reacting to them and as you've been sharing them with people.
01:25Yeah, definitely.
01:26I love songs for myself and I have very personal connections to a lot of my songs that that love doesn't really change and the meaning behind it doesn't change for me.
01:36But I definitely always adapt a newfound love for songs that that end up being, like, crowd pleasers and fans love because nothing is more fun than being at a show, singing at a show and having people, like, really interact and sing back my words to me and dance.
01:52100%, yeah.
01:53So, Dog, I've, I've, it's now, like, my favorite song to perform and it's because of that.
01:59And I really love performing Body Bag because I feel I get to really connect with people and it feels really special and intimate.
02:06I try to look out and see if, you know, as much as I can into the audience and see who is being affected by what song or, you know, what means something to the next person.
02:17Or if there's, like, a young girl who's obsessed with something I can see in her face and I try to connect because it means so much to me.
02:23But if I stare for too long, then I'll start literally crying because I'm, like, that's, it's, like, too much to handle.
02:29So then I always make it awkward.
02:30I'm, like, I can't, sorry, I'm sorry.
02:32They're, like, what?
02:32I didn't do anything.
02:33That's sweet.
02:34Do you have any artists that maybe you were the young girl in the audience for?
02:37Every single artist that I loved.
02:38I, Bon Iver is definitely one of those for me.
02:41Same.
02:41I love Bon Iver.
02:43I think Justin Vernon is, like, greatest of all time.
02:46Definitely.
02:47And I saw his show at the Hollywood Bowl a long time ago.
02:52I think it was 2017.
02:53I was there.
02:54And it started raining.
02:55Yep.
02:55Like, right in the middle of Skinny Love.
02:59Yeah, formative time.
03:00And I was, like, wah!
03:03And immediately started crying.
03:05Yeah.
03:05But, yes, of course.
03:06And Joni Mitchell I love so much.
03:08I think Taylor Swift is the best performer ever.
03:12I think Elias Smith is my, like, favorite of all time.
03:15Yeah.
03:15And Sufjan Stevens I love.
03:17I love either, like, really, really depressing male vocalists that are, like, suicide music.
03:24Sure, yeah.
03:25And, I mean, it's really dark to say.
03:26But, like, songs that make you want to, like, crawl into a hole and, like, cry for hours.
03:31And then on the alternate side, like, really powerful female vocalists.
03:35Yeah, you've got to have the balance.
03:36You've got to have the balance.
03:37Right, the duality.
03:38And the variety.
03:39Exactly.
03:40I love that.
03:41Speaking of other songwriters, one of your songs on your new album was co-written with Gracie Abrams,
03:46who also played this festival a couple days ago.
03:49Tell me a little bit about that song.
03:50You said it's your favorite on the album.
03:51My favorite song changes literally every week.
03:54Of course.
03:55It also depends on which I sing best at the shows that I play.
03:59Valid.
03:59But I love Ophelia so much.
04:01I wrote it with Gracie Abrams, who has been a friend of mine since we've been, like, 10 years old.
04:07She feels like family to me at this point.
04:10And besides the fact that she's literally the nicest, kindest, coolest, funniest, like, really great down-to-earth girl,
04:18she's also a fucking fourth and a half.
04:20Totally.
04:21And is such a massive talent.
04:23When we wrote this song, it was so seamless and so easy.
04:26It was just, like, back and forth, one line here, one line there.
04:30And we ended up finishing the song in, like, an hour.
04:31And then I brought it to Ben Gibbard, who I also die for and love so much.
04:36Die, love.
04:37The sickest ever.
04:37Yeah.
04:37And he made it what it is and helped write this great outro.
04:42And, yeah, I just, I'm really proud of that song.
04:44I saw an interview one time that Paul McCartney was talking about John Lennon and was saying, like,
05:01yeah, he was my friend, but, like, how fucking cool.
05:04Like, I got to write with John Lennon.
05:05Right.
05:06And I was like, no means am I not comparing myself at all to the Beatles.
05:11Welcome back, Paul McCartney and John Lennon.
05:13Yeah, no, fuck, no, no.
05:16But I was thinking about that.
05:17I was like, Gracie's my friend and I've known her for so long, but I really do have that feeling of, like,
05:22oh, my God, I got to write a song with Gracie Abrams.
05:24Right.
05:24Like, that's so cool.
05:25She's so amazing.
05:26And, like, I can't believe I have, you know, do this, like, small part of her big, massive, beautiful career.
05:32It was just awesome.
05:33If you were to describe or, like, pitch your music to someone who's never heard it before, what would you say?
05:37Keep it short.
05:38Keep it fun.
05:40I'd be like, if you want to dance and move your head but, like, have a single tear fall at the same time,
05:48this is the music for you.
05:50Also, like, if you, like, PCH drives with, at sunset with the window down and then listen to this music.
05:58Like, I don't know, it's, like, indie rock, pop, mellow but fun and sad.
06:05And sad.
06:06And we can't forget that.
06:07Knowing your inspirations, it makes sense.
06:09Yeah, really sad.
06:10It makes sense.
06:11So I was looking at your dream baby press sort of, like, loves and hates this.
06:15I love it.
06:15And there are some that I want to talk about that.
06:17I probably should have it.
06:18But one of them that really stood out to me was men who vape.
06:20You hate.
06:21I hate it.
06:22Elaborate on that.
06:23Tell me why.
06:23Oh, my gosh.
06:24Go off to the camera.
06:24Well, first of all, vaping in itself is so nasty and so bad for you.
06:28And it hasn't been around long enough for us to actually know, like, the long-term effects.
06:32But I think it's going to kill everybody.
06:34I vaped for a long time and then I quit so I'm allowed to say this.
06:37It's going to kill everybody.
06:38It's really bad for you.
06:40But I think men who vape, I'm like, oh, you're.
06:42You're already a man.
06:43Am I allowed to curse and say whatever?
06:44Please, go crazy.
06:45Oh, you're just a little bitch.
06:47Like, you're a little tiny bitch.
06:48Like, look at you with your fucking sucking on your computer dick.
06:50Like, who are you?
06:51You're a little pacifier.
06:52Yeah, it's like your little computer peen that you're, like, just sucking on your pacifier
06:55that's, like, has a computer on the screen and is like, oh, like, oh, little baby.
07:01Like, cigarettes are really fucking bad for you, but at least we know what's in them
07:04and at least they're hot.
07:05Yeah, you look cooler doing it.
07:05Smoke a fucking cigarette versus, like, trying to smoke your vape and, like, blow O's and
