Futuro Estado palestiniano: um lugar para as mulheres e que respeita a lei, afirma Varsen Shahin

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Futuro Estado palestiniano: um lugar para as mulheres e que respeita a lei, afirma Varsen Shahin  A ministra dos Negócios Estrangeiros da Palestina, Varsen Shahin, afirmou que qualquer futuro Estado palestiniano será pluralista e irá respeitar qualquer acordo sobre uma solução de dois Estados para Israel e a adesão ao direito internacional.  LEIA MAIS : http://pt.euronews.com/2025/07/24/futuro-estado-palestiniano-um-lugar-para-as-mulheres-e-que-respeita-a-lei-afirma-varsen-sh  Subscreva, euronews está disponível em 12 línguas.

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00:00Música

00:00My guest this week on the Europe Conversation

00:10is Palestinian Foreign Affairs Minister Varsan Shaheen

00:14She says she is shocked and disappointed

00:16at Europe's failure to act against Israel

00:19for its human rights breaches in Gaza and the West Bank

00:22Dr. Varsan Shaheen, Palestinian Minister for Foreign Affairs

00:28thank you very much for joining us on Euronews

00:30Salaam Alaikum

00:30Thank you very much and thank you for hosting me

00:33What was widely anticipated happened

00:35which is that EU member states decided not to take action against Israel

00:38for its war in Gaza and the situation in the West Bank

00:42many member states really can't agree to do that

00:44and it's obviously despite the fact that the EU has a report

00:47that said that Israel has breached EU human rights standards

00:52what is your response to that?

00:55Shocking and disappointing

00:56because everything is crystal clear

00:59I mean there's an EU report that clearly stated

01:04that Israel has been violating 38

01:0838 violations were indicated in that report

01:12and it's an EU report

01:13and the EU-Israel Association Agreement

01:18is also clear in its Article 2

01:21on anybody part of the agreement

01:25should be in compliance with international law

01:29and international humanitarian law

01:31and when an EU report says

01:34that there are 38 violations

01:36that should be taken very seriously

01:38and these violations have been unfolding

01:41in front of everybody's eyes

01:43the whole world has been seeing what is happening in Gaza

01:49the killing, the atrocities, the war crimes, the weaponization of food

01:55the killing of people queuing to get a pack of flour

02:01all of this is clear

02:04it doesn't need more assessment

02:07and yet there was a failure

02:11on agreeing to take actual measures

02:14I mean those member states would say

02:16that that's the point isn't it

02:18that actually it won't deter anything

02:19it won't help the situation on the ground

02:21for Palestinians

02:22and that it would close the contact with Israel

02:25yes but this line has been opened for so many years

02:28and the violations are continuing

02:30the time is now to say enough is enough

02:33and wrongdoing

02:35any perpetrator of wrongdoing

02:37should be held accountable

02:38no state is above the law

02:40what we hear from Israel is also that

02:43Hamas is taking aid

02:45from the mouths of Palestinian people in Gaza as well

02:48look there are conflicting reports on this

02:52but regardless whatever is being offered in Gaza

02:56is not meeting the needs of the Gazans

02:59there was a modality in the past

03:01and that modality was working

03:03because the international organizations

03:05were distributing the aid

03:08and they had like 300 points of distribution

03:11today we have a new modality

03:13with four points of distribution

03:15invariably you will have crowds

03:17massive numbers of people queuing to get food

03:21today aid is not receiving

03:23it's not received by the people

03:25and it's causing a lot of damage and deaths

03:27today there are more than 700 people

03:30who have lost their lives

03:31killed while queuing for food

03:34and this has to stop

03:35one of the points also made by the EU

03:37is that the reason they may not take action

03:40against Israel now

03:41is it's pending the materialization

03:43of this new agreement

03:44where the EU and Israel have agreed

03:47to substantially increase the amount of aid

03:50into Gaza reopening humanitarian routes

03:53in Egypt, Jordan and other areas

03:56and substantially make sure that people

03:58can get access to not just food

03:59but to medical items

04:00is that something that you're hopeful of?

04:03Well these are the requests by the EU

04:05and I hope the EU puts very strong

04:09scrutinizing measures on monitoring

04:12the compliance with the agreement

04:14because if we look at the last week

04:16since the agreement was made

04:19we see more killings of people

04:22we see people killed at the queuing points

04:26we see children brutally murdered

04:29while in tents awaiting medical care

04:32from another tent

04:34so these are the kinds of questions

04:36that need to be asked today

04:38and asked in a very serious manner

04:40and reports should not only come from Israel

04:43because Israel has denied entry of journalists

04:47has denied the work of a lot of the NGOs

04:51and is not allowing anybody

04:53to come up with anything that is credible

04:56Well speaking of influence

04:58your own president Mahmoud Abbas

05:00has called for Hamas to release the hostages

05:02immediately to give their weapons up

05:05to root out Hamas

05:06and to essentially say that

05:07in any future Palestinian state

05:09Hamas won't rule the Gaza Strip

05:12but I mean the Palestinian Authority

05:14isn't even involved in any of the negotiations

05:16at the moment

05:16it doesn't have any influence

05:19Yes, the Palestinian Authority is very relevant

05:21because the Palestinian Authority today

05:24functions in Gaza

05:25we have people in the health sector

05:28we have people in the education sector

05:30in water, in energy, in social services

05:32we have an operations room

05:34that has all the Palestinian ministries

05:36it has most of the international organizations

05:38that meets on a regular base

05:41and discusses issues in Gaza

05:43and meeting the demands and the needs in Gaza

05:45which we know are monumental

05:47and cannot be met

05:48by the Palestinian Authority alone

05:50so we are relevant

05:52I mean Hamas has ruled Gaza

05:55with an iron fist for nearly 20 years now

05:57so the Palestinian Authority

05:58hasn't had influence

06:00in the way that you're saying it has

06:01not from a cultural perspective

06:03or a political perspective

06:04I mean there's been so much violence

06:06against Palestinians by Hamas

06:08in the Gaza Strip

06:09and the PA haven't been able

06:10to influence anything there

06:12but not everybody in Gaza is Hamas

06:14of course

06:15I'm not saying that at all

06:16I'm just saying the way they rule Gaza

06:18yes

06:19but things will change

06:21and if people see a future

06:24that gives them some hope

06:26going into the future

06:28whereby they are respected as human beings

06:31things will fluctuate

06:33one other issue though

06:35I mean let's say we're getting to that

06:36is that there's always been complaints

06:38as far back as Yasser Arafat

06:39but also the Palestinian Authority

06:40the PLO

06:41that there's deep corruption

06:42and nepotism within that organisation

06:44and you talk to young Palestinians

06:46and they say the same thing

06:48okay we don't support Hamas

06:50but the alternative isn't going to lead us

06:53down a very strong path either

06:55how can you persuade

06:56in fact not just persuade people

06:58but how will you root out

06:59that level of corruption

07:00look corruption is everywhere

07:01I know but that's not an excuse

07:03it's not an excuse

07:04but corruption is everywhere

07:06and remember we are under occupation

07:08and occupation corrupts

07:11occupation corrupts

07:13well culture exists anyway

07:14funding from outside corrupts

07:16not being able to

07:18direct your organisations

07:22the way you want corrupts

07:24so there are so many variables

07:25in Palestine

07:26that lead towards that end

07:28that is not an excuse

07:30but today we have a reform

07:32and development agenda

07:33by this government

07:36in Palestine

07:37and we're working

07:38on all aspects

07:40to curtail corruption

07:42to decrease nepotism

07:45to ensure that

07:46our organisations are governed

07:48by rules and regulations

07:50applicable to all

07:51this takes time

07:52can you see any politician

07:54or political group

07:55in Israel

07:56that you could do business with

07:58to eventually have and create

07:59a Palestinian state

08:01I mean there's so much aggression

08:02and confrontation

08:03it looks so further apart

08:05than it's ever been really

08:06well to tell you

08:08I mean with this

08:09rightist government

08:10it's very difficult

08:11because if you hear

08:12what this government stands for

08:14what the ministers utter

08:15the incitement

08:17against the Palestinians

08:18and anything that is Palestinian

08:20it would be very difficult

08:21but that doesn't mean

08:23that we should give up

08:24we need

08:25the Israelis should create

08:27the body

08:28that can take them

08:30onwards

08:31and with the Trump administration

08:32I mean

08:33do you have any hope now

08:35well we keep the hope alive

08:37because we are two staters

08:39and we believe that

08:41that two state solution

08:43is the only viable solution

08:44because Israel will not accept

08:46to be a democratic state

08:48for all its citizens

08:49and we will not accept

08:51to continue living

08:52the status quo

08:52or an apartheid state

08:54a lot of the Arab countries

08:55in particular Egypt

08:56but also Saudi Arabia

08:58even Jordan

08:59although the king of Jordan

09:01has been very vocal

09:02in his opposition

09:03to what Israel is doing

09:04the other Arab countries

09:05have not been strenuously

09:06trying to support

09:08or push for international measures

09:09in support of Palestinians

09:11does that disappoint you?

09:13no

09:14because today

09:15the Arab support

09:16is more than ever

09:18but in Egypt it's not

09:19I mean

09:19the Egyptians are

09:20charging Palestinians

09:22an arm and a leg

09:23more money than they could

09:24ever afford

09:25to just simply leave

09:26the Gaza Strip

09:27and stay in Egypt

09:28for some safety

09:28you see those stories

09:30all the time

09:30no

09:31but if you look at

09:32what for example

09:33I'll give you one example

09:35when President Trump

09:37said about his intention

09:39to create the Riviera

09:40there was very quick response

09:43from all Arab states

09:44individually and collectively

09:46on the no displacement

09:47issue of Palestinians

09:48and today

09:50more than ever

09:50they are

09:51adamant

09:53on ensuring

09:54that normalisation

09:56will not happen

09:57unless there is

09:58a move

09:59towards a political path

10:01and that's important

10:02do you believe

10:03then someone like

10:04Mohammed bin Salman

10:05in Saudi Arabia

10:06and the Qataris

10:08and so on

10:08that they are actually

10:09actively

10:10behind the scenes

10:11at least

10:11pushing Trump

10:12to create a Palestinian

10:14a two-state solution

10:15or at least

10:16to stop the war

10:17in Gaza

10:17I mean do you have

10:18any information

10:19about that

10:19I think

10:20all countries

10:22are sending messages

10:24to the United States

10:26on the immediate

10:27ceasefire

10:28the entrance

10:30of humanitarian aid

10:33the unimpeded entrance

10:35the opening

10:36of the crossing

10:37the easing up

10:37on the Gaza Strip

10:38and the two-state solution

10:41I mean today

10:41Saudi Arabia

10:43is co-sponsoring

10:45this international conference

10:47so today

10:48Saudi Arabia

10:49is very vocal

10:52about no normalisation

10:53unless there is

10:54a political path

10:55and for us

10:56Saudi Arabia

10:56is a very important

10:58Arab country

10:58just before I let you go

10:59Dr. Shaheen

11:00in the future

11:01Palestinian state

11:02what does it look like

11:03to you

11:04obviously

11:05there would have

11:05to be Israeli

11:06guarantees

11:07security guarantees

11:08and so on

11:08is it a pluralistic society

11:11it would be

11:12a pluralistic society

11:13there would be

11:14a place for women

11:15I'm a woman

11:16and I'm a minister

11:17of foreign affairs

11:18and I'm Christian

11:19and I'm from

11:20Armenian origin

11:21where would you find that

11:23but you see it

11:25in Palestine

11:26so Palestine

11:28would be a place

11:29for everyone

11:30everyone that is

11:32peace loving

11:32everyone that respects

11:34international law

11:35everyone that respects

11:37any agreement

11:38signed

11:39by Palestine

11:40with its neighbours

11:41and everyone

11:42that believes

11:43that Palestinians

11:44deserve to live

11:45and deserve to be

11:46contributors to the world

11:48just like they have been

11:49Ok Dr. Farsan Shaheen

11:51Palestinian foreign affairs minister

11:52thank you very much

11:53for joining us

11:54on Euronews

11:54Thank you very much

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