هوکسترا هشدار می‌دهد که سیاست ترامپ «ضربه بزرگی» به تلاش‌های اقلیمی است

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هوکسترا هشدار می‌دهد که سیاست ترامپ «ضربه بزرگی» به تلاش‌های اقلیمی است  ووپکه هوکسترا، کمیسر اتحادیه اروپا در حوزه اقلیم، در مصاحبه با یورونیوز گفت: عقب‌نشینی ایالات متحده از تعهدات اقلیمی در دوران دولت ترامپ «عواقب قابل توجهی» برای کره زمین خواهد داشت.  لب بیشتر : http://parsi.euronews.com/2025/07/10/hoekstra-warns-trump-policy-is-a-major-blow-to-climate-efforts  مشترک شوید: یورونیوز به یازده زبان دیگر در دسترس شماست

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00:00Welcome to the Europe Conversation. My guest this week is the EU Commissioner for Climate,

00:12Clean Growth and Net Zero, Wubke Hustra. He says that while global warming is a man-made problem,

00:19the response has to be balanced with the interests of industry.

00:24Well, Wubke Hustra, EU Commissioner for Climate and Clean Growth. Thank you very much for joining

00:29us on the Europe Conversation. Thank you for having me. We're here because a few days ago the EU

00:34announced its targets for 2040 by cutting greenhouse emissions by 90%. Can you tell us,

00:40do you think that the EU can actually do that, given that so many member states, in particular

00:44France, are looking for flexibilities? I think we can, and I think we should, if we manage to make

00:51sure this is a huge opportunity also for our businesses. By the way, that is precisely where

00:56France and others are asking for, and rightly so. This is not just about climate, it is as much about

01:03exposing us to future economic success and making sure we create more independence and never again

01:11become dependent on rogue states like Russia for something as important as our energy.

01:17And then one of the issues, one of the flexibilities, which is sort of people are talking about the most,

01:20is this idea of a carbon credit, where other countries, the EU pays other countries to cut

01:25their carbon emissions. There are real concerns about this around accountability, whether it will

01:32work, whether it's cost effective, whether we're not redirecting money in the EU, which could be

01:36invested in the EU's own carbon emission reduction schemes. Yeah, but let's be clear-eyed about what we're

01:44doing. The vast amount of effort and also money will be spent on clean tech, will be spent on batteries,

01:52on solar, on wind, on geothermal, all sorts of technologies that will help push for more economic growth

01:58and more jobs in Europe. That's one. Secondly, and next to that, if it is more cost-effective for our own companies

02:06to make sure that they go for part of the solution and part of the emission reductions outside of

02:13Europe, this is exactly what is opening the door for getting that. So it's not going to be mandatory

02:18and companies will only go there if it is cost-effective. Even the EU, the European Scientific Advisory Board

02:24on Climate Change has advised against this and also saying that those countries, often developing countries,

02:30won't meet their climate targets under a Paris accord because of this. Well, I think actually it's something

02:35different than also the advisory board. The scientists are telling us something different.

02:40They in itself like the idea of carbon credits and doing exactly this. They're just saying it should

02:47not be part of the 90 percent, it should be on top of it. So that, I think, is an extremely important

02:52distinction. Secondly, in this hugely complicated geopolitical world, there is a lot of value also for

02:59us in building more bridges with our friends in Africa and Latin America and other places. And this is

03:05something they're advocating for. This is something they like. They have, they often lack the capital,

03:11they often lack the opportunity. Wouldn't it be great if our companies actually build these bridges,

03:17make money and manage this problem and help to basically drive down emissions at the same time?

03:25But is it not the case that those countries, their economic growth may be slowed because they have

03:29to take into account their own carbon emissions as well as the ones they're receiving money for from

03:33the European Union? Whereas the EU can then just pursue economic growth without impeded?

03:38So the presumption that underlies your question suggests actually that, you know, there is some

03:45sort of a discrepancy between between on the one hand economic growth and on the other hand climate

03:51action. And our job is to make sure that we continue with climate action, but do so in a way

03:58that works for our people, works for our companies and works for our economy. Personally, I think that is

04:03very much doable, but we need to make sure that on top of this setting this target, we have the

04:09conversation about how European companies are going to be the winners of the future in cleantech,

04:15how we are much stricter about a level playing field that is fair to our companies rather than that

04:21they face unfair competition, particularly from China. How do we make sure we make life much simpler

04:26for our businesses? Because frankly speaking, we have made it too complicated.

04:29I suppose just one of the issues around this is that there's an anxiety that this is just another

04:35element of chipping away at the Green Deal. I mean, we look at the Commission, for example,

04:39well, potentially getting rid of, I don't know if it is or not, the corporate greenwashing

04:44legislation. I mean, what is the position on that?

04:46Let's look into this specific proposal, what it is. On the one hand, it is clearly ambitious because of

04:54the true north it sets in terms of action. That helps, by the way, also for our companies because

05:00it gives predictability on where the European Union wants to go. And indeed, it offers flexibility and

05:07I would say pragmatism in part of the design.

05:10Another part of it as well is the legislation around deforestation, the nature restoration law,

05:15something that the EPP, your own political group, me again, was heralding as one of the most important

05:21pieces of the Green Deal and then wanted to reject an end. Can you understand why people

05:25are anxious about this direction?

05:28Again, what we need to make sure is that we become less one-dimensional in the whole conversation about

05:34climate and about all the topics related to this. We need to go all in in the domain of

05:41decarbonisation. And we need to do so for reasons of climate change, for reasons of industrial

05:48survival and success, and for reasons of independence. And if we are able to find that nexus of climate

05:56action, clean technology and industrial growth, I am very sure that we have a recipe that will

06:03work for everyone in the European Union.

06:05But just specifically, can you understand why people are anxious that one minute we have this

06:10Green Deal, when we have a biodiversity collapse at the moment, and then the EPP saying, actually,

06:15let's scrap that. And then similarly with deforestation, and similarly with this.

06:20Let's take stock of the fact that this is the largest transition in energy that we have seen

06:26in more than 100 years. Our true north is clear. It is absolutely clear where we want to go.

06:32It is also smart to be flexible on the how, to be pragmatic and look at what works.

06:37If it doesn't work, you will need to course-correct. And I think it is much smarter, and our citizens

06:44understand, to then do that and just, you know, continue with something that apparently

06:48didn't work.

06:49So with nature restoration, what would be the alternative? Because when you're looking at

06:53literally a biodiversity collapse?

06:55What we need to build, in my view, is a system where taking care of our forests also works

07:02economically, where there is a business case also for all the foresters that are doing

07:07a great job. That has all sorts of consequences for the longevity of certain trees. That has

07:13all sorts of consequences for the biodiversity in our forests. That's not easy, certainly

07:18not with the state in which our forests are today. But I think we can do better.

07:23You've said in the past a few times that you don't see global warming as a political issue.

07:26It shouldn't be, at least. But obviously it is, because you look at the European Parliament

07:30that has moved very much to the right, even the EPP, when it comes to the climate issue.

07:35And some member states, the likes of the Prime Minister of Italy, saying, you know, it's

07:39ideological, the issue of global warming.

07:42So first, just to be crystal clear, the problem of climate change is there. It is man-made,

07:49and it will become worse before it gets better, particularly in Europe. The world is warming

07:54up roughly with 1.5 degrees by now. Europe is at twice that number. We're talking about

07:58three degrees. The impact on our societies, on our people, on our businesses, on our communities,

08:05in terms of floods, in terms of wildfires, is very, very significant. On top of that,

08:11the economic impact is easily between 50 and 100 billion, and that number will only go up.

08:17So there is a clear imperative, and in my view also a responsibility for politicians, to make

08:23sure our people are not in harm's way, and we do something about it.

08:28What about the fact that the United States is also off the pitch when it comes to the fight

08:32against global warming? One of the first things, obviously, Donald Trump did was to withdraw from

08:36the Paris Climate Accord, and we see the policies enacted.

08:40Well, that is clearly deeply unfortunate, and a major blow to international effort. Earlier on,

08:46in the interview, I was saying that climate change doesn't discriminate. It doesn't matter

08:51for the heating up of the planet where CO2 is being pumped into the air. And if then the second

08:59largest emitter, the most formidable power across the globe in geopolitical terms, and the largest

09:04economy basically says, well, thanks but no thanks, we no longer play ball, that is, of course,

09:10something that has very significant consequences. At the same time, my read is that you will see

09:16in the US that whenever an investment in, for example, cleantech pays off, and as a side

09:23effect is also something that is good for climate, businesses are not going to stop it.

09:27Yeah, do you think that could be an upshot for the European Union? Because we saw the likes

09:32of Draghi and others have said that innovation can't thrive in the European Union, but it can

09:37do in the United States. But maybe, do you think that the EU could make an effort to try

09:42to bring a lot of that back, a specific effort, not just a sort of an accidental one where

09:46they decide themselves?

09:47Our quest for innovation, our objective is much more fundamental, and we need to reshape

09:54the landscape in such a way that innovation can flourish across Europe. And that will take

10:00huge steps in terms of the capital markets union. That will take way more investments from

10:05businesses and governments alike in tech and in AI. And that also will take simplification.

10:11And by the way, as I said before, making sure there is a level playing field where our companies

10:17face competition, but fair competition and not heavily state subsidized competition from China.

10:23Is the EU about to meet that moment?

10:25Absolutely. Absolutely. And but the one thing I will say is we will need considerable speed

10:32going forward. And that is exactly what this commission seeks to deliver.

10:35And final question. The EU is obviously pursuing trade across the world outside the United States

10:41because of the ongoing trade war. But in the past, the EU has said that any new trade agreements

10:46will have to have very strong stipulations about protecting the environment and so on.

10:50Do you think that those might fall by the wayside in pursuit of trade deals to ensure that

10:55we have proper economic growth?

10:57No, I don't. And Mercosur is one of the great examples of that. That's exactly the

11:02type of deal that we seek. It opens up a huge market for our companies. By the way,

11:07it is also hugely attractive for our friends in Latin America. And it has clear prerequisites

11:12also in the domain of climate and of the environment.

11:17But the farmers who are in government in the Netherlands, who are obviously in a

11:20and the government has collapsed, but they're still in a government there. They are not happy

11:25with Mercosur.

11:26I have a different read. And if you would ask also the agri commissioner, Hansen, he will

11:32be the first to articulate to you that particularly also for our own sector, there is a huge opportunity

11:38that on top of that, he has been and the commission has been taken mitigating measures to make sure

11:45it is fair for everyone. And that is also the reason why, at least in my read, this is so

11:50broadly supported across member states.

11:52Okay, Commissioner, thank you very much for joining us.

11:54Your conversation.

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