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La trilogie Pusher de Nicolas Winding Refn, dans une version restaurée 4K, le 9 juillet au cinéma

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04:57Et j'aime l'extrême, donc j'ai pensé que je vais partir de l'autre à l'autre.
05:02Et je pense que j'ai travaillé dans la fantasy, ça a été beaucoup de fun.
05:06Donc j'ai décidé de faire Pusher 4 quelques années, mais comme un show de TV.
05:12Et ça s'est devenu Copenhagen Cowboy, qui est vraiment Pusher 4.
05:17Il y a des mêmes personnages et des mêmes mondes.
05:20Mais je n'étais plus intéressé dans la manière dont j'étais, parce que social media dominait cette narrative maintenant.
05:30Tout est accessible et la plupart du tout est réel, ou à l'est qu'il peut être très réel, capturé de moment à moment.
05:39Et ce sont plus efficaces, et je ne peux pas faire ça.
05:43Mais ce que je peux faire, c'est que je peux manipuler ça dans mon version.
05:47C'est fantasy, et c'est ça que j'ai été plus intéressé.
05:51J'ai perdu la peur de vivre dans le monde réel et de être plus excités par se passer dans le space théâtre,
06:02le space de l'unreality, comme un stage.
06:05Et donc, c'est comme l'évolution.
06:12Je pense que si les directeurs veulent revenir et changer leurs films,
06:16je me suis sûre qu'il y a une raison.
06:18Je n'ai pas besoin de faire, je n'ai jamais eu de créateur de l'unreur pour faire le film que je voulais faire.
06:25Donc, il n'y a rien à vraiment changer.
06:27Je me regarde donc, une fois que j'ai fait quelque chose,
06:30j'ai été ostracisé dans mon corps, il n'est plus en moi.
06:36Je dois continuer à faire quelque chose.
06:38C'est bon, c'est bon.
07:10Oh, absolutely. I mean, I'm starting from the beginning with doing everything in 4K and I'm doing all the restorations myself. So I'm doing, it's all coming from me. And you can buy them directly from me at buynwr.com. I'll sign your box set and send it off to you.
07:36I am, yeah, I'm a huge fan of 4K. Like I love 4K. I think 4K is like amazing because so many films can be rewatched with even better quality. And who doesn't want that? You know, so it's kind of like a new layer of the new normal for me. So I decided to do all my films in 4K, slowly rolling them out.
08:03I think cinema and television for that matter has had a very tough time in the last 10 years or so, 10, 15 years. Gaming, social media, VR canvases are exploding.
08:20And they're constantly evolving because technology is allowing them to evolve. Movies and television, TV is becoming more and more just content that you almost look at while you're doing other things.
08:33And movies are still that window of exclusivity of the collective experience. But I think that movies also needs to re-evaluate themselves.
08:44I remember when we were in Cannes for Only God Forgives and I, after everyone had been booing me for so long that during my stay, I did say, look, you can be angry with me and about my film.
08:58But I am from the future and I'm going to make something that's going to predict what it's going to be like if you want to make films in the future.
09:07And I was right because right after Only God Forgives, the industry changed because of Netflix. Netflix was the game changer.
09:16And it changed not so much what we're making, but it's how we experienced film and content, essentially, how we viewed it.
09:24And I think that to justify or for a movie to exist in longevity, you have to see what a film can become rather than what it used to be.
09:37Violence is like sex. It's all about the build-up.
09:40Bang, bang, and then it's to the other wall. Now make it dirty, unique, interesting, never seen before in violence.
09:46I'm not that strategic, but I will say that everything is an evolution of something.
09:58And there can be a tendency when something is liked that everyone wants the same same.
10:08But I don't necessarily think that's true.
10:09It's better to give them something else, or something different, or something that destroys your past in order to make something new, to transition.
10:20You know, obviously the two films are very different, but what ties them is myself and Ryan's interaction.
10:29However, I find that interesting.
10:31It's like taking something and turning it on its head.
10:34It's taking the ultimate superhero in one movie and emasculating him in the next.
10:39It's taking one movie that's very poppy and another movie that's very esoteric.
10:46And that, I think, is what makes the world interesting, is that things can become different.
10:53It can evolve into other components, rather than just always staying in the same repeat lane,
11:00because you very quickly run out of steam, in my opinion.
11:03I was very happy, but obviously, you know, a lot of harsh reactions and a lot of booing and screaming.
11:12But then I was like, that's kind of cool, because then you're like the sex pistols of cinema.
11:18You know, you're like the one everyone throws bottles at, but you can't deny it existence.
11:23You can't really criticize it, because I did it my way.
11:27The world will see it as it continues to evolve, and you just have to be, you have to just to be, trust yourself.
11:35So you never lose your vision when you have that strong reaction?
11:39No, on the contrary, you're like, it's like energy.
11:41It's like, just wait for the next one.
11:43I love that.
11:44I'm like you.
11:46I have no regrets about Only God Forgives.
11:48I think it's a masterpiece, and it is.
11:50I just didn't make it very expensive.
11:52Is there a doctor in the house?
11:54We need to get a medic in here.
11:58Is there a doctor around?
12:00When you were mentioning 2001, it says,
12:03you forgot to add Drive.
12:05We'll let that slip.
12:06We won't know about Drive for another 30 years.
12:1030 seconds.
12:10Whether it lives or dies.
12:12I'm talking about films.
12:152001 was made in 1968.
12:18I made this film about four years ago.
12:20Four years is a zip.
12:22It's not even a blip.
12:24It's not a pimple on the asshole of humanity.
12:28What was funny about talking to Billy Freakin was that he had a man who had struggled a lot in Hollywood.
12:36and started very successfully at a young age and then had gone into Sorceress and, you know,
12:45was still traumatized by that experience after so many years.
12:49And I think that was what was so sad in a way that it had such an effect on him.
12:54It was a little bit like Michael Cimino doing Heaven's Gate.
12:57These amazing films, both Sorceress and Heaven's Gate, are probably their best films.
13:04for some reason get so destroyed and then they lose sight of themselves or they lose their confidence
13:12and it affects all the other movies they make afterwards.
13:15And I was like, I'm never going to be like that because I'm right, you're wrong.
13:19I mean, I've done two shows, one with Amazon, one with Netflix, and I like what I was making, obviously,
13:30but I don't know how much I want to continue.
13:36I may want to take a break and go and make movies again.
13:41I've decided to do more visual arts, you know, and trying to find other areas of creativity.
13:50But I think it's time to go make a film again.
13:54You said you work on two shows, but you work on The Famous Five or something.
13:57So The Famous Five was a television show that I just, how do you say, executive produced
14:03or created, but I had no involvement in it.
14:07Otherwise, I just created the kind of concept and the story based on these very famous books.
14:12The Famous Five was more because my kids would read the books when they were young.
14:16I remember my mother reading me the books.
14:18So it was more like a past history thing that came up as an opportunity.
14:23Well, I mean, if anything, if something is interesting, you know, why not look at it?
14:31I've had some wonderful meetings in Hollywood, met wonderful people, but in the end, I like my freedom.
14:38That's all I really want, is just to be free.
14:41When you work in Hollywood, there is a contract.
14:44Some people love that and can work within that.
14:48It's maybe not so much my thing right now, but who knows?
14:51Maybe next year I'll do a big, you know, big superhero movie.
14:58That could be fun, maybe.
14:59I don't know.
15:00I'm pretty open to anything, but at the same time, at the end, you should just make what makes you happy.
15:05It's one thing having creative control, which is easier enough, but it's where all the money that's invested puts a burden on you.
15:16Because all that money has to get, you know, recouped.
15:19And then you have to make a certain type of movie.
15:21You don't have the freedom to do whatever you want, because you're a slave to the economics.
15:27If your film costs $200 million or $100 million, you need to make $300, $400 million to break even.
15:33That already puts a strain on what kind of movie can you make.
15:36And I don't want any conditions on me.
15:40At all.
15:42You have to be completely free.
15:43I mean, in the beginning, a lot of people were talking about another drive, but it was like, that would be the worst idea I've ever heard of.
15:55So never?
15:56Never.
15:57I've been very lucky to live a fun life, and it has nothing to do with fame.
16:14You realize very quickly.
16:16It has that I've had opportunities, and I've been able to work with people.
16:21I've met people, I've spoken with people, and it's all been a lot of fun.
16:27But I think when I started, the idea of being seen was very essential.
16:33The idea of fame, and fame being, it's like an opportunity.
16:38It's like a stage.
16:39One thing is becoming famous.
16:41The next, what are you going to do with it?
16:43And obviously, it's like anything, it's an opportunity.
16:47I don't have any love.
16:50You have to work all the time.
16:52I also want to work.
16:54I also want to work.
16:58We're going to be here in Bangkok for six months.
17:01Yang will make his next film, and I've said yes to the film process.
17:06It's new to be together with him, when he's filming.
17:09My daily life is, I have a routine.
17:23I wake up, I do two hours sports every day.
17:27Then I usually have lunch.
17:30Then I get yelled at by my kids.
17:32I work at night, and then try not to get to bed too late.
17:39And then Friday comes, and it's weekend, and you try to relax a little more,
17:45and the next day is Monday.
17:47You watch movies?
17:49I used to watch a lot of movies when I was a lot younger,
17:52but now it's just harder and harder.
17:54There's other things that I find interesting.
17:56Like what?
17:57Well, I did my first exhibition that just opened in Tokyo,
18:02and that's been a lot of fun to do that.
18:04A collaboration with Hideo Kojima?
18:06Yeah.
18:07Can you talk about that?
18:08Well, I created an exhibition that opened on Friday last week in Tokyo,
18:16where I built this installation between us.
18:20I saw my wife and my daughter in the procession.
18:24Hey, it's me!
18:25Where are you going?
18:33Wait!
18:38Don't live without me!
18:41No!
18:43Don't go!
18:45Please!
18:46Don't go!
18:48And you are in Death Stranding 2.
18:50I am Heart Man, and Heart Man is forever in Death Stranding.
19:00I think that don't believe everything you read on the internet.
19:03Okay.
19:04Can you tease us something?
19:06Well, believe everything you read on the internet.
19:08Ah, okay.
19:08You're going to see a good film.
19:38Don't go, but no.
19:39I'm not sure, but you're in the early 20th minute just comes into it.
19:41Yeah.
19:41There's a good film.
19:42I'm in the house.
19:43I'm not sure, and there's a funny film, but you should try the movie.
19:45It's nice art never been to the TV.
19:46Not the fantasy.
19:47Because you did that.
19:47But no reason why I was waiting for that movie.
19:48I have to be here for us now.
19:49I'll visit you at that story.
19:50Oh!
19:51Maybe there's a good movie.
19:52Facebookwii.
19:52大家好.
19:53I have to be here for you,
19:54and remember tonight's show.
19:55Wait for you!
19:56If you've got me and that will play the movie.
19:57This is a big trivia.
19:59Tell me a fun run.
20:00With you I have to be,
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