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00:00:00i just wanted to really celebrate man it's a big day yesterday right yeah yeah um and it's funny
00:00:07because i've seen exodus twice now on you know they're doing bonded by blood you know and um
00:00:16there was a really good article yesterday that revolver magazine put out about combat records um
00:00:22and um just kind of that going back right um do you remember like the first session of recording
00:00:36there was yes you know there was only a couple sessions because we did it went by pretty quick
00:00:41i mean we we moved into uh indigo ranch uh recording studios which was owned by the moody blues
00:00:49at the time i think and um okay they uh so that was way up like a dirt road up into malibu you know way
00:00:58the hell up into looking up in the hill and um you know so you know which just made it harder to get
00:01:06beer and food you know and stuff but uh but uh yeah in fact i remember you know we were it was a
00:01:15different lifestyle and i remember being a little gacked out you know and and i'm walking into the
00:01:21uh to the to the studio and scarface was on tv which scared the out of me you know to be high on
00:01:28cocaine but our face is not fun you know what i mean it's like but uh i remember that very clearly
00:01:34that's when i saw scar that'll scare you straight you're like oh my life blowing it you know um
00:01:40yeah yeah totally totally but you know that basically we recorded all of those basic tracks
00:01:46i mean i think within a couple of days man because you know in those those big studios back in that
00:01:52day you know they were expensive you know they were a thousand twelve hundred fifteen hundred a day
00:01:57you know um you know it's not just coming out of you it comes out yeah exactly you know and our
00:02:03whole advance was eight grand you know and we had to live off that yeah yeah so i mean i think we cut
00:02:11me dave and gar together we cut um you know drum space and guitar you know kind of one take you know
00:02:18i mean i remember doing an overdub like the little lick in chosen ones i did like a little
00:02:22that dude yeah i mean i punched that like that yeah just yeah just to make it clean and i remember
00:02:32i think the lick and scope beneath the skin because i wanted to put i wanted to put a chorus on it you
00:02:38know and back in those days you know now today you know or you have a little money in your budget it's
00:02:44like you you never print an effect you know what i mean you you you record it and then you add the
00:02:50effect later you know what i mean but back in that day you know it's like standard and turn the
00:02:54chorus on you know so um you know you wanted those licks to be clean and that and that's
00:03:04not uncommon in making records but um you know and then of course the intro you know uh last rights
00:03:12um i remember you know dave was playing it on the piano they had a grand piano there so he sat down
00:03:18the piano and played it and i was standing there looking right over his shoulder so as he was
00:03:22playing it because we didn't play it to a click you know and then i came in with the
00:03:30right man that that album as as i said when we did our first interview when we were on that tour bus
00:03:38that album that was my first metal album ever like that was the introduction to metal because i had
00:03:43someone older than me like he was like especially older than me i thought he was cool as he's playing
00:03:48the guitar so like that was literally the first cassette i ever owned i played all the time man
00:03:53and that that intro was so different than other stuff that we heard like you know yeah i mean with
00:03:58the piano you know that era you know that was um you know when we were starting the band so you know we
00:04:05lived on sycamore avenue and that whole area right there was all like the students from mi from musicians
00:04:12to right so we we had a friend you know yngwie was new in town uh mike barney brought him over so he was
00:04:19in uh ron keel's band stealer um you know loudness had just played their debut show at the country club
00:04:28uh debut in america um and of course you know akira takasaki was you know amazing so i mean this was the
00:04:36era great guitar players but you know our thing was more kind of you know uh you know uli john roth
00:04:44you know those early scorpions records you know virgin killer um you know the tokyo tapes live
00:04:52you know uh album of theirs uh for sure ufo strangers in the night first couple maiden records
00:04:59route you know but our our ears were going more to this kind of almost neoclassical you know this european
00:05:07uh type music and yngwie of course new in town was just you know he really brought that over big
00:05:14time you know he was like the he was like the younger he was like if uli john roth had a kid it
00:05:20would be yngwie you know what i mean so yeah he was a beast yeah so he you know yeah he just brought
00:05:29um you know that whole thing so that that so when i go to you know to to last rights you know to go
00:05:36into this classical mindset is that was that was big in our i think the thrash genre you know look the
00:05:43occult was big ronnie james steel and black sabbath of course made that legal you know it's like
00:05:49you know go down those roads and then grand phantom of course um and then also the neoclassical thing
00:05:56you know that so those were really i think two two big influences into uh probably killing and and
00:06:05peace cells going on soon i mean that album also aged very well to me i to me personally i think that
00:06:12album aged really well uh what like when you went into those um breakdowns and bass breakdowns going back
00:06:19to what we were talking about before like how did that come into play you were just like basically
00:06:25we need to just have a breakdown real quick just to come back yeah i mean you know it's it's um it was
00:06:32interesting as we were writing this stuff because you know you know dave you know was the main composer
00:06:39so to speak right but but you know a lot of those things especially when gar got in the band you know
00:06:44what scar is dijon our first drummer was very creative he was really into cozy powell and ian
00:06:52pace so you know that was a big thing and again the black he wrote the black friday lyrics you know it's
00:06:59it's that was really his concept i mean dave finished it up in a way that made it singable but i mean the
00:07:05concept and the the the real beginning of those lyrics because dijon had the whole thing right now
00:07:12so um you know he was big into that um and then i think once you know gar got in the band in 1984
00:07:22you know he got in the band so we played our second round of shows in april of 84 and then gar was in the
00:07:29band probably by may you know may or something like that may or june at the latest we played a
00:07:35few shows as a three-piece we played like the the waters and uh waters club in san pedro we went back
00:07:42up to san francisco um and did around to remember death angel opened for us and that was i think like
00:07:48november 24th or something like that and then right after that we came home and went in the studio in
00:07:54december of 84 and started cutting records so chris poland i don't even know if he played any show i
00:08:01don't think he played any shows with us yet so he basically came in um and this was ironically this
00:08:07would kind of become a a template you know we basically me dave and whatever drummer would sort
00:08:13of be you know writing and recording and putting the records you know the songs and then recording and
00:08:19then you know chris pretty much played solos and he played some rhythm stuff you know you can really
00:08:25hear his like his rhythm guitar stuff like on rattle and you know chris has got like perfect time i mean
00:08:31his his meter is just perfect you know so in a lot of ways he climbed up our sound a little bit you know
00:08:38he made you know what what was kind of you know not to a click track pretty rowdy pretty off to the races
00:08:45tempos you know chris had a way of kind of reining it in a little bit and really putting a nice
00:08:52meticulous musical point on stuff oh yeah man um that rattlehead song goes so hard too like and you
00:09:00know like what was interesting with the songwriting in it it's like at one point dave's like he's like
00:09:06throw your your hands in the air and like it's not like it's like something like you would hear like
00:09:11on a party record you know which was always interesting because because if you think about it
00:09:16it's kind of like yeah yeah yeah it's so funny i i was i was opening this up i thought it was i didn't
00:09:24know if it was a beer and then i went to the gym today at the hotel and it was water so i'm like okay
00:09:29i guess i can drink it it didn't know what the hell it was but yeah yeah well it's funny so you know
00:09:37as the as it went the you know the first when i first met dave um you know the song that became set
00:09:47the world afire uh it was called um oh god what the hell is it called um no survivors and um
00:09:58um the lyrics were done the music was done that song was done um and then he had uh scope i'm sorry
00:10:07um looking down the cross which had a different title um speak no evil i think was what the title
00:10:14was yeah oh really that's what it was originally it was originally speaking evil yeah and um and so
00:10:22but then everything else you know started to be written after that so you know i met him in june of
00:10:2883 then after that as we you know as we would go to rehearsal like deep you know me and my friend
00:10:32greg hanovitt and dave with dijon um and dave had a singer that he was kicking around with named laura
00:10:40cane but you know laura wasn't a fit in there you know he just he didn't it wasn't he was he was he
00:10:47was kind of more like this jim morrison guy you know and he's a cool guy but yeah it just wasn't it
00:10:54wasn't the there wasn't a fit you know so that that kind of fizzled out pretty quickly you know
00:10:59but he was there you know as the i mean technically i guess he would be a founding member uh of mega as
00:11:06well you know him and uh dijon and greg um as well as the first you know you know lineup that we
00:11:14you know rehearsing with and stuff but you know then as we then that you know then like the conjuring
00:11:19um for sure sco beneath the skin um oh and and devil's island so those are like the very earliest
00:11:27songs and then as we continue to you know let's put the songs together um throughout the remainder
00:11:33of 83 jim durkin from dark angel uh was at rehearsals with us and jim was jim was real good he was just a
00:11:43little young he was a little green yet you know he just did because he was yeah i mean i was 18 so i
00:11:49mean i was young but i you know i'd had bands in the midwest so i i knew what i was doing i'd want to
00:11:54play and you know do the thing and you know go out and gig and do stuff um we ended up getting then
00:12:00carrie king you know to uh to fill in yeah we got him to fill in what's that did he do like four gigs
00:12:12with you uh yeah i guess five actually yeah because then you know turn the calendar into 1984. in fact
00:12:19it was it was new year's eve uh you know we auditioned a few singers and this this one guy was supposed to
00:12:26show up and he didn't and and uh out of frustration he just taped a sheet of lyrics for i don't know
00:12:34chosen ones or something right put it up on uh on on a mic stand you know and we played the song and
00:12:42he stepped up to the mic and sang and i was the one i was going to do that was killer and he was
00:12:47like a lot of breath turned red like he's gonna pass out he didn't really know how to sing and breathe
00:12:51and play you know you don't think he'd ever done it before you know and i said kill her man he goes
00:12:56really i said you know look you're writing the lyrics like no one's gonna sing this shit
00:13:02as good as you are because you are you have the story you know the thing about these mega
00:13:08death songs is they were stories you know and you know that really i learned a lot about that
00:13:14with with songwriting is and as i would write lyrics you know on upcoming albums and stuff too you
00:13:19know is is writing for dave to sing them because it was almost like dave was writing
00:13:24not with him singing in mind right he was writing a story and the storyteller was yet to be determined
00:13:32until new year's eve of 83 84 when that singer didn't show up dave became the storyteller you know
00:13:39so and and it was edit you know he just had the right attitude he had the right conviction so
00:13:44you know then flip into 84 by february you know february 84th when we went up to the bay area to debut the band
00:13:51and uh carrie had just been up there with slayer like just a couple of months before that so
00:13:58um he'd been there with slayer the exodus guys of course they were the gatekeepers you know they were
00:14:03the ones that welcomed us all you know to to the bay area and um and so you know they were they were
00:14:11really great with that and and of course they knew dave from his metallica days you know before that so he
00:14:18already had dave had a lot of friends up there and supporters you know we're excited to see what his
00:14:23new post metallica band was going to be like so um yeah carrie filled in on guitar i never got the
00:14:30impression he was going to be a full-time member i mean i think he probably toyed with the idea a little
00:14:35bit you know but um i i i also think from those early days with with megadeth he you know he he
00:14:46you know he enjoyed it he liked it but i think he he knew quickly like okay slayer is slayer i can do
00:14:52something with slayer like like we've got a shot at something here so he he then you know when we came
00:14:57home our drummer um um lee roush left the band uh carrie with beck slayer so it was just me and dave
00:15:06and then that's when we got uh gar in the band after that we got introduced to this manager guy
00:15:10jay jones and then he brought in gar and then a couple months later he brought chris in because gar
00:15:15and chris it's kind of like me and david they were going it was about bringing the two teams together you
00:15:21know yeah yeah that's what's so cool because you and dave like you you guys were living above each
00:15:29other right that's how you guys met that's how we met yes that's how we met yeah yeah and then
00:15:35those two were already together yeah guard they just grew up in dunkirk new york so up by um
00:15:43buffalo new york and so they had moved to la a few years earlier they were you know in they grew up on
00:15:50you know everything from mahavishin orchestra and this you know from you know return to forever
00:15:56this kind of progressive jazz fusion stuff and gar you know gar always cited billy cobham and keith
00:16:02moon as his influences right so which is cool because you know billy cobham in that day was he you know
00:16:08he would be like the mike portnoy he was the the neopirot of the day you know he was of uh of like the
00:16:1570s or something you know uh of the kind of um very progressive jazz rock he was like the guy you
00:16:22know so um you know cigar but then gar also he's just unorthodox you know i think one of the things
00:16:30you know when gar um scuba to the skin is a good example because the when it comes to the breakdown
00:16:36after the intro he does the you know the floor tom roll then he does the fill this way right he comes
00:16:50up from the toms most people go right because if you're playing a beat probably the closest drum is
00:16:56that first that first rack time right so to get through right that's how most people kind of
00:17:04musically went from from you know a higher pitch to a lower pitch like right so but gar you know
00:17:12he would come from from down below nobody did that i mean that was just so groundbreaking and even
00:17:21like mechanics you know when we played mechanics you know he played he plays a shuffle under that you
00:17:28know it's like hot for teachers a shuffle right so think hot for teacher
00:17:34whereas you know obviously i i like the metallica version uh from no life to leather as well as of
00:17:40course for horsemen you know where lars you know plays a you know you know plays the riff basically
00:17:47on the drums which yeah cool you know but gar's thing was this was this shuffle and i played ron
00:17:55mcgovney's baseline or at least my my interpretation of it you know i kind of did my own stuff with it too
00:18:02i played some of my own fills and licks but i i kind of was more to ron mcgovney's no life to leather
00:18:09version of the baseline you know that that i that i played on that when you guys recorded that album
00:18:15so that did like did you like really like go hard with like referencing like the the four horsemen before
00:18:22recording that because that came out before you recorded correct no so dave wrote that song pre metallica
00:18:29as i understand from according to how dave so he had mechanics done in its entirety and then he brought
00:18:36that into metallica you know they kept uh certain riffs and parts of his songs and you know then you
00:18:46know created their their version of it because you know when you listen to the no life to leather demo
00:18:51um you know they play mechanics in its entirety the way megadeth did i said like i said the only real
00:19:02difference is you know guard played the shuffle beat rather than you know lars played the you know the
00:19:10actual you know the guitar riff basically on the drums um so both are great i like both um but that you
00:19:19know two different styles so so mechanics was was very much dave's song for sure you know and that's
00:19:25why when when we when he said i want to do mechanics you know he didn't look at it like it was a metallica
00:19:32song it was his song so as i understand this is from what david told me you know he brought that into
00:19:38metallica so when he left he took it with him you know it's his attitude you know um i think i think those
00:19:44other songs he i i believe you know he uh collaborated or you know if he brought them into
00:19:54the metallica band room they worked on those together you know metal militia you know phantom
00:19:59or whatever stuff that he else that he wrote i got the impression that you know those were group
00:20:05compositions um whereas mechanics was entirely his song uh lyrics and music that he brought into
00:20:14metallica and then obviously took with him into all right i mean the whole structure of the song
00:20:20is exactly the same it's just slowed down and then they they bring in like that like dave says the
00:20:26sweet home alabama kind of sounding riff that they they yeah you know he told me lars wanted something
00:20:32like a sweet home like a like a leonard skinner part there right so dave wrote that kind of kind of as
00:20:37a joke i think he said you know he well you know he kind of played something and he said yeah like
00:20:43that and they you know they kept that so you know it's it's ironic i don't know in the history of music
00:20:52if there is you know ever a song let's just take mechanics right that is a direct essentially mechanics is
00:21:02the song four horsemen is a derivative of that song as as they collaborated even while dave was in the
00:21:10band to develop it into the four horsemen um so there's essentially these two songs that are two
00:21:21different names two different lyrics but musically the same you know two different copyrights right um
00:21:29and you know the melodies are the same obviously you know james changed the lyrics you know to the
00:21:36four horsemen wrote an entirely different story to it the melody is exactly the same the the way that
00:21:42james is going on the song the way he's delivering his vocals it's exactly yeah yeah so it's me that uh
00:21:51you know and i mean it's it's uh in the divorce if you will you know it's like they both kind of
00:21:57have you know the same house but just with a different doorway on it you know what i mean
00:22:03so it's uh you know i don't know in the history of recorded music if there if that's ever happened
00:22:10before you know um nah i mean i've never seen it it's not like it's wild you know iron maiden has
00:22:19wrath child and then paul diano went off and you know did a different for you know what i mean it's
00:22:24like it's just never happened it's it's it's it's kind of strange actually now that we're talking
00:22:29about it that that it happened so you know yeah of course that that that uh that uh controversy
00:22:38you know continues to this day as we've seen recently i know we just seen i'm sure you heard
00:22:44about somewhat of that uh new interview with dave he mentioned that again and everything like that
00:22:50without lars uh with the with that i mean listen from the sweet home you know it's kind of like
00:22:59you know when you work for a company like for instance when i worked for pb we did a
00:23:03david ellison's signature base right but when when i left they took my name off of it they keep the
00:23:10base right because it it's it was you know it's their it's hartley pb's company i worked for him it
00:23:17was you know and you know i think in metallica it's the same thing it's lars and james's band
00:23:22and so if you're there and you write some songs what you did there stays there you know what i mean so
00:23:27i i can see that i mean for look again i this was all before i even met dave i met dave six weeks
00:23:34after he was out of metallica and for me you know i i you know no life to leather was my first
00:23:41introduction to them and i loved what i heard yet i liked as good if you know i think as good for sure
00:23:49what dave was writing i was going fuck dude no survivors speak no evil uh you know um and and um
00:24:02uh devil's island i think had a working title of don't uh don't get mad get even or something like
00:24:08that uh that's right so um you know what i mean so it's like when i heard him you know we're sitting
00:24:14there in the apartment and he's playing those things i've been going what are you complaining about it's
00:24:18like these songs are great like these these these are even better you've been than what you were doing
00:24:24in metallica and it's like it just went to the next level you know and i i just me again forest from
00:24:32the trees it wasn't my you know argument to have with that but i just looked at it and went man the fact
00:24:38that this band you know kicked you out okay bummer but you know uh you know they used
00:24:48your songs they put your name on the on the credit and you got paid it's like that's like a triple win
00:24:56man you know what i mean so yeah yeah so yeah so you know but look when members got kicked out of
00:25:03megadeth you know they weren't no one was ever their songs weren't used and credited and paid you
00:25:09know what i mean it was like you know i mean this the song soldier on on the on the last megadeth record
00:25:15i brought the lyric and the melody and for that and then me and dave were working on that together
00:25:20he changed the title of it to soldier on and then when he kicked me out he just took my words off and
00:25:25kept the whole song to himself and took all the credit he didn't he didn't pay me or put my
00:25:30name on it so i mean as far as i'm concerned wars and james are pretty generous to him you know so
00:25:36you'll you'll take that that ticket just like yeah that didn't happen to any of us in megadeth so
00:25:44it's like you know so anyway um but you know whatever that's it's all part of the folklore
00:25:50and the and the legend of megadeth and metallic i guess at this point yeah and it's gonna last forever
00:25:56right so the wheels fall off which will never happen oh yeah exactly so yeah most people yeah
00:26:04so again most people you know maybe get a severance hey i look you know look at it like that it was a
00:26:10severance package you know and they they you know would tell you your name money they were broke you
00:26:15know they'd signed you know they signed the deal they made the record who knew if they'd make any money
00:26:20at all the fact that it blew up like it did it was just incredible but um yeah it's uh you know it's
00:26:27it's uh it's it's the it's the feud of our genre you know battle of the bands because because it was
00:26:36kind of like that going in there right when he got kicked out and he formed his own band and like
00:26:41trying to just like take over the world that that's what i got yeah and i mean look you know when i when
00:26:48me and greg hand up at met dave asking for you know where do we buy beer and just trying to meet
00:26:52our neighbor like all right we need to get to meet some neighbors we don't know anybody in town we're
00:26:56only 18. we're too young to buy beer the drinking age is 21. so like how are we going to make this
00:27:01work and you know it was you know the first knock on the door you know and and uh and you know the
00:27:08fact that um you know look it it really greg i mean greg was the one suggested we call the band
00:27:16megadeth you know dave didn't even like the name you know he didn't even want to call it that greg's
00:27:20like telling you that's the name and even laura cain was like whoa dude that's heavy dude you know
00:27:27like you know i don't never forget i think downstairs in our apartment it was after rehearsal
00:27:36and dijon had a girlfriend so he was off with his girlfriend but it was me dave
00:27:41lore and uh greg and we were in our apartment and you know greg kind of slouched down on the
00:27:48couch and we're you know we're sitting there just talking about the stage and you know what
00:27:53the stage is going to look like because you know we were formulating all this stuff right
00:27:57it looked like what's the stage going to look like you know how are we going to have two daves
00:28:01in the band you know my name is warren should we just call me war instead of you know dave how
00:28:06did we get to have two daves because dave is already dave so then we decided it'll be david
00:28:12you know and we kept them yeah you were definitely david yeah like we kept our real names you know we
00:28:18didn't do we didn't do stage names you know like you know it was like gene simmons paul stanley these
00:28:24are like cool names you know what i mean and it's just like you know when you get and i was like hello
00:28:28stage ellison cool and i don't know that's not like a cool rock and roll name you know i mean i'm glad i
00:28:33kept it now of course but you know what i mean it's like you know nikki six you know because that
00:28:38that was what was going on in the sunset script you know everybody had like they had stage names
00:28:43you know so like one syllable these are like total rock stars you know and and uh so you know we kept
00:28:54our names and and then then the topic then the next topic was you know we need a band name and um
00:29:01and that's i'll never forget greg because he kind of had this sly look he's kind of looking
00:29:05well i think we should call the band megadeth and and and there was like this silence in the room and
00:29:13then that's what laura goes whoa dude that's heavy because megadeth was the word in the song
00:29:22of survivors right the arsenals of megadeth can't be heard they said you know that was that was the line
00:29:28right and when we saw those lyrics you know that's i i i mean it's brilliant right that's uh you know
00:29:35what's a megadeth you don't even know what the word is you know what i mean so so it stuck and um you
00:29:42know greg greg forced the issue you know and then and i remember dave he didn't want to have the word
00:29:48death he didn't like the name he didn't like the word death like that was just too too cliche for a
00:29:54metal band right so greg was the one who suggested he goes why don't we drop the a you know megadeth you
00:30:01know and then dave liked it because it's eight letters it's numerology it's the perfect date like
00:30:07the infinity right it's you know we ate the eight oh wow oh so he's using mathematics with this this
00:30:14whole thing with the name that's i've never knew that's fire like the gematria stuff right we have
00:30:19yeah yeah yeah what what was that yeah so there was a lot of thought into it i mean it it didn't
00:30:27just you know we were not a band that just jammed and smoked pot and nah you guys were very intricate
00:30:34with everything like you know it was really cool um what about the artwork because i remember weren't
00:30:40you guys really unhappy with that artwork or yeah yeah well and i've learned now too from uh my friend
00:30:48uh mike schnapp uh who was our who did radio promotion for combat records i was just
00:30:54i just befriended him again he is we we stayed in touch and stuff but he's working on movies
00:30:59working on a book and stuff so i was just with him in new jersey for the nick menza film premiere and um
00:31:06he just told me uh the other day there were two masters uh two like like you know when you went in
00:31:12and mastered you know you take that like we would take the down so we did those couple of days up in
00:31:18indigo ranch then we moved down to a studio called crystal sound labs down in santa monica and uh gower
00:31:25um where we finished the rest of the recording the solos uh chris did his solos and stuff there and
00:31:32there was the singing and then we mixed there and um then we um then we then we went to go have it
00:31:43have it mastered and i think we went to a place i can't remember i forgot where it was anyway we went
00:31:50and so when you master basically what you're doing is you're creating the lacquer that they would then
00:31:55that becomes the thing by which you press and manufacture all the vinyl right uh and of course made
00:32:01cassettes from at that point too but essentially you're creating you know it's literally a
00:32:06turntable with a needle and it's carving you know it's carving the master uh you know uh
00:32:16you know vinyl template that you're going to then create
00:32:21yeah right and then from that from which they were literally press and manufacture all the vinyl and um
00:32:27so i remember you know me and dave going there chris may have been there with us as well because
00:32:33chris was an audiophile he liked to be into the mixing and he wanted to be there as you know for as
00:32:38much as he could too and um so we there's one master and so when you master you have to have your songs
00:32:45in order because they basically that's that's where they cut the mastering engineer also trims the uh the fades
00:32:53and the stop of a song to the start of the new song right and there was a there's a formula that
00:32:59they had for like you know you put three seconds in between songs and i will say this the mastering
00:33:04guys loved our records because they only had eight songs on them right there was only like i think
00:33:0928 or 32 minutes of material right so if it was four songs on side a four songs on side b
00:33:16um you know because he these what the mastering guy said he goes less songs means the grooves are wider
00:33:23which means more bottom end of course when oh there you go of course but um so then we did that and
00:33:30then when we sent that off to combat steve sinclair who was kind of the point man he and our guy at the
00:33:40label he went in and created his own master and changed the the order and i i i literally just
00:33:46learned this like a couple weeks ago and uh and then i got to thinking about it and i'm going you
00:33:51know what i because it's so funny like kings of thrash were blurring the record top to bottom
00:33:57and in my mind i always felt like there was a different order to the record and the guys would be
00:34:01like no this is what it is i'm like that can't be right because i never you know i don't sit around
00:34:06and listen to killing is my business right i just don't and yeah four years ago we made it right so
00:34:13and and so when mike told me that i'm like i knew it i knew it because i knew there's no way we would
00:34:19have as a band put the songs in that order so isn't that funny that uh um there's literally these two
00:34:25masters and um and who knows like he called it there's the dave master and then the steve sinclair
00:34:31master and steve was the one because he worked at the label he ran the label it was his master one
00:34:37right so then you come to the artwork same thing right they send us the finished version they don't
00:34:44send us like hey here's a you know sample yeah like any label now it's a email you a pdf hey this
00:34:52is with a sketch of what it's how it's coming along and add a little more orange or can we tweak
00:34:58the lyric you know just tweak the logos none of that they just send you so we go uh we had a friend
00:35:05that you know because we named didn't have like a mailbox we didn't have a permanent address because
00:35:09we were pretty much homeless just living people right so i remember going over to her house sharon
00:35:16and uh and and they shipped it to her and so we go to her i think i think they sent it to her or
00:35:20her our post office but i thought they sent it to her and and there it is we're like holy that's not
00:35:26at all what we wanted they they changed the logo so the version you see now on the final kill and
00:35:32even the one that we reissued back in 2002 um that that remix that is obviously it's got the current
00:35:41logo um but it's uh you know the skull and crossbones that was what it was supposed to look
00:35:47like because it was essentially that was the description of the skull beneath the skin and it was also
00:35:53the um see no evil hear no evil speak no evil which is looking down the cross so that was the whole
00:36:00description now if you really want to see the original artwork look on the megadeth anthology
00:36:06uh greatest hits album cover dave has a white shirt on it's that's one of our shows i think that was from
00:36:14palo alto it was our first i think it was our first round of shows we did up there
00:36:19um with carrie king in february of 84 and um dave only had his one guitar his his bc rich the rich
00:36:29bitch right that he had from metallica he only had that one guitar and he broke a string so he had to
00:36:34borrow cigar gary had two he had the red the red mockingbird and uh and then he also had a um i think
00:36:42he had a warlock a black warlock so dave uh carrie must have been playing the warlock so dave quickly
00:36:49grabbed carrie's red mockingbird um and so that picture on the front of anthology is dave with carrie's
00:36:58mockingbird uh and that t-shirt that is the original artwork that we sent them right that's really that's the
00:37:09megadeth logo it's kind of you know um sort of you know this this this the how the sort of the logo
00:37:16spread out and then those sickles that come down and then the skull and cross mud the sort of the
00:37:23origin story of of what became big rattle so that's it that's the original artwork on that t-shirt and
00:37:30that was that would have been from 1934 that's that's a trip man yeah i gotta say i'm still blown
00:37:35away by what you told me about the labels doing the switcher ruski last minute you know and rearranging
00:37:42the order that's just what labels do they did whatever the hell they wanted they did whatever
00:37:47the hell they wanted man it's uh i remember we played at the wrist it was i think it was slayer
00:37:52megadeth and the bad brains and we played at the ritz in new york and uh steve sinclair was in the
00:37:58audience and dave we're he was a little hammered and he was going off yelling and steve raised in
00:38:05like right in front of him and uh going off complaint you know fishing about combat while
00:38:11combat was in the in the audience you know and then i remember then they they put in this brand
00:38:15new twenty thousand dollar video screen and they lowered the screen like okay you guys are done right
00:38:20and i remember dave took his guitar and smashed it through the screen and uh yeah our agent andy summer
00:38:27somehow got us out of having to pay for that because that would have been expensive yeah more
00:38:31more pricey yeah more money than we have you didn't have the bread back then right
00:38:39that would have hurt a little bit yeah because you guys you guys were wild when you were younger
00:38:44though man don't like that's wild it was a real right we were the sex crystals man i mean it was full
00:38:50on like just anyone could have died or anything could happen at any time you know full-on fights
00:38:57and you know it's like that's what it was dave had to be a front man though he was born to be a
00:39:04front man he was he was and again you know gary holt talked about that i remember seeing that somewhere
00:39:11where he he said when they would go see metallica they would mostly go just to hear to see dave because
00:39:16he'd rave and rant and talk because he talked in between the songs you know so he was like
00:39:21you know james was the singer but dave was kind of the front man you know i mean so it was an
00:39:26interesting dynamic but uh obviously that wasn't meant to last you know so yeah it it i agree it's
00:39:33it's um you know and i think yet you know there were times where dave probably would have loved to
00:39:40have just been the guitar player it would have been a lot more fun a lot easier to just just be the lead
00:39:45guitar player you know not have to sing all the time because when you're singing you're tied to the mic
00:39:49you're you've got to do all of that you know so uh but yeah no you're right his his personality
00:39:56was was was definitely i knew that as soon as i met him it was like okay this guy's like a david lee
00:40:01roth like a metal version of david lee roth like he's just he's just meant to be to be uh be the front
00:40:08man you know for sure the the like it was almost like wrestling promos at times during between songs
00:40:15when you guys first would start like some some of the he would talk it was it was incredible you
00:40:19know yeah yeah yeah yeah we had a few drinks it was yeah it was an interesting night
00:40:27well yeah i'm glad that you came through man because as i said this is a special album it's a
00:40:31historic album one of the best and a very important album when it comes down to thrash metal history
00:40:36i'm happy that you came through man and um what's going on right now you probably i know i know like last
00:40:42year or the year before when i spoke to you have like a ton of projects uh are you are you taking
00:40:47it it's funny i don't have any projects i have bands you know um you know when you start something
00:40:55and i guess maybe because i was in one band for so long you know but you know then when you do
00:41:01something different it's kind of oh it's a new project and it's i mean look megadeth was a project
00:41:05until we decided okay this is gonna work you know what i mean i mean every i think everything you start
00:41:11is ultimately a project you know because you know think about when you got sent home from science
00:41:17class and you had to build a volcano it was a project right this is it's a lot of work right
00:41:23you put it together and it's like oh the volcano works that's fun you know and that that's what
00:41:28writing songs is like that's what putting a band together is like it's it's it's like science class
00:41:34you know what i mean you're you're you're building something from the ground up and when it starts to
00:41:38work and you know it's trial and error sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't we got to tweak this
00:41:45tweak that you know and i and and you know so they're they're they i guess they all start like
00:41:50that but you know i i've you know ever since i was a kid ever since i first got my first base you know
00:41:54by age 12 i was putting bands together you know and i joined a couple bands but for the most part i was
00:42:00always the guy putting them together you know and and i like that that's even megadeth right i came to
00:42:05california and you know dave didn't have a band he was writing some songs you know he he needed some
00:42:12soldiers at the very least which you know and again greg you know my friend greg really and i
00:42:18gave him the kudos and the credit because he was such a big part of kind of the you know carving a
00:42:25path i mean he was a he's a true metal head at heart you know he really had he saw a vision
00:42:31for dave's songs that he was writing and that's pretty cool because dave was not very receptive to
00:42:39people having any other ideas than him you know what i mean so you know for dave to even be at all
00:42:45receptive to that and greg was pretty forceful you know he had a he had a way of you know a conviction
00:42:52about him you know and and so it was good it was a good thing obviously you know so uh it was short
00:42:57lived it wasn't going to last you know but um but you know um but back to your question i mean right
00:43:04now i'm i'm in gadania poland i'm looking out over the baltic sea right here with russia right over
00:43:10there and denmark and sweden to the north and uh i'm just literally here we just we did rehearsals for
00:43:16uh diet we were playing a festival tomorrow a couple hours south of here and um and then after that you
00:43:23know a couple weeks and then i'll be up with the uh farewell black sabbath ozzy osborne show
00:43:31up in birmingham on july 5th yeah now and then we then diet we have another show uh in toronto
00:43:38uh august 1st and then after that chris poland and i are doing a i'm gonna do a base story event i
00:43:44haven't done a base story now in about five six years we're gonna do a one-off base story show that
00:43:48i'm gonna have chris poland be a part of and then he and i are appearing at uh terrificon which is a
00:43:53comic-con event at mohegan sun in connecticut so uh yeah yeah yeah yeah there's a crash it'll be
00:44:02september and october and then i'm doing the alice cooper rob help uh rock and roll fantasy camp in
00:44:07phoenix in november so yeah the years the years uh it's it's got fun stuff going on you know so
00:44:15what's going on with um man i'm sorry i'm having like a brain freeze uh my guy from uh sponge um you
00:44:21guys oh yeah the lucid the lucid yeah yes thank you the lucid yeah you know it's you know there's
00:44:30always an album in the works with that you know we we became you know we we wanted to do some shows
00:44:34in fact we had shows booked on the calendar and then our guitar player drew 48 uh he had a cancer
00:44:40scare uh fortunately it was he was able to have a surgery and it was good it was it was benign it
00:44:45wasn't uh so fortunately he dodged a bullet with that but then that that pulled everything off the
00:44:51books and so we kind of just became like a really famous internet fan you know what i mean we put put
00:44:57some records out i think the material is fantastic you know it's fun for me like everything that i do
00:45:04is if i just think about it even with diet it's like you know we're actually we're actually rehearsing
00:45:10a couple of in tune songs you know and and it's funny in tuned was kind of like mega death for
00:45:16death metal you know the music's complex it's got a lot of intricacy to it um you know they had that
00:45:24kind of same following too you know what i mean like i mean coming out of sweden of course they're
00:45:28very popular around here and our drummer me halls you know from decapitated and hubert our guitar
00:45:35other guitar players so i mean these guys are these guys are in the real death metal scene the way i was
00:45:40you know so it's interesting for me being a little bit older to to learn how they wrote how they
00:45:48played um you know so that that's that's an interesting thing so it's interesting you know
00:45:54that scratches an itch obviously kings of thrash we go out we play killing is my business like it's like
00:45:59in its entire like no problem and you guys are doing yeah we are yep yep yeah and yeah we're gonna you
00:46:07you know it's funny when we were in when we did our tour in um the uk and europe back in october
00:46:13november uh november 1st was the anniversary of euthanasia so i said look let's let's dig a couple
00:46:19tunes out and throw a little nod to that so we're going to continue that um and then we're going to
00:46:24get uh we're going to definitely go back and i mean we have the whole killing is my business record
00:46:30in our set list because we have played that that's incredible if you guys um haven't seen this and
00:46:36they're in your city you got to go it's so much having fun first of all too like it just it just
00:46:41hearing these old songs with like 2025 you know it like the sound of 2025 the equipment it's it's just
00:46:48so much so much power sounds really good yeah no thank you yeah kings is a great lineup man fred on
00:46:55drums and chas our singer i mean chas you you couldn't find a better singer and front man for
00:47:01that i mean he he just mentally naturally gets the charisma and persona of dave you know he's a he's
00:47:10a he's a really cool nice guy too which is making oh yeah he's really cool super cool super cool and
00:47:18again he's a big fan so for him it's just all respect and you know uh you know for for him to
00:47:25do it and and and that's why that's why we started that band was to go out and play these songs because
00:47:30i i had done you know the children theater events back in 2021 i guess it was and it was my you know
00:47:39first couple of months i wasn't in megadeth and megadeth had just gone through the area and fans are
00:47:43complaining they're like the fuck they're like the same 10 songs and we want to hear old stuff and they're
00:47:48giving me my killing killing is my business songs to play and and that was what it hit me i went home
00:47:53i called chris paul and i go dude we got to go and play some of this early stuff man the fans are
00:47:57wanting to hear this stuff it's just not how you know the current version of megadeth is and and it's
00:48:05you know that's just what it is you know what i mean so i said look we can go out and play this
00:48:09it'd be fun you know and we don't you know we're not trying to go play stadiums it's like just go and
00:48:14play it you know these songs were written and played in 500 seat club and sound good there you
00:48:19know so we had no pits in there it was it was fun it was like you know like like like taking it back
00:48:26to the roots you know that the when it was yeah it was it was thick i have to say something too
00:48:32because i ran into violent jay from icp and he's like i need to do more metal he said when you talk to
00:48:40or see david next i want to start a band with him tell him to call me email me right he was i
00:48:48mean we were he was like because i met i interviewed him and i mentioned about when i was i seen him
00:48:53maybe like two weeks after i interviewed you on the tour bus and he was like bro i'm it's a dream of
00:48:59mine to be in a band he's like a dream no he's cool man well you know drew got it uh well actually
00:49:05actually it was vinnie because they're both michigan guys so vinnie was in michigan ben uh
00:49:10dembroski from um from sponge and the lucid right so that's how that happened so they're buddies and um
00:49:17so yeah you know and and and you know with the lucid that is that band of just weird odd
00:49:24bits of people that you wouldn't think would fit together and yet they do i mean you know you get the
00:49:28bang tango guitar player with the lucid singer the fear factory drummer and the bass from mega death
00:49:33it's like what the fuck is that gonna sound like and it doesn't sound like any of those bands you
00:49:37know that i think is probably the the coolest thing about that group is we really found our own
00:49:44sound you know and um and then when you add you know violent jay in there for a couple of guests
00:49:50yeah that was the one with what that's it was almost like a sample you guys did i mean you replayed
00:49:56i don't mean to interrupt you pardon me but um didn't you guys do like the faith of faith no more
00:50:01yeah tell you what that was fun because you know mike keller our drummer is a is a fantastic producer
00:50:08and um you know so you know working with him is is great he's a killer drummer and uh in and so
00:50:18you know to to play to really deep dive and i love billy gold's bass part man those he is such a great
00:50:24bass player faith no more especially that that uh that one record that was really popular that had
00:50:31that song on in particular you know they that one that that was a real that that record turned some
00:50:38heads and and really made an impact you know faith no more was they were the right band at the right
00:50:43time in the musical landscape you know because jim had this metal sound to his guitar playing billy was
00:50:52this funk kind of thing because funk metal was kind of a deal there for a minute you know um
00:50:58and then mike patton of course you know it's just such a great uh great singer and stuff so they they
00:51:04were they were they were kind of a cool band of misfits you know what i mean and yet they they too
00:51:09when they all came together they had just really captivating sound you know and and um you know so
00:51:16yeah so it was it was fun to record that because i really wanted to play it exactly like billy did
00:51:22you know it's best i could it just you know yeah i love it it's such a groove and bounce to it you
00:51:28know and and it's heavy man what a rhythm section yeah so you were mentioning about ozzy right ozzy's
00:51:37last show is around the corner uh do you have a fond memory you'd like to share with the people before
00:51:42we go just to celebrate his career you know i when we did the mega death uh black sabbath tour in 2014
00:51:50in south america you know me and ozzy and billy morrison um he was down there philly was down there as
00:51:55well and that's when i got to know billy and so the three of us would hang out and um you know on show
00:52:01days they invited me over to their their camp and and um you know it was it was it was it was fun you
00:52:11know it's just it was cool there was uh you know a lot of conversations about music and you know
00:52:17clean living you know we're kind of the clean living guys you know what i mean so it's uh you know ozzy
00:52:22was you know he's very sharp man he's very he's very smart he's obviously got a lot of experience um
00:52:30and um he was just like hanging out with like a cool music guy you know that's that to me was i think
00:52:37the thing that i really took away from that you know and um you know he he was like all of us you
00:52:45know no matter how famous you are and all that kind of stuff it's like you realize that you know we're
00:52:50all just musicians you know and um and and sometimes when you just hang out with people like that you
00:52:55it sort of demystifies it you know and and then you realize it's like man we're all like i've said many
00:53:02times we're all in the same band you know what i mean like we're all we're all just you know you
00:53:06know music buddies and and um you know so it was it was just cool to um you know metallica did that
00:53:15when we did the big four before we played a note together the night before the first show in warsaw
00:53:20we had a dinner they set up a dinner with all the bands no representatives no managers no security guards
00:53:26just the four bands get together break bread have dinner go around the tables hang out you know hey
00:53:32how's the kids how's the wife you know how's what kind of car you got in the garage what you've been
00:53:38up to haven't seen you in a few years you know what i mean just have those conversations and that
00:53:43was you know like i think lars said he goes you know what happens is usually you know you'd start
00:53:48doing shows you're together on a tour a bunch of dates and then finally at the end you go you know
00:53:52you finally take the group picture you come in and you you know you have a few minutes and you go
00:53:58these guys are so cool why didn't we hang out the whole tour you know so i thought that was
00:54:02very that was great wisdom on their part too let's have that conversation first before we even play a
00:54:09note together you know and and let's be brothers first and then we'll play the show tomorrow you know
00:54:16and so i felt like you know billy morrison inviting me over there to hang with him nazi you know
00:54:22he did that i felt like there was there was like a brotherhood you know and i already knew geezer
00:54:27and so um and so it was great and then i'd see geezer and tony in the hall and it would be like
00:54:32hey what's going on you know and so i i felt like i got included into their family you know and um you
00:54:40know because we were the again the clean living brothers you know what i mean we weren't the troublemakers
00:54:45you know what i mean so it's like it was good you know you're on the right side of that you know
00:54:50so uh um you know so maybe it's a basis thing the basis people they they tend to stay out of the
00:54:57trouble you know yeah well and what was nice too is it then billy morrison i got you know during
00:55:02covet i did that also no cover record and so i i hit up al jorgensen's uh camp i wanted al to
00:55:10participate and we and we he agreed to sing on uh outfitter zane because he's friends with the
00:55:15cheaper guys from the chicago days so he sang on outfitter zane and again and there was a look al
00:55:21will throw one to you you throw one to him right so we're um we're you know at al's house there in la
00:55:28at his studio and we're shooting the outfitter zane uh video and everything which was super cool
00:55:34um and then um like you know within the year you know maybe a year later um you know they i got the
00:55:43call to go out and and write and record with al for that moral hygiene record so and i walk in the
00:55:50studio and billy morrison's there i'm like hey i'm gonna see you in a couple years and he is a fantastic
00:55:57guitar player i mean he you know i just knew him as uh you know as a as a brother on the road and then
00:56:03you know guitars in hand i was like man this guy's like musically lights are on this guy is really
00:56:08engaged and and um so we wrote um we wrote a song and it was his idea we were standing up by the pool
00:56:16after we wrote you know it was interesting because al had a pro tools guy in there and he would just
00:56:21turn on and you know hit record and everything we wrote just we were just writing riffs he captured all
00:56:27of it and al was sitting in the room you know just kind of kicking back you know grooving going and
00:56:33that's cool i like that and he just kind of left us alone to just write and um and uh and his guitar
00:56:40player caesar was there as well and then we went out by the pool and we're hanging out and that's when
00:56:45uh billy morrison said to al he goes you know we should really do um is it is it seek and destroy
00:56:53the uh iggy pop song is it am i saying that is that the right i remember it it wasn't exactly like
00:57:01the metallica one but uh um and so we ended up covering that we ended up covering that song and
00:57:07billy put the whole track together he did all the he put the whole groove together then he sent it to me
00:57:12and i played bass on it out in arizona so yeah it was great to you know have uh you know have a
00:57:18collaboration with him you know so it's funny how the doors open to different city you know so
00:57:25very cool yeah that's that's one thing i respect and i love about what you do man because you you
00:57:31your career you you've been you've not been scared to try a new thing experiment you know and just branch
00:57:38out and just do what you love and play music you know it's really cool that you do all that yeah
00:57:42friday the 13th we're gonna end it like this because it's friday the 13th right so let's say
00:57:48um they wanted to pick a a song off of uh killing is my business for the movie what song would you
00:57:55want to want to be in that movie a new friday the 13th a new friday the 13th if they were doing a
00:58:01new friday the 13th what song off this album since we're celebrating 40 years well look i think for
00:58:08one of the scary haunting pieces you'd have to start with last rites right because just that that piano
00:58:14intro sets up a good killing scene pretty well right yeah the way that would be in there and you know
00:58:30i think also probably um you know you could probably even put you know you could you could
00:58:40clip a little piece of skull beneath the skin in there somewhere you know what i mean um you know
00:58:46like the beginning like the beginning sounds very haunting like something very bad and dangerous is
00:58:50going to happen next you know oh yeah 100 it was an eerie effing album you it had some eerie ass uh
00:58:57it was eerie as hell like um looking down the cross was very eerie too i thought that that's
00:59:03pretty yeah looking on it you know because a lot of it it look it's all this
00:59:09and and looks sabbath kind of started it right black sabbath they did these sort of
00:59:17right this diminished right that's like a spooky it's like a boris carloff
00:59:22uh right yeah you know it's this diminished kind of triad thing in the harmonic minor or some of the
00:59:32kind of formal music talk there but um you know you start using those and that's and that and that's
00:59:39what we did and that's what made it not whereas you know maiden um was you know minor keys mostly uh
00:59:50you know pentatonic kind of stuff when you take a pentatonic and you you flat like the like the
00:59:56fifth you know then it becomes that that uh that diminished thing and i mean a perfect example probably
01:00:02the best example of that diminished thing is that beginning of dave's solo and mechanics that
01:00:10that's all i don't have a guitar here in the room but it's all you know that that is a classic just
01:00:16that's that's all diminished stuff right and you know that sound and that's why like the scope
01:00:22beneath the skin right that intro it's all these chromatic that that f e right those those movements
01:00:36you know again it goes back to this kind of neoclassical um diminished you know they called
01:00:42it the devil's tritone diminished is like a it's like a one flat five octave right so it's a it's a
01:00:48they call the devil's tritone and people you could you could be you could be uh executed for playing it
01:00:58back in a in a different day right yeah back in the days of you know the witches and stuff right so
01:01:05it's and paganini was another guy that was a you know the violinist paganini you know he was
01:01:11he was like the yngwie of his day um you know on violin and um you know so these these were
01:01:19these were the inspirations of a lot of those songs the musical inspiration yeah i mean it's
01:01:24once again i'm glad that you came through i wanted to celebrate this is a such such a historic album
01:01:30and it had to be talked about today or yes it yesterday or today it has to be so i appreciate you being
01:01:36here and uh man and just besides it being so eerie it's also got one of the most gangsta effing songs
01:01:44ever we talked about that last time that the actual title track like a hitman going to take someone
01:01:50out like that like that's so gangster right there like yeah yeah yeah no it's pretty you know that
01:01:56and same with love to death right you know what i mean and especially that last line you know you know
01:02:02you know the the protagonist you know dies goes to hell thinking that is thinking that his girlfriend's
01:02:09going to be puritanical and then you know what do i see you're down here you know you're down here in
01:02:14hell with me you know what i mean so it's it it just that funny you know they always called it
01:02:21tongue-in-cheek you know which yes i i guess i guess it is but it i guess that's the literary term
01:02:28for it you know but to me there were always these you know kind of flip the script kind of lyric writing
01:02:35where you know you don't know where the story's going it's suspenseful you know very cinematic you know
01:02:41what i mean and and then all of a sudden at the end the the the flip script like you said killing
01:02:45is my business you know the the you know my next my next shot is you you know so it's um you know
01:02:52that and love to death are too like that where you don't expect that to be the ending of the story
01:02:57you know they're kind of they're funny you know yeah no it's it's it's just as i said it aged well
01:03:04and i love listening to it as i've gotten older because i would listen to it when i was so young i
01:03:08didn't know half the stuff except the stuff i didn't really get like i do as i got older you
01:03:12know so it grew with like grew with me excuse me like i'm like oh that's what that means you know
01:03:18i would say great album though man uh congrats 40 years man hopefully we can see you guys together
01:03:25again i miss the two of you guys yeah i know look i miss i miss dave too look some of my some of my
01:03:32favorite some of the best stories of my life begin with then there was the time me and dave
01:03:39fill in the blank you know what i mean because we lived such a you know interesting life you know
01:03:45together it was just you know with that band so you know we haven't talked in a few years but you
01:03:50know i'm like i miss the guy of course you know we had a lot of fun and look anytime we've ever had
01:03:55these gaps like this as soon as we get back together we do we just it's like we just were hanging out
01:04:01yesterday you know so we gotta get these guys back together if you're watching this put in the comments
01:04:06we need dave and david back together let's put it into existence we need to see you two back on
01:04:11stage man we're gonna put all the information in the description box below make sure to follow
01:04:16everything he's doing he's gonna be in a city near you it's a matter of time uh maybe even tomorrow so
01:04:22go check it out and uh thank you as always bro uh anything else you'd like to say before we go
01:04:28no that's it man i was just digging on your uh scary monster yeah yeah man so we got him right
01:04:34here that's frankie man that's frankie my name is frankie right there now i got some artwork here
01:04:40these are from charlie bonanza he did those oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah oh yeah you see metallica
01:04:47because i just was i just seen charlie like a week and a half ago you you caught the metallica uh show
01:04:52show the new one right the new uh i did yep yep i saw him uh in munich last year and then it was on
01:04:59my birthday ironically um it's funny because drew drew's filming a new movie and he had me do uh you'll
01:05:06like it it's a gangster part right so it's it's uh i truly had to act because it's not my normal
01:05:12character so it's fun so drew drew's great with this drew brings me into all this stuff and he's
01:05:16really into uh he and his girlfriend hannah are really you know they're they're big movie buffs
01:05:22and she she's an actress and a director as well so they've been making a lot of movies and stuff so
01:05:28you're asking about the lucid that's one of the you know he's where he's been writing some lucid stuff
01:05:32with vin but also making some movies so bob was back in detroit it was literally my birthday my 59th
01:05:38birthday back in uh uh what was that 23 yeah 29 2023 so um i went over and yeah they were they were
01:05:47it was great man it was super super fun weekend hanging out uh hanging out with those guys yeah
01:05:52i seen on your instagram i was like oh that's i think you had a picture with lars or something
01:05:55yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's fun we basically hung out and closed the venue down you know what i mean
01:06:00so it's and you know you know he's another guy just like the old days it's like it's like no you
01:06:04know when we're you know young and rowdy and he'd come to our shows and we'd all get hammered and you
01:06:11know hang out and trash hotel you know that stuff so you know what i mean it's just it's it's i mean
01:06:16we don't do that anymore but it's it's it's fun you know and even you know the other day i saw gary
01:06:21holt i just went and saw exit i saw him twice i saw him in phoenix and then they were playing um
01:06:27a couple nights ago in uh frankfurt as i was passing through on my way here to poland and so
01:06:31popped in to see and you know it's so great you know seeing that show twice literally in the last
01:06:37month um you know that that show and it was it was great to see them you know they play so good
01:06:43actually this sounds so good i mean they've always been a great band but they were always kind of
01:06:48fun and rowdy and you know now they're they're they're real tight the show the show sounds it sounds
01:06:53expensive is how i put it like which which means it's audio at its best it looks great you know
01:07:00it's actually great yeah it's it's it's great man so gary's just you know i mean look the if you
01:07:08know most of us you know that which didn't kill us only got us sobered up and cleaned up and you know
01:07:15so the exodus guys are totally on point and so uh yeah and that's why again bonded by blood 40th
01:07:22anniversary killings by business 40th anniversary you know again this is the the house that combat that
01:07:27that built the house of combat yeah combat versus mega force records basically in the beginning
01:07:34that's what it was pretty much you know it's funny when i saw that revolver magazine piece and they
01:07:38went down because that you know nuclear assault game over i love that record man that's so
01:07:43fucking good and quite honestly you know like kings of thrash we just put out that song lockdown
01:07:47and that's what i said yeah you know i said that because jeff you know we'd written some songs
01:07:55and you know the thing with writing with a singer is to write in their range and something that's
01:08:00them and jeff said he goes look why don't we just write stuff around chad's voices yeah that's a good
01:08:05idea you know so i said to chad i said dude go write us a couple tunes you know you are a you are the
01:08:10fucking heart of thrash metal uh you really get it you understand it and i said you know let's see what
01:08:16you bring to the table as far as as a writer you know so far you've basically been singing megadeth songs
01:08:21you know so he brought a couple songs and i like lockdown i thought it was cool you know the lyric
01:08:28i think people kind of miss the lyric it's like what's going on i'm not in america today but what's
01:08:32in america right now i mean i mean the lockdown you know he even like even said he goes oh my god this
01:08:38lyric is like prophetic i said that's the hallmark of a great fucking metal song you know and you write
01:08:45something like you know you know we wrote holy wars who knew you know what they said to go no
01:08:51there's no way you didn't know that that was a banger when you recorded that you guys were really like
01:08:57lockdown it's the same thing you know what i mean it is like what's just what's going on you know
01:09:02holy wars is incredible holy wars is arguably one of the greatest metal songs ever like ever well and i
01:09:08think the thing of it is when you write songs like that topics are so universal they're just timeless
01:09:14because you know you're writing songs about people and the behavior of people and and while the times
01:09:20may change people never do you know what i mean it's like these things just keep coming back around
01:09:25and i think that's what's so cool about metal is we write about topics like that that that can be
01:09:30daunting and scary but it's just it's just the behavior of human beings you know what i mean so
01:09:37you know so it's it's history repeats itself that's why holy wars is still relevant sadly you know
01:09:44it's crazy i mean it's relevant right now you know yeah for sure yeah it's great this world is crazy
01:09:52man you know that so well i don't want to keep any more of your time man um i appreciate you so much
01:09:58man like always um once again follow everything that david is doing and uh thank you brother we out of
01:10:05here man okay buddy rock and roll bro thanks for your time
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