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  • 24/07/2025
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La trilogie Pusher de Nicolas Winding Refn, dans une version restaurée 4K, le 9 juillet au cinéma

FilmsActu X Nicolas Winding Refn (Interview)
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04:56Vous avez des fantômes, et j'aime l'extrême,
04:59donc j'ai pensé que je vais partir de l'autre à l'autre.
05:02Et je pense que j'ai travaillé dans le fantôme,
05:04ça a été beaucoup de fun.
05:06Donc j'ai décidé de faire Pusher 4 quelques années,
05:11mais comme un show de TV,
05:12et ça s'est devenu Copenhagen Cowboy,
05:14qui est vraiment Pusher 4.
05:16Il a des mêmes personnages et des mêmes mondes,
05:20mais je n'étais pas plus intéressé
05:24dans la manière dont j'ai eu l'habitude,
05:26parce que social media dominait cette narrative maintenant.
05:30Tout est accessible, et la plupart du tout est réel,
05:35ou à l'aise peut être très réel,
05:37capturé de moment à moment,
05:39et c'est très efficace, et je ne peux pas faire ça.
05:43Mais ce que je peux faire, c'est que je peux manipuler
05:46ça dans mon propre version.
05:48C'est fantôme, et c'est que je me suis plus intéressé.
05:51J'ai perdu la peur de vivre dans le vrai monde,
05:56et d'être plus excitée par stepping dans le théâtre,
06:02le space de l'unreality, comme un stage.
06:05Et donc, c'est comme l'évolution.
06:09Qu'est-ce que tu veux faire ?
06:12Je pense que si les directeurs veulent retourner
06:15et changer leurs films, je suis sûr qu'il y a une raison.
06:18Je n'ai pas besoin de faire.
06:20Je n'ai jamais eu la liberté de faire
06:23pour faire le film que je voulais faire.
06:25Donc, il n'y a rien à changer.
06:27J'ai quand même regardé.
06:29Donc, une fois que j'ai fait quelque chose,
06:31j'ai été ostracisé dans mon corps.
06:33Il n'est plus en moi.
06:36Il n'y a pas besoin de faire.
06:39Et c'est quelque chose que je ne sais pas.
06:44J'ai quelque chose d'exprimer.
06:46Ils se disent que c'est difficile.
06:47Ils se disent que pour vous.
06:49Mais vous est toujours le même.
06:53C'est quelque chose.
06:54Et c'est quelque chose que je ne sais pas.
06:57Je n'ai pas besoin de vous.
06:58Lesホins sont en moi.
07:00Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
07:30by NWR.com
07:32I'll sign your box set
07:34and send it off to you
07:36I am, yeah I'm a huge
07:38fan of 4K
07:40like I love 4K
07:42I think 4K is like
07:43amazing because so many
07:46films can be
07:48rewatched with even better
07:50quality and who
07:52doesn't want that you know so
07:53it's kind of like a new layer of
07:56the new normal for me
07:58so I decided to do all
08:00my films in 4K slowly
08:02rolling them out you know
08:03I think cinema
08:08and television for that matter
08:10has had a very tough time
08:12in the last 10 years or so
08:1410-15 years. Gaming
08:16social media, VR
08:18canvases are exploding
08:20and they're constantly evolving
08:22because technology is allowing them
08:24to evolve. Movies and television
08:26TV is becoming more and more
08:28just content
08:30that you almost look at
08:31while you're doing other things
08:33and movies are still
08:35that window of
08:36exclusivity of the collective
08:38experience but I think
08:40that movies also needs
08:42to re-evaluate
08:44themselves. I remember when we were in Cannes
08:46for Only God Forgives and I
08:48after everyone had been booing me
08:50for so long that during
08:52my stay I did say
08:55look you can be angry
08:57with me and about my film
08:58but I am from the future
09:01and I'm going to make something
09:02that's going to predict what it's
09:04going to be like if you want to make
09:06films in the future
09:07and I was right
09:09because right after
09:10Only God Forgives the industry
09:12changed because of Netflix.
09:14Netflix was the game changer
09:15and it changed
09:17not so much
09:18what we're making
09:18but it's how we
09:19experienced
09:20film and content
09:22essentially
09:23how we viewed it
09:24and I think that to
09:25justify or for a movie
09:27to exist
09:28in longevity
09:29you have to
09:30see
09:31what a film can become
09:33rather than
09:33what it used to be.
09:37Violence is like sex
09:38it's all about
09:40the build up.
09:41Bang bang
09:41and then it's to the
09:42other wall
09:43now make it dirty
09:44unique
09:44interesting
09:45never seen before
09:46in violin.
09:50I'm not that
09:51strategic
09:52but I will say that
09:54everything is an evolution
09:56of something
09:57and
09:58there can be a tendency
10:00when something is
10:02liked
10:03that
10:03everyone
10:05wants the same
10:07same
10:07but I don't necessarily
10:09think that's true.
10:10It's better to give them
10:11something else
10:12or something different
10:13or something that
10:14destroys your past
10:16in order to make
10:17something new
10:19to transition.
10:20You know
10:20obviously the two films
10:22are very different
10:23but what ties them
10:24is
10:25myself
10:26and Ryan's
10:27interaction.
10:29However I find that
10:30interesting.
10:31It's like taking
10:32something and turning
10:33it on its head.
10:34it's taking
10:34the ultimate
10:35superhero
10:36in one movie
10:37and emasculating
10:38him in the next.
10:39It's taking
10:40one movie
10:41that's very poppy
10:42and another movie
10:43that's very
10:44esoteric
10:45and that
10:46I think
10:47is
10:48what makes
10:49the world
10:49interesting
10:50is that
10:50things can become
10:51different
10:52it can evolve
10:53into other
10:54components
10:55rather than
10:56just always
10:57staying in the
10:58same repeat
10:59lane
10:59because you
11:00very quickly
11:01run out of steam
11:02in my opinion.
11:03I was
11:03I was very happy
11:05but obviously
11:06you know
11:07a lot of harsh
11:08reactions
11:09and a lot of
11:11booing and screaming
11:12but then I was like
11:13that's kind of
11:14cruel
11:15because then you
11:16like sex pistols
11:17of cinema
11:18you know
11:18you're like
11:19the one everyone
11:20throws bottles at
11:21but you can't
11:22deny it existence
11:23you can't
11:24really criticize it
11:25because
11:26I did it my way
11:27the world
11:28will see it
11:29as it continues
11:30to evolve
11:31and
11:31and you just
11:32have to be
11:33you have to
11:33just to be
11:34trust yourself
11:35so you never
11:36lose your vision
11:36when you have
11:37that strong reaction
11:38no on the
11:39contrary
11:39you're like
11:40it's like
11:40energy
11:41it's like
11:42just wait for
11:42the next one
11:43I love that
11:44I'm like you
11:45I have no regrets
11:47about only God forgives
11:48I think it's a
11:48masterpiece
11:49and it is
11:49I just didn't
11:51make it very expensive
11:52is there a doctor
11:53in the house
11:53we need to get
11:56a medic in here
11:57is there
11:58is there a doctor
11:59around
11:59when you were
12:00mentioning 2001
12:02it says
12:03in Kane
12:03you forgot to add
12:04Drive
12:04we'll let that
12:05slip
12:06we won't know
12:07about Drive
12:08for another 30 years
12:0930 seconds
12:10whether it lives
12:12or dies
12:12I'm talking about
12:13films
12:132001 was made
12:16in 1968
12:17I made this film
12:19about 4 years ago
12:20so it's about
12:204 years is a zip
12:21it's not even
12:23a blip
12:23it's not a
12:24pimple
12:25on the
12:26asshole
12:27of humanity
12:28what was funny
12:29about talking
12:30to Billy Freakin
12:30was that
12:31it was
12:31he had a man
12:33who had struggled
12:34a lot
12:34in Hollywood
12:35and
12:36started very
12:38successfully
12:39at a young age
12:40and then
12:42gone into
12:42sorceress
12:43and
12:44you know
12:45was still
12:46traumatized
12:47by that experience
12:48after so many years
12:49and I think
12:50that was
12:50what was so sad
12:51in a way
12:52that it had
12:53such an effect
12:54on him
12:54it's a little bit
12:55like Michael Cimino
12:56doing Heaven's Gate
12:57these amazing films
12:59both Sorcerers
13:01and Heaven's Gate
13:02are probably
13:03their best films
13:04for some reason
13:05get so destroyed
13:07and then
13:08they lose
13:09sight of themselves
13:10or they lose
13:11their confidence
13:12and it affects
13:12all the other movies
13:14they make afterwards
13:14and I was like
13:16I'm never gonna be
13:17like that
13:17because
13:18I'm right
13:19you're wrong
13:19I mean
13:24I've
13:24done two shows
13:26one with Amazon
13:27one with Netflix
13:27and
13:28I like what I was making
13:30obviously
13:30but I
13:31I don't know
13:32how
13:32how
13:34much
13:35I want to continue
13:36I may want to
13:37take a break
13:38and
13:38go and make
13:40movies again
13:41I've decided
13:42to do more
13:42visual arts
13:44you know
13:45and
13:45trying
13:46to find
13:48other areas
13:49of creativity
13:50but I think
13:51it's time
13:52to go make
13:53a film again
13:53you said
13:54you work on
13:54two shows
13:55but you work on
13:55The Famous Five
13:56also
13:57The Famous Five
13:58was a television show
14:00that I
14:00I just
14:01how do you say
14:02executive produced
14:03or created
14:04but I had no
14:05involvement in it
14:06otherwise
14:07I just created
14:08the kind of
14:08concept and the story
14:10based on these
14:11very famous books
14:12The Famous Five
14:13was more because
14:13my kids would read
14:14the books
14:15when they were young
14:16I remember my mother
14:17reading me the books
14:18so it was more like
14:19a past history thing
14:21that came up
14:22as an opportunity
14:23Well I mean
14:28if something is interesting
14:29you know
14:30why not look at it
14:31I've had some
14:31wonderful meetings
14:32in Hollywood
14:33met wonderful people
14:35but in the end
14:36I like my freedom
14:37that's all I really want
14:39is just to be free
14:40when you work
14:41in Hollywood
14:42there is a
14:43contract
14:44some people love
14:45that and can work
14:46within that
14:47it's maybe not
14:49so much my thing
14:50right now
14:51but who knows
14:51maybe next year
14:52I'll do a big
14:53you know
14:55big superhero movie
14:56that could be fun
14:59maybe
14:59I don't know
14:59I'm pretty open
15:00to anything
15:01but at the same time
15:02at the end
15:03you should just
15:04make what makes you happy
15:05It's one thing
15:06having creative control
15:08which is easier enough
15:10but it's where
15:11all the money
15:12that's invested
15:13puts a burden
15:15on you
15:15because all that money
15:17has to get
15:17recouped
15:19and then you have to
15:19make a certain
15:20type of movie
15:21you don't have the freedom
15:22to do whatever you want
15:23because you're
15:24you're a slave
15:25to the economics
15:26if your film costs
15:28200 million dollars
15:29or 100 million dollars
15:30you need to make
15:31300-400 million dollars
15:32to break even
15:33that already puts
15:34a strain on
15:34what kind of movie
15:35can you make
15:36and I don't want
15:37any conditions
15:39on me
15:39at all
15:41you have to be
15:42completely free
15:43I mean in the beginning
15:49a lot of people
15:49were talking
15:50about another drive
15:51but it was like
15:52that would be
15:53the worst idea
15:54I've ever heard of
15:55So never?
15:56Never
15:57I've been very lucky
16:07to live
16:07a fun life
16:09and
16:10it has nothing
16:12to do with fame
16:13you realize
16:15very quickly
16:16it has
16:17that I've had
16:18opportunities
16:19and I've been able
16:20to work with people
16:21I've met people
16:23I've spoken with people
16:24and
16:25it's all been
16:26a lot of fun
16:27but I think
16:28when I started
16:29the idea of being seen
16:32was very essential
16:33the idea of fame
16:34and fame
16:35being an opportunity
16:37it's like
16:37an opportunity
16:38it's like
16:38a stage
16:39one thing
16:40is becoming famous
16:41the next
16:42what are you going to do
16:42with it
16:43and obviously
16:44it's like anything
16:45it's an opportunity
16:46I don't want to
17:03J'ai apporté à filmer le processus.
17:05C'est important que nous sommes avec lui, quand il filme.
17:09Lui, quand il a fait Drive, j'ai été chez moi avec les enfants.
17:13J'ai apporté 10 mois.
17:15C'était très difficile d'un autrement.
17:21Mon quotidien est une routine.
17:23Je me réveille, je fais deux heures de sport tous les jours.
17:27J'ai apporté à l'aise.
17:29J'ai apporté à mes enfants.
17:32J'ai apporté à l'aise.
17:34J'ai apporté à l'aise.
17:35J'ai apporté à l'aise, puis je ne t'ai pas de dormir trop tard.
17:39Puis, après, c'est le soir, c'est l'aise.
17:42Vous essayez de relaxer un peu plus.
17:45Et le prochain jour, c'est le lendemain.
17:47Tu regardes des films ?
17:49Je regardais beaucoup de films quand je suis plus jeune.
17:52Mais maintenant, c'est juste plus difficile.
17:54Il y a des choses que je trouve intéressantes.
17:56Comme quoi ?
17:57J'ai fait ma première exposition.
18:00J'ai apporté à Tokyo.
18:02Et ça a été beaucoup de plaisir.
18:04Une collaboration avec Hideo Kojima ?
18:06Oui.
18:07Pouvez-vous parler de ça ?
18:08J'ai créé une exposition qui s'ouvre la semaine dernière,
18:15en Tokyo, où j'ai créé cette installation entre nous.
18:20J'ai vu ma femme et ma fille dans la procession.
18:23Hey !
18:24Hey !
18:25It's me !
18:31Where are you going ?
18:33Wait !
18:38Don't leave without me !
18:42No !
18:43Don't go !
18:45Please !
18:46Don't go !
18:48And you are in Death Stranding too, person.
18:51I am Heart Man.
18:52And Heart Man is forever in Death Stranding.
19:00I think that...
19:01Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
19:03Okay.
19:04Can you tease us something ?
19:05Well, believe everything you read on the internet.
19:07Ah, okay.
19:08I'm sorry.
19:09I'm just going to tell you about something.
19:10Yeah.
19:11Yeah.
19:12Yeah, yeah.
19:13Yeah, yeah.
19:14Yeah, yeah.
19:15Yeah, yeah.
19:16I'm going to see a beautiful film.
19:17I'll see you in the next place.
19:18I'm going to see you in the next place.
19:20Bye.