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00:00Hi guys, it's me Tasneem Lokman and I'm here with Amira Aisyah.
00:06She is, I guess if you guys don't know, you guys have been living under a rock
00:10but she is the Deputy Acting President of Muda and also the Deputy President of Muda
00:15and she is also the Assemblywoman for Puteri Wangsa in Johor.
00:21You guys, that's in Johor. If you guys don't know, you stay in Johor baru?
00:24Betul.
00:24Okay.
00:25Alright, orang Johor dengan kita hari ini.
00:27Yeah.
00:27Alright, guys, before anything else, I think, I know we're all talking about the Peaceful Assembly Act
00:32and we're talking about Ame Scott case today and stuff.
00:35But, but, but, but, but, but, but, the most important thing I'm going to ask is about your wedding with Lokman.
00:45Okay, can you just like spill us some tea on how you guys got together, we're shifted, we're party, we're sama.
00:52Oh my god, I'm, I sound like a gossip person, I'm sorry.
00:55Okay, please start.
00:57Well, we've known each other, actually, I've known, I've known him since I was 15 years old.
01:0415.
01:04Yeah, because we were both debaters.
01:06Okay.
01:07And then I had a, I was in a tournament when he was 17 and I developed a school girl crush.
01:14Oh my god, cute.
01:16But he didn't notice or recognize me.
01:18And then we were in university together, but nothing, nothing really happened.
01:24And then when we started working together, I think that was when we realized that our vibes match and we have a lot of similarities and we enjoyed spending time together.
01:36And most importantly, I think, it wasn't, it wasn't like a, oh, tiba-tiba, I pun macam gossiping.
01:42And it wasn't like a, oh, heart-dropping, like, oh wow, I, I, 100% fell in love kind of thing.
01:49It's more of like slow, steady, yeah.
01:52Slow burn.
01:53Very, very warm.
01:55Oh, nice.
01:55Yeah, rather than like electric shock.
01:58I know, yeah.
01:59So like, how, like, how old is he?
02:01Like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I don't know Loman's age, guys.
02:04But like, generally, like, when you had a crush on him, like, was he like a senior ke macam mana?
02:09Yeah, we had, there was a debate competition.
02:12I was 15, he was 17.
02:13Oh, okay.
02:14So we were, again, masih di sekolah.
02:16Masih di sekolah.
02:17But I was from a different school.
02:18He was from MRSM.
02:19Okay.
02:20So we had a tournament and then I, my school was severely defeated.
02:25It's okay.
02:25He's an amazing debater.
02:27So I, more to like, admired him.
02:30So even when I went into university, we went to the same university.
02:32Sadiq went to the same university as well.
02:34Are you UIA?
02:35Yeah.
02:35Alumni!
02:37I call.
02:39Okay, I banal.
02:39Okay.
02:41Did the theater banal?
02:42Yeah, unfortunately.
02:43Yes, I am.
02:45Proudly am.
02:45Okay.
02:46So then, I still recognize him and I still admire his debate skills, et cetera, et cetera.
02:52But as I mentioned, nothing serious happened.
02:54Until we were working together.
02:56Okay.
02:56Yeah.
02:57And then, and then when he resigned from the party was when we decided that we do not
03:06want to both be in a leadership position.
03:10Okay.
03:10If we are to get married.
03:11Okay.
03:12And so, you know, he resigned from the party leadership position and that's when we decided
03:17to take the next step.
03:18Did he resign?
03:20Because he said he promised if he didn't win.
03:22Yeah, yeah.
03:22So was that just an excuse?
03:24No.
03:25He resigned and that's when we decided it's time to take the next step into this relationship.
03:30It's like fate showing the path.
03:31Yeah.
03:32Kind of.
03:33Anugerah Tuhan.
03:34Alhamdulillah.
03:35So like now, it's almost one year, almost, almost one year dah.
03:38Tanya.
03:40Handling a marriage is not easy especially in a leadership position.
03:44And also partly you are the people's, people?
03:47People's rap?
03:48People's rap, yeah.
03:50Actually, okay.
03:51I've always wanted to ask this.
03:52How is it as a politician, also having a husband and trying to juggle marriage and stuff?
03:58Like how is it for you?
03:59Well, I think for myself because I don't have kids yet.
04:02So it's still not that difficult in comparison to those who have kids, who have to go through
04:07pregnancy, who have to go through childbirth.
04:09I think they've had a much tougher time.
04:11But I'm also really, really grateful that Lokman himself is a very understanding man.
04:16He knows what the job entails.
04:18He knows what kind of things that I have to do as the people's representative.
04:23He knows that I have to be in Putriwangsa a lot and not in Kuala Lumpur with him.
04:28So there is a huge mutual respect and understanding of each other's work.
04:33And he is, until today, still my biggest supporter.
04:38And I mean, he was my campaign manager when I was contesting.
04:42So he sort of gave me the win.
04:44So all that accumulated, I think, especially as women in this kind of position, it's so
04:51important to find a partner who's willing to let you shine without feeling like their
04:57ego is challenged.
04:59And that's a huge thing in a society like us.
05:03You're just like spitting out facts, man.
05:04Like, I think we can see that in a lot of examples.
05:08Like, I'm not going to name names.
05:11But like, politically, you don't want, you know, you don't want someone who deems your
05:17shine, you know.
05:17So you want someone who allows you to be out there.
05:21Yeah.
05:21And like, how do you feel finding the right guy?
05:25Because I know a lot of women are having a hard time finding the right guy who supports
05:28them 100% and understands them 100%.
05:31I think definitely, as I mentioned, like, the fact that we started off as friends, as
05:37really good friends, so that we already know each other, he and we've worked together.
05:43So, I mean, if you've been able to sort of like work together, that's already a huge
05:48challenge.
05:49He's seen me at my worst even before we became romantically involved because he's seen me
05:59in party meetings, he's seen me during preparation of protests and all those kind of things.
06:05And so I think finding somebody who can understand you and can compliment you is something that
06:12is really, really important to not be carried away by, like, excitement of like the, sometimes
06:19there's this like, like, temporary butterflies in the stomach kind of thing.
06:23To not be carried away by that, but understand what do you need in your life and how can
06:31your partner help you to go with, to go through with that and also how you can help your partner
06:36with what he wants in your, his life.
06:38It sounds like a typical marriage, but I'm strong.
06:40Then someone who can like, oh, I think you jangan buka Twitter di lukul sebab hari ni macam banyak
06:50attack.
06:50You need to calm down first and be mentally prepared to go online.
06:55Oh my God, that must be so stressful.
06:57But he makes it a lot easier.
06:59So, yeah.
07:00Okay, nice.
07:01So, like, nak rahsia satu benda je, you suka masak apa?
07:04Ooh, I actually really enjoy cooking.
07:07Cooking is my love language.
07:09But I think one of the things that he really loves, and this is something that I asyik
07:14masak sebab dia suka, is super simple, which is telur masak kicam.
07:18Oh my God, nice.
07:19Nice, nice.
07:19So, I want to experiment other things, but he was like, oh, boleh tak?
07:22Okay, boleh buat yang tu, but can you also make the telur masak kicam?
07:25Like, okay.
07:25Okay, ni bukan nak kecam feminism or whatever.
07:28It's just sometimes people just like to cook, right?
07:30I was hoping you'd say, like, Luqman suka masak apa juga.
07:32Well, Luqman suka masak nasi lemak, tapi...
07:37Nice, that's hard.
07:38Yeah, but when I'm around, I like to cook.
07:40Okay.
07:41I personally enjoy cooking, and I feel that that's an unwind moment for me.
07:45Yeah, I agree.
07:46Yeah, I definitely agree.
07:47Yeah, to each their own, you know.
07:48Yeah.
07:49Kalau tak suka masak pun tak apa.
07:50Sakit.
07:51I have, I live, I grew up with people not liking cooking, so it's fine.
07:54It's fine.
07:55But cooking is like a therapy in a way.
07:57Betul, betul, betul.
07:58I hate, I hate cleaning up.
08:00Yeah, oh my God.
08:00So, he does that.
08:01I hate doing laundry, he does that.
08:02Blessed.
08:03Yeah, I just like cooking.
08:05Nice.
08:06Actually, cooking is like your experiment, you know.
08:08Yeah, yeah, yeah.
08:09Okay, so before, okay, thank you so much for giving an, you know, like, an insight on
08:13your life, kan.
08:13So, let's go head on.
08:15Like, today, pagi tadi, Amir Abdul Hadi was in court.
08:20Yeah.
08:20Peaceful Assembly Act.
08:21Yeah.
08:21What happened?
08:22Okay, you know what, like, I somewhat understand, but it's super detailed, because there's
08:27like parts of it and stuff, and what caused it, and blah, blah, blah, blah.
08:30And I'm pretty sure a lot of people want to understand it in your own, in their own
08:34language as well.
08:35Yeah.
08:35Untuk orang muda, especially.
08:36Pun intended.
08:37Okay, please go ahead and explain.
08:39Well, actually, the case originated from a protest that was done when Amir was still
08:45the Secretary General of Muda, and it was done with Muda together.
08:49It was a protest called Mana Kapal LCS.
08:52Okay.
08:52So, if you guys remember the protest, it was to question the government of what happens
08:58to the 9 billion ringgit cost of literal combat ship that was supposed to be delivered,
09:05but that only satu kapal siap, and the rest kapal tak siap.
09:08Betul.
09:08So, the question that we asked is Mana Kapal LCS.
09:10So, the protest was done in front of Sogo, and then after that, two people were actually
09:16charged for the protest, and that was Amir Hadi and also Mandip Singh.
09:23Mandip, yeah, Mandip Singh.
09:25And these two people were charged for organizing the protest.
09:29So, already from the beginning, we were really angry with the charge itself, because we were
09:35there peacefully assembling and questioning about Kapal LCS.
09:39And this is not a small issue.
09:41This is about billions of ringgits of people's money.
09:44But it's, I mean, it's quite equivalent because it's about country security.
09:47Yes, exactly.
09:48It's about country security.
09:49Because you're saying that this LCS is supposed to protect the country, but it's not there.
09:53But no kinds of investigation has been done towards the people that we questioned.
10:01But then charges were being made against Amir and Mandip who questioned the Kapal LCS.
10:06So, that's number one.
10:07Number two, when he was being charged, it was charged under a Peaceful Assembly Act,
10:13ataupun dalam bahasa Melayu, Akta Perimpunan Aman, specifically under this Section 9,
10:19where Section 9 ni dia menyatakan bahawa if you want to organize a protest, you have to
10:24submit a notice at least five days before the protest was being done.
10:30And so, that was the charge that was made against him.
10:34But a couple of things happened that we were really unhappy.
10:38Number one was the fact that the actual perpetrators of Kapal LCS were not being questioned.
10:45One of them that we questioned during the protest is already the Deputy Prime Minister today.
10:50So, that's one.
10:51Number two is that in the midst of the charges, the charge against Mandip was being dropped, was dropped.
10:58After Pakatan Harapan got into power, Mandip is from DAP.
11:02And the charge against him was dropped.
11:05I fully agreed that the charge has to be dropped.
11:08Because I think that the Peaceful Assembly Act itself is an affront towards our right to assemble under Federal Constitution.
11:17But the question was that why is it that the charge against Mandip was dropped,
11:20but the charge against Amir was not dropped.
11:23So, when he, when the case wasn't dropped, then Amir himself made an, like, dalam mahkamah ni kita boleh buat macam,
11:33there's this proceeding where he can cabar the integrity of the section itself lah.
11:41So, what happened in the Federal Court today was because Amir and his team of lawyers,
11:48they challenged the legality of Section 9.
11:54Okay.
11:55Because, ni sebagai, saya pun, Alhamdulillah, habis belajar undang-undang.
12:00So, I can speak a little about this.
12:02Okay.
12:03So, we have the highest law, which is the Federal Constitution, right?
12:06So, dalam Federal Constitution, kita, kita ada hak-hak rakyat,
12:09our, which is our enshrined rights of the people.
12:12One of them is the right to peacefully assemble.
12:15Yes.
12:15And that is clear-cut in the Federal Constitution.
12:19So, since Federal Constitution is the highest law,
12:22any law that was enacted that is ultra-virus or that is not aligned with the Federal Constitution
12:30is actually unconstitutional and should not be used at all.
12:35So, we question, Amir and also his lawyers question that Section 9 is ultra-virus
12:40or contradicting to Federal Constitution.
12:42Maksudnya, it's unconstitutional and shouldn't be used.
12:44So, after three years of battling in court,
12:48Alhamdulillah, this morning,
12:51Mahkamah Persekutuan, which is the Apex Court,
12:53Mahkamah Persekutuan ni mahkamah paling tinggi,
12:55under the lead of Yaman Arif Tengku Maimun
12:59and I am so happy that because today is her last day
13:01to be able to see that judgment.
13:04They decided that Amir's appeal is right
13:09and that Section 9 is indeed
13:12is not aligned with the Federal Constitution
13:15or is unconstitutional
13:17and
13:18maknanya, lepas ni, Section 9.5
13:21tidak boleh digunakan lagi.
13:24So, it has to be taken out from the
13:26from the Peaceful Assembly Act
13:28because the court says that it is unconstitutional.
13:30So, that's a win, not just for Amir,
13:33not just for Muda,
13:35but it's a huge milestone for all Malaysians
13:38to assemble, to execute your right,
13:40to, you know, state your feelings towards a certain thing.
13:43I am so, so immensely proud of Amir
13:48for going through,
13:50because going through a court process is not easy
13:52and him going through it
13:54for the sake of all of us
13:56is something that I am extremely proud of.
14:00So, that's a win-win,
14:03that's a double win
14:03this past five days,
14:06five, six days as well
14:07with Sadek punya case.
14:09So, like, it's,
14:11sorry, Amir stepped down as a sec gen
14:14a few days ago.
14:15So, now with this win,
14:17where is,
14:18I mean, I'm not asking you on behalf of Amir,
14:19but in general,
14:20where is Muda headed with Sadek,
14:22with Amir,
14:23someone who are moving into
14:24Muda punya leadership now.
14:26Yeah.
14:26So, and you, yourself.
14:27Yeah.
14:28So, where are we going?
14:29Yeah.
14:30Not me, we.
14:31Boleh tak saya alihkan ni, kan?
14:34Don't do that.
14:35Don't do that.
14:37Well, right after Sadek's court case,
14:40we had a leadership meeting.
14:42Okay.
14:43And we have made the offer
14:45to him privately
14:47and also publicly.
14:48for him to be reinstated
14:50as our president.
14:52Because in 2023,
14:54when he was convicted
14:56in high court,
14:57he was the one
14:59who insisted
15:00to step aside
15:01from the position of president.
15:03For me
15:04and for the rest of Muda,
15:05we felt that
15:07we still believe
15:07in his innocence.
15:09But he said
15:10that he wants to clear his name
15:11before he
15:12can hold any position
15:14at all in a political party.
15:15So, we allowed him
15:16that transition.
15:17And that is also
15:18the reason why
15:19at that point,
15:20they wanted me to
15:21immediately assume
15:23the position of president.
15:25But I mentioned
15:26that because he just
15:27want to step aside
15:28and clear his name,
15:29we shouldn't replace
15:31the position of president.
15:33So, after he
15:34won his court case,
15:35I made the offer to him.
15:37We've all made the offer
15:38and the whole party,
15:40especially the leadership,
15:42we've stated the reasons
15:43as to why
15:44we still believe in him
15:45and why we still
15:46need him
15:46as the party president.
15:48And we are now
15:50allowing Sadiq
15:51some time
15:52because he requested
15:52for some time
15:53to think about the offer
15:55and that he is,
15:57he wants some
15:58downtime.
15:58I am,
16:00I can 100%
16:01empathize
16:02that this has been
16:03a very tough time
16:04for him
16:05for the past
16:05five years,
16:06not just for him
16:07but for his family members
16:08and he needs time
16:10to think about that offer
16:11so we're giving him
16:12that time.
16:13But, however,
16:15Muda continues
16:15as usual.
16:17Definitely,
16:18we would love
16:20and we're definitely
16:21going to be stronger
16:22with Sadiq
16:23as the president
16:23but Muda is not short
16:25of any,
16:26you know,
16:27talented individuals.
16:29We have a lot
16:30of amazing people
16:31in our party
16:32and I'm sure
16:34that regardless
16:35of whatever's transition,
16:36Sadiq coming back
16:38as president
16:38or wanting to wait
16:40for party election
16:40and the transition
16:41from Ameh to Aini
16:43as Secretary General,
16:45none of that
16:46will really change
16:47the direction
16:48of the party
16:49because at the end
16:49of the day,
16:50we've all worked
16:51as one team
16:52and the vision
16:53for Muda
16:54and for Malaysia
16:54is the same.
16:55Alright,
16:56since you talked
16:56about Muda's vision,
16:58I want to know
16:59what is Muda's vision
17:00and mission now?
17:01Because I remember
17:01you said like
17:02a few,
17:03for the past few years,
17:05it's for the past few years,
17:06you guys are like
17:07sitting back
17:08to the drawing board
17:08and not other,
17:10you know,
17:10like a direct pathway.
17:11So what is it now?
17:13Yeah.
17:13Well,
17:14in terms of vision,
17:15it's still very clear
17:16for us is that
17:17what Muda wants
17:19to fight for
17:19is we upheld
17:21the democracy social.
17:23That is our ideology
17:25of Muda
17:26where what we want
17:27is for,
17:28is a Malaysia
17:29where everyone,
17:30regardless of their age,
17:32regardless of their gender,
17:33regardless of their race,
17:34regardless of their religion,
17:35will be able to live
17:37in a dignified Malaysia
17:38where they'll be able
17:40to get freedom,
17:42get justice,
17:45and also get solidarity.
17:48This is the three main pillars
17:50of democratic social
17:51that Muda is,
17:52social democracy
17:53that Muda is championing.
17:55And this remains
17:56our vision for Muda.
17:58And that's the reason
17:58why any kinds of policies
18:00that we are fighting for
18:01is supporting the ideology
18:02that we have.
18:04Things like institutional reforms,
18:06things like freedom of education,
18:08things like capital gains tax,
18:11things like climate justice,
18:15all these things are aligned
18:16with the vision and ideology
18:17of Muda.
18:18That ideology has not changed.
18:20But the political direction
18:21of the party,
18:22I think this is something
18:23that whenever people
18:24ask about vision,
18:26when I answer all this
18:28social democracy thing,
18:30they sort of say that,
18:33oh, but that's not
18:33what we want to know.
18:34What we actually want to know
18:36is politically,
18:37where is Muda heading?
18:38Yes, please.
18:39I think Malaysian politics today
18:43is super dynamic, right?
18:45I think benda tu,
18:47even the current government pun
18:49sentiasa ada political party
18:52within the government
18:53that says,
18:54oh, we want to pull out
18:55from the government,
18:56we want to pull out
18:56from the government.
18:57So the politics of Malaysia
19:02right now is super dynamic.
19:03There is no telling
19:04as to what's going to happen
19:06in GE16.
19:07We don't know
19:09whether the unity government,
19:10Pakatan Harapan,
19:11Barisan Nasional,
19:12GPS,
19:13and all the component parties
19:14of unity government
19:15is going to work together
19:17in GE16.
19:18We don't know that.
19:19Similarly,
19:20we don't know whether
19:21GE16 will be held
19:23in concurrently
19:24with some states' election
19:27and whether or not
19:29the same composition
19:31or collaboration
19:33in federal election
19:35will also happen
19:36in state election.
19:38So none of that is sure.
19:40Similarly for Muda,
19:42it is very difficult
19:44to ascertain
19:45whether or not
19:47Muda will work alone
19:49or Muda will work
19:51with any other component parties
19:52in GE16.
19:53Is there any
19:54in your mind right now?
19:56Well,
19:56on top of your head?
19:58I mean,
19:58we have,
20:00for the past couple of elections,
20:01we have worked
20:02very closely
20:03with PSM.
20:05Oh,
20:05with PSM.
20:07We have retreated,
20:08I mean,
20:10we've worked with
20:10Pakatan Harapan
20:11and we have already
20:12retracted our support
20:14and we have
20:15spoke very,
20:18you know,
20:18outspoken against the things
20:20that Kerajaan Pakatan Harapan
20:21is doing.
20:21Whether or not
20:24we're going to collaborate
20:25with any political parties,
20:27that is something
20:28that will be decided
20:30nearer to general election.
20:33However,
20:34whatever happens,
20:35whether or not
20:35we work alone
20:36or we work
20:37with any coalition
20:38or we work
20:39with friends
20:41that upheld
20:42the same values,
20:42most importantly
20:44for Muda
20:44is not about
20:46the party,
20:47it's not about
20:48the political alignment,
20:50bukan tentang
20:51kita kerja dengan siapa,
20:52but about
20:53what we are fighting for.
20:54And that's why
20:55now for Muda
20:55rather than
20:56talking too much
20:57about kita nak kerjasama
20:58dengan ni,
20:59kita nak kerjasama
20:59dengan tu,
21:00kita nak bergerak
21:00sendiri,
21:01what we are doing
21:02is more and more
21:03talking about
21:04the policies
21:04that we are championing,
21:06talking about
21:06our ideals,
21:07showcasing our leadership,
21:09showing that Muda
21:10is not just
21:11Saeed Saddiq
21:11and Amira Aisyah
21:12but Muda is
21:13thousands of
21:16talented young people
21:17who want
21:17to build this nation
21:19together
21:20and that is
21:21the vision
21:22or the direction
21:24of the party
21:24right now.
21:25You know what,
21:26I love the fact
21:26that we're talking
21:27about like
21:27four or five years
21:29because every time
21:30somebody talks
21:31about the future
21:32and I do not
21:33see
21:34what's going to happen
21:36in the next five years,
21:37like I don't,
21:38I'm asking you guys,
21:39what do you guys
21:40think is going to happen
21:41in the next five years?
21:41you guys,
21:42selain Muda
21:43from one graduate
21:45school lah,
21:45SPM,
21:46like,
21:47itupun kita tak tahu
21:48what's going to happen
21:51to them.
21:51Yeah,
21:52masuk university tak?
21:53we thought,
21:55you know,
21:55we thought that
21:56PMR would be there
21:57and the PT3
21:58and everything
21:59has changed,
21:59you know,
21:59yeah.
22:00Yeah,
22:00like,
22:00do you have
22:01like,
22:02politically lah kan,
22:03like,
22:04where do you see
22:05yourself in the next
22:06five years?
22:08Well,
22:09I,
22:11don't go too far lah,
22:12election,
22:12GA16,
22:13GA16,
22:13definitely,
22:15I would want
22:16to be able
22:17to run
22:18in an election
22:19and
22:20definitely
22:22for Muda
22:23especially,
22:24we want to
22:24ensure that
22:25there will be
22:26more
22:26member of
22:27parliaments
22:28from Muda
22:28in the
22:30parliament
22:30and
22:32I would be
22:33more than
22:33honoured
22:34and happy
22:35if I'm given
22:36the chance
22:37and the trust
22:37by the party
22:38to run
22:39for parliament
22:40and
22:42that is something
22:43that I wish
22:44to do
22:44in G16.
22:46However,
22:47as I've mentioned,
22:48more importantly
22:48than just
22:49what I want
22:50for myself,
22:51I want
22:52to be able
22:53to showcase
22:54the talents
22:55that we have
22:55in Muda.
22:56So,
22:57what we're trying
22:58to do right now
22:58for GA16
22:59is not to just
23:00talk about
23:01Saeed Sadiq
23:02and Amira Aisha
23:03but to talk
23:04about this
23:05amazing team
23:06that we have
23:07in Muda
23:07and so that
23:08when we run
23:09in GA16
23:09it's not just
23:10about these
23:11two-figure
23:12and I'm like
23:13Sadiq is the
23:14main person
23:14so it's not
23:15just about
23:15Saeed Sadiq
23:16but it's about
23:17the team that
23:18we have
23:18and that's
23:19most important.
23:20Okay,
23:20that sounds
23:20amazing
23:21because you know
23:21what,
23:21I was reading
23:22comments yesterday
23:22but so like
23:23Sadiq was live
23:24yesterday right
23:25at our studio
23:26so like
23:27one person
23:28was like
23:28just put
23:29more Muda
23:30faces
23:30and we'll
23:31vote for them
23:31but what
23:32the problem
23:32is?
23:33Yeah,
23:33I think
23:34unfortunately
23:35our country
23:37has a
23:37I would say
23:39an outdated
23:39electoral system
23:41it's first
23:41past the post
23:42system
23:42and a lot
23:44of CSOs
23:45have talked
23:46about how
23:46this system
23:47has to be
23:48revisited
23:49because first
23:50past the post
23:51is really
23:51not helpful
23:53to any new
23:54parties at all
23:55we see
23:56in
23:57kadang-kadang
23:57kita tengok
23:58in other
23:58party election
23:59dekat negara
24:00luar
24:00and we see
24:00oh how is
24:01this small
24:02party able
24:02to win
24:03certain number
24:04of seats
24:04because they
24:05don't have
24:05first past the post
24:06they might have
24:06a proportionate
24:07voting
24:08or
24:08parallel
24:09voting
24:10where
24:10rank choice
24:11voting
24:12you know
24:12you can vote
24:13or
24:14macam
24:14recently
24:15the
24:15most recent
24:18famous
24:18election
24:19would be
24:19the New York
24:20City
24:20Mayor
24:21election
24:21and it is
24:24a rank
24:24rank choice
24:25you boleh undi
24:26contohlah
24:27kalau I
24:27contest
24:28you contest
24:28Saiz Sadiq
24:31contest
24:31it's not just
24:32electing
24:33katalah
24:33kalau dia nak
24:33Saiz Sadiq
24:34dia pangkar
24:34Saiz Sadiq
24:35that's what
24:35happened
24:35in our country
24:36you cannot
24:36choose other
24:37people
24:37but in New York
24:38in countries
24:39that practice
24:40rank
24:40rank choice
24:41they boleh
24:421, 2, 3
24:43so anyone
24:44has a choice
24:45or
24:47proportionate voting
24:48where you can
24:49vote
24:49macam Thailand
24:50you can vote
24:50party list
24:52individual list
24:52so there
24:54are multiple
24:55system
24:56that is deemed
24:57more democratic
24:58again
25:00that is something
25:01that we've been
25:01calling over
25:02and over again
25:03for Muda
25:04definitely we
25:05want to put
25:06more people
25:07right
25:07but we are
25:08a small party
25:09so there is
25:09only
25:10a limited
25:12amount of
25:13resource
25:14that we have
25:15and we need
25:16to ensure
25:16that we'll be
25:17able to
25:18allocate that
25:19resource
25:20wisely
25:20because election
25:21is an
25:23expensive
25:23venture
25:24it's very
25:26it's very
25:26if you don't
25:26get money
25:26if you don't
25:27if you don't
25:28get money
25:28if you don't
25:30if you don't
25:31you get back
25:32your deposit
25:32but other
25:33things you're
25:33not gonna
25:34you're not gonna
25:35get back
25:35but you have to
25:35fork out more
25:36money
25:36actually okay
25:37this is
25:38okay I have to
25:40touch on it
25:40okay
25:40like because
25:41we're doing
25:42some research
25:42on sustainability
25:43for influencers
25:45content creators
25:45online tau
25:46and we've seen
25:47this trend
25:48where you guys
25:49okay
25:50Sadik tak dapat
25:50funding
25:51untuk mua
25:52kan
25:52so what he's
25:53doing is
25:54he's
25:55you know
25:55doing side jobs
25:56side hustles
25:57to get the money
25:58for the kawasan
25:59so like
26:00is there
26:01a sudden trend
26:03where like
26:03you know
26:04politicians
26:04don't have to
26:05become influencers
26:05but they don't
26:06have to do
26:06to fund
26:06because you're
26:07not getting
26:08the right amount
26:08well actually
26:09that unfortunately
26:11that has been
26:12the practice
26:13that has been
26:13the practice
26:14cuma not all
26:15of us
26:16have the
26:17talent
26:17or the looks
26:19or the partners
26:22so some
26:23some politicians
26:24actually many
26:25politicians
26:26who have been
26:26in opposition
26:27parties
26:28have to juggle
26:30multiple work
26:31like for myself
26:32I myself
26:33have to
26:34figure out
26:34how to pay
26:35my staff
26:36beyond
26:36the funding
26:37that I get
26:38contohnya
26:38dalam kawasan
26:39I
26:39Sadik in mua
26:41he has
26:4280,000 voters
26:43my constitution
26:45my
26:45constituency
26:47I have
26:48120,000 voters
26:49oh my god
26:49you have more than
26:50definitely
26:51my state seat
26:52is bigger
26:53than a lot
26:53of parliamentary
26:54seat
26:55oh my god
26:55so that's why
26:56we also called
26:57for you know
26:58relook
26:58at this
26:59constituency
27:00redelignation
27:02but
27:03the amount
27:04that I receive
27:05is only
27:05200,000 ringgit
27:06per year
27:07which is the same
27:08as
27:09an adun
27:10that has
27:1018,000 voters
27:11for example
27:12so that's
27:13not fair
27:13right
27:14and
27:14200,000
27:15orang
27:16tak tahu
27:17you dapat berapa
27:18so they come
27:18and request
27:19a lot of things
27:20but at the same time
27:21you need to pay
27:22your staff
27:22you want a
27:23functioning office
27:23and you want
27:24to be able
27:25to pay them
27:26a dignified amount
27:27of money
27:28to compensate
27:29the work
27:30that they have
27:31done
27:31because
27:31definitely
27:32kerja tu tak mudah
27:34you get calls
27:34at 2 or 3 a.m
27:35and we do this
27:36willingly
27:37because this is
27:37what we want to do
27:38but at the same time
27:39they have to be
27:40properly compensated
27:40so
27:41I have to
27:43use my own gaji
27:44to bayar
27:44some of my stuff
27:45and figure out
27:46other ways
27:47to fund my office
27:48and this is not
27:49just me
27:50this is
27:50many other
27:52politicians
27:53out there
27:53Sadiq
27:55has always been
27:55very creative
27:56in the way
27:57that he fundraised
27:58and definitely
27:59I think
27:59a lot of us
28:01look at that
28:02at least for me
28:03and I know
28:04that the younger ones
28:05the younger politicians
28:06look at that
28:07as something
28:08that is very inspiring
28:09and we do wish
28:10that we have
28:11the capacity
28:11to do that
28:12but again
28:13as I've mentioned
28:13not all of us
28:14have talents
28:15to be influencers
28:16but if there are
28:18who want
28:18to give me
28:19please
28:19please
28:19please
28:20I'm ready
28:21for the
28:24constituency
28:24but yeah
28:26this is
28:27really
28:27and I think
28:28what we are
28:29very angry
28:30about
28:30with Sadiq's
28:32situation
28:33is that
28:34the allocation
28:37has been used
28:38as a
28:39I always
28:40say this
28:41the allocation
28:41has been used
28:42as the
28:42Bushan
28:43politics
28:43if you want
28:44your allocation
28:44you support us
28:45and that is not
28:46fair
28:47not to us
28:48for us
28:49for the politicians
28:50we still get
28:51our gaji
28:52jadi apa pun
28:53gaji kita
28:53kita dapat
28:54but this allocation
28:55is to the people
28:55it's not to us
28:57yeah
28:57to the rakyat
28:58right
28:58and it's so ironic
29:00like
29:01it's
29:02okay
29:03there's a long
29:04history of that
29:05but like
29:06we all understand
29:07we all know
29:07so macam
29:08unfortunate
29:09anyway
29:09kalau nak
29:10saya jadi
29:11ambassador
29:11untuk tolong
29:12puci wangsa
29:13silakan
29:14boleh konten
29:15okay
29:16benda-benda
29:17paling penting
29:17sekarang
29:17I want to
29:17talk to you
29:18about
29:18Tan Sri Azambaki
29:19MECC
29:20you're being
29:21investigated
29:22for the
29:23protest
29:23against him
29:24right
29:24yes
29:25is it
29:26was specifically
29:27on him
29:27well the
29:28protest
29:28was specifically
29:29about him
29:31about him
29:31okay
29:32okay
29:32cerita kepada
29:33semua orang
29:33kenapa
29:34you pergi
29:34protest
29:35pasal dia
29:35actually
29:37the
29:38protest
29:39against
29:39Azambaki
29:40is not
29:41new
29:41okay
29:42I've
29:43been in
29:44this
29:44protest
29:45the same
29:45protest
29:46but
29:46masa itu
29:46kita panggil
29:47Undur Azambaki
29:47and that
29:49was organized
29:50by a
29:51coalition
29:52of young
29:53people
29:53okay
29:53in 2022
29:54okay
29:55and during
29:56that protest
29:57it was
29:57because
29:58there was
30:00an alleged
30:00very strong
30:02allegations
30:04that
30:04Azambaki
30:05holds
30:05shares
30:06yes
30:07which as
30:08a commissioner
30:08of MECC
30:09he should
30:10not be able
30:10to hold
30:11shares
30:11however
30:12nothing
30:14was really
30:15being done
30:15to show
30:16that the
30:16investigation
30:17against
30:18Azambaki
30:18was fair
30:19was transparent
30:21or that it
30:21is being done
30:22by a party
30:23that has no
30:23biasness
30:24towards
30:24Azambaki
30:25and so
30:27it is
30:27very
30:28unacceptable
30:30that
30:31the highest
30:32body
30:33that
30:33governs
30:35corruption
30:35that fights
30:36against corruption
30:37has somebody
30:38who has been
30:39alleged
30:39to be
30:40corrupted
30:40yeah
30:41leading the
30:42MECC
30:43so that
30:44is something
30:44that is
30:44super
30:45unacceptable
30:45so we've
30:46had that
30:46protest
30:47in 2022
30:47I've been
30:48investigated
30:48but the
30:50recent
30:50protest
30:50was organized
30:51again
30:52by a group
30:53of young
30:53people
30:54very brave
30:54young people
30:55who have
30:55staged a lot
30:56of protest
30:56against
30:57corruption
30:57but during
30:59that protest
30:59I spoke
31:00about a couple
31:00of things
31:01number one
31:01I spoke
31:02about how
31:03it's not
31:03just ironic
31:04that Azambaki
31:05has not
31:06been properly
31:07investigated
31:07it's super
31:08ironic
31:08the fact
31:09that
31:09Kerajaan
31:10Pakatan Harapan
31:10was with us
31:12multiple times
31:13fighting against
31:15Azambaki
31:15when they were
31:16in opposition
31:16but now
31:17that they are
31:18in government
31:18they've renewed
31:19Azambaki's
31:19contract twice
31:20dah dua kali
31:21Azambaki punya
31:22contract renewed
31:23so that's the
31:23first thing
31:24that I question
31:24I felt that
31:26that's a
31:27huge hypocrisy
31:28and it's a
31:30huge disrespect
31:30to the people
31:31who voted for you
31:32thinking that
31:33you will fight
31:33against this
31:34number one
31:34number two
31:35I question about
31:36Adun-Adun Sabah
31:37because initially
31:39they said that
31:40they cannot charge
31:41this Adun
31:41because video-video
31:43itu ada
31:44editing
31:44edited
31:45so they cannot
31:46use that
31:46as an evidence
31:47but
31:49an unedited
31:50version of the
31:51videos have been
31:51submitted
31:51and at that
31:52point of time
31:53they haven't
31:54charged any of
31:54the Adun-Sabah
31:55anyway
31:55when recently
31:57two has been
31:58charged but
31:58I still feel
31:59that that's
32:00not enough
32:00and so I
32:02question that
32:02and again
32:03I question
32:04about the
32:04fact that
32:05Musa Aman
32:06who has
32:07had multiple
32:09corruption
32:09cases against
32:10him
32:10and
32:11you know
32:12he has
32:13people say
32:14that he has
32:14cleared his
32:14name in court
32:15but he hasn't
32:16the only thing
32:16that he has
32:17received
32:17is dismissal
32:18not amounting
32:19to acquittal
32:19by the
32:22AGC
32:23so that is
32:24not equivalent
32:25to clearing
32:25your name
32:26in court
32:26basically
32:29and Sadiq
32:29is still
32:31fighting
32:31because there's
32:31now an appeal
32:32against him
32:33and so I
32:34question these
32:35three things
32:36and so when I
32:36was called
32:37to the police
32:38to be investigated
32:39it was mainly
32:41about the
32:42Sabah
32:42things
32:43about the
32:44Adun-Sabah
32:45and about
32:45Musa Aman
32:46because apparently
32:48a report was
32:49made in
32:50was it in
32:51Tawaw
32:52or Papar
32:53in Sabah
32:54a report was
32:55made in Sabah
32:56but they said
32:58it's okay
32:59I don't have
32:59to come to
32:59Sabah
32:59they transferred
33:00my case
33:00to Dangwangi
33:01so I was
33:02investigated
33:02in Dangwangi
33:03but my
33:06point is this
33:06my point is
33:07that there
33:08have been
33:08multiple
33:08protests
33:09against
33:10Azam Baki
33:11and multiple
33:12protests
33:12about this
33:13Adun-Adun Sabah
33:14instead of
33:15wasting
33:15our
33:16resources
33:18on investigating
33:19those who
33:20protested
33:20those who
33:21questioned
33:21why don't you
33:22use that
33:23resource to
33:23investigate
33:24the allegations
33:24that we
33:25made
33:25so
33:26daripada
33:26you
33:27gunakan
33:27kuasa
33:28and duit
33:28yang ada
33:29to pressure
33:30the people
33:30who speak
33:30out
33:31what you
33:32need to
33:32do is
33:33fight
33:33against
33:33that
33:34corruption
33:34and not
33:35fight
33:35against
33:35the people
33:36who want
33:36to fight
33:37corruption
33:37it doesn't
33:38make sense
33:38yeah
33:39yeah
33:39yeah
33:40no
33:41okay
33:41okay
33:42it's great
33:43thanks for
33:43explaining that
33:44so
33:44next cause of
33:45reaction
33:46macam mana
33:46you just
33:46tunggu je
33:47well
33:47I have
33:49cooperated
33:50100%
33:51with the
33:51police officers
33:52okay
33:52so now
33:53it's just
33:54a
33:54waiting
33:55game
33:55I mean
33:57I've
33:57been
33:58investigated
34:00multiple
34:00times as
34:01well
34:01for other
34:01protests
34:02and
34:02alhamdulillah
34:03as of
34:03now
34:04I have
34:05not been
34:05charged
34:05with any
34:07and
34:08hopefully
34:09I will
34:09not be
34:09charged
34:09for this
34:10one
34:10because
34:10I think
34:10that
34:10if
34:11I'm
34:11charged
34:11for this
34:12one
34:12again
34:13this
34:13shows
34:14a huge
34:14hypocrisy
34:14of this
34:15government
34:15you're
34:16you're
34:17right
34:17you're
34:18right
34:18okay
34:19since we're
34:20already
34:20talking about
34:21protesting
34:21I want to
34:22just touch
34:22a little
34:22bit on
34:23Liga Mahasiswa
34:24Malaysia
34:24so
34:25they have
34:26been very
34:26vocal
34:27for the
34:27past few
34:27weeks
34:28I think
34:28for the
34:28past few
34:29months
34:29so
34:30even
34:31like
34:31Wong
34:31is there
34:32Mandiri
34:32pun
34:33ada
34:33just
34:34like
34:35get to
34:35know
34:35is Muda
34:36involved
34:37with
34:37Liga
34:37Mahasiswa
34:40we are
34:41not directly
34:41involved
34:42they are
34:43a group
34:44of
34:44independent
34:44students
34:45who
34:46you know
34:47who organize
34:48these protests
34:49against corruption
34:50but Muda
34:51has multiple
34:52times
34:52support
34:54these protests
34:55and come
34:56and attend
34:56their protests
34:57yeah
34:57what would
34:59you say
34:59as a person
35:00you said
35:00you've been
35:01investigated
35:01multiple times
35:02what is
35:03your advice
35:03for these
35:04young people
35:05because
35:05banyak orang
35:07dah macam
35:07I think
35:09like
35:09the pressure
35:10is much
35:10more
35:10because people
35:11are so
35:11much more
35:12critical
35:12now on
35:13social media
35:14like
35:14semua
35:15things
35:15attack
35:15even
35:16like
35:16budak
35:16talk
35:17after
35:17upload
35:18video
35:18extra
35:20harassment
35:21not even
35:22just them
35:23their families
35:23are harassed
35:24so what's your
35:25advice for the future
35:26generations
35:27first and foremost
35:28is
35:28my advice
35:30to
35:30the people
35:31of Malaysia
35:31who've been
35:32attacking
35:32these young
35:33people
35:34number one
35:35is that
35:36you have to
35:36understand
35:36that
35:37this is
35:38their
35:38right
35:39to express
35:40their
35:41unhappiness
35:42to the government
35:43their unhappiness
35:43to corruption
35:44it is
35:44100%
35:45well within
35:46their rights
35:46that's number
35:47one
35:47number two
35:48is that
35:50you can
35:52disagree
35:52with what
35:53they do
35:53right
35:54that is
35:54everyone's
35:54right
35:55whether you
35:55agree
35:55or you
35:56disagree
35:56you can
35:56do that
35:57but
35:57you know
35:59be
36:00mindful
36:01and respectful
36:02with the way
36:04that you
36:04disagree with
36:04things
36:05that's number
36:05one
36:05number two
36:06and number
36:07three is
36:08that to
36:08remind everyone
36:09especially
36:09Malaysians
36:10that
36:11even
36:11before
36:12independence
36:13protest
36:13has been
36:14existing
36:15in Malaysia
36:16even before
36:16independence
36:16the movement
36:18towards
36:18independence
36:19in Malaysia
36:19was through
36:20street protest
36:21without
36:22these people
36:23who paved
36:24the way
36:24through street
36:25protest
36:25we will not
36:26be able
36:27to gain
36:27our independence
36:28without
36:29these kind
36:29of things
36:30that they
36:31call rude
36:31or people
36:32say that
36:32oh protest
36:33is rude
36:33protest
36:34doesn't
36:35bring any
36:36fruitful results
36:37bukan budaya
36:38Malaysia
36:38all these
36:39things
36:39without
36:40these
36:40things
36:40that you
36:41question
36:42we will
36:42not be
36:43able to
36:43reach
36:44the kind
36:45of
36:45freedom
36:45that we
36:46have
36:46in our
36:46country
36:47today
36:47so what
36:48they are
36:48doing
36:48is not
36:49wrong
36:49right
36:50that's
36:50number
36:50one
36:51to the
36:52students
36:52especially
36:53younger
36:53people
36:54do not
36:56bow down
36:57to pressure
36:57and I
36:58think they
36:59have been
36:59doing that
37:00accidentally
37:00they do
37:01not bow
37:01down
37:02to pressure
37:02do not
37:04be afraid
37:04when they
37:05threaten
37:05you
37:06because
37:07if they
37:08threaten
37:08you
37:08you need
37:09to
37:09understand
37:09as well
37:10that it
37:10is your
37:11right
37:11to
37:11peacefully
37:12assemble
37:13it is
37:13your
37:13right
37:14to
37:14state
37:15your
37:15unhappiness
37:18with the
37:18government
37:18it is
37:19everything
37:19is within
37:20your right
37:21and your
37:23bravery
37:23in fighting
37:24against
37:24corruption
37:24will
37:26give birth
37:28to more
37:28braveries
37:28out there
37:29there might
37:30be people
37:30who are
37:30loud
37:31rejecting
37:32what they
37:32are doing
37:32but there
37:33are also
37:34a lot
37:34of people
37:35who are
37:35inspired
37:35by what
37:36you are
37:36doing
37:36people
37:37who watch
37:38your videos
37:39or watch
37:39your photos
37:40or watch
37:40your speeches
37:41and think
37:42about hey
37:43one day
37:43I want to
37:43do that
37:44too
37:44and say
37:45that if
37:46they can
37:46do this
37:46I can
37:47do that
37:47too
37:47because
37:47that was
37:48me
37:48when I
37:48was young
37:49when I
37:50saw
37:50young
37:51people
37:52who
37:52protested
37:53against
37:54government
37:54at that
37:54time
37:55I was
37:55inspired
37:56to be
37:56part of
37:57that
37:57protest
37:58and I
37:58was
37:58inspired
37:59to use
38:00my
38:00right
38:00as a
38:00Malaysian
38:01to say
38:01it
38:01so even
38:02if you
38:02can't
38:03inspire
38:03all
38:04Malaysians
38:05but what
38:06you are
38:06doing
38:06if it
38:07manages
38:07to
38:08change
38:08the
38:08mindset
38:09of
38:09even
38:09one
38:10person
38:10then
38:11you
38:11have
38:12successfully
38:12you know
38:13done your
38:14duty
38:14as a Malaysian
38:15inspiring words
38:16so inspiring
38:17like I feel
38:18inspired
38:19okay
38:20I think
38:21like before
38:21we end
38:22I just
38:22want to
38:23talk about
38:23touch on
38:24two things
38:24like
38:24you've
38:26made clear
38:27about
38:27Muda
38:27Penye Stan
38:28towards
38:28the government
38:29towards
38:29you know
38:30the hypocrisy
38:31and things
38:31like that
38:32but like
38:33what's
38:34your
38:34take
38:36for the
38:38second half
38:38of the
38:38year
38:39as we
38:39begin
38:40SST
38:40today
38:41I mean
38:43I've been
38:44very vocal
38:46on
38:46criticizing
38:48this new
38:49increase
38:50of SST
38:50myself
38:54and Muda
38:54we do
38:55not
38:55reject
38:56Texas
38:56I think
38:56I want
38:56to put
38:57that
38:57out
38:57front
38:58because
38:58some
38:58people
38:59they
39:00twist
39:00my words
39:00and say
39:01that
39:01oh
39:01like
39:02you
39:02ingat
39:02the
39:02tax
39:03kita
39:03boleh
39:03survive
39:03ke
39:04I do
39:04not
39:04reject
39:04Texas
39:05I think
39:05it's
39:05very clear
39:06Muda
39:06and you
39:06and Sandeek
39:07has been
39:08repeating
39:08this
39:08selective
39:11hearing
39:12we
39:13have not
39:14we do
39:14not reject
39:15Texas
39:15we understand
39:15that it's
39:16needed
39:16for the
39:17country
39:17to survive
39:18but Texas
39:19have to be
39:20targeted
39:20to
39:21the
39:22rich
39:23people
39:23to benefit
39:24the poor
39:25that is
39:25the purpose
39:26of Texas
39:27but
39:27the introduction
39:28of the
39:29increase
39:29of SST
39:30they're
39:31macam
39:32I don't
39:33know
39:33whether
39:33like
39:34was there
39:35any
39:35consultation
39:36or
39:37was there
39:38even
39:38any
39:39honesty
39:41on behalf
39:42of the
39:42government
39:42or any
39:43effort
39:44on behalf
39:45of the
39:45government
39:45to look
39:46down
39:46and to
39:47see
39:47what
39:48the
39:48people
39:48are
39:48actually
39:49struggling
39:50with
39:50already
39:51cost
39:52our
39:53is
39:53already
39:54really
39:54high
39:54it's
39:55extremely
39:55high
39:55not just
39:57Malaysia
39:58but the
39:58world
39:58is facing
39:59inflation
39:59so we
40:00are already
40:01struggling
40:01the B40
40:03and M40
40:03is already
40:04struggling
40:04by increasing
40:05this
40:05SST
40:06what is my
40:07biggest concern
40:08is that
40:08this increase
40:09of SST
40:09is on
40:10barang-barang
40:11asas
40:11of course
40:12you kata
40:13barang-barang
40:13important
40:13but these
40:14important things
40:15are also
40:15barang-barang
40:15asas
40:16lain lah
40:17kalau you
40:17kata
40:17oh
40:18kita
40:18nak
40:18naikkan
40:18harga
40:19barang
40:19import
40:19because
40:20we
40:20want
40:20people
40:21to buy
40:21locals
40:21I
40:22100%
40:22agree
40:23let's
40:23support
40:24the
40:24local
40:24industries
40:24but the
40:25issue
40:25is that
40:26a lot
40:26of
40:26these
40:26barang-barang
40:27asas
40:27a lot
40:28of
40:28these
40:29fruits
40:30or
40:30all
40:31these
40:31things
40:32that
40:32you
40:32want
40:32to
40:32increase
40:33tax
40:33beras
40:34all
40:34these
40:34things
40:34we
40:35do
40:35not
40:35have
40:36capacity
40:37locally
40:37so we
40:38are importing
40:38so if
40:40you increase
40:40all these
40:41import
40:41products
40:42bukan
40:43sekadar
40:44rakyat
40:45tak boleh
40:45nak beli
40:45barang
40:46local
40:46sebab
40:46barang
40:46local
40:46tak cukup
40:47rakyat
40:47have to
40:48suffer
40:48more
40:48and
40:48more
40:48I
40:49I
40:50really
40:50don't
40:51understand
40:51because
40:51I think
40:52all
40:53this
40:53government
40:54MPs
40:55you've
40:55worked
40:55with your people
40:56on the ground
40:57you see how much
40:58they are struggling
40:58I open
41:00counter bergerak
41:00in my kawasan
41:01every week
41:02and every week
41:03there are people
41:04who say that
41:05oh
41:05YB
41:06we cannot pay
41:06our bills
41:07YB
41:07I cannot buy
41:08pampers for my kids
41:09YB
41:10I don't have
41:10rice at my house
41:12every week
41:12there are people
41:13saying this
41:13already gaji kita
41:15very low
41:15so you do this
41:16it's like
41:17meningkatkan lagi
41:18bebanan rakyat
41:19and then the insult
41:21was when
41:22PM said
41:22oh
41:22kalau nak makan
41:23evokan 2
41:23bayar lah
41:24lebih sikit
41:25bukannya
41:26you naikkan
41:26harga
41:27avokan
41:27it's so
41:28out of touch
41:28macam mana
41:29PM
41:29yang
41:30kononnya
41:31dulu
41:31Menteri
41:32Kewangan
41:32Terbaik
41:32Asia
41:33boleh give
41:33such an
41:34out of touch
41:34comment
41:35lepas tu
41:35oh takpe
41:36kita dah dengar
41:37suara rakyat
41:38kita akan
41:38exam
41:39apples
41:40and oranges
41:41first and foremost
41:43daripada awal
41:44masa you buat tu
41:44you tak buat
41:45research ke
41:45apa yang orang
41:46guna
41:47nama tu
41:48bukan apple
41:49dengan orange
41:49hello
41:50there are so
41:51many other things
41:51inside that
41:52that will
41:52bring effect
41:53to the people
41:54I had
41:55meet and greet
41:57with
41:57my
41:58peniaga-peniaga
41:59pasar pagi
42:00and they all
42:02complained
42:02because at the end of the day
42:04bila rakyat tak ada
42:05kuasa membeli
42:06peniaga-peniaga kecil ni
42:07that will be
42:08highly affected
42:09that will be the
42:10worst affected
42:10and these are not
42:11peniaga-peniaga
42:12tokan-tokan besar
42:13maha kaya
42:14that PM
42:15suka guna
42:15but these are
42:16small
42:16vendors
42:17small
42:18local
42:19hawkers
42:19how are they
42:21going to survive
42:22in this economy
42:22susah-susah
42:23untuk mereka
42:24survive
42:24again
42:25we do not
42:26call for
42:27taxes to be
42:27removed
42:29we want
42:30government to
42:30introduce tax
42:32that is fair
42:33especially
42:34to the B40
42:35and M40
42:36people
42:36and again
42:38another thing
42:39that I want to
42:39stress here
42:40siapa
42:41maha kaya
42:41yang
42:42Anak Ibrahim
42:44selalu sebut
42:44Anak Ibrahim
42:45kata
42:45takpe ni
42:45hanyalah
42:46aku ada
42:46golongan
42:46maha kaya
42:47sampai sekarang
42:48kita tak ada
42:49definisi
42:49golongan
42:50maha kaya
42:50tu siapa
42:51do you think
42:51okay
42:52this might be
42:53running away a bit
42:54but do you think
42:55there needs to be
42:55like a refresh
42:57what do you call
43:00that word
43:00macam a definition
43:01or
43:01kategoris
43:02of T20
43:04M40
43:05B40
43:05like a refresh
43:06one with the
43:06current global scale
43:07yeah definitely
43:08I mean
43:09before Rafi Z Ramli
43:10resigned from his
43:11position
43:11dia bagi
43:13a new
43:15definition
43:15to
43:16T20
43:17M40
43:18and B40
43:18but
43:19he was
43:20doing it
43:20in silo
43:21the definition
43:22that he provided
43:23was not supported
43:23by the
43:24Prime Minister
43:25oh okay
43:25and so
43:26what is
43:27going on
43:28within
43:29that cabinet
43:30I also
43:30don't understand
43:31there's definitely
43:33need to be
43:33a refresh
43:35because
43:36I read
43:37recently
43:37that
43:38T1
43:38are those
43:40who
43:40whose income
43:42is RM13,000
43:43and above
43:44and
43:45it's so sad
43:48to think
43:48that RM13,000
43:49and above
43:50is the top
43:501%
43:51in Malaysia
43:51it's even sadder
43:53to imagine
43:53that
43:54there are
43:5580%
43:56of Malaysia
43:57or not 80%
43:5799%
43:59of Malaysians
44:00are living
44:01below RM13,000
44:02a month
44:02I mean
44:03I
44:04was raised
44:05in Kawasan Setenggan
44:06okay
44:06and
44:07when I was
44:08growing up
44:08it was already
44:09difficult
44:09right
44:10the people
44:11around me
44:11is already
44:12struggling
44:13to make
44:13ends meet
44:13okay
44:14and this
44:15is Kawasan Setenggan
44:16in the middle
44:16of bandar
44:17so you cannot
44:18say
44:18oh you cocok lah
44:19you bercocok tanam
44:20kalau you nak
44:21survive
44:21there's no
44:22no such thing
44:23we aren't able
44:24yeah we aren't able
44:25to do that
44:26lepas tu nanti
44:26ada orang kata
44:27oh buatlah
44:28hydroponik
44:28you rasa orang tu
44:29dia tak boleh
44:30nak beli pun
44:31makanan untuk
44:31hari esok
44:32dia boleh ke
44:32buat hydroponik
44:33kat rumah
44:33you know
44:34like
44:34this kind of
44:36orang kata
44:39out of touch
44:39comments lah
44:40yang buat orang
44:40sangat marah
44:41yes
44:42yes
44:42I under
44:43I understand
44:44I understand
44:46no it's just
44:47like one thing
44:47semalam
44:48they were talking
44:48about gaji
44:49gaji minimum
44:52naik
44:53bukan gaji minimum
44:53like gaji
44:54progressive
44:55something
44:55I think
44:56no I can't remember
44:56the exact word
44:57but it was like
44:583,700
44:59or something
45:00there was gaji
45:00GLC
45:01and GLIC
45:02oh okay
45:03gaji pekerja-pekerja
45:04153,000
45:08if I'm not mistaken
45:09Ami Hamzah
45:10made that announcement
45:11yes
45:11if I'm not mistaken
45:13153,000
45:14of pekerja
45:15GLC
45:16dan GLIC
45:17menerima gaji
45:173,700
45:20yeah
45:203,700
45:21above
45:213,000
45:22and above
45:23and that is
45:24something that is
45:24commendable
45:25but 153,000
45:26is nowhere
45:28near the
45:28amount of
45:29population
45:29of Malaysia
45:30I think people
45:30like
45:31always forget
45:31that you know
45:32yeah you work
45:33in the GLC
45:35GLIC
45:35you work in
45:36the public
45:37private sector
45:39and it sounds
45:40so fancy
45:41and banyak duit
45:42padahal they are
45:43like
45:43yeah
45:44yeah
45:45and it's
45:46and the
45:47KWSP report
45:48EPF report
45:49says that
45:49for a single
45:50person
45:51yeah
45:51to live dignifiedly
45:53in Malaysia
45:53in Kuala Lumpur
45:54yeah
45:54they need to earn
45:562,700 ringgit
45:57per month
45:58yeah
45:58to pay off
45:59their rent
46:00to pay off
46:00or to pay off
46:02their transport
46:02to commute
46:03to makan
46:04this is a single
46:05person
46:06yeah
46:06so kalau orang tu
46:07ada keluarga
46:082,700 is not enough
46:10yeah
46:10so again
46:11it is
46:12commendable
46:13that there's
46:14153,000
46:15GLC and GLIC
46:16people who get
46:173,000 and above
46:18but trust me
46:19with the living cost
46:20in Kuala Lumpur
46:21that is nowhere
46:22near enough
46:22yeah
46:23you know that's
46:24interesting
46:24because I just
46:25want to touch
46:25on something
46:26birth rates
46:28birth rates
46:30are dropping
46:30right
46:30and
46:31we don't
46:32have to
46:32talk about
46:32Korea and
46:32Japan
46:33that's like
46:33out of
46:34we're out
46:35I think
46:36our country
46:37is 1.8%
46:38yes
46:38yes about that
46:40and a lot
46:41of people
46:41are saying
46:421.8 per woman
46:42sorry
46:43oh my god
46:431.8 child
46:44per woman
46:45on average
46:46like I've been
46:47I've been covering
46:48a lot of
46:48about birth rates
46:49for the past
46:4910 years
46:50for the past
46:5110 years
46:51aging
46:53aging nation
46:54blah blah blah
46:54semula
46:55and it comes
46:57down back
46:57to the fact
46:58that you know
46:59orang nak ada
47:00nak pun
47:00susah
47:02sometimes on top
47:02of
47:03tak payahlah
47:04cakap infertility
47:05semua
47:05but to have
47:07more than
47:07one or two
47:09is very
47:10very very
47:10difficult
47:11so macam
47:12like
47:14what's the
47:15vision there
47:16what's your
47:17take there
47:17most of my
47:18friends
47:19my age
47:19who are married
47:21they do not
47:22want to have
47:23kids more
47:23than two
47:24because
47:24even having
47:25one is a
47:26struggle
47:26especially
47:27when most
47:28of our
47:28generation
47:29lives in
47:29KL
47:29I mean
47:31this is
47:31where you
47:32want to
47:32get good
47:32gaji
47:33so most
47:34of them
47:34live here
47:34you know
47:36I've been
47:37invited
47:37I was
47:38invited
47:38to Qatar
47:39last year
47:41to speak
47:42about
47:43fertility
47:44and birth
47:45rate issues
47:45and on
47:47the panel
47:47with me
47:48were people
47:49from the
47:49African nations
47:50there were
47:50some panelists
47:51from the
47:51African nations
47:52I think
47:52it was from
47:53Zimbabwe
47:54because African
47:55nations have
47:55the best
47:56fertility rate
47:58and there was
47:59also somebody
47:59from Korea
48:00because they
48:02have the
48:03words
48:03and we
48:05were debating
48:06whether or
48:07not financial
48:07incentives
48:08or cultural
48:10shift
48:11is more
48:12important
48:12when you
48:12talk about
48:13birth rate
48:14I am of
48:16the opinion
48:16and I'm a
48:17strong advocate
48:18for this
48:18that of
48:19course you
48:19can talk
48:20about
48:20culture
48:20shift
48:20but
48:21even if
48:22the culture
48:23shifted
48:23back to
48:24the place
48:25to the
48:25days where
48:26orang beranak
48:277, 8, 10
48:28anak
48:28even if the
48:29culture shifted
48:29there
48:30but if there's
48:31no financial
48:31support
48:32for the
48:34parents
48:34to have
48:35more than
48:35one or
48:36two children
48:36we will not
48:37be able
48:38to
48:38do that
48:40because at
48:41the end of
48:41the day
48:41we're not
48:43just talking
48:44about
48:44makan, minum,
48:46baby,
48:46baru lahir
48:47because
48:48the cost
48:48is about
48:48okay
48:49lepas tu
48:49dia nak
48:49pergi
48:50sekolah
48:51dia nak
48:52pergi
48:52kerja
48:52and that's
48:52why a lot
48:53of
48:53working
48:55women
48:55have to
48:56make
48:56the
48:56sacrifices
48:57of
48:57resigning
48:57from
48:58their
48:58job
48:58because
48:59it is
48:59much
48:59cheaper
49:00for her
49:00to stay
49:01at home
49:01and do
49:02everything
49:02rather than
49:05dual
49:05income
49:05dalam
49:06family
49:06so it
49:07doesn't
49:07I think
49:08this is
49:09something
49:09that we
49:09really
49:09need to
49:10review
49:11our
49:11childcare
49:12we've
49:13been
49:14advocating
49:14for this
49:14Muda
49:15has been
49:15advocating
49:15for this
49:16multiple
49:16times
49:17to have
49:17free
49:17childcare
49:18and
49:19to
49:20have
49:21a
49:21huge
49:22subsidy
49:22for
49:24kindergartens
49:25because
49:26research
49:27shown that
49:28most
49:28Malaysians
49:28don't go
49:29to
49:29kindergartens
49:30we
49:30thought
49:31that they
49:31do
49:31but
49:32they
49:32don't
49:32so a
49:33lot
49:33of
49:33people
49:33bila
49:33they
49:34masuk
49:34je
49:34dah
49:34satu
49:34they
49:35can't
49:35read
49:35they can't
49:36read
49:36they can't
49:37write
49:37they can't
49:37count
49:38because
49:38they don't
49:39have
49:39the
49:39pre
49:40primary school
49:41education
49:42sebab
49:42dia tak
49:43mampu
49:44nak hantar
49:44anak pergi
49:45kindergarten
49:45of course
49:46ada
49:46kindergarten
49:47yang murah
49:47macam
49:48Tabika Kemas
49:48I am
49:49a
49:50benefactor
49:50of
49:50Tabika Kemas
49:51because
49:52I
49:52was
49:53eligible
49:53to
49:53go to
49:53Tabika Kemas
49:54when I was
49:54younger
49:55but
49:55it was
49:56not
49:56everywhere
49:57and
49:57you
49:57can't
49:57tampung
49:58all
49:59people
49:59right
49:59so
50:00tadika
50:00tadika
50:01is
50:01very
50:01expensive
50:02and
50:02you know
50:03it's
50:04very
50:04difficult
50:04for our
50:05generation
50:05especially
50:06kita kan
50:06millennials
50:07it's very
50:08difficult
50:09because
50:09we are
50:09the
50:10sandwich
50:10generation
50:11kita kena
50:12jaga
50:13parents
50:14and then
50:16we have to
50:17take care
50:17of our
50:18children
50:18so
50:19jangan
50:19cakap
50:19orang biasa
50:20saya
50:21sebagai
50:22ahli wakil
50:23rakyat
50:23YB
50:24orang rasa
50:24YB
50:25ni gajinya
50:26besar
50:26orang rasa
50:28gaji
50:29YB
50:29ni besar
50:29saya sendiri
50:30pun
50:31ada
50:31uncertainty
50:32of
50:32whether
50:33or not
50:33i'll be
50:33able
50:34to
50:34provide
50:35my
50:36kids
50:36my
50:36future
50:36kids
50:37with
50:38a
50:38stable
50:38living
50:39in
50:40this
50:40economy
50:41oh my
50:43god
50:43that's
50:43so
50:43scary
50:43scary
50:45but
50:45i feel
50:46that
50:47we
50:48have
50:49to
50:49take
50:50examples
50:50from
50:51countries
50:51we have
50:51successfully
50:52maintained
50:54their
50:54good birth
50:55rates
50:55like the
50:55African
50:56nations
50:56for
50:56example
50:57but
50:57again
50:57but
50:59what
50:59did
50:59you
50:59learn
50:59from
50:59the
51:00African
51:00nations
51:00when
51:01you
51:01were
51:01on
51:01the
51:01panel
51:02what
51:03was
51:03the
51:03difference
51:04there's
51:04a lot
51:04of
51:04pros
51:05and
51:05cons
51:05again
51:06of
51:07course
51:07from
51:08the
51:08African
51:10nations
51:10some
51:10of
51:11their
51:11because
51:13again
51:14it's
51:14cultural
51:14for
51:15them
51:16culturally
51:17having
51:18big
51:19family
51:19is a
51:20show
51:20of
51:20strength
51:21right
51:21so
51:22that's
51:22why
51:22for
51:22them
51:22more
51:23importantly
51:23than
51:23financial
51:24incentives
51:24is
51:24about
51:25the
51:25cultural
51:26shift
51:26so
51:27for
51:27them
51:27it's
51:27a
51:27show
51:28of
51:28strength
51:28and
51:29they
51:30always
51:30mention
51:30about
51:31oh
51:31it
51:32to raise
51:32a child
51:32and
51:33that
51:33village
51:34whether you
51:34like it
51:35or not
51:35that village
51:36has to be
51:36the government
51:37the government
51:38has to give
51:38a proper support
51:39for a woman
51:40to give birth
51:41for a young couple
51:42to have children
51:43for us
51:45contohnya
51:45good elderly care
51:46for example
51:47if we can
51:48afford good elderly care
51:50for our parents
51:51bukanlah
51:52macam orang nanti
51:52kata kan
51:53oh
51:53why biar Mira ni
51:54nak
51:54but there are nations
51:57there are countries
51:58who have like
51:59you know
51:59really good
52:00if you
52:03if you watch
52:04American movies
52:04there's like
52:05retirement
52:05dia macam
52:06tempat
52:07tempat
52:07activity
52:07for the parents
52:09where you have
52:09nurses
52:10you have
52:10activities
52:11you have
52:12exercises
52:13I think like
52:14I've been reporting
52:15for the past
52:15like 15 years
52:16pasal
52:17elderly
52:19care
52:20maksudnya macam
52:20macam child care
52:21yeah
52:21tapi
52:22they're
52:22elderly
52:23so they go
52:24and play games
52:25and it's actually
52:28a lot safer
52:29for these elderly parents
52:31because you have
52:33the proper care
52:33especially kalau parents
52:35tu ada sakit
52:36apa-apa
52:36you pergi tempat
52:36yang ada properness
52:38ada proper facilities
52:39in comparison
52:40to duduk rumah
52:41dengan anak perempuan
52:43you sorang
52:43yang anak perempuan
52:45you kena jaga parents
52:46and dia kena jaga
52:46anak kecil
52:47dia berkena-kena-kena
52:47you know like
52:48so it's better
52:49to have this strong
52:50support structure
52:51the issue is
52:52it's so stigmatized
52:54because nursing home
52:56but like
52:59there's no
52:59you know
52:59there's
53:00there's one like
53:01famous one right now
53:02but
53:02nursing home
53:04or parents
53:05old folks home
53:06has become so badly
53:07I feel like
53:08there is not good
53:08maintenance
53:09and not good
53:10so it's because
53:11it's the problem
53:11as opposed to
53:12providing proper
53:13facilities
53:14I think there's a
53:15responsibility on
53:16people like myself
53:19and also those who have
53:20significant influence
53:21to also
53:22break that stigma
53:24towards elderly care
53:25of course
53:27you jangan lah
53:28you tinggalkan
53:29and then you langsung
53:30tak visit
53:31ito memang si tanggang lah kan
53:32I'm not advocating
53:33for that
53:34but
53:35giving proper elderly care
53:37is good
53:39for everyone
53:40again
53:41this stigma also
53:42to the older parents lah
53:44especially I was thinking about
53:45because while I was saying this
53:46I was thinking about my grandma
53:47and I think
53:48and I 100% know
53:49that if we send her
53:50to elderly care
53:51dia akan start
53:52you know
53:55but
53:56but you have to
53:57you have to
53:58convince them
53:59and show
54:00and I agree with you
54:01it has to start
54:02with ensuring
54:02that those places
54:04are safe
54:05are safe
54:05are beautiful
54:06cantik
54:07you know
54:07have proper care
54:08and not run down
54:10and nampak macam penjara
54:12because I've been
54:12to rumah orang tua
54:14yang nampak macam penjara
54:15oh my god
54:15with like grills
54:16oh my god
54:18yeah
54:18so there should be better
54:20there should be better
54:21checks
54:22monitoring
54:23and enforcement
54:24kan
54:25I have a
54:26couple of rumah orang tua
54:28in my constituency
54:30okay
54:30but they are run by
54:32independent NGOs
54:33and I can say that
54:33they are
54:34very very well run
54:36and these elderlies
54:37if you ask them
54:38they do not want to go back
54:39they are happy
54:40they are happy there
54:41because they are kawan
54:42people like minded
54:44same
54:45same pace
54:46kalau dia kata
54:47balik rumah anak
54:47anak selalu tak ada
54:48kerja
54:49so better they duduk sini
54:50so if you make it nice
54:52I think it's
54:54yeah
54:54okay
54:55alright
54:56I think like
54:57we're done with the conversation
54:58I love that
54:59we've been talking about
55:00youth rebellion
55:02and we've been talking about
55:04real stuff here
55:05I hope you enjoy your time here
55:07I really love it
55:08I feel like
55:08macam we managed to cover
55:09a lot of things
55:10yes
55:10so I'm so grateful
55:11and thank you so much
55:12you've been an amazing host
55:14okay alright
55:14thank you so much Amira
55:16thank you
55:16semoga berjaya lagi
55:18in the next
55:18round of things
55:20alright
55:20thank you
55:21I hope you're cleared as well
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