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At today's House Homeland Security Committee hearing, Rep. Dan Goldman (D-NY) said that President Trump's Truth post was "an admission" of being in the Jeffrey Epstein files, followed by a breakdown in the hearing.
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00:00The gentleman yields. Mr. Goldman is recognized for questioning.
00:04Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Here we are again. La La Land and Homeland Security Committee conducting oversight of the president and his administration.
00:13Great, because there are many, many things that Congress should be conducting oversight over this administration.
00:21Donald Trump campaigned on finding convicted criminals who are unlawfully here in this country and deporting them.
00:27The worst of the worst, he said. Instead, he and his unidentified, masked, secret ICE agents are snatching and arresting immigrants from court proceedings, nonviolent, non-criminal immigrants, pursuing legal pathways to immigrate to this country, and then illegally detaining them in horrific conditions, and even possibly deporting them despite the fact that they are here legally.
00:54You would think the committee, with jurisdiction over the Department of Homeland Security, would want to conduct oversight over the department's refusal to allow members of Congress to observe the conditions of DHS detention facilities.
01:14In fact, there is a specific statute that authorizes both Republicans and Democrats to conduct oversight over facilities that house or detain immigrants.
01:29But no, the department refuses.
01:31So we're here in the Homeland Security Committee, and I'm sure the Republican majority does not like it when this administration undermines its own authority, its own statutory authority, to conduct oversight.
01:45But no, instead of all of that, we are here talking yet again about Joe Biden.
01:52Newsflash! Joe Biden is not the president.
01:55He hasn't been the president for seven months.
01:58So if we are going to conduct oversight here, why are we doing it about the Biden administration when this administration is literally detaining lawful permanent residents and even some U.S. citizens?
02:15And it gets worse.
02:16It's not just those masked ICE agents.
02:19There are many FBI agents who are being called away from their duties to investigate terrorism, violent gangs, child trafficking, and other crimes in order to help ICE arrest and detain immigrants with legal asylum claims, nonviolent.
02:36That makes our homeland less safe, not more safe.
02:42So we should hear from FBI Director Cash Fatal about how many of his criminal investigators are being taken away from their criminal investigatory jobs, keeping Americans safe in order to help round up non-criminal immigrants trying to immigrate the right way.
03:01Some of these detainees are being held in prison detention centers that are unfit for convicted criminals to stay in.
03:12We should hear from Pam Bondi about how much of the department's resources are being used to detain these nonviolent, non-criminal immigration detainees.
03:24And while they're here, we can ask them about a very pressing question.
03:31What's going on with the Epstein files?
03:34Donald Trump promised to release them.
03:37Pam Bondi said she had the files on her desk and that she was going to release them in the name of transparency.
03:44Cash Fatal has spent years railing against the FBI to release the files.
03:50Many of my Republican colleagues were banging on the table to release the Epstein files.
03:57But now, all of a sudden, after a month's long review, Bondi and Patel say nothing to see here.
04:03No evidence that any American would want to see about accomplices, co-conspirators, or other peoples involved.
04:12Yesterday, the Republicans voted against releasing the files.
04:17So what's changed?
04:18Well, we all know Donald Trump has had a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
04:23He flew on his plane, he hung out in parties, spoke highly of him.
04:28And now there are many people saying that Donald Trump is included in the Epstein files.
04:34In fact, there are reporters who say that there are videos of him with topless women.
04:39Elon Musk even confirmed that Trump is blocking the release of these files because he's in them.
04:45Pam Bondi says there's nothing there.
04:48But Donald Trump even acknowledges that there is evidence there.
04:52It's just not credible.
04:55It's made up.
04:58This is a true social post from 943 this morning.
05:01It is an admission that Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.
05:07And the American people deserve to know whether he is or not.
05:11Mr. Garbarino is recognized for five minutes for questioning.
05:12Mr. Chairman, I would, pursuant to Clause 2K6 of Rule 11.
05:15Gentlemen, do not recognize your time is expired.
05:17I have a motion.
05:18Mr. Garbarino is recognized for questioning.
05:21Mr. Chairman, I have a motion.
05:22Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
05:22The gentleman has a motion.
05:24Pursuant to Clause 2K6 of Rule 11, I move that the committee's independent body of the
05:29Chair of the United States Act of Health to the right of the title of your own designation.
05:34Mr. Chairman, motion to table.
05:36Gentleman has a motion.
05:38Motion to table.
05:39Motion to table is privileged and non-debatable.
05:44We shall ask all those in favor of the motion to table.
05:50Say aye.
05:50Aye.
05:51All those opposed.
05:53No.
05:54In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it, and the motion to table is agreed to.
06:01Grab a recorded vote, please.
06:03Recorded vote is requested.
06:05The clerk shall call the roll.
06:15Mr. Green of Tennessee.
06:18Mr. McCall.
06:22Mr. Higgins.
06:23Aye.
06:24Mr. Higgins votes aye.
06:27Mr. Jimenez.
06:30Mr. Jimenez votes aye.
06:33Mr. Pflueger.
06:34Mr. Pflueger votes aye.
06:37Mr. Garbarino.
06:38Aye.
06:39Mr. Garbarino votes aye.
06:41Ms. Green.
06:43Mr. Gonzalez.
06:45Aye.
06:46Mr. Gonzalez votes aye.
06:48Mr. Luttrell.
06:51Mr. Strong.
06:52Aye.
06:53Mr. Strong votes aye.
06:55Mr. Burkine.
06:56Aye.
06:57Mr. Burkine votes aye.
06:59Mr. Crane.
07:01Mr. Crane votes aye.
07:03Mr. Ogles.
07:05Aye.
07:05Mr. Ogles votes aye.
07:08Mrs. Biggs.
07:10Mr. Evans.
07:12Aye.
07:13Mr. Evans votes aye.
07:14Mr. McKenzie.
07:15Mr. McKenzie.
07:18Mr. Knott.
07:20Aye.
07:21Mr. Knott votes aye.
07:23Mr. Knott votes aye.
07:24Mr. Thompson votes no.
07:26Mr. Swalwell.
07:30Mr. Swalwell votes no.
07:33Mr. Correa.
07:34Mr. Tanadar.
07:37Mr. Tanadar votes no.
07:40Mr. Magaziner.
07:42Mr. Goldman.
07:46Mr. Goldman votes no.
07:49Mr. Ramirez.
07:51No.
07:51Mr. Ramirez votes no.
07:54Mr. Kennedy.
07:55No.
07:56Mr. Kennedy votes no.
07:59Mrs. McIver.
08:00No.
08:01Mrs. McIver votes no.
08:04Ms. Johnson.
08:05No.
08:06Ms. Johnson votes no.
08:09Mr. Hernandez.
08:10No.
08:11Mr. Hernandez votes no.
08:13Ms. Poe.
08:14No.
08:15Ms. Poe votes no.
08:17Mr. Carter.
08:18No.
08:19Mr. Carter votes no.
08:21Mr. Green of Texas.
08:22Mr. Green of Texas votes no.
08:28Mr. Correa is not recorded.
08:36Mr. Correa votes no.
08:38Mr. Correa votes no.
08:43Chairman Guest is not recorded.
08:47Chairman Guest votes aye.
08:50Any other member not recorded.
08:56Mrs. Biggs votes aye.
08:58As a gentleman.
09:09Mr. Chairman, what are we waiting for?
09:39I'm sorry, sir.
09:41What are we waiting for?
09:42We're waiting for all members to complete voting, sir.
09:46We have all members who have completed votes, Mr. Chairman.
09:52I'm sorry, sir.
09:53We'd like to call the question and have the vote tallied.
09:57All members who are present have voted.
09:59Your request is heard and denied.
10:03We're waiting for members to return to the chamber to vote.
10:06Mr. Chairman.
10:07Yes, Mr. Rankin, member.
10:09We went through this once, but that's not in the rule.
10:15It's kind of you to have that opinion, Mr. Rankin, member, but I'm the chairman.
10:19We're going to wait until members return to the vote.
10:22You guys are pushing a button on these procedural votes.
10:26It's not on the agenda.
10:27It was not discussed prior to this hearing.
10:29We're going to give all members of both sides ample time to return to the chamber and cast
10:35a vote.
10:36It's the end of that debate.
10:37Mr. Chairman.
10:39For the record, the committee didn't even give notice of this hearing.
10:43What are you talking about engaging?
10:45I'm quite certain that the committee is within the parameters of the rules of the House and
10:50the committee, Mr. Rankin.
10:52Remember, you've been on the committee longer than most of us have been.
10:56And that's why I'm trying to explain the rules to you.
10:58I'm pretty sure you know the rules.
11:00We're following the rules.
11:02Which rule are you following, Mr. Chairman?
11:05You're the attorney, sir.
11:07You can look up the rules.
11:08I can tell you that I have high confidence that this committee, the staff of this committee
11:13is following every rule and the parameters shall be continued.
11:18We will wait for members to return to the chambers.
11:21This happens all the time.
11:23This is not new.
11:24This happens in every committee.
11:26When procedural votes are called, members have excused themselves after their questioning
11:32to handle our business.
11:34They have to return to the chamber.
11:36We'll allow that for the Democrats.
11:37We'll allow it for the Republicans.
11:39That's fair.
11:41Mr. Chairman, we've never asked to wait on a vote.
11:45Well, did anyone tell you to ask, Mr. Rankin Member?
11:49It is not the rules of the committee.
11:52It's not the rules of the committee.
11:55Okay, well, you're welcome to have that opinion.
11:57But I state again that the committee is operating within the parameters of the rules of the House
12:03and the committee.
12:05I have the gavel.
12:05By the elementary inquiry, Mr. Chairman.
12:07I have the gavel, and I have the right to keep the vote open until members have returned from across campus to cast an important vote.
12:17This is not new.
12:19It's historically accurate and traditional in Congress.
12:23That's not true, Mr. Chairman.
12:24It's never done in this committee, and other committees have specific rules that allow for the chairman to do this.
12:30This committee does not have that rule.
12:32We are simply asking if it is, if you are doing this pursuant to the rules of the House or the committee,
12:38that you simply point us to the rule that allows you to do this.
12:42Because if you are now ruling as chairman without the authority of the rules, we have a whole different issue.
12:50Mr. Chairman, point of order.
12:52Point of order.
12:53This committee existed before the gentleman from New York was a member of Congress.
12:56I was in the minority back here in 2021, and some of my colleagues did.
13:00And the ranking member, who was chairman at that time, repeatedly held votes open when they were not for members to return here to vote.
13:09Not because they were, for one way or another, but for members to get back on procedural motions.
13:13I've experienced it when I was in the member of minority.
13:16Members were allowed ample time to return from unscheduled votes in this committee.
13:24The gentleman yields, and the gentleman is correct.
13:27The gentleman from New York, since you referenced.
13:30Is the ranking member asking to be recognized?
13:33Well, I was, listen, that's not true.
13:36When did that happen?
13:37The ranking member is not recognized.
13:40Does Ms. MacGyver wish to be recognized?
13:42No, I'm still, I'm still talking.
13:44You haven't been recognized.
13:45You recognized me.
13:46Would you like, I did not.
13:47You did.
13:48You want me to recognize you now?
13:51You recognize now?
13:52Obviously, I was talking to you already, Mr. Garbarino, because I had been recognized.
13:58Yeah.
13:58But that's not true.
14:00That is actually not true, what you said.
14:03That is, I don't recall the date, but I recall it happening.
14:08I recall votes being held open.
14:10So, because whether there were other votes or other committees, there was procedural motions.
14:16Because there were also markups where votes were held open or sometimes delayed.
14:20I have to claim my time.
14:21Look, all this is just delaying until somebody gets here.
14:25And, Mr. Chairman, the rules are the rules.
14:28And for you to try to make them up as you go, that's not how you do it.
14:34Mr. Chairman.
14:35Mr. Chairman.
14:35Mr. Chairman.
14:35Mr. Chairman, Yale.
14:37How am I recorded?
14:42Mr. Magaziner has not been recorded.
14:44I ask to be recorded as a no.
14:45Mr. Magaziner votes no.
14:51Mr. Chairman, while we wait, can I introduce a UC request?
14:55The gentleman has a unanimous consent request.
14:58You recognize?
14:59I would move to introduce a true social post from Donald Trump from 943 a.m.
15:07railing against...
15:08Mr. Chairman, we're in the middle of a vote.
15:10I don't think you can entertain a UC request.
15:15I'm advised, although I'm quite generous with recognizing my colleagues across the aisle
15:23here, it's contrary to specifically to the rules for you to introduce unanimous consent.
15:29Will the gentleman let us close this vote out?
15:32We're happy to recognize it.
15:33Of course.
15:33I'm happy to reintroduce it.
15:34Thank you, sir.
15:34Mr. Chairman.
15:35Trying to be polite.
15:36Mr. Chairman.
15:39Given that there seem to be some attendance issues, at least on the Republican side, I move
15:44that the committee do now adjourn.
15:47There's an open vote right now.
15:49You're welcome to make a motion to adjourn after we close this vote.
15:53Mr. Chairman.
15:54Point of order.
15:54A motion to adjourn is the highest privilege.
15:58I'm not doing an open vote.
16:00It would supersede the open vote.
16:01Motion to adjourn.
16:03If you continue with your motion and enter your motion after we close this vote, then the
16:09chair will entertain that.
16:10But parliamentary inquiry...
16:11Right now?
16:11Can I make a...
16:12This vote is open.
16:13It's going to remain open until members...
16:14Chairman, can I ask a question?
16:15...have been allowed to return.
16:17Parliamentary inquiry.
16:18My understanding is that a motion to adjourn is the highest privilege and has to be acted
16:23on even if there is another open vote.
16:33Particularly a vote that's not being properly closed.
16:36With concurrence, which is reflective of my understanding, I respect Mr. Magaziner's position,
16:44and it is privileged, but cannot be entertained during an open vote.
16:49And this is an open vote.
16:50So if you would like to enter a motion to adjourn, good sir, we will certainly entertain that once
16:57we've closed this vote.
16:58Mr. Chairman.
17:01The madam is recognized.
17:04Request a tally...
17:05Gentleman is recognized.
17:07Request a tally of the vote as it stands at the moment.
17:11Yeah, the chair will request a tally at conclusion of the vote when we close the vote.
17:39Green from Texas, Mr. Chairman.
17:41May I be recognized?
17:46Of course.
17:47My friend from Texas is recognized.
17:49Thank you, my friend.
17:51Is it in order to make a motion to close the vote?
17:56I don't believe that a motion to close the vote is in order or required.
18:01We, the chair, is keeping the vote open until members from either side of the aisle return
18:08to the chamber for this unscheduled procedural vote.
18:12May I consider this a ruling of the chair?
18:14You can't challenge the ruling of the chair on a motion that's not recognized during an open vote.
18:24So if you continue with you, if you would like to submit a motion to adjourn, I would suggest you follow the rules there as well.
18:33But you'll have to wait until this vote is closed.
18:36Good, sir.
18:37What I would like to do is, as we have done with other motions, is appeal the ruling of the chair.
18:46You're welcome to appeal the ruling of the chair if it's within the parameters of the rule, but that appeal will not be entertained during an open vote.
18:58Mr. Chairman, you have made a decision by keeping the vote open.
19:07That is, in effect, a ruling.
19:10And Mr. Green is appealing that decision you've made.
19:15Yeah.
19:16We're not going to entertain a motion or an appeal while the vote is open, Mr. Ranking Member.
19:25You know that.
19:26Well, I know it, but it's not the rules.
19:29We've always, and ladies and gentlemen, I understand your position.
19:35I understand you're making a stance in the Homeland Security Committee.
19:41We're just making a stance for you to follow the rules.
19:44Historically and traditionally, this committee and every committee I've served on has kept votes open when you have an unscheduled procedural vote
19:54to allow members to return to the chamber and cast a vote.
19:58Mr. Chairman.
19:59This happens if we're in the majority or you're in the majority.
20:02It's ideologically, you know, appropriate from either perspective to allow your members to return to the chamber.
20:12And it's certainly the historical and traditional means by which we deal with unscheduled procedural votes.
20:21Mr. Chairman.
20:25Who was that, please?
20:26Mr. Bresheen.
20:30Yeah.
20:30The point of order, or parliamentary inquiry, I would put it to you, but I would put it to the Democrat opposition also,
20:37is I would love for someone to point out where the rules say that you as chairman of a committee do not have the discretion over this matter.
20:50The accusation that the rules are being violated, but yet where is it in the rules that does not give the chairman the allowance or the discretion to make this decision?
21:01Mr. Bresheen yields.
21:05Clerk, how is Mr. McKenzie recorded?
21:07Mr. McKenzie has not yet been rejected.
21:10Aye.
21:11Mr. McKenzie votes aye.
21:19Wait a minute, one more.
21:20Okay.
21:37Clerk, how is Mr. McKenzie?
21:40Mr. McKenzie, Mr. McKenzie has not been recorded.
21:44I vote aye.
21:45Mr. McKenzie votes aye.
21:52Clerk will record a tally.
21:56Mr. Chairman, on that vote, there were 15 ayes and 14 noes.
22:00The motion of the table has succeeded and the chair recognizes Mr. Magaziner for questioning.
22:12You have a motion, I'm sorry.
22:14Mr. Magaziner, you have a motion?
22:17No, I'll proceed with my...
22:19The gentleman withdraws his intention.
22:24Mr. Garbarino.
22:30Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
22:31Thank you for the witnesses for being here.
22:34I'm sorry that you're experiencing this.
22:36This is...
22:36This is...
22:36This is...
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