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Steve Hackett - The Story Behind Wolflight | Louder
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7/7/2025
Steve Hackett on the making and ideas behind Wolflight, his 2015 album that he called "my proudest moment".
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Genesis
00:18
always was a hard act to follow and I've always been aware of that. I think for all the guys in
00:24
the band that's been the case. You know, whether you have individual hits or whatever, there's
00:29
always that sort of, it's a bit like the mothership, isn't it? You know, when I write a song I think
00:35
would this have passed muster with the other guys, you know, would Phil have liked it rhythmically,
00:40
would Tony have liked it harmonically, would it have worked for Mike, would it have worked
00:45
with Pete lyrically and, you know, you have all of that and but at the same time of course you want
00:52
to do your own thing and, you know, I just thought, yeah, I've really got to push the envelope
00:59
harmonically with this, you know, it's got to be as good as some of those things that I've listened
01:03
to. It's got to be as good as Grieg, it's got to be as good as Tchaikovsky, you know, it's got to be
01:09
as good as that first day when I worked with Phil in the rehearsal room with the band. He started
01:14
playing me something, I said, sounds fantastic and he said, oh, that's Rego Starr's drum solo off of,
01:21
what's the one, Abbey Road and I always remembered that and I thought, you know, I want to do something
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like that, that's a little bit like Keith Moon, isn't it, you know, so it's got the bass drum
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going but it's like, it's like doing fills all around that so we had the Wolves at the beginning
01:37
singing away and a frozen reverb note of that so they hit a seventh and then the drums come in
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and then it's band kicking in and the orchestra and choir and everything.
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Every time I've done an album I've always thought, well, I need to get orchestral perspectives
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in here but how do we enlarge everything and even if you've got a real orchestra on it or
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you've got, you know, several people tracked up, it's quite hard to not have the orchestra
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impoverished by the group because groups make a big noise but there's this area of
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marcato stuff where they're playing with the edge of the bow and reinforcing some of the
02:52
bass things with brass so that it's not just the sort of, the kind of definition of bass
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end that when you get a great bass player with a really extraordinary sound like Chris Squire
03:08
who's on the album, there's this thing that orchestras, they have a more amorphous bass
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end, it's not dependent on great speakers and sharp definition, it's more than that.
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So I wanted to get that idea of infinite bass so we stacked up a lot of that, you know, we
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have more than one thing playing basses, you know, I mean I think on one track we had about,
03:36
you know, 20 different things all doing bass. There's a lot of things on it that shouldn't really
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work. Orchestras with rock groups shouldn't really work, you know, because they're not supposed to be
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as percussing. And I wanted it to sound like an expanded rock band but not just an expanded rock
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band that sounded like it had an orchestra with it but also with world music instruments as well.
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So the Arabian Ud, the didgeridoo, the deduk, the tar from Azerbaijan, all these various things that help to expand it a bit, you know.
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Of course.
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Of course.
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I mean, I mean, I made it Prinzip for the hard part of you, and I can't wait for it.
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So for sure.
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And, like, everyone, you can tell me that what, what you want to do?
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You can tell me that a bit about it and the little one to be the director.
04:24
You can tell me that I'm not supposed to be the first.
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You can tell me that I haven't tried coming at it, and I could remember that, with me, I haven't sad it
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that any thing that I already had an order and I remembered.
04:32
Then I can't wait for it but if I have a bit of an effort.
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You can tell me that It'll never take my time out.
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You can tell me that I can say that I'm a little bit better and I can't even appreciate it and I'll cut you that and I'll say it.
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Working with these other instruments that I'm not familiar with, working with Malik Mansirov,
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who plays the tar, the tar, small stringed instrument with sympathetic strings, same
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family of instruments as the guitar and the sitar, and Malik from Azerbaijan, where 50
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the people are still nomadic, I believe. He's a little bit like, he's got the speed of
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John McLaughlin and, in a way, the mysticism of Ravi Shankar. He's incredible. And of course,
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the other instruments that might be less familiar to people, the Arabian Ud. I bought that
05:25
in London. It's a fretless lute. I learned to play it a little bit. I'm not the level of
05:31
virtuoso on it that Malik is on the tar. But I took some things from him, the idea of playing
05:39
on one string, more things on one string than you would normally do in sliding and so on.
05:45
Dust and Dreams, that kicks off. Some of these world instruments, they often set the scene
05:51
before the song starts. It's almost as if when Malik is playing on the beginning of War
05:57
Flight. You've got almost like the flickering flames of a campfire. You know, the kind of music
06:05
that they might have played at one time when they just sat around to entertain themselves.
06:09
And I wanted to get an aspect of that. A little bit like different relay teams. So you've got the world
06:15
music musicians. You've got the aspect of folk songs. So, you know, at times I wanted to delve back as far as
06:23
Peter Paul and Mary. I wanted to have that. But then I wanted to have rock as well. You know, the edge of that
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and then whatever orchestra could do on top of that. It's my proudest moment, to be honest, you know, this album.
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The album is a song. It's my favorite song. It's my favorite song. It's my favorite song. It's my favorite song.
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It's my favorite song. It's my favorite song. It's my favorite song. It's my favorite song. It's my favorite song.
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