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La trilogie Pusher de Nicolas Winding Refn, dans une version restaurée 4K, le 9 juillet au cinéma

FilmsActu X Nicolas Winding Refn (Interview)
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04:46et en utilisant la fairy tale
04:48comme le complètement opposite.
04:51C'est comme le coin.
04:53C'est comme un ying et un yang.
04:54Vous avez un documentaire et vous avez un fantasie.
04:57Et j'aime l'extrême,
04:59donc je suis allé de l'un à l'autre.
05:02Et je pense que travailler dans la fantasy
05:04a été beaucoup de fun.
05:06Donc j'ai décidé de faire
05:08PUSH IT 4 un peu d'années
05:10mais comme un show de TV.
05:12Et ça s'est devenu Copenhagen Cowboy,
05:14qui est vraiment PUSH IT 4.
05:16Il y a des mêmes personnages
05:19et des mêmes worlds.
05:20Mais je n'étais plus intéressé
05:24dans la manière dont je l'étais.
05:25Parce que social media
05:27dominates that narrative now.
05:30Tout est accessible.
05:33Et most of it est real.
05:35Or at least some can be very real.
05:38Captured at the moment-to-moment.
05:40Et those are far more...
05:41It's very effective.
05:42And I can't do that.
05:43But what I can do
05:44is I can manipulate it
05:46into my own version.
05:48That's fantasy.
05:49And that I became
05:50more interested in.
05:51I lost the lust
05:53for living in the real world
05:55and being more excited
05:57about stepping into
05:59the theatrical space.
06:02The space of unreality.
06:04Like a stage.
06:05And so therefore
06:06it's like the evolution.
06:08you know.
06:09What do you think
06:11would you think
06:12do you think
06:13that if directors
06:14want to go back
06:15and change their films
06:16I mean I'm sure
06:16there's a reason.
06:18I don't have a need to do.
06:20I've never
06:20not have creative freedom
06:23to make the film
06:24I wanted to make.
06:25So there's nothing
06:26to really change.
06:27I kind of look ahead.
06:29So once I've done
06:30with something
06:30it's been ostracized
06:32of my body.
06:33I'm no longer...
06:34It's no longer in me.
06:35I have to kind of
06:36move on to something else.
06:38There's something
06:39inside you
06:41It's hard to explain
06:46They're talking about you
06:51boy
06:52But you're still the same
06:56There's something
07:00inside you
07:02It's hard to explain
07:07They're talking about you
07:12boy
07:13But you're still the same
07:17Oh absolutely.
07:19I mean I'm starting
07:20from the beginning
07:21with doing everything
07:22in 4K
07:23and I'm doing
07:23all the restorations
07:24myself.
07:25So I'm doing
07:25it's all coming
07:27from me
07:27and you can buy
07:29them directly
07:29from me
07:30at bynwr.com
07:32I'll sign
07:33your box set
07:34and send it off
07:36to you
07:36I am
07:37Yeah I'm a huge
07:38fan of 4K
07:40Like I love 4K
07:42I think 4K
07:43is like
07:43amazing
07:45because so many
07:46films
07:46can be rewatched
07:49with even better
07:50quality
07:50and who doesn't
07:52want that
07:53you know
07:53So it's kind of
07:54like a new layer
07:56of the new normal
07:57for me
07:58so I decided
07:59to do all my films
08:00in 4K
08:01slowly rolling
08:02them out
08:03you know
08:03I think cinema
08:08and television
08:09for that matter
08:10has had
08:11a very tough
08:12time
08:12in the last
08:1310 years
08:14or so
08:1410-15 years
08:15Gaming
08:16social media
08:17VR
08:18canvases
08:19are exploding
08:20and they're
08:21constantly evolving
08:22because technology
08:23is allowing them
08:24to evolve
08:24Movies and television
08:26TV is becoming
08:28more and more
08:28just content
08:30that you almost
08:31look at
08:31while you're doing
08:32other things
08:33and movies
08:34are still
08:35that window
08:35of exclusivity
08:37of the collective
08:38experience
08:39but I think
08:40that movies
08:41also need
08:42to re-evaluate
08:44themselves
08:44I remember
08:45when we were
08:45in Cannes
08:46for Only God
08:47Forgives
08:47and I
08:48after everyone
08:49had been booing me
08:50for so long
08:51that during
08:52that might stay
08:53I did say
08:55look
08:55you can be angry
08:57with me
08:57and about
08:57my film
08:58but I am
08:59from the future
09:01and I'm going
09:01to make something
09:02that's going
09:03to predict
09:03what it's going
09:04to be like
09:05if you want
09:05to make films
09:06in the future
09:07and I was right
09:09because right
09:10after Only God
09:11Forgives
09:11the industry
09:12changed
09:12because of Netflix
09:13Netflix was
09:14the game changer
09:15and it changed
09:17not so much
09:18what we're making
09:18but it's how
09:19we experienced
09:20film
09:22and content
09:22essentially
09:23how we viewed it
09:24and I think
09:25that to justify
09:26or for a movie
09:27to exist
09:28in longevity
09:29you have to
09:30see what a film
09:32can become
09:33rather than
09:33what it used to be
09:34Violence is like sex
09:38it's all about
09:40the build up
09:40Bang, bang
09:41and then it's
09:42to the other wall
09:43now make it dirty
09:44unique, interesting
09:45never seen before
09:46in violence
09:46I'm not that
09:51strategic
09:52but I will say
09:53that
09:54everything is
09:55an evolution
09:56of something
09:57and
09:58there can be
10:00a tendency
10:00when something
10:02is liked
10:03that
10:03everyone
10:05wants the same
10:07same
10:07but I don't
10:08necessarily think
10:09that's true
10:09it's better to
10:10give them something
10:11else
10:12or something
10:12different
10:13or something
10:14that destroys
10:15your past
10:16in order to
10:17make
10:17something new
10:19to transition
10:20you know
10:20obviously
10:21the two films
10:22are very different
10:23but what ties them
10:24is
10:25myself
10:26and Ryan's
10:27interaction
10:28however I find
10:30that interesting
10:30it's like
10:31taking something
10:32and turning it
10:33on its head
10:34it's taking
10:34the ultimate
10:35superhero
10:36in one movie
10:37and emasculating
10:38him in the next
10:39it's taking
10:40one movie
10:41that's very poppy
10:42and another movie
10:43that's very
10:44esoteric
10:45and that
10:46I think
10:47is
10:48what makes
10:49the world
10:49interesting
10:50is that
10:50things can
10:51become
10:51different
10:52it can
10:53evolve
10:53into other
10:54components
10:55rather than
10:56just always
10:57staying in
10:58the same
10:58repeat
10:59lane
10:59because
11:00you very
11:00quickly
11:01run out
11:01of steam
11:02in my opinion
11:03I was
11:03very happy
11:05but obviously
11:06you know
11:07a lot of
11:08harsh reactions
11:09and a lot
11:11of booing
11:11and screaming
11:12but then
11:12I was like
11:13that's kind
11:14of cool
11:15because
11:15then you're
11:16like
11:16sex pistols
11:17of cinema
11:18you know
11:18you're like
11:19the one
11:19everyone throws
11:20bottles at
11:21but
11:21you can't
11:22deny it
11:23existence
11:23you can't
11:24really
11:24criticize it
11:25because
11:26I did it
11:26my way
11:27the world
11:28will see it
11:29as it
11:29continues
11:30to evolve
11:31and
11:31you just
11:32have to be
11:33you have to
11:33just to be
11:34trust yourself
11:35so you never
11:36lose your vision
11:36when you have
11:37that strong
11:38reaction
11:38no on the
11:39contrary
11:39you're like
11:40it's like
11:41energy
11:41it's like
11:42just wait
11:42for the next
11:43one
11:43I love that
11:44I'm like you
11:45I have no
11:46regrets
11:47about only
11:47God forgives
11:48I think it's
11:48a masterpiece
11:49and it is
11:49I just didn't
11:51make it
11:51very expensive
11:52is there a doctor
11:53in the house
11:53we need to
11:55get a medic
11:56in here
11:57is there
11:58is there a doctor
11:59around
11:59when you were
12:00mentioning
12:012001
12:02you forgot
12:03to add drive
12:04we'll let that
12:05slip
12:06we won't know
12:07about drive
12:08for another
12:0830 years
12:0930 seconds
12:10whether it
12:11lives or
12:12dies
12:12I'm talking
12:13about films
12:132001
12:15was made
12:16in 1968
12:17I made this
12:19film about
12:194 years ago
12:204 years is a zip
12:21it's not even
12:23a blip
12:23it's not a
12:24pimple
12:25on the
12:26asshole
12:27of humanity
12:28what was funny
12:29about talking
12:30to Billy
12:30Freakin
12:30was that
12:31he had a
12:33man who
12:33had struggled
12:34a lot
12:34in Hollywood
12:35and
12:36started
12:38very successfully
12:39at a young
12:40age
12:40and then
12:42gone into
12:42Sorceress
12:43and
12:44you know
12:45was still
12:46traumatized
12:47by that
12:47experience
12:48after so
12:48many years
12:49and I think
12:50that was
12:50what was so
12:51sad
12:51in a way
12:52that it
12:53had such
12:53an effect
12:54on him
12:54it's a little
12:55bit like
12:55Michael Cimino
12:56doing Heaven's Gate
12:57these amazing
12:59films
12:59both Sorceress
13:01and Heaven's Gate
13:02are probably
13:03their best films
13:04for some reason
13:05get so destroyed
13:07and then they
13:08lose sight of
13:10themselves
13:10or they lose
13:11their confidence
13:12and it affects
13:12all the other
13:13movies they make
13:14afterwards
13:14and I was like
13:16I'm never going to
13:16be like that
13:17because I'm right
13:19you're wrong
13:19I mean I've
13:24done two shows
13:26one with Amazon
13:27one with Netflix
13:27and I like
13:29what I was making
13:30obviously
13:30but I
13:31I don't know
13:32how
13:32how
13:34much I want
13:35to continue
13:36I may want
13:37to take a break
13:38and
13:38go and make
13:40movies again
13:41I've decided
13:42to do more
13:42visual arts
13:44you know
13:45and trying
13:46to find
13:48other areas
13:49of creativity
13:50but I think
13:51it's time
13:52to go make
13:53a film again
13:53you said
13:54you work on
13:54two shows
13:55but you work
13:55on The Famous Five
13:56or something
13:57The Famous Five
13:58was a television show
14:00that I just
14:01how do you say
14:02executive produced
14:03or created
14:04but I had no
14:05involvement in it
14:06otherwise
14:07I just created
14:08the kind of
14:08concept
14:09and the story
14:10based on these
14:11very famous books
14:12The Famous Five
14:13was more because
14:13my kids would
14:14read the books
14:15when they were young
14:16I remember my mother
14:17reading me the books
14:18so it was more like
14:19a past history thing
14:21that came up
14:22as an opportunity
14:23Well I mean
14:28if anything
14:28if something is interesting
14:29you know
14:30why not look at it
14:31I've had some
14:31wonderful meetings
14:32in Hollywood
14:33met wonderful people
14:35but in the end
14:36I like my freedom
14:37that's all I really want
14:39is just to be free
14:40when you work
14:41in Hollywood
14:42there is a
14:43contract
14:44some people love
14:45that and can work
14:46within that
14:47it's maybe not
14:49so much my thing
14:50right now
14:51but who knows
14:51maybe next year
14:52I'll do a big
14:53you know
14:55big superhero movie
14:56that could be fun
14:59maybe
14:59I don't know
14:59I'm pretty open
15:00to anything
15:01but at the same time
15:02at the end
15:03you should just
15:04make what makes you happy
15:05It's one thing
15:06having creative control
15:08which is
15:08easier enough
15:10but it's where
15:11all the money
15:12that's invested
15:13puts a burden
15:15on you
15:15because all that money
15:17has to get
15:17recouped
15:19and then you have to
15:19make a certain
15:20type of movie
15:21you don't have the
15:22freedom to do
15:23whatever you want
15:23because you're
15:24a slave to the
15:26economics
15:26if your film
15:27costs 200 million
15:28dollars or 100
15:29million dollars
15:30you need to make
15:31300-400 million
15:32dollars to break
15:32even
15:33that already
15:34puts a strain
15:34on what kind
15:35of movie
15:35can you make
15:36and I don't want
15:37any conditions
15:39on me
15:39at all
15:41you have to be
15:42completely free
15:43I mean in the
15:48beginning a lot
15:49of people were
15:50talking about
15:50another drive
15:51but it was like
15:52that would be
15:53the worst idea
15:54I've ever heard of
15:55so never
15:56never
15:57I've been very
16:06lucky to live
16:07a fun life
16:09and
16:10it has nothing
16:12to do with fame
16:13you realize
16:15very quickly
16:16it has
16:17that I've had
16:18opportunities
16:19and I've been
16:20able to work
16:20with people
16:21I've met people
16:23I've spoken
16:24with people
16:24and
16:25it's all been
16:26a lot of fun
16:27but I think
16:28when I started
16:29the idea
16:31of being seen
16:32was very essential
16:33the idea
16:34of fame
16:34and fame
16:35being
16:36it's like
16:37an opportunity
16:38it's like
16:38a stage
16:39one thing
16:40is becoming
16:40famous
16:41the next
16:42what are you
16:42going to do
16:42with it
16:43and obviously
16:44it's like
16:44anything
16:45it's an opportunity
16:46I don't have any
16:48love
16:48I don't have any
16:50I don't have to work
16:51all the time
16:52I also have to work
16:54I was
16:55I was
16:55I was
16:56I was
16:58we're here
16:59in Bangkok
16:59for 6 months
17:00how long
17:01he's going to make
17:02his next film
17:02and I've said
17:03yes to the
17:03film process
17:04it's new
17:06that we're
17:07together
17:08when he's filming
17:09last
17:10when he did
17:11drive
17:11I was home
17:12in Denmark
17:12with the children
17:13and it took
17:1410 months
17:15and it was
17:16just hard
17:17to be away from
17:17each other
17:18my daily life
17:22is I have a routine
17:23I wake up
17:24I do
17:25two hour sports
17:26every day
17:27then I usually
17:28have lunch
17:29then I get
17:31yelled at
17:31by my kids
17:32I work
17:33at night
17:34and then
17:35try not to
17:37get to bed
17:38too late
17:39and then
17:39Friday comes
17:41and it's weekend
17:42and
17:42you try to relax
17:45a little more
17:45and the next day
17:46is Monday
17:47you watch movies
17:48I used to watch
17:50a lot of movies
17:51when I was a lot
17:51younger
17:52but now it's just
17:53harder and harder
17:54there's other things
17:55that I find interesting
17:56like what
17:57well I did my first
17:59exhibition
18:00that just opened
18:01in Tokyo
18:02and that's been
18:03a lot of fun
18:03to do that
18:04collaboration
18:05with Hideo Kojima
18:06can you talk
18:08about that
18:08well I created
18:10an exhibition
18:11that opened
18:13Friday
18:14last week
18:15in Tokyo
18:16where I built
18:17this installation
18:18between us
18:20I saw my wife
18:21and my daughter
18:22in the procession
18:24hey
18:24it's me
18:26where are you going
18:32wait
18:34don't leave without me
18:40I am heart man
18:52and heart man
18:53is forever
18:54in death stranding
18:55I think that
19:01don't believe
19:02everything you read
19:03on the internet
19:04can you tease us
19:05something
19:05well believe
19:06everything you read
19:07on the internet
19:08you're going to see
19:18a beautiful film
19:19you're going to see
19:24you
19:25you
19:25you
19:25you
19:27you
19:27you
19:28you
19:32you
19:33you
19:33you
19:33you
19:34you
19:34you