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La trilogie Pusher de Nicolas Winding Refn, dans une version restaurée 4K, le 9 juillet au cinéma

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04:56Vous avez des fantômes, et j'aime l'extrême,
04:59donc j'ai pensé que je vais partir de l'autre à l'autre.
05:02Et je pense que j'ai travaillé dans le fantôme,
05:04ça a été beaucoup de fun.
05:06Donc j'ai décidé de faire Pusher 4 quelques années,
05:11mais comme un show de TV,
05:12et ça s'est devenu Copenhagen Cowboy,
05:14qui est vraiment Pusher 4.
05:16Il a des mêmes personnages et des mêmes mondes,
05:20mais je n'étais pas plus intéressé
05:24dans la manière dont j'ai eu l'habitude,
05:26parce que social media dominait cette narrative maintenant.
05:30Tout est accessible, et la plupart du tout est réel,
05:35ou à l'aise peut être très réel,
05:37capturé de moment à moment,
05:39et c'est très efficace, et je ne peux pas faire ça.
05:43Mais ce que je peux faire, c'est que je peux manipuler
05:46ça dans mon propre version.
05:48C'est fantôme, et c'est que je me suis plus intéressé.
05:51J'ai perdu la peur de vivre dans le vrai monde,
05:56et d'être plus excitée par stepping dans le théâtre,
06:02le space de l'unreality, comme un stage.
06:05Et donc, c'est comme l'évolution.
06:09Qu'est-ce que tu veux faire ?
06:12Je pense que si les directeurs veulent retourner
06:15et changer leurs films, je suis sûr qu'il y a une raison.
06:18Je n'ai pas besoin de faire.
06:20Je n'ai jamais eu la liberté de faire
06:23pour faire le film que je voulais faire.
06:25Donc, il n'y a rien à changer.
06:27J'ai quand même regardé.
06:29Donc, une fois que j'ai fait quelque chose,
06:31j'ai été ostracisé dans mon corps.
06:33Il n'est plus en moi.
06:36Il n'y a pas à changer, il n'y a rien à changer.
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06:59Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
07:29Directly from me at bynwr.com
07:32I'll sign your box set and send it off to you
07:36I am, yeah, I'm a huge fan of 4K
07:40Like, I love 4K
07:42I think 4K is, like, amazing
07:45Because so many films can be rewatched with even better quality
07:50And who doesn't want that, you know
07:53So it's kind of like a new layer of the new normal for me
07:58So I decided to do all my films in 4K
08:01Slowly rolling them out, you know
08:03I think cinema and television for that matter
08:10Has had a very tough time in the last 10 years or so
08:1410, 15 years
08:15Gaming, social media, VR, canvases are exploding
08:20And they're constantly evolving
08:22Because technology is allowing them to evolve
08:24Movies and television
08:26TV is becoming more and more just content
08:30That you almost look at while you're doing other things
08:33And movies are still that window of exclusivity
08:37Of the collective experience
08:39But I think that movies also need to re-evaluate themselves
08:44I remember when we were in Cannes for Only God Forgives
08:47And I, after everyone had been booing me for so long
08:51That during my stay
08:53I did say, look, you can be angry with me and about my film
08:58But I am from the future
09:01And I'm going to make something that's going to predict
09:03What it's going to be like
09:05If you want to make films in the future
09:07And I was right
09:09Because right after Only God Forgives
09:11The industry changed because of Netflix
09:13Netflix was the game changer
09:15And it changed not so much what we were making
09:18But it's how we experienced film and content, essentially
09:23How we viewed it
09:24And I think that to justify or for a movie to exist in longevity
09:29You have to see what a film can become
09:33Rather than what it used to be
09:34Violence is like sex
09:38It's all about the build-up
09:40Bang, bang, and then it's to the other wall
09:43Now make it dirty, unique, interesting
09:45Never seen before in violence
09:46I'm not that strategic
09:52But I will say that
09:54Everything is an evolution of something
09:57And there can be a tendency
10:00When something is liked
10:03That everyone wants the same, same
10:07But I don't necessarily think that's true
10:09It's better to give them something else
10:12Or something different
10:13Or something that destroys your past
10:16In order to make something new
10:19To transition
10:20You know, obviously the two films are very different
10:23But what ties them is
10:25Myself and Ryan's interaction
10:28However, I find that interesting
10:30It's like taking something and turning it on its head
10:34It's taking the ultimate superhero in one movie
10:37And emasculating him in the next
10:39It's taking one movie that's very poppy
10:42And another movie that's very esoteric
10:45And that, I think, is what makes the world interesting
10:50Is that things can become different
10:52It can evolve into other components
10:55Rather than just always staying in the same repeat lane
10:59Because you very quickly run out of steam
11:02In my opinion
11:03I was very happy
11:05But obviously, you know
11:07A lot of harsh reactions
11:09And a lot of booing and screaming
11:12But then I was like
11:13That's kind of cool
11:15Because then you're like
11:16Sex pistols of cinema
11:18You know, you're like
11:19The one everyone throws bottles at
11:21But you can't deny it existence
11:23You can't really criticize it
11:25Because I did it my way
11:27The world will see it
11:29As it continues to evolve
11:31And you just have to be
11:33You have to just to be
11:34Trust yourself
11:35So you never lose your vision
11:36When you have that strong reaction?
11:39No, on the contrary
11:39You're like
11:40It's like energy
11:41It's like
11:42Just wait for the next one
11:43I love that
11:44I'm like you
11:45I have no regrets
11:47About Only God Forgives
11:48I think it's a masterpiece
11:49And it is
11:49I just didn't make it
11:51Very expensive
11:52Is there a doctor in the house?
11:54We need to get a medic in here
11:57Is there a doctor around?
12:00When you were mentioning
12:012001
12:02I said, you forgot to add Drive
12:04We'll let that slip
12:06We won't know about Drive
12:08For another 30 years
12:0930 seconds
12:10Whether it lives or dies
12:12I'm talking about films
12:132001 was made in 1968
12:17I made this film
12:19About 4 years ago
12:20So it's about time
12:204 years is a zip
12:21It's not even a blip
12:23It's not a pimple
12:25On the asshole of humanity
12:28What was funny about
12:29Talking to Billy Freakin
12:30Was that it was
12:31He had a man
12:33Who had struggled a lot
12:34In Hollywood
12:35And started very successfully
12:39At a young age
12:40And then gone into
12:42Sorceress
12:43And was still traumatized
12:47By that experience
12:48After so many years
12:49And I think that was
12:50What was so sad
12:51In a way
12:52That it had such an effect
12:54On him
12:54It was a little bit like
12:55Michael Cimino
12:56Doing Heaven's Gate
12:57These amazing films
12:59Both Sorceress
13:01And Heaven's Gate
13:02Are probably their best films
13:04For some reason
13:05Get so destroyed
13:07And then they lose sight
13:09Of themselves
13:10Or they lose their confidence
13:12And it affects
13:12All the other movies
13:14They make afterwards
13:15And I was like
13:16I'm never going to be like that
13:17Because I'm right
13:19You're wrong
13:19I mean I've done two shows
13:26One with Amazon
13:27One with Netflix
13:27And I like what I was making
13:30Obviously
13:30But I don't know
13:32How much I want to continue
13:36I may want to take a break
13:38And go and make movies again
13:41I've decided to do more
13:42Visual arts
13:44You know
13:45And trying to find other areas
13:49Of creativity
13:50But I think it's time
13:52To go make a film again
13:53You said you work on two shows
13:55But you work on
13:55The Famous Five
13:56Or something
13:57The Famous Five
13:58Was a television show
14:00That I just
14:01How do you say
14:02Executive produced
14:03Or created
14:04But I had no
14:05Involvement in it
14:06Otherwise
14:07I just created
14:08The kind of
14:08Concept and the story
14:10Based on these
14:11Very famous books
14:12The Famous Five
14:13Was more because
14:13My kids would read the books
14:15When they were young
14:16I remember my mother
14:17Reading me the books
14:18So it was more
14:19Like a past history thing
14:21That came up
14:22As an opportunity
14:23Well I mean
14:28If something is interesting
14:29You know
14:30Why not look at it
14:31I've had some wonderful
14:32Meetings in Hollywood
14:33Met wonderful people
14:35But in the end
14:36I like my freedom
14:37That's all I really want
14:39Is just to be free
14:40When you work in Hollywood
14:42There is a contract
14:44Some people love that
14:45And can work within that
14:47I
14:47It's maybe not
14:49So much my thing
14:50Right now
14:51But who knows
14:51Maybe next year
14:52I'll do a big
14:53You know
14:55Big superhero movie
14:56That could be fun
14:59Maybe
14:59I don't know
14:59I'm pretty open
15:00To anything
15:01But at the same time
15:02At the end
15:03You should just
15:04Make what makes you happy
15:05It's one thing
15:06It's one thing
15:06Having creative control
15:08Which is easier enough
15:10But it's where
15:11All the money
15:12That's invested
15:13Puts a burden on you
15:15Because all that money
15:17Has to get recouped
15:19And then you have to make
15:20A certain type of movie
15:21You don't have the freedom
15:22To do whatever you want
15:23Because you're
15:24You're a slave
15:25To the economics
15:26If your film costs
15:28200 million dollars
15:29Or 100 million dollars
15:30You need to make
15:31300, 400 million dollars
15:32To break even
15:33That already puts a strain
15:34On what kind of movie
15:35Can you make
15:36And I don't want
15:37Any conditions
15:39On me
15:39At all
15:41You have to be
15:42Completely free
15:43I mean in the beginning
15:49A lot of people
15:49Were talking about
15:50Another drive
15:51But it was like
15:52That would be
15:53The worst idea
15:54I've ever heard of
15:55So never?
15:56Never
15:57I've been very lucky
16:07To live
16:07A fun life
16:09And
16:10It has nothing
16:12To do with fame
16:13You realize
16:15Very quickly
16:16It has
16:17That I've had
16:18Opportunities
16:19And I've been able
16:20To work with people
16:21I've met people
16:23I've spoken with people
16:24And
16:25It's all been
16:26A lot of fun
16:27But I think
16:28When I started
16:29The idea of being seen
16:32Was very essential
16:33The idea of fame
16:34And fame being
16:36It's like an opportunity
16:38It's like a stage
16:39One thing is becoming famous
16:41The next
16:42What are you going to do with it?
16:43And obviously
16:44It's like anything
16:45It's an opportunity
16:46I don't get to know
16:50You've got to know
16:51You don't get to know
16:51You have to know
16:52You can always work
16:53I've got to know
16:54I've got to know
16:54You've got to know
16:55I've got to know
16:56Nous devons être ici à Bangkok pendant 6 mois.
17:00Il faut faire ses prochaines films, et j'ai dit oui pour le processus de film.
17:04C'est important que nous sommes avec lui, quand il filme.
17:09Lui, quand il a fait Drive, j'ai eu venu à Danemark avec les enfants.
17:13J'ai pris 10 mois, et c'était trop difficile d'être à l'autre.
17:18Dans la vie quotidienne, j'ai eu une routine, je me réveille, je fais deux heures de sport chaque jour.
17:27J'ai généralement hâte de manger, j'ai été éveillé par mes enfants.
17:33J'ai travaillé à la nuit, et j'ai essayé de ne pas d'y dormir trop tard.
17:39Et puis, Friday arrive, et c'est le week-end, et j'essaye de relaxer un peu, et le prochain jour, c'est le lendemain.
17:47J'ai regardé beaucoup de films quand j'étais plus jeune, mais maintenant, c'est plus dur et plus dur.
17:54Il y a d'autres choses que je trouve intéressantes.
17:56Comme quoi ?
17:58J'ai fait ma première exposition qui s'ouvre à Tokyo, et ça a été beaucoup de plaisir.
18:04Une collaboration avec Hideo Kojima ?
18:06Oui.
18:07Pouvez-vous parler de ça ?
18:08J'ai créé une exposition qui s'ouvre à Friday, la semaine dernière,
18:15en Tokyo, où j'ai créé cette installation entre nous.
18:20J'ai vu ma femme et ma fille dans la procession.
18:23Hé, c'est moi !
18:26Je suis un Harte Man, et Harte Man est toujours dans la situation de Death Stranding.
18:47Et tu es dans Death Stranding aussi ?
18:51Je suis Heart Man, et Heart Man est toujours dans Death Stranding.
19:00Je pense que je ne crois pas tout ce que tu lis sur le Internet.
19:04Tu peux nous dire quelque chose ?
19:06Je crois tout ce que tu lis sur le Internet.
19:17Vous allez voir un beau film ?
19:49Et tu es dans Dénormie !
19:53Je crois que je suis Pays de Dénormie !
20:03C'est parti !
20:09Et tu es dans les�...