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The Real Housewives Of Orange County Season 19 Episode 2
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00:00I want to start over but you gotta stop the waters. This girl was attacking me on social
00:08media. I never called her. Well look now. I have zero service. Hi ladies. I'm here to escort you
00:15to the closing ceremony. You're gonna be walking on the labyrinth. What the is that? Wow look at
00:21this. As you walk this path state your intention. Read out what's in your way. I see only positive
00:29things in my life. Did you eat anything at school today? Maybe. Yes. No. Yes. Luke maybe has autism.
00:36I choose to continue on the healthiest path. I just don't need to be best friends with everybody.
00:43Just because I hugged Tamara doesn't negate all of the attacks. It's just amazing how she can throw
00:49friendships away like that. I am strong. How was I friends for so many years with Tamara and now I'm
00:55a target. Because I said how was that FBI doing? I'm bringing help and positivity. Saying those
01:02things about meeting a mother that's not okay. We don't all talk to all of these bloggers. But I
01:08was pissed. Yes we've all been there and I didn't retaliate by bringing somebody's kids into it.
01:15Is there anything you'd like to say in closing? Back to reality.
01:19How was the flight? I slept for literally the whole flight. We entered tomorrow. Oh crap. What? I went the wrong way.
01:36I was going to do mountain climbers sissy. Come on. Hi Diesel. You guys.
01:43Oh. Okay. That was good. Hello? I'm out girl. Come on. Wait. Do I got... What? I don't know where I am.
01:57It's okay. It's okay.
02:00Sienna. You ready to cook? Yeah. But the dogs went poo poo and pee pee. Why? At least he doesn't have
02:08diarrhea anymore. But we're not like setting the bar that high.
02:13Hi. Hi sweetie.
02:18Wait. Where do I go? This way. Right? Actually you keep going straight. Sorry.
02:24You're not gonna die.
02:26Hi. Welcome to the Shape Shop Studios. Oh. Pick a body roller. Okay. Hi. Hi. How are you?
02:48What do you make me do here? I don't know. We're rolling out. It's a full body lymphatic drainage
02:53massage. They're gonna get all the gummy bears out. I do. Can you squish all the gummy bears out of me?
02:59Hi. What the hell's going on in here? You get your own torture device right there. Okay.
03:05First you'll start with your feet just like her over there. Press. This is painful.
03:09Why does it hurt so bad? Yeah. It's breaking up the fat. My body's like oil can. This is Orange County and everyone is obsessed with wellness activities.
03:21What the f*** am I doing right now? Oh. I get out of this. So why not try whatever the f*** this is?
03:31Ah. This is my favorite position so far.
03:36And when you lean forward it really gets you. No. Don't anyone talk to me right now.
03:43How many people have had an orgasm in here? That's what I want to know.
03:46I feel like I need to call Shane. Hello. I would like to put this next to my bed.
03:51It doesn't leave In-N-Out laying around. It doesn't tell me what I did wrong that day. It's silent and amazing.
04:00Okay. We're ready for you guys back here. Hi. Nice to meet you. Can I introduce you in compression or red light therapy?
04:07Yes. Which one? All of it. All of it. That's okay? This is my problem area right here.
04:14Would you like heat and massage with it as well? Yeah. I'll be back in a few minutes. Okay. Thank you.
04:18Thank you. To be honest, I thought we were going to be doing this kind of stuff at the Golden Door.
04:25So did I. Kudos to you, Tamara, because I see that you're really trying with Shannon.
04:31I know that things have been distant between us, but I appreciate the invitation. I had a great time.
04:37Thank you. Thank you.
04:37You're not letting people activate you in the way that you were last year.
04:40Yeah. I was shocked by this, but do you believe that Katie did not talk to that blogger?
04:46No, f*** that. She did.
04:48This girl was attacking me on social media.
04:50She DM'd me first, but I never called her.
04:52But Shannon defending Katie, I got pissed off.
04:56I am uncomfortable when I see a bunch of people going after one person.
05:00She was trying to make it like it was a gang up.
05:02Yes.
05:03And I'm like, it wasn't a gang up.
05:04No.
05:04You were hurting everybody, and now we want to address it with you, and now you want to
05:09sit there and victimize yourself while you put yourself in that chair.
05:18Hi.
05:20Hi.
05:21I'm sorry. I just hit you in the chair.
05:22Here, here. Sit here.
05:23I've got a laser, so I have to wear a hat.
05:25What kind of laser did you get?
05:27I got a facial, then I got surmage, then I got Botox.
05:30Oh.
05:31Yeah.
05:32It's not fun to have things sag, so if there's a laser that's going to snap it up, I'm going
05:36to do it.
05:37But it's just neck up.
05:38There's no neck down until I'm in a relationship.
05:41I don't even know when the last time I had a bikini wax.
05:45I don't have a problem here, but it's gorgeous in Laguna.
05:47It is.
05:48I've never been to this bunch, but I have been around here before.
05:53How'd you think yesterday went? What'd you think?
05:55I just feel like after last year, there were a lot of things lingering, and that maybe
06:01we could resolve some of them, and I don't know that that happened.
06:04No.
06:04I really do appreciate that you stuck up for me.
06:07I felt like I was a little bit under attack, and I noticed you telling Jen, I heard you,
06:12she's shutting down.
06:12Well, yeah.
06:13And I did.
06:14Yeah, because you just feel this exhaustion, and it's like, what do I need to say to just
06:18end this?
06:18I do shut down a little, because I'm used to that, you know, like with me and my ex-husband.
06:24If I fought back a lot, it became worse.
06:28So a lot of times now, I'll just appease so that it doesn't become some level 10 thing,
06:32you know?
06:33I think it's just a trauma response, that if somebody's screaming, literally everything
06:39freezes up.
06:40And I know that I need to speak up and open up.
06:43And maybe if they got to know me a little bit more, they'd understand that about me.
06:47I just think that they're worried that you're calculated, or you plan what you're going to
06:52do or say.
06:52I wish I was that smart to play chess.
06:54I can barely play checkers, so there is no calculation on my part.
06:59I need her to admit shit.
07:01She has tried to coddle somebody that's going after me, spreading lies, and then she calls
07:07them?
07:07She said, I didn't call her, I DM'd her.
07:09Well, show me the DM that you DM'd her.
07:12Katie's like a silent assassin.
07:14Like, she's really sweet and nice to your face, and then she's like doing all this stuff
07:18behind everybody's back.
07:19If it's obviously not true, just prove it.
07:21She's guilty on every count.
07:23But I've apologized a hundred times.
07:25Like, I'm sorry if I handled that incorrectly.
07:28I don't know what to do.
07:29But I think sometimes the choice of words might not be the best.
07:33Like you just said, if I did something.
07:35That's like an apology, but.
07:37I know, but here's the thing, Shannon.
07:38What's the other thing, but?
07:39Okay, I am regretful of that.
07:42But why would I go to lengths to keep apologizing to somebody that won't listen or give me the
07:50space to even speak?
07:51I guess it boils down to, do you want to have relationships with any of the girls in this
07:56group?
07:56Yes, of course I do.
07:57You do.
07:58But I think it'll just take time.
07:59I don't think this is something that's like fixed overnight.
08:01How can you move forward?
08:03I want everything to be okay.
08:05It's important for me to have compassion for Katie right now, because I've been in her
08:10situation with multiple people coming at me.
08:13You cry every single night.
08:15If you get on a medication that even too well.
08:17I'm not going on medication.
08:18Keep talking about me, you guys.
08:20You look like you're in jail.
08:22Maybe I wish that when it had happened to me that someone would have come to me and
08:27said, I know how that feels.
08:29I need to apologize in a different way, obviously.
08:31But it's gone.
08:33Absolutely.
08:33I'm just trying to help you here.
08:35No, I know.
08:35And I appreciate it.
08:36I mean, of course I'm coming to your lunch.
08:38I'm sorry to verbalize it.
08:40I haven't really gotten to know everyone that well.
08:43And not everyone's gotten to know me.
08:45So I wanted to see if you guys wanted to join me for Hop Hop.
08:48Okay.
08:49To Olive Branch?
08:50Yes.
08:52Well, I'd just come pick you up.
08:53I'd make you come anyways.
08:54Wait, so are you guys going to the Get to Know Katie party?
08:58Yeah.
08:59You go to prove to yourself that, like, you're not going to let her get to you.
09:03Can you imagine the things that she's done that we don't know about?
09:06Well, here's the thing.
09:08Last year, Katie was filming Shannon.
09:11Having a full-blown meltdown at our gallery shoot.
09:15How?
09:16So they were sharing a dressing room.
09:18The gallery shoot is what happens at the end of the season.
09:22We do our promo pictures.
09:23Shannon came, like, two hours late.
09:25She's screaming and yelling.
09:27We all knew Shannon was having a bad day that day.
09:30Shannon comes in like this with 600 bags and her hair up here.
09:34And she's half asleep.
09:35And she's like, ah, yelling into the phone.
09:39Because that's what she does all the time.
09:42Shannon was pissed off that Alexis was there at the same time she was.
09:45And Shannon started screaming and cussing.
09:48Katie was on her phone with her husband.
09:51She hung up without even saying anything to him and just started pushing record and showed it to Alexis.
09:57Oh, she showed it to her.
10:00They were in an active lawsuit.
10:02Right.
10:03She showed it to somebody who could have taken that and harmed her legally with it.
10:09John and Alexis were making accusations that they had videos of Shannon
10:13where she was displaying behavior that was not the best.
10:18Do I need to pull out the videos?
10:19Johnny's ready to talk.
10:20Videos of what?
10:21It will ruin her life.
10:22He has videos of her at the night of her DUI.
10:25So the last thing you want is someone videotaping you and sending it to the person that you're in a lawsuit with.
10:31What is Shannon going to do?
10:32I don't know.
10:33And is that something I tell her?
10:34The actual content is going to get bogged down and that you're trying to ruin their relationship.
10:41All right.
10:41We'll see you.
10:42All right.
10:42We'll see how the hot pocket goes.
10:45Our hot pot.
10:46Hot pocket sounds good.
10:48Shannon is really sticking up for Katie.
10:51Shannon needs to know.
10:52And maybe it's not really my responsibility to carry that.
10:55But I brought Katie into this group and now she's done such horrible things to everybody here.
11:02And I feel guilty about that.
11:04I've had enough of it.
11:10Coming up.
11:12Do you think she didn't contact my daughter?
11:14She commented on it.
11:16It's not the same thing.
11:17No, it's not.
11:18Oh, okay, Yvonne.
11:19Why does it smell like this?
11:29Did something die in here?
11:30Stop it.
11:31It smells so bad.
11:34Give me that pineapple juice.
11:35I can't smell.
11:38No.
11:39Is that it?
11:41No.
11:42That doesn't smell good, though.
11:44Oh, my God.
11:45You were supposed to eat this before December 2024.
11:49I'm trying to lose weight.
11:51You want to sit down?
11:53You've lost weight, Sophie.
11:55Thanks.
11:55It's the walking.
11:56You're a New Yorker.
11:57Not yet.
11:58After 10 years, you're a New Yorker.
12:00Oh, is that the rule?
12:01It's the rule.
12:02Oh, good to know.
12:03I'm just so proud of her.
12:04She graduated from Baylor University last year.
12:07Has an incredible job working in sports.
12:10She works out every single day.
12:11She's, like, eating healthy.
12:13I love that she has excitement and adventure ahead.
12:17It's almost like I'm living through Sophie.
12:20So, um, the Love Hotel comes out soon.
12:23Are you excited?
12:24I am.
12:24What's the aftermath of it?
12:26Because I made so many male friends on the show, like, if I have an event or something to go to,
12:32I've asked a few of them, will you go on a date?
12:34I hadn't gone on a date for a year, so I made myself vulnerable.
12:41In the end, Earl and I did try and date for a couple months, but we are not meant to be together.
12:46And it affected me more than I wanted to give it credit for because I tried again in it, and it didn't work.
12:55Do you want a date?
12:56I don't know.
12:57I mean, you know, there's, like, a couple guys that I know kissed them.
13:00The just kissing?
13:01You know, a couple guys took my face, gave me a kiss for, like, a minute, and then bye-bye.
13:07Okay, first of all, of the four people that I have kissed in the last six months, I did not initiate one of them.
13:14And I'm not a kissing bandit, but I do like a kiss, if it's good.
13:20Do you want to do a dating app?
13:21Well, I don't know what people's intention would be.
13:24You know, I already have gone out with a private person who wanted nothing more than to be famous,
13:28so I'm not going to go down that road again.
13:31Yeah.
13:31I clearly know what the red flags are, but they just seem to be waving every single time I meet a man.
13:36So I'm just good being single right now.
13:39Who's your ideal guy?
13:40None of them.
13:42Oh.
13:43Archie, get in here.
13:45Come on.
13:46Get in here.
13:47Archie.
13:47Come here, young man.
13:49What are you doing?
13:49He sees the mail truck and starts parking.
13:52Do you guys hang out a lot?
13:53You and Archie?
13:54Oh, I thought you meant me and the mail person.
13:56No.
13:57So that's your new man.
14:00He's the mailman.
14:00Ow.
14:09Yes?
14:10Shane.
14:12At least you didn't drive away while I was trying to get in.
14:14That's what you usually do.
14:16Oh, it's a little hot.
14:17I know.
14:18Open the vent if you're hot.
14:19I don't know how this car works.
14:20Well, pick it up.
14:21Complicated.
14:21Stop talking to me like that.
14:22What do you mean it's complicated?
14:24It's an vent.
14:25It's been in the car for 50 years.
14:27You open it and you close it.
14:30So how'd it go?
14:31I did mention to the therapist, Luke has declined over the last week or so.
14:37Mm-hmm.
14:38Because I took him to the movies the other night.
14:40So I order him the french fries, then he turns the flashlight on, on my cell phone, and he
14:46picks up each french fry and he inspects it.
14:48Yeah.
14:49And then I told her we reached out to an autism specialist and that he is going to do the
14:55intensive testing.
14:56Mm-hmm.
14:57And I mentioned to you before that I thought maybe he was autistic.
15:02It is a daily struggle.
15:04I have no idea what I'm doing.
15:06I don't know if he should be in a different school.
15:08I don't know if he should be in special classes.
15:10I don't, I don't, I don't know anything.
15:12I don't know what to do.
15:14I have to have meetings with his teachers.
15:17I have to have, I, I, I.
15:21As a mother, these, this decline breaks my heart.
15:25Yeah.
15:25I don't know why you keep saying as a mother.
15:27I mean, I'm a parent too.
15:28I don't know what the difference is.
15:28Because I feel like it's easy for you to just be like, it's just an isolated event.
15:32He'll be fine.
15:32No, I know.
15:33I can't just say he's declining for the rest of his life.
15:35Well, I told her about how a couple of weeks ago he said he didn't want to go to school.
15:40And then I physically had to dress him myself.
15:42I had to take his pajamas off.
15:43I had to put a shirt on.
15:44I had to put his pants on.
15:45I had to hold his mouth open.
15:47Right.
15:48And brush his teeth for him.
15:50You got to remember it happened once.
15:53This morning it was fine.
15:54I think my approach is a little bit more try to make it like it's normal for Luke.
15:59And it's, it's nothing that stands out or makes him lesser than or feel inferior.
16:03But Emily just wants to flip a switch and fix it.
16:06And I know it doesn't work that way.
16:07Shane is a good man and he's a good dad.
16:10But I have this son that's in crisis.
16:12And it's like, we're not even on the same page.
16:14And I just feel like, I feel alone in that.
16:18You know, label it what you want.
16:20We're going to get more information about how he operates.
16:22And then we're going to be able to improve his daily living that way.
16:27Yeah.
16:29Coming up.
16:30Last year she recorded you at the gallery shoot and then sent the video to Alexis.
16:34Wait, what?
16:35Ryan, where's the soda water?
16:45It's in the fridge.
16:46Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:49Hi.
16:51Come on, crew.
16:53Great, how are you?
16:54Good, good.
16:55Thanks for coming.
16:56Margaritas and Malibu rum.
16:57This could go all right.
16:58Would you like to place a bet on anything?
17:01Just before we get started?
17:02Just stop.
17:03Last year, Matt was a little hesitant to get to know Ryan because of all the allegations
17:07surrounding the FBI.
17:08I've spent the last three hours hiding out by the tray.
17:12It seems so salacious.
17:14But now, having gotten to know Ryan, there's nothing to hate about him.
17:17Tacos, tequilas, and good friends.
17:19Cheers.
17:20I love that.
17:20Cheers.
17:21I'm having us over.
17:22Yum.
17:23So it's a beef nut pastry?
17:25Yes, please.
17:26Thank you very much.
17:27Call crew, honey.
17:28Crew.
17:29Come here, baby.
17:29Come on.
17:30I'm so cute.
17:30Matt, I'm sure Katie told you about the golden.
17:33But it was another just on Katie.
17:36On Katie.
17:36Who are these people that they think they can sit in a moral tower of judgment?
17:41It's loud.
17:58Hello.
17:58Hello.
17:59Hello.
18:00Are you doing construction again?
18:02I had a little oopsie in my kitchen.
18:04Overflowed the sink.
18:05Oh, my God.
18:06That's what happened?
18:07Okay.
18:07Well, I come bearing champs and onion.
18:11Do we have any plates or anything?
18:12Because I don't know if I can get any.
18:13No.
18:13Let's go dirty.
18:14Okay.
18:15Okay.
18:17Don't stain my table, douchebag.
18:19Oh, my God.
18:19This is so funny.
18:20I'm going to use the douchebag coaster.
18:22Okay.
18:23Use the douchebag.
18:23Oh, oh, oh, oh.
18:25Not good.
18:25Not good.
18:26Not good.
18:26Don't stain the wood.
18:27Douchebag.
18:28Get a towel.
18:29Woo!
18:29And he's going to be mad.
18:32I'm the douchebag.
18:32Come here.
18:34Last year, it was espresso martinis.
18:36Now, it's this.
18:38Oh, no!
18:40It's going to be fine.
18:43Oh, my God.
18:44I haven't been this skinny since my fitness competition,
18:47but, of course, I had more muscle then.
18:49Skinny flab.
18:50That's why I brought you food.
18:51I know when you're stressed, you get skinny.
18:52That's all I've ever wanted.
18:53That's a lot in your mouth.
18:54Is to say, it's a lot in your mouth.
18:56That's what she said.
18:57Yep.
18:59So, anyways, I hung out with Gretchen the other night.
19:01Oh, God.
19:02Oh, my God, we match.
19:03Oh, my God, that's so cute.
19:04I have the same dress.
19:06I die.
19:07You know, we were laughing a little bit about stuff we all used to do.
19:11I met Gretchen the same time I met Tamra Judge.
19:14Hi.
19:15Hi.
19:15You doing good?
19:16Hi.
19:16Hi, Annie.
19:17Good to see you.
19:18It's cut to 14 years later, and we have seen each other socially a lot.
19:23I think she's really fun.
19:24Does she have a nose?
19:26Yes.
19:26Oh, because the pictures on my Instagram, she has no, it's like blurred.
19:30I'm telling you, she looks great.
19:31Well, that's Katie's new friend.
19:33So, I'm wondering how that's going to all work out.
19:39Ta-da.
19:40Bet you never thought you'd see me again, but here I am in all my glory.
19:45Hello.
19:45There's a lot going on in here.
19:48It's been 11 years since I've been sitting in this chair, and I would say I look like I've
19:53been frozen in time, right?
19:55And no plastic surgery.
19:57Not even these suckers.
19:58Hi.
19:58You look gorgeous.
19:59Hi, bro.
20:00Great to see you.
20:01You look great.
20:01Hi, you.
20:02Hi, Sarah.
20:02Good to see you.
20:03Oh, my gosh.
20:04The house is so cool.
20:05Thank you very much.
20:06I love it.
20:07Here, you guys sit.
20:08You want my seating or what, buddy?
20:10You guys, cheers to us getting to get her.
20:13I love this.
20:14I met Gretchen when I was going through so much with Tamra.
20:17I slid into Gretchen's DMs.
20:19I think all I had to say was Tamra SOS, and I got a call right away.
20:23Every new housewife always reaches out to me and asks me how to deal with Tamra, and
20:27I legitimately tell them to run, like go the opposite direction.
20:32I could be making so much money if I started charging for the advice.
20:37What's a guy like you doing in a place like this?
20:40Between cats and dogs and children, how many things are there in this family?
20:45Four dogs.
20:45A lot.
20:46Two cats and seven kids.
20:47Cheers to us.
20:48Cheers.
20:48Did you tell Jen you're going to get chickens?
20:51Oh, my gosh.
20:51Every day.
20:52Skylar, she has them at school, so every day she's like, mom, can we get a chicken?
20:55Yeah.
20:56She takes them to the park.
20:57You should see what?
20:57They give them a slide together.
20:58They call her the chicken whisperer because she gets the chicken and walks around with it.
21:01No way.
21:02I feel like it was just yesterday.
21:04We had a daughter, Skylar Gray, who's five and a half.
21:06She's just a wild daredevil.
21:08She's already on, like, a dirt bike.
21:11I am legitimately scared when she turns a teenager.
21:14Are you going to get a chicken?
21:15Well, we're going to build the chicken coop in the back.
21:18No way.
21:19Slade and I never got married, but we are more in love than we were 16 years ago.
21:23We are, who is it?
21:25Curt and Goldie Hawn.
21:26The irony of so many of these women claiming it was a fake relationship is most of those
21:32women have gotten divorced since then.
21:34I just think the elaborate engagement was done for TV.
21:39Did she just pull this out of her hat?
21:42Last year, she didn't want to marry him.
21:45Karma's a bitch, ain't it?
21:46I haven't seen you guys in a minute.
21:48What's going on with you guys?
21:50I saw Tamara, and we didn't have any words.
21:52No.
21:52Except for...
21:53Well, one.
21:54We had one word.
21:55I think there's more of us that sit at this table who should listen and not go so low.
21:59Oh, bring it on, Jen.
22:01They were just coming at Katie for, like, you're unsafe.
22:05You're coming after our families.
22:06You're coming after...
22:07I'm dangerous.
22:07You're dangerous.
22:08Which makes zero sense.
22:10Exactly right.
22:11It's so frustrating that Katie is being held to a different standard.
22:15Honestly, it comes down to the fact that none of these girls are afraid of Katie, and
22:19they're all afraid of Tamara.
22:20She will tell lies.
22:22She spends truth.
22:23It's bullsh**.
22:25I mean, the kids are going to be very mad.
22:26Oh, rightfully so.
22:27How are you feeling about seeing Tamara at my lunch?
22:29Is she coming?
22:30Mm-hmm.
22:31Honestly, I don't really care to have a friendship with this woman.
22:34I mean, she said horrible things about me.
22:36If you're a gold digger, you're a gold digger.
22:38If you walk like a duck, you're a duck.
22:39As a man, you should always take care of your kid.
22:42Slade Slimy.
22:43Pay your child support.
22:45You've seen your kid ten times in one year, you piece of s**t.
22:48They just made up lies.
22:49Yeah.
22:50So you're talking about Captain Evil.
22:51Captain Evil.
22:52Exactly.
22:53Yeah.
22:53It's time to move forward.
22:55Gretchen, you...
22:56Like, the whole thing.
22:57I think the problem is Jen.
22:59She's reaching out to people that don't like me because she's super insecure.
23:04When I met Jen, what I didn't know is the years prior, she bought a house two doors down
23:10from where me and Simon lived.
23:12Then she started going to Dr. Ambe.
23:13Then she went to the hair salon where I went and had my old hair extensions put in her head.
23:19Oh, my goodness.
23:21What's next?
23:22Let me guess.
23:23You and Ryan are going to start doing fitness videos together.
23:30She wanted the life that I had.
23:32And she got it.
23:34Okay.
23:34This is her when I met her.
23:36She didn't look that different.
23:37Oh, come on.
23:39Her lips look like hot dogs now.
23:40Yeah, but that's okay.
23:41Well, I have a full body one.
23:43She was heavy.
23:47Oh, yeah.
23:47She's totally different.
23:48Totally different.
23:50But good for her.
23:51Yeah.
23:53I don't know if Jen's trying to become Tamara.
23:57I mean, I would think there's far more interesting people to emulate.
24:00I mean, hello.
24:01Moi.
24:01I know Gretchen told me she was going to go hang out with Jen and Katie today.
24:07The three stooges.
24:10This is fantastic.
24:12Is it to smack that ass?
24:14Damn right it is, Matt.
24:16I'll have a to-go box for this.
24:18This is amazing.
24:19Dear Heavenly Father, bless this food.
24:21In Jesus' name we pray.
24:21Amen.
24:22Amen.
24:24Jen, where do you stand with Tamara?
24:25Like, do you think there's a thing, a way forward with her?
24:28I just, it's like I see.
24:29I see too much.
24:30Yeah.
24:30But can I support my friend who has a healthy, somewhat relationship with her?
24:35For sure.
24:36I hope you have a different experience than I did.
24:38I get sent messages about the stuff that she's saying about me on the podcast.
24:42That's the part that pisses me off.
24:43Right, right.
24:44Two years ago, Slade's son, Grayson, passed away from brain cancer.
24:48And there was articles calling Slade a deadbeat dad.
24:50And here she is on a podcast saying whatever the hell she wants.
24:54This is not shocking to me.
24:55Michelle is having to go through a GoFundMe to pay for his services.
24:59Slade has never been a deadbeat dad.
25:01He just lost his son.
25:03Like, if you can't have a soul in that moment, you don't have a soul.
25:08Sorry.
25:08Heather said, you need to have some grace on Tamara right now because she's going through a lot because of what Teddy's going through.
25:14And I said, both the people in our lives have passed from cancer.
25:19My late fiance and his son.
25:21But where was my grace during that time?
25:23She has her things, how she feels.
25:26But does she remember contacting my daughter?
25:30Sydney posted something about me.
25:33And Gretchen started communicating with her.
25:37That is one of the lowest, most disgusting things you can do.
25:42Involve somebody's child.
25:44When I joined this group, you guys were friends.
25:47Yeah.
25:47And what would be cool is if you could put some shit aside and just have a little fun.
25:52Well, we'll see.
25:53But you want to dwell on 12 years ago.
25:56I ain't doing it.
25:57I hear from rumblings in town that she's trying to be a new person and she's all of a sudden going to therapy.
26:02I hope to God she changes.
26:04I really do.
26:05But she is a known liar and manipulator.
26:08Facts.
26:08It's like, when does it stop?
26:23Do you want to come to Hot Pocket?
26:26It's Hot Pot.
26:27I would prefer a Hot Pocket.
26:28Those are good.
26:29I would prefer a Hot Pocket.
26:30Yeah.
26:34I'm going to Hot Pot.
26:36That would be fun.
26:37I think she's the reason that I've got problems.
26:41Because she really hurt my best friends.
26:43I can't keep my mouth shut.
26:44Did you just learn this?
26:47I've learned a lot about myself the last couple years, okay?
26:54So wait, who's going?
26:55Hold on to your Facetune, girls.
26:57Here comes Gretchen.
26:59So what if she comes back and she wants to make things right?
27:03I'll match her energy.
27:04If she wants to apologize, I'll apologize.
27:06People change, right?
27:07There's always this looming feeling of Tamra.
27:16Do you think you talk today?
27:17Do you think you're saying something?
27:18There's actually this Bible verse.
27:19There's like my favorite Bible verse.
27:21The Lord will fight for you.
27:22You need only to be still.
27:23Hi.
27:41Hi.
27:42It's so crowded.
27:43I know.
27:45I know.
27:45sorry no you're good because i have to go to the bathroom all the time so i need like an end seat
27:50okay i mean i guess i could have sat there but i felt like sit that in
27:54they'll come in this way so that's actually easier right see
27:57yeah it i took one i don't that's what i did too
28:04oh hi hi hi i actually love this yeah it's like hi
28:12hi how are you good sophie is home oh that's nice she has a bachelorette party she has a friend
28:28getting married yes but sophie broke up with her boyfriend what reese was part of our family but
28:33sophie decided she wanted to live her life and never wonder what it would have been like had she
28:40been a single girl in new york city she says i'm going to focus on my career this is the time
28:44when i'm supposed to go out and have adventures yeah and live life she's a smart girl yeah i did
28:49sake if you guys want some sure why not cheers thank you for inviting me cheers i'm like cheers
28:55cheers who are we missing jen and gretchen oh right wait wait i thought
28:59up.
29:05Super cute.
29:06Hi everyone.
29:09Hi.
29:14I might need a drink.
29:15Hi Tamara.
29:17Hi, how are you?
29:18Let me reintroduce myself.
29:20I am Tamara Judge.
29:21Nice to meet you Tamara.
29:22Nice to meet you.
29:23I'm Gretchen Roxy.
29:24It's been a while.
29:25It's been a while.
29:26You look cute.
29:27How long exactly?
29:28For years maybe?
29:29I think so.
29:30I don't know.
29:31This definitely feels like a Tamara tactic.
29:32Pretend like everything's great.
29:33Make everybody laugh.
29:34La la la.
29:35Right before she strikes.
29:37So what have you been up to?
29:39Well, I mean, just like, just with Slade and being a mom.
29:42I actually met Gretchen at my 40th birthday party.
29:45Yeah, I remember that.
29:46We had so much fun then.
29:47Yeah.
29:48Really?
29:49My friendship with Tamara did suffer when I was friendly with Gretchen because I did
29:55not know there was a beef between the two of them.
29:57I think the last time we chatted was right when I was turning 40.
30:02I think I've seen Gretchen once since then.
30:04She's part of the I Hate Tamara club.
30:07We've worked through it, but I'm not making that mistake again.
30:10Cheers.
30:11This one dropped a whole glass of champagne in my bedroom.
30:15Was Eddie sad?
30:18What did you drop now?
30:20Was it your champagne?
30:21It's okay.
30:22Jesus.
30:23I am not used to eating in the bed.
30:24He's like, did you spill something on my side of the bed?
30:27And I go, Heather did.
30:28Heather.
30:29Heather's all.
30:30Heather.
30:31Oopsies.
30:32What is this?
30:33It's rough.
30:34And there's three different flavors.
30:35They have like noodles and mushrooms.
30:37And then it cooks it.
30:38And then you pull it out and you eat it in your own little bowl.
30:41Oh, yeah.
30:42Excited to try something new.
30:43We all have to go get, there's like a bar of choices back there.
30:45Oh, it's fascinating.
30:46Do we all get up at the same time?
30:48I think we should let them go.
30:50Okay.
30:51Can I just ask you?
30:52Was that awkward?
30:53Yeah.
30:54Yeah, but it's okay.
30:55It was good to break the ice.
30:56I thought that was good.
30:57So anything you grab from here, you put it in your bra.
30:59And, oh, Jen, there's a ball combination.
31:01We need to give Gina the ball combination.
31:03Those aren't big enough.
31:04Oh, my God.
31:05Travis's balls are enormous.
31:06They're actually in my purse.
31:07That's why everybody just thinks he has this ball,
31:09that these balls are enormous.
31:11Gina, there is a ball combination.
31:15Oh, great.
31:16Well, I don't do tiny balls.
31:18I know.
31:19I appreciate y'all coming.
31:21I want to start fresh, because I think a lot of things happened last year that I'm regretful
31:25for, and I want it to just be better.
31:28So thank you for coming.
31:29Thank you for having us.
31:30Thank you for having us.
31:31I do appreciate the fact that you say you have regret, because now everything that you
31:35do, I'm questioning it.
31:37Okay.
31:38This thing between you and Tamara, this blogger.
31:40Well, she came to my house and explained everything to me.
31:44Oh, so what happened there?
31:45She owned up to it.
31:46I called her on Instagram.
31:48I'm looking through my DMs, and I called her.
31:52She said, Tamara's threatening to sue me.
31:54And I said, this is not good.
31:56You've got to take that post down.
31:57You know?
31:58So I apologize.
31:59Thank you for being honest with me.
32:00So it is upsetting to me, because it's like you don't even remember an entire conversation
32:07with this person that created a huge problem here, right?
32:10How does that even happen?
32:12And then it upsets me.
32:13In all honesty, at the Golden Door, you are totally making it like we're like ganging up or something on Katie.
32:20We're just trying to get to the bottom of all of this.
32:23It's not about the subject matter that you were talking about.
32:26It's about every single person at a table going after one person.
32:29That's not right.
32:30You're making it like we're bullying her and we're not.
32:32She's done things to all of us, including you.
32:35Tamara just told me that last year she recorded you at the gallery shoot and then sent the video to Alexis.
32:40Wait, what?
32:41So this is what I'm talking about.
32:42No one was yelling.
32:43There is no video that I recorded of Shannon.
32:45This is coming from Tamara.
32:46Tamara just told me that last year she recorded you at the gallery shoot and then sent the video to Alexis.
33:00Wait, what?
33:01So this is what I'm talking about.
33:02What?
33:03There is no video that I recorded of Shannon.
33:05This is coming from Tamara.
33:07You actually told me you did.
33:09Me, Alexis, and Katie were coming back from a Mother's Day lunch.
33:13We happened to talk about Shannon being nasty to people and Katie brought it up.
33:18She told me the whole story.
33:19Alexis had already heard it and it was just kind of left there.
33:22Never thought about it again until recently.
33:25Evidently, you're on the phone with somebody.
33:27I was on the phone with my two business partners having a meeting.
33:29You came in and you were screaming and I recorded on a voice note and sent it to Matt.
33:34Katie, you would speak to Alexis about me being upset when I'm in active litigation with her fiancé?
33:42Are you kidding me?
33:45Katie was sitting right next to me in Sonoma seeing how distraught I was.
33:50He has ring cameras that have videos.
33:53On the night of my DUI?
33:55She came up and been working so hard on myself and is he like trying to take me down.
34:02Now she's recording me?
34:04No one has listened to that but my husband.
34:06Then why would Alexis know about it?
34:07We've discussed it with Alexis.
34:09We?
34:10We sat at that great thing.
34:13Well, she forgot.
34:14Alexis said you played it for both of them.
34:16Yeah.
34:17I've never heard this.
34:18She has never heard it.
34:19I'm not joking when I tell you.
34:20The only person that has heard that is Matt.
34:21I have never heard whatever it is.
34:22But you knew about it.
34:23I did not know about this.
34:24She just said you were there.
34:25I don't know why Katie's doing this.
34:27It's just not fair.
34:28And really, I wish my friend would just start answering for herself.
34:32What was your reason of doing a new bit?
34:34We were talking to an investor.
34:36I was upset that I had to jump off of the call.
34:38I was telling Matt.
34:39I was like, this is what's going on right now.
34:40No, you weren't calling Matt to say this is going on.
34:43You're going to say, you can listen verbatim.
34:45It's proof to the fact that Shannon's upset.
34:47Yeah.
34:48That wasn't.
34:49Honestly, at the time, I was pissed.
34:51It was supposed to be a fun day for all of us.
34:54And instead, we got to hear Shannon yelling.
34:56Shannon, I'm sorry.
34:58How did you know again?
34:59Tamara told me.
35:00Tamara, oh my gosh.
35:02Of course, Tamara is always holding the information to use to her benefit.
35:06And that's the part that I feel like makes it feel shady.
35:09So, but Tamara, when you talked to Alexis, why did that even get brought up?
35:13Because obviously, Alexis and Shannon don't get along.
35:16And she said, like, I heard that she was freaking out at the green screen.
35:20Her name is the restroom.
35:21Sorry.
35:22I can't wait.
35:23But here's the problem is, who do you believe?
35:25Alexis or you?
35:26And at this point, it's like.
35:27You see how we struggle with it though.
35:29You okay?
35:30I'm floored.
35:31Do you understand what it feels like to have someone video me when I don't remember what
35:36I said?
35:37It's unconscionable.
35:38I've been there.
35:39We're not trying to hurt you.
35:41So there's no need to try and hurt us in that way.
35:45I did some and I regret doing it.
35:48You know what I miss the most?
35:50Talking and laughing and hanging out with Gina.
35:51I know.
35:52Okay.
35:53Well, I'm happy.
35:54Thank you for saying that.
35:55You know what, Katie?
35:56That is why I hold on to this.
35:57Because I genuinely liked you.
35:58I regret a lot of things for last year.
36:00I thought it was an eat or be eaten situation.
36:02And now I look at it a lot different.
36:04I am sorry, both of you, that I hurt you.
36:07I truly am.
36:08I do believe that, Katie.
36:13We've never had the opportunity to actually have this conversation.
36:17You know?
36:18And I'm sorry too.
36:19I did.
36:20I said Katie a lot.
36:21It's okay.
36:22A lot of times.
36:23I've reached my limit and I'm sorry.
36:25But the best thing for me to do is remove yourself?
36:28Yeah.
36:29Okay.
36:30Because I'm starting to process.
36:31Yeah.
36:32I appreciate seeing all of you.
36:33So thank you.
36:35I gave Katie a gift.
36:37Giving her advice to get to a different place with the women in this group.
36:41And this is what she does to me.
36:43It is pure evil betrayal.
36:45We said we were all moving forward.
36:48It very much feels like we're holding her ass over the fire right now.
36:51Jen, Katie has done things that nobody at this table has done.
36:55She gave information about my kids to a blogger.
36:58I did not give them information.
37:00Yeah.
37:01Jammer did that to me too.
37:02We have been told she's busy out trying to leak stories to blogs.
37:06Wow.
37:07Everyone has done things that other people agree are not okay.
37:11It's time to move on.
37:12I don't talk about you.
37:13Okay.
37:14I don't.
37:15Okay.
37:16Even just a few years ago, you were still talking about me and Slade on the podcast.
37:20So that's the problem.
37:21What did we say?
37:22Saying that Slade was a piece of s**t.
37:23That's what you said.
37:24There wasn't anything negative about you.
37:26Yeah, it was.
37:27She said for years that Slade was a deadbeat dad too.
37:29Was he?
37:30No.
37:31He's never been a deadbeat dad.
37:32Never.
37:33Okay.
37:34What's one of the first things that comes up on Google?
37:37So yeah, I hold a lot of resentment and frustration.
37:41Why is she still concerned whether Slade's a deadbeat dad or not?
37:45It's been 15 years.
37:46Who are you trying to convince, Gretchen?
37:48Yourself or the public?
37:50Yeah.
37:51You have been the one that's been proven to be a liar multiple times.
37:54What did I lie about?
37:55Oh, you were sued for being lied.
37:57And you almost got sued again by Ryan.
37:59No, I misspoke and I'd apologize for that.
38:01A lot of this pain that some of us have all felt, it was hard.
38:05There's like a lot of pain.
38:06There's a lot.
38:07Wait, you're going to roll your eyes at that?
38:09Did you think that she's crystal clean?
38:11Do you think she didn't contact my daughter?
38:14I did not contact your daughter.
38:16Yes, you did.
38:17No, I didn't.
38:18Tamara.
38:19She commented on it.
38:20No, it's not.
38:22It's not the same thing.
38:24Oh, okay, Yvonne.
38:25I did not contact your daughter.
38:26Yes, you did.
38:27No, I didn't.
38:28Tamara.
38:29She commented on it.
38:30Is that the same thing?
38:31No, it's not.
38:32Yes, it is.
38:33It's not the same thing.
38:34Oh, okay, Yvonne.
38:35You really want to play this game?
38:36Because it's not the same thing.
38:50I made a comment on a public Facebook post that your daughter made.
38:54No, my ex-husband made that post.
38:56Oh, okay, because that's what you always do.
38:58You always blame it on somebody else.
39:00Your daughter even came out after you said that and said,
39:03my mom is lying, this is my account, I made the post.
39:06No, that's not true.
39:07Well, that's what she did.
39:08Okay.
39:09And I have all the proof of it.
39:10So you can spin your little lies and do all of your manipulation like you always do.
39:13You are the liar beyond liar.
39:17You feel like you want to take accountability for any of this.
39:21You want her to take all this accountability.
39:23I will take accountability for whatever I've done.
39:25I think the problem with Tamara and Gretchen is that they're both so intensely going after each other all the time.
39:33They can't see their own part in the feud.
39:36I thought that we can move forward.
39:38What made you think that we could just move forward?
39:40Okay, then we can't.
39:41No, I didn't say we couldn't.
39:42I just say, why do you just think that?
39:44Why do you do that?
39:45Why is that your go-to reaction?
39:47This bitch has gone after me for years.
39:4912 years, you've been going after me.
39:51I've gone after you?
39:5212 years.
39:53You have a track record, Tamara.
39:55It's the same old Tamara.
39:56It's the same, same pony and song dance.
39:59What's it called?
40:00Same old dog and hungry show.
40:02Same dog and pony show.
40:03There you go.
40:05I knew there was a bitch involved.
40:07You need to talk.
40:10It seems like there's a lot of hurt on both sides.
40:14And maybe there's a way to move forward.
40:17You've been hurt.
40:18I've been hurt.
40:19And I don't want to continue to go forward like this.
40:23It's just about having accountability for the things that happen.
40:25Absolutely.
40:26Yeah, on both sides.
40:27And I'm fine with that.
40:28But that's where I think you and I need to talk.
40:30Because I think that you and I have a disagreement about where we feel like that level is.
40:36And I agree with that.
40:38But you can't, like, hold on to that shit.
40:41It, like, kills you.
40:43Therapy has taught me that you don't always have to be right.
40:46Gretchen can say whatever she wants to say about me.
40:49It doesn't affect my life.
40:50Because you know what?
40:51I'm the only person that can affect my life.
40:54I think it's great that the two of you are talking.
40:56So maybe you can continue this.
40:58Yeah.
40:59All right.
41:00I'm very open to it.
41:01I've often thought about just calling you and go,
41:03Okay, enough is enough.
41:04Like, we need to stop this.
41:06But it's up to you.
41:10I don't think that Tamara's ever going to really have true friendships until she can actually recognize what she's done to harm people.
41:19And until I feel like I get that from her, I don't really know if I want to move on.
41:25Katie, that was interesting.
41:26Thanks for having us.
41:27It was really great.
41:28I feel full.
41:29I got hard boiled eggs for the ride home.
41:32Shut up.
41:33Did you put an egg in your purse?
41:38I'm going to eat that egg on the way home.
41:40Oh, I thought it was a hard boiled egg.
41:44What are you doing?
41:46Emily.
41:47That was in your...
41:48Emily?
41:49Oh no.
41:50She had that .
41:51You did not.
41:52I thought it was a hard boiled egg.
41:54No, you boil it, Emily.
41:55You crack it in the soup.
41:56I thought it was a hard boiled egg.
41:57Oh my God.
42:01Next on The Real Housewives of Lawrence County.
42:02This is Adam.
42:03Isn't this date one?
42:04And you already have a personalized shirt?
42:05I'm having a birthday party and I'm just going to invite everyone...
42:06Then you're choosing Tamara.
42:07Because that woman caused so much pain.
42:08Why do you lower yourself?
42:09No, no, no.
42:10That's bullshit.
42:11Shannon and Katie have a thing going over there.
42:12I'm hoping that it's not going to be bad.
42:13You are the most evil person.
42:14Oh, it's going to be bad.
42:15Worse than Alexis Bellino.
42:16That's bad.
42:17We're done.
42:18We're done.
42:19You are the most evil person.
42:20Oh, it's going to be bad.
42:21Worse than Alexis Bellino.
42:22That's bad.
42:23We're done.
42:24You are the most evil person.
42:25Oh, it's going to be bad.
42:26Worse than Alexis Bellino.
42:27That's bad.
42:28We're done.
42:29We're done.
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